Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
=== - Original Message - From: Max Bowsher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] But setup.exe has operated in the correct way in the past! Why write a new tool, when fixing a bug in the current one would do all that needs to be done? Because the current tool is more complex than it should be, and a new tool can be accurately target. The current tool can then be simplified somewhat (i.e. download only could go away if we had a (non cygwin linked) mirroring tool. Or a variation of this. NB: I'm not saying 'go fix that now'. When (if? ;-) I find time to understand the setup code, I will do this, if no one has beaten me to it. Thanks. Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
=== - Original Message - From: Cliff Hones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now Sam Edge is taking the same path. Good luck. What would happen if someone did produce a version of setup identical to the current, except for the removal of redownload? Would it be adopted? As it stands, I don't know. I've asked everyone to write in and say whether they use the redownload capability. One gets an unfortunate undercurrent from this list that if it wasn't approved by the right people it might be suppressed (and left to circulate on the black market - possibly the worst scenario). Heh, this is open source, there is no black market :}. Realistically, anyone can use anything they want to install, but 'you' the users have a realistic expectation that 'we' the developers will provide a tool, and support that tool. Conversely we expect that anyone wanting assistance with install will use our provided tool. Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
Robert Collins wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED] in gmane.os.cygwin on Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:47:16 +1000: The *redownloading* is a bug, and will get fixed. Okay. Good. The 'I want to mirror non-installed packages by using download' is not. Actually, the re-download fix would go 90% of the way to doing this anyway, since you could just reselect everything you want again and again and it'd eventually have the lot even on a slow link. A 'normal' install - download and install - works fine, no problems. Read my and Christopher Faylor's posts especially [EMAIL PROTECTED] where we explain where for some people download and install with the current version of setup.exe does not work fine. Even a single package such as the XFree86-fnts one can be a trial on dial-up connections, taking the best part of an hour. A clean minimum install of the Cygwin environment takes about the same, I think. A model that didn't allow multiple download sessions before a single install one would effectively bar many dial-up users from installing Cygwin and/or XFree86 at all. The selective mirroring and local FTP server route would simply be too much hassle for many just to evaluate something. A reference for this is http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2001-11/msg00271.html. Ah. Exactly. :-) So is it worth my while looking at the code with an eye to providing a patch for this (specifically the checkbox option) or is it work in progress elsewhere? -- Sam Edge -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
- Original Message - From: Sam Edge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A 'normal' install - download and install - works fine, no problems. Read my and Christopher Faylor's posts especially [EMAIL PROTECTED] where we explain where for some people download and install with the current version of setup.exe does not work fine. Actually, the current functionality wil do the trick, as long as you install what you have downloaded. Combined with multi-mirror failure, unless you have a *really* bad phone line connection, you should be able to successfully install bit by bit. Notwithstanding that I do understand and (mostly) agree with whats been said though. A reference for this is http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2001-11/msg00271.html. Ah. Exactly. :-) So is it worth my while looking at the code with an eye to providing a patch for this (specifically the checkbox option) or is it work in progress elsewhere? Work is in progress. You (and everyone who's jumped in on this) might like to read Havoc Penningtons recent paper http://www106.pair.com/rhp/free-software-ui.html. What follows is not a critique of your suggestion, just an explanation as to why the checkbox is not appropriate IMO. Before reading the following, be sure to have read Havoc's paper above. We have a problem with setup.exe. * Corrupt package files are not always detected and automatically removed. * That's it. Redownloading is a workaround for that. (If in fact there are -other- reasons for redownloading then I will revise that statement.) Checkbox's, command line options, and 'special case code' and the redownload itself are all kludges around fixing the key problem. And thats why this has become a sudden issue. I *unknowningly* removed a bit of special case code that interfaced between good logic and the redownload capability to make it seem 'correct' to the user. (BTW: Chris, it was NOT your fault. Really.) The real solution is to positively identify corrupt archives and transparently remove them (perhaps asking the user whether we should delete, backup, or skip over the package). Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
Robert Collins wrote in 016301c1ef7b$4d769f00$0200a8c0@lifelesswks in gmane.os.cygwin on Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:42:18 +1000: Actually, the current functionality wil do the trick, as long as you install what you have downloaded. Hmmm. I've just tried using install from Internet with bzip2, sharutils, unzip and zip, on a machine that doesn't have them installed and killing the connection after bzip2 has downloaded. When it says download incomplete, try again I say No and it attempts to do the install. I'm then getting Can't open (null) for reading errors during the attempted installation of sharutils (the sharutils sub-directory has been created but is empty) and a installation incomplete message box at the end but it /has/ installed bzip2. It's pretty ugly but it does seem to be working and if I reselect bzip2 when I try again it isn't attempting to download it again so yes, you could get there even on a slow link. (Not exactly good UI design though!) ;-) (While I'm here; BUG REPORT: When I get the Download incomplete. Retry? Yes/No message box in install from Internet mode and choose No without it then going on to install any packages I then get a final message box with Download incomplete. Retry? Yes/No again but only an OK button.) http://www106.pair.com/rhp/free-software-ui.html. LOL. Yes. I think I can agree with most of this, especially the lack of UI consistency and the problems with debugging over-featured design. Checkbox's, command line options, and 'special case code' and the redownload itself are all kludges around fixing the key problem. I agree. The best solution is to make a bulletproof method of detecting whether the local copies are uncorrupted and to keep the UI uncluttered. But from the general tenor of the discussion at the beginning I was under the impression that there was some philosophical or technical reason why this wasn't appropriate. A manual option would therefore be the next best thing. Sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick. The real solution is to positively identify corrupt archives and transparently remove them (perhaps asking the user whether we should delete, backup, or skip over the package). Yup. Agreed. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis! :-) Can I also suggest adding reget behaviour at some point, if it can be done reliably. Getting nine tenths of the way into a 15MB package when your line goes down is /very/ annoying! ;-( Finally, I stand by my wish to retain a separate download and installation invocation option to allow them to occur while logged on to NT/2k/XP with different permissions, again out of paranoia. Thanks. -- Sam Edge -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 10:42:18PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: Checkbox's, command line options, and 'special case code' and the redownload itself are all kludges around fixing the key problem. That's for sure. The design that I proposed for setup's UI eliminated most of these. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
Daniele wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED] in gmane.os.cygwin on Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:44:25 +0200 (MDT): After dutifully reading the mailing list discussion on the subject, I would like to point out that this behavior - redownloading uninstalled packages - was absent in previous versions of setup. In my humble opinion, the downloaded packages and the installed packages should be treated independently by setup for the simple reason that you may download a set of packages for installing on multiple machines, and install a subset of it on the downloading machine. In other words should be: download from internet: compares repository with packages install from internet: compares repository with installation install from local: comapres packages with installation that is, previous behaviour. Every version of setup.exe I've used exhibits this annoying behaviour but them I'm new here. I agree with Daniele. I install different subsets of the packages on several machines. I also like to keep a copy of the most up-to-date versions of packages that I don't currently use on any of them, in case I need them where I've no (or poor) access to the 'Net. Doing this is something of a headache and requires manual checking in the local package directory (now even more difficult because of its fragmented nature even when mitigated by clean_setup.pl - thanks Michael) and in the setup.exe list. -- Sam Edge -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
-Original Message- From: Sam Edge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 8:17 PM Every version of setup.exe I've used exhibits this annoying behaviour but them I'm new here. I agree with Daniele. I install different subsets of the packages on several machines. I also like to keep a copy of the most up-to-date versions of packages that I don't currently use on any of them, in case I need them where I've no (or poor) access to the 'Net. So use a mirroring tool! Setup.exe is -not- designed for this. If you want a setup.ini parsing mirroring tool, take me up on my offer to help someone leverage the setup.ini codebase to build a mirroring tool. Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
Robert Collins wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED] in gmane.os.cygwin on Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:22:30 +1000: I agree with Daniele. I install different subsets of the packages on several machines. I also like to keep a copy of the most up-to-date versions of packages that I don't currently use on any of them, in case I need them where I've no (or poor) access to the 'Net. So use a mirroring tool! Setup.exe is -not- designed for this. Surely if setup.exe isn't designed with at least a nod to this way of working why does it have download from Internet and install from local directory options, instead of just instisting on connecting to a server every time? If you want a setup.ini parsing mirroring tool, take me up on my offer to help someone leverage the setup.ini codebase to build a mirroring tool. Although I've not looked at it, setup.exe must already have most of the code required to operate in the way we'd like, surely? If you tell me the module name(s) for setup.exe and any documentation about setup.ini and the local and FTP/HTTP server directory structures I'd certainly be interested to download them from the CVS server and take a look. -- Sam Edge -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
-Original Message- From: Sam Edge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 9:32 PM So use a mirroring tool! Setup.exe is -not- designed for this. Surely if setup.exe isn't designed with at least a nod to this way of working why does it have download from Internet and install from local directory options, instead of just instisting on connecting to a server every time? It's designed to allow an off-line mode, as opposed to having spare copies of potentially desired pacakges around. The redownloading behaviour is a result of a kludge to allow deliberate redownloading of packages in 'download only' mode. If we remove that, then packages won't get downloaded again and again and again - but setup will be no more suited to being a mirroring tool. The cache directory is shareable with multiple cygwin installs (say over a SMB share). So yes, there is a nod towards what you do, but that's abou tit. If you want a setup.ini parsing mirroring tool, take me up on my offer to help someone leverage the setup.ini codebase to build a mirroring tool. Although I've not looked at it, setup.exe must already have most of the code required to operate in the way we'd like, surely? It has a significant amount of code, that is getting more flexible and paramterised all the time. If you look at http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin-apps/ you can access the setup.exe developers page. It's a but rough at the moment, but it does have the CVS location amongst other things. If you tell me the module name(s) for setup.exe and any documentation about setup.ini and the local and FTP/HTTP server directory structures I'd certainly be interested to download them from the CVS server and take a look. Setup.ini is documented at http://www.cygwin.com/setup.html. There is no ftp/http data structure - setup.ini determines everything. Setup's multiple setup.ini capability allows for advanced merging and per-organisation tweaking. The differences between setup and a mirroring tool include: * All the install code isn't needed. * Attention to local packages isn't needed. * Persistent selection of packages irrespective of install status should be present. * command line driven may be useful? Anyway, there's some notes, have a look, and we can talk further. Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 09:47:14PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: -Original Message- From: Sam Edge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 9:32 PM So use a mirroring tool! Setup.exe is -not- designed for this. Surely if setup.exe isn't designed with at least a nod to this way of working why does it have download from Internet and install from local directory options, instead of just instisting on connecting to a server every time? It's designed to allow an off-line mode, as opposed to having spare copies of potentially desired pacakges around. The redownloading behaviour is a result of a kludge to allow deliberate redownloading of packages in 'download only' mode. Why is the redownloading a good thing in case of download only mode? If I want to redownload something, I could just remove it and then say to download it again. If we remove that, then packages won't get downloaded again and again and again - but setup will be no more suited to being a mirroring tool. The no more suited to being a mirroring tool really confuses me! How is redownloading good for a mirror tool? The only case I can see to redownload a certain file is when the time of the file has changed (or the size). If it *looks* the same, don't download it again. The only file that really should need that, afaik, is setup.ini, and I think you download that anyway? If you want a setup.ini parsing mirroring tool, take me up on my offer to help someone leverage the setup.ini codebase to build a mirroring tool. Why do you even need to parse setup.ini to be able to mirror something? Using something as wget should work, I just didn't try it yet. Kurt -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
Kurt, you've jumped in half way through a discussion. I've addressed every point you made, as have other people, in various emails in this list over the last few months. Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
-Original Message- From: Sam Edge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 8:17 PM Every version of setup.exe I've used exhibits this annoying behaviour but them I'm new here. I agree with Daniele. I install different subsets of the packages on several machines. I also like to keep a copy of the most up-to-date versions of packages that I don't currently use on any of them, in case I need them where I've no (or poor) access to the 'Net. So use a mirroring tool! Setup.exe is -not- designed for this. If you want a setup.ini parsing mirroring tool, take me up on my offer to help someone leverage the setup.ini codebase to build a mirroring tool. Rob What am I missing in all these posts? Didn't somebody post a while ago that if you set your Local Package Directory to a network share and do Install From Internet, you get all the functionality people are wanting here? Now I admit I've not tried it myself (though I have plenty of reason to do so and should, maybe next week), but what more do people want here? Maybe we should dump the Download option entirely. Seems that all it serves to do is confuse people that should really be looking at rsync. -- Gary R. Van Sickle Brewer. Patriot. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
Gary R. Van Sickle wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED] in gmane.os.cygwin on Sun, 28 Apr 2002 14:12:36 -0500: What am I missing in all these posts? Didn't somebody post a while ago that if you set your Local Package Directory to a network share and do Install From Internet, you get all the functionality people are wanting here? No. You can use the same local package directory to install on multiple machines very nicely. That aspect works fine. The problem is that when you do download from Internet the list tells you what you have installed in c:\cygwin on the machine where you're running setup.exe not what you've previously downloaded to the package directory. Add to this the lack of an option to skip previously downloaded packages when they're manually selected (or auto-selected by the dependency management) and it's a problem if you're using a single local package directory for several different machines that have different package sets installed. On a single machine where you download and immediately install only what'll be used locally it can still be a problem for those on slow, unreliable or time-limited connections. For example, many people in the UK use a 56kbps (or more usually around 45kbps) connection. Many unmetered ISP packages disconnect every two hours to prevent users hogging dial-in capacity they're not using. Downloading even a basic package with all its dependencies can run over this time limit so you can't use the install from Internet option. But when you try to use download from Internet and then re-start setup.exe after re-connecting it doesn't show you the packages you already have. Worse, when you select your package again it auto-selects all the dependencies and tries to download them all again and so will never complete because you'll keep hitting the disconnect timeout. What you have to do is have an Explorer window open looking at the package directory and manually go back and de-select all the ones you've already got after auto-select has added them. This is prone to error, especially if you've not used clean_setup.pl to flatten the structure between each download session. It's also annoying because it should be easy to automate into setup.exe itself. Maybe we should dump the Download option entirely. Seems that all it serves to do is confuse people that should really be looking at rsync. Please, no! Apart from the reason I give above, on my main machine here I always download first in my normal NT user account so I can continue to work while it's going on. I then log in as ADMINISTRATOR to install because I have the Cygwin directory hierarchy protected against write by normal users. That way I'm running with potentially dangerous privileges for as short a time as possible. -- Sam Edge -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
begin rant Robert, you are a saint. I am sick and tired of the whining about setup and downloads. SETUP IS NOT A MIRRORING TOOL. In order to make this clear, I am in favor of completely removing the download-only option, leaving just install-from-internet and install-from-localdir. This will force the whiners to either shut up and use a fscking mirroring tool, or help out: Robert has already said what the correct solution to all this is: create a separate program that leverages the setup.exe codebase, to do multi-source merged mirroring. This will require: 1) Add command-line options for setup.exe. Robert has added a helpful set of examples. He even created a whole new project, GetOpt++, to support this. What more can Robert, all by himself, do? 2) Create a new cygmirror.cc as part of the setup module, that uses some (but not all) of the other classes in the setup module. According to Robert: The differences between setup and a mirroring tool include: * All the install code isn't needed. * Attention to local packages isn't needed. * Persistent selection of packages irrespective of install status should be present. * command line driven may be useful? I'll add one more: reading options (or package lists) from a file. Now, unless somebody who WANTS this functionality actually steps up to the plate and digs in, can we PLEASE stop discussing this issue? Removing the download-only option will also have the salutory effect of forcing the whiners to either: 1) use a REAL mirroring tool, then use setup.exe to install-from-local-dir 1a) heck, you could even use wget; I've posted a script to this mailing list that does exactly that. 2) help out with the coding. Either way, it kills setup download only mode doesn't do what I want What's up with the wacky %%%'ified directory names in my local setup directory Setup sucks threads that NEVER DIE!. --Chuck -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:30:00 -0400 Christopher Faylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 06:07:12PM -0400, Charles Wilson wrote: If you're on the other end of a slow connection and are apt to be disconnected every couple of hours, you will *never* be able to do a complete install since the setup.exe will start from scratch every time you reconnect. It doesn't matter if you chose download from internet or not since setup.exe will only consider what's installed when considering what to download. That just seems like a bug to me. That's what the discussion has been about for the last week or so. After lots of requests for this functionality, the position eventually hardened to it's not a download tool. If I have this right then even removing download from internet does not eliminate this problem. That depends on how capable wget or rsync is. I have not looked into it but if we do remove the download only function from setup.exe, we (me?) should probably add something under cygwin.com describing how to mirror selected packages. So, I think the right answer to this is the standard one patches gratefully accepted. If download handling is going to change, at least Robert will have to buy into it. A request for patches can follow that. -- Mac :}) ** I normally forward private questions to the appropriate mail list. ** Ask Smarter: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Give a hobbit a fish and he eats fish for a day. Give a hobbit a ring and he eats fish for an age. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 04:04:36PM -0700, Michael A Chase wrote: On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:30:00 -0400 Christopher Faylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 06:07:12PM -0400, Charles Wilson wrote: If you're on the other end of a slow connection and are apt to be disconnected every couple of hours, you will *never* be able to do a complete install since the setup.exe will start from scratch every time you reconnect. It doesn't matter if you chose download from internet or not since setup.exe will only consider what's installed when considering what to download. That just seems like a bug to me. That's what the discussion has been about for the last week or so. After lots of requests for this functionality, the position eventually hardened to it's not a download tool. Right. But it started with my suggesting this behavior was a bug and (I thought) Robert agreeing. So, I thought it was time to chime in again. If I have this right then even removing download from internet does not eliminate this problem. That depends on how capable wget or rsync is. I have not looked into it but if we do remove the download only function from setup.exe, we (me?) should probably add something under cygwin.com describing how to mirror selected packages. It's not a question of mirroring. It's a question of setup.exe being completely unusable for some people. We can't say that setup.exe is the only method we'll support but then tell people to use some other method when it fails for them as they try to use it in a perfectly acceptable way. The bottom line is that if we have to tell someone to use wget or rsync just to do a normal install, something is wrong. It seems like this problem would be trivially fixed by not attempting to redownload something that has already been downloaded. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
Hello Larry, I know, that this problem has already been reported (msg01259.html). And i've read your answer to use some mirroring tool (wget) instead before i sent my message to the forum. It seemes to me that you are wrong proposing such solution and it is not the answer to the question. Of course i can download everything by hand - without the SETUP program, but why should i? SETUP knows more about the mirror sites, directory structure, package versions etc. I'm only asking about one small bug in SETUP -- since it doesn't show already downloaded (but NOT installed)files, it's a bit confusing. Alexei Lioubimov - Original Message - From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alexei Lioubimov [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet At 11:08 AM 4/25/2002, Alexei Lioubimov wrote: Hello, I have a problem using setup.exe. Here is the description setup.exe: 2.194.2.24; mode: Download from Inernet; keyword: skip flag; The problem: if i've downloaded some tarballs and didn't install them - then during the following updates the SETUP program doesn't report me about that. It simply marks those files as skip by default and allows me to change this to the current version. But i may have already downloaded the stuff... So i caught myself downloading the same tarballs twice or triple times. If you take into account the slow speed of dial-up connection, that i have, then you can imagine what i'm feeling. The suggestion: may be it's possible force SETUP consider current be downloaded but not installed stuff during Download from Internet process? This has already been reported. If you're interested in the discussion on this subject, please see the email list archives. Larry Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
-Original Message- From: Alexei Lioubimov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) Subject: Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet Hello Larry, I know, that this problem has already been reported (msg01259.html). And i've read your answer to use some mirroring tool (wget) instead before i sent my message to the forum. It seemes to me that you are wrong proposing such solution and it is not the answer to the question. The solution you propose is also less than satisfactory. It means that setup won't be looking at what you need, but rather at what you have 'available'. The real cause of the problem is setup's re-download functionality, which is something I'm seriously considering nuking. Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
Hello Robert, Excuse me, but my English is not so good, and i didn't understand one sentence from your answer: ...which is something I'm seriously considering nuking. What does the word nuking mean? What is the re-download functionality you are speaking about? Alexei Lioubimov - Original Message - From: Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alexei Lioubimov [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: RE: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet -Original Message- From: Alexei Lioubimov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) Subject: Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet Hello Larry, I know, that this problem has already been reported (msg01259.html). And i've read your answer to use some mirroring tool (wget) instead before i sent my message to the forum. It seemes to me that you are wrong proposing such solution and it is not the answer to the question. The solution you propose is also less than satisfactory. It means that setup won't be looking at what you need, but rather at what you have 'available'. The real cause of the problem is setup's re-download functionality, which is something I'm seriously considering nuking. Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
-Original Message- From: Alexei Lioubimov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 12:32 AM To: Robert Collins; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) Subject: Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet Hello Robert, Excuse me, but my English is not so good, and i didn't understand one sentence from your answer: ...which is something I'm seriously considering nuking. What does the word nuking mean? Removing/destroying/eliminating. With a sense of anger/frustration. What is the re-download functionality you are speaking about? When you select 'download from internet', if you select a package that is already cached, it deletes the cached copy and downloads the file again. As it doesn't keep corrupt files, I see no value in this - and it is the reason you see setup downloading stuff again and again. Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: setup 2.194.2.24: Bug (?) in downloading from internet
At 11:08 AM 4/25/2002, Alexei Lioubimov wrote: Hello, I have a problem using setup.exe. Here is the description setup.exe: 2.194.2.24; mode: Download from Inernet; keyword: skip flag; The problem: if i've downloaded some tarballs and didn't install them - then during the following updates the SETUP program doesn't report me about that. It simply marks those files as skip by default and allows me to change this to the current version. But i may have already downloaded the stuff... So i caught myself downloading the same tarballs twice or triple times. If you take into account the slow speed of dial-up connection, that i have, then you can imagine what i'm feeling. The suggestion: may be it's possible force SETUP consider current be downloaded but not installed stuff during Download from Internet process? This has already been reported. If you're interested in the discussion on this subject, please see the email list archives. Larry Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
