Re: Squid use and configuration on cygwin
Kevin Hilton writes: Are there any good guides to getting squid up and running on cygwin. The official squid documentation keeps talking of a Cygwin users guide, however I cant find any link to this guide. Im attempting to setup the squid version that comes with the cygwin distribution. Do I have to create a nobody account? There is no specific guide for setting up squid on cygwin. Just use the official documentation from http://www.squid-cache.org/ Ciao Volker -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Squid use and configuration on cygwin
On 26 December 2007 15:49, Kevin Hilton wrote: The official squid documentation keeps talking of a Cygwin users guide, however I cant find any link to this guide. On 29 December 2007 02:38, Kevin Hilton wrote: So any of you geniuses that pointed me to the Cygwin users guide want to tell me specifically where the squid section is located?? Thanks for no help at all. I asked specifically about squid as it related to cygwin, or perhaps you guys were too busy to show me how smart you were. You have misunderstood what the official squid documentation was talking about when it referred to the cygwin users guide; it was referring to the cygwin users guide, which is the general cygwin operating instructions that you got referred to, and not to any specific cygwin *squid* users guide. Being an ass about it will not resolve the situation, although it might make you feel better. I don't run squid myself, but I took a look at the package listing. Have you read /usr/share/doc/Cygwin/squid-2.6.STABLE17.README and everything in /usr/share/doc/squid-2.6.STABLE17/? Those are the first places to start. cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Squid use and configuration on cygwin
One should not blame the world for one's inability to express one's self. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Korn Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 6:08 AM To: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: RE: Squid use and configuration on cygwin On 26 December 2007 15:49, Kevin Hilton wrote: The official squid documentation keeps talking of a Cygwin users guide, however I cant find any link to this guide. On 29 December 2007 02:38, Kevin Hilton wrote: So any of you geniuses that pointed me to the Cygwin users guide want to tell me specifically where the squid section is located?? Thanks for no help at all. I asked specifically about squid as it related to cygwin, or perhaps you guys were too busy to show me how smart you were. You have misunderstood what the official squid documentation was talking about when it referred to the cygwin users guide; it was referring to the cygwin users guide, which is the general cygwin operating instructions that you got referred to, and not to any specific cygwin *squid* users guide. Being an ass about it will not resolve the situation, although it might make you feel better. I don't run squid myself, but I took a look at the package listing. Have you read /usr/share/doc/Cygwin/squid-2.6.STABLE17.README and everything in /usr/share/doc/squid-2.6.STABLE17/? Those are the first places to start. cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Squid use and configuration on cygwin
Lets see to all you geniuses out there, what part of my original letter did I not clearly express myself: Are there any good guides to getting squid up and running on cygwin. The official squid documentation keeps talking of a Cygwin users guide, however I cant find any link to this guide. Im attempting to setup the squid version that comes with the cygwin distribution. Do I have to create a nobody account? Im still looking for a guide for cygwin. Ive read all the various readme files and still unable to compile from svn. I think in my original post my intention was explicitly clear. When I perform all the instructions as listed here and things do not work: http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/CompilingSquid#head-98bbe5f38d8831a038d52dda1cb901e10eb08373 Where else am I to ask for help?? Obviously not in the cygwin forum. Being an ass about it will not resolve the situation, although it might make you feel better. Thanks for the foul language -- you are a man among men! -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Squid use and configuration on cygwin
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:08:26 +, Dave Korn dave[dot]korn[at]artimi[dot]com wrote: On 26 December 2007 15:49, Kevin Hilton wrote: The official squid documentation keeps talking of a Cygwin users guide, however I cant find any link to this guide. He also wrote: Are there any good guides to getting squid up and running on cygwin. [...] So many questions -- cant seem to find anything more than a few sentences regarding cygwin. And then... Christopher Faylor cgf-use-the-mailinglist-please[at]cygwin[dot]com wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2007 at 04:24:55PM +, Greg Chicares wrote: On 2007-12-26 15:48Z, Kevin Hilton wrote: The official squid documentation keeps talking of a Cygwin users guide, however I cant find any link to this guide. http://www.google.com/search?q=cygwin+users+guide Or, you could go to the Cygwin web site and find User's Guide under Documentation. I know. Pretty astonishing. In response to that... On 29 December 2007 02:38, Kevin Hilton wrote: So any of you geniuses that pointed me to the Cygwin users guide want to tell me specifically where the squid section is located?? Thanks for no help at all. I asked specifically about squid as it related to cygwin, or perhaps you guys were too busy to show me how smart you were. Finally... On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:08:26 +, Dave Korn dave[dot]korn[at]artimi[dot]com wrote (among other things): Being an ass about it will not resolve the situation, although it might make you feel better. Hm... IMO, the anger is wholly justified, considering the provocation: a dismissive response in the first instance, and a sarcastic one in the second. Deciding that someone is a luser (when it is more likely that you have someone who is simply too confused to ask even mediocre questions, much less the right question) and telling him, in effect, to go RTFM doesn't go very far to resolve situations either, although it might make some people feel better-- at the expense of someone else. And throwing epithets there, Dave, most certainly adds much more heat than light to the conversation. Jeff when a man asks you for bread, don't give him a stone H. -- Sorry, my life is still in beta, and nowhere near stable enough for a release. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Squid use and configuration on cygwin
On 29 December 2007 15:48, Kevin Hilton wrote: Lets see to all you geniuses out there, Being an ass about it will not resolve the situation, although it might make you feel better. Thanks for the foul language -- you are a man among men! Oh, grow up. *You* opened with hostility, you got an incredibly minor reprimand in what is in fact *very* mild language, you have absolutely nothing to complain about. You have now made two false assumptions: 1. That the cygwin users guide referred to on the squid site was some document specifically relating to squid on cygwin. 2. That the people who told you where to find the cygwin users guide when you asked where to find the cygwin users guide were maliciously misinterpreting you on purpose. Let's get this straight: you came and asked for something, under a false expectation of what the thing you asked for actually was. When you were given what you asked for, its failure to satisfy your expectation is the result of your false expectation, not some kind of malice or hostility. Storming back into the list and being rude to everyone is not a useful or constructive response. The correct thing to do would have been to say something like Oh, there seems to have been a misunderstanding, I was looking for a document specifically about squid. Not hostility and accusations of smart-assery. Everyone understood from your first post that you were talking about squid, but nobody could have inferred from your request for the user guide anything other than that you wanted the user guide, which is of course of generic use in setting up *any* application on Cygwin. When I perform all the instructions as listed here and things do not work: http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/CompilingSquid#head-98bbe5f38d8831a038d52 dda1cb901e10eb08373 Where else am I to ask for help?? Obviously not in the cygwin forum. Well, nobody here wrote those instructions or is familiar with them, so nobody can immediately tell you what the problem is. We need a better description of the problem than things do not work; I can't see how anyone could figure out what's going wrong from so little information. Im attempting to setup the squid version that comes with the cygwin distribution. Do I have to create a nobody account? If you want to run squid as 'nobody', you'd need to do that. You could create a new NT user, and a matching Cygwin user called 'nobody', and use the windows control panel users and groups to edit the properties and remove it from the Users group (and any others, if present). Then you'd regenerate /etc/passwd and use nobody as the -u option to cygrunsrv. Im still looking for a guide for cygwin. Ive read all the various readme files and still unable to compile from svn. I think in my original post my intention was explicitly clear. In your original post you said you were trying to set up the squid version that comes with the distribution. The cygwin user's guide is relevant information to that task, which is why everyone thought it was what you wanted. If you are now using svn, that's a change from what you originally said and makes your intention even less clear. cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Squid use and configuration on cygwin
On 29 December 2007 15:22, Jeff wrote: Hm... IMO, the anger is wholly justified, considering the provocation: a dismissive response in the first instance, and a sarcastic one in the second. Two wrongs don't make a right, and adding to a problem doesn't make it any better. And throwing epithets there, Dave, most certainly adds much more heat than light to the conversation. Maybe we have a language barrier here; where I come from, telling someone they're being an ass is a really pretty minor admonishment. Please note also that I didn't fail to offer up all the useful information I had on the subject and am continuing to try and actually understand and solve the problem. cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Squid use and configuration on cygwin
On 29 December 2007 16:35, Dave Korn wrote: On 29 December 2007 15:48, Kevin Hilton wrote: Im attempting to setup the squid version that comes with the cygwin distribution. Do I have to create a nobody account? If you want to run squid as 'nobody', you'd need to do that. Ah, here's a thread from the mailing list where somebody did just that; it turns out they needed to create an empty group for the nobody user to be a member of. Make sure to read all three posts: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2007-11/msg00437.html cheers, DaveK -- Can't think of a witty .sigline today -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Squid use and configuration on cygwin
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:45:01 +, Dave Korn dave[dot]korn[at]artimi[dot]com wrote: On 29 December 2007 15:22, Jeff wrote: Hm... IMO, the anger is wholly justified, considering the provocation: a dismissive response in the first instance, and a sarcastic one in the second. Two wrongs don't make a right, and adding to a problem doesn't make it any better. No, but it /is/ very *human*, isn't it?: misunderstandings happen, someone gets annoyed, fingers of blame get pointed, people get defensive, the original issue gets buried, and feelings escalate. My mentor often used to quip that language is the poorest means of communication ever invented by humans; email, which strips out all modes of non-verbal communication (you don't even have the subtle cues present in a hand-written letter), is that much worse. Two wrongs definitely don't make a right but, once all the participants accept that they own some part of the misunderstanding, it is possible to move past blamestorming-- the discussion concerning who 'should' or 'should not' do or have done what-- and on to problem solving. And throwing epithets there, Dave, most certainly adds much more heat than light to the conversation. Maybe we have a language barrier here; where I come from, telling someone they're being an ass is a really pretty minor admonishment. Yes, it's mild compared to other nouns and adjetives one could use to describe someone and their ancestry, but... Where I come from-- assertiveness training classes (among other experiences and other types of training)-- I have seen just how naturally and quickly 'you' statements (YOU are doing this, that, the other) put people on the defensive. Name calling (don't be a...) and comments like Oh, grow up!, generated as they usually are out of frustration and irritation, are even more likely to put someone on the defensive and increase the emotional content of a conversation. The wetware of the human brain is far more complex than the latest and greatest CPU, and HumanOS is a tricky thing, based as it is upon individual experience in the context of a society. However, there is some pretty good documentation out there... :D Please note also that I didn't fail to offer up all the useful information I had on the subject and am continuing to try and actually understand and solve the problem. Oh, I did, although perhaps a bit obscurely, by adding that among other things comment to that last attribution line. It is an unfortunate fact of human nature that someone who has not had training in dealing with these sorts of misunderstandings will focus on the emotional component (Don't be an ass!) and consequently be blinded to the rest. It is a hard truth that I've had to learn in my own life that, when confronted with my anger, other people can hear /only/ the anger, and not what I am saying. Please do not think I am singling you out, Dave. IMO it is because these concepts are missing that the conversation is proceeding as it is. Though my comments are severely off topic to the list, I'm hoping that they may help, and influence the participants to step back for a moment of reflection. Jeff -- Sorry, my life is still in beta, and nowhere near stable enough for a release. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Squid use and configuration on cygwin
Someone has emailed me telling me their is no specific documentation relating to squid and cygwin -- other than the generic user's guide. My original intention was not to start a mailing list war among users, only discover how to compile, setup, and use the a cygwin squid server. Thanks for any helpful input. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Squid use and configuration on cygwin
On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 01:55:50PM -0600, Kevin Hilton wrote: Someone has emailed me telling me their is no specific documentation relating to squid and cygwin -- other than the generic user's guide. There is a Cygwin Users Guide. It is intended to tell you how to run Cygwin. The Cygwin Users Guide is what is unambiguously referred to in the squid wiki/FAQ. The documentation for any specific package will be included in the package itself. As has already been mentioned, the documentation for squid is in usr/share/doc/squid-2.6.STABLE17 and Cygwin notes are in usr/share/doc/Cygwin/squid-2.6.STABLE17.README. My original intention was not to start a mailing list war among users, only discover how to compile, setup, and use the a cygwin squid server. I don't think it is clear to anyone why you are compiling squid when there is already a binary available for installation. However, build instructions are included in usr/share/doc/Cygwin/squid-2.6.STABLE17.README. Since you apparently can't build the package even given the above instructions, I'd suggest sticking with the binary package rather than trying to build your own. If that doesn't work for some reason then I'd also suggest patiently waiting until after the holidays for potential help for the new squid mainatiner. Oh, and also, even though I suspect that this will fall on angrily deaf ears at this point, you might also want to read http://cygwin.com/problems.html paying particular attentions to the first four paragraphs at that page. My reason for suggesting this is that your initial question misled a few of us as to what you were asking for and your subsequent messages aren't providing many more details. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Squid use and configuration on cygwin
So any of you geniuses that pointed me to the Cygwin users guide want to tell me specifically where the squid section is located?? Thanks for no help at all. I asked specifically about squid as it related to cygwin, or perhaps you guys were too busy to show me how smart you were. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Squid use and configuration on cygwin
Are there any good guides to getting squid up and running on cygwin. The official squid documentation keeps talking of a Cygwin users guide, however I cant find any link to this guide. Im attempting to setup the squid version that comes with the cygwin distribution. Do I have to create a nobody account? So many questions -- cant seem to find anything more than a few sentences regarding cygwin. -- Kevin Hilton -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Squid use and configuration on cygwin
On 2007-12-26 15:48Z, Kevin Hilton wrote: The official squid documentation keeps talking of a Cygwin users guide, however I cant find any link to this guide. http://www.google.com/search?q=cygwin+users+guide -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Squid use and configuration on cygwin
On Wed, Dec 26, 2007 at 04:24:55PM +, Greg Chicares wrote: On 2007-12-26 15:48Z, Kevin Hilton wrote: The official squid documentation keeps talking of a Cygwin users guide, however I cant find any link to this guide. http://www.google.com/search?q=cygwin+users+guide Or, you could go to the Cygwin web site and find User's Guide under Documentation. I know. Pretty astonishing. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
