Re: Where is the manual to manually install cygwin in Windiows 2000
Could you give the CVS commands to get the source of the setup? I am thinking this is the only way I can do what this post is asking. At least that is my understanding. Thanks. -- George Hester _ Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... At 07:36 AM 4/19/2002, misi misi wrote: Hallo, from where can the source of setup be downloaded? CVS is no choice, because of a firewall. No, CVS is it. Is there a possibility to start setup.exe in batchmodus, so cygwin could be installed an a lot of machines remotly? I refer you to: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2002-04/msg01008.html Larry Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Where is the manual to manually install cygwin in Windiows 2000
http://cygwin.com/cvs.html Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Where is the manual to manually install cygwin in Windiows 2000
Thanks Robert. I went there. But it looks as though I have to have Cygwin installed to do this. Let me give you an example: On this page: http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/plugin.htm you will see an example how to get files using CVS. That worked just fine for me. But on this page: http://cygwin.com/cvs.html the directions say this: Once you've done that, you need to tell your local cvs software what password to use. The password is the word anoncvs : bash$ cvs login. As you can see there is a bash shell running. Will I get into a bash shell automatically upon connecting through CVS or do I need Cygwin installed first? -- George Hester _ Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... http://cygwin.com/cvs.html Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Where is the manual to manually install cygwin in Windiows 2000
At 02:02 PM 4/20/2002, George Hester wrote: Thanks Robert. I went there. But it looks as though I have to have Cygwin installed to do this. Let me give you an example: On this page: http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/plugin.htm you will see an example how to get files using CVS. That worked just fine for me. But on this page: http://cygwin.com/cvs.html the directions say this: Once you've done that, you need to tell your local cvs software what password to use. The password is the word anoncvs : bash$ cvs login. As you can see there is a bash shell running. Will I get into a bash shell automatically upon connecting through CVS or do I need Cygwin installed first? No. This is simply an example using the cvs software that comes with Cygwin. Use this as a guide to what you should do to login to Cygwin's CVS using whatever local cvs software you have. Don't take it literally. Larry Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Where is the manual to manually install cygwin in Windiows 2000
George, What I see is that both pages instruct the user to do a cvs login and that's to be expected, since that part of CVS. You don't need to use the Cygwin port of CVS to retrieve file from the cygwin.com CVS server. You can use a Windows native CVS command line or something like WinCVS or jCVS. If you run a Cygwin CVS from a non-Cygwin shell (BASH, ash, tcsh), it will try to create and read the .cvspass file in the directory named by the value of the HOME environment variable, so if you try this, make sure that variable is set. I imagine that a Windows native port of the CVS command-line client will the do the same or something very similar. After all, Windows users have home directories, too. GUI CVS clients probably have their own configuration files or registry entries for storing this sort of information. Otherwise, CVS is CVS. The interaction between the client and the server is specified by a protocol, and it doesn't matter which client or server you use, as long as they both properly implement that protocol. It might help you to know that there is no session created by a CVS login command. That command simply prompts for and verifies the password with the server and then records it (if it's the command line CVS, it does as as I mention above and puts a mildly obscured version of the password into $HOME/.cvspass). Then each subsequent command directed at the same CVS server uses the password that was recorded in the .cvspass file. The CVS command line tool does not start an interactive sub-shell. To my knowledge, the only time it launches other processes is to create an editor for composing check-in or update commentaries. Good luck. Randall Schulz Mountain View, CA USA At 11:02 2002-04-20, you wrote: Thanks Robert. I went there. But it looks as though I have to have Cygwin installed to do this. Let me give you an example: On this page: http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/plugin.htm you will see an example how to get files using CVS. That worked just fine for me. But on this page: http://cygwin.com/cvs.html the directions say this: Once you've done that, you need to tell your local cvs software what password to use. The password is the word anoncvs : bash$ cvs login. As you can see there is a bash shell running. Will I get into a bash shell automatically upon connecting through CVS or do I need Cygwin installed first? -- George Hester _ Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... http://cygwin.com/cvs.html Rob -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Where is the manual to manually install cygwin in Windiows 2000
Hallo, from where can the source of setup be downloaded? CVS is no choice, because of a firewall. Is there a possibility to start setup.exe in batchmodus, so cygwin could be installed an a lot of machines remotly? Regards __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Where is the manual to manually install Cygwin in Windiows 2000
At 09:45 PM 4/18/2002, Michael A Chase wrote: From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: George Hester [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 18:09 Subject: Re: Where is the manual to manually install Cygwin in Windiows 2000 At 10:25 AM 4/18/2002, George Hester wrote: The last time I tried the installer I did not like the result. So now I have downloaded all the packages I need evne the docs. But I see nothing about how to install this manually; what environment variables I should set. Nothing at all. All I see is telling me to use the installer. If I do not want to do this does that mean I cannot install Cygwin in Windows 2000? Thanks. What didn't you like? It may have been fixed or you might not understand the implications of some of your choices. OK. I guess you just somehow missed this: http://www.cygwin.com/download.html That explains your options. Installing by a method other that setup is not really supported by this list however. BTW, there are no *required* settings beyond unpacking the software. But if you want any of the additions that setup gives you, that's another argument for just using setup. Of course, the source for setup is available if you'd just prefer to look at it to find out what it does. But you're right. There is no documentation that guides you through a manual install of Cygwin. It's assumed that if you don't use setup, you understand enough about what you're doing to just do it. Either that or you're the adventurous type. ;-) Really, there's really no *magic* to setup though... There are some mount points that _must_ be created for Cygwin to work reliable I quite disagree with this point. If it were true, it would be impossible to move a Cygwin executable and the DLL to a machine without a Cygwin install and have it work. This does work in the general case, though there are specific packages for which it won't without additional configuration (like the mount points you mentioned, mount type, environment variable settings, etc). But those are limited exceptions to the rule. and many packages have postinstall scripts that should be run. Which can still be run manually if the user chooses. Setup automates the running of these but there is still nothing magical about them. Setup.exe will take care of them for you. Without it you are on your own. I'm only mentioning these as a caution against what you seem to insist on doing. Don't expect any support if you go against all advice. I fully agree with this. The above comments I made are really nits since I want to dispel the myth that setup does things that can't be done manually. Anyone really interested in installing manually can always look at what setup does and perform the same steps. My impression is that people looking to install manually are looking for a scriptable setup, of which there is already a start (thanks Rob). I'd recommend anyone who plans to put any time into creating their own automated installation to seriously consider adding to the capabilities of setup in this area. You'll leverage allot of work, make things easier for yourself and others, and gain something that is maintainable over time. Just my $.02. Larry Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Where is the manual to manually install cygwin in Windiows 2000
At 07:36 AM 4/19/2002, misi misi wrote: Hallo, from where can the source of setup be downloaded? CVS is no choice, because of a firewall. No, CVS is it. Is there a possibility to start setup.exe in batchmodus, so cygwin could be installed an a lot of machines remotly? I refer you to: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2002-04/msg01008.html Larry Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Where is the manual to manually install Cygwin in Windiows 2000
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:23:56 -0400 Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:45 PM 4/18/2002, Michael A Chase wrote: From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: George Hester [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 18:09 Subject: Re: Where is the manual to manually install Cygwin in Windiows 2000 Really, there's really no *magic* to setup though... There are some mount points that _must_ be created for Cygwin to work reliable I quite disagree with this point. If it were true, it would be impossible to move a Cygwin executable and the DLL to a machine without a Cygwin install and have it work. This does work in the general case, though there are specific packages for which it won't without additional configuration (like the mount points you mentioned, mount type, environment variable settings, etc). But those are limited exceptions to the rule. Those limited exceptions generate a lot of Cygwin is broke messages like when a version of setup failed to create the /usr/bin and /usr/lib mounts a couple months ago. -- Mac :}) ** I normally forward private questions to the appropriate mail list. ** Ask Smarter: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.htm Give a hobbit a fish and he eats fish for a day. Give a hobbit a ring and he eats fish for an age. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Where is the manual to manually install Cygwin in Windiows 2000
At 02:12 PM 4/19/2002, Michael A Chase wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:23:56 -0400 Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:45 PM 4/18/2002, Michael A Chase wrote: From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: George Hester [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 18:09 Subject: Re: Where is the manual to manually install Cygwin in Windiows 2000 Really, there's really no *magic* to setup though... There are some mount points that _must_ be created for Cygwin to work reliable I quite disagree with this point. If it were true, it would be impossible to move a Cygwin executable and the DLL to a machine without a Cygwin install and have it work. This does work in the general case, though there are specific packages for which it won't without additional configuration (like the mount points you mentioned, mount type, environment variable settings, etc). But those are limited exceptions to the rule. Those limited exceptions generate a lot of Cygwin is broke messages like when a version of setup failed to create the /usr/bin and /usr/lib mounts a couple months ago. Exactly. Which is why manual installation processes are a use at your own risk approach. My point is, if you're so inclined, you *can* install Cygwin and any of it's packages manually, without setup. Again, the only reason I mention this is because there have been indications from folks on this list that there is something which setup does that can't be reproduced by any other mechanism. This is just plain false. However, I am in no way encouraging people to use or generate an installation method other than setup. Certainly, if one does so, this list cannot entertain questions about installation problems based on such a procedure. I hope this message and my previous response to this thread clarifies the installation issue for those of all interests. I guess we'll see if that is indeed the case. ;-) Larry Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Where is the manual to manually install Cygwin in Windiows 2000
The last time I tried the installer I did not like the result. So now I have downloaded all the packages I need evne the docs. But I see nothing about how to install this manually; what environment variables I should set. Nothing at all. All I see is telling me to use the installer. If I do not want to do this does that mean I cannot install Cygwin in Windows 2000? Thanks. -- George Hester _ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Where is the manual to manually install Cygwin in Windiows 2000
At 10:25 AM 4/18/2002, George Hester wrote: The last time I tried the installer I did not like the result. So now I have downloaded all the packages I need evne the docs. But I see nothing about how to install this manually; what environment variables I should set. Nothing at all. All I see is telling me to use the installer. If I do not want to do this does that mean I cannot install Cygwin in Windows 2000? Thanks. OK. I guess you just somehow missed this: http://www.cygwin.com/download.html That explains your options. Installing by a method other that setup is not really supported by this list however. BTW, there are no *required* settings beyond unpacking the software. But if you want any of the additions that setup gives you, that's another argument for just using setup. Of course, the source for setup is available if you'd just prefer to look at it to find out what it does. But you're right. There is no documentation that guides you through a manual install of Cygwin. It's assumed that if you don't use setup, you understand enough about what you're doing to just do it. Either that or you're the adventurous type. ;-) Really, there's really no *magic* to setup though... Larry Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 838 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Where is the manual to manually install Cygwin in Windiows 2000
George, I don't know what's not to like about Setup.exe (well, maybe URL-encoded mirror directory names), but you're really bucking the tide and going against the grain in trying to install without Setup.exe. You'll also be told (if this message doesn't forestall it) that this list doesn't cater to problems with installation or problems originating in installation errors for people who don't use the standard installation procedure based on Setup.exe. On the off chance that your poor experience was the result of an earlier, less capable or less fully debugged version of Setup.exe, why don't you tell us when you last used Setup.exe and why it did not live up to your expectations. Randall Schulz Mountain View, CA USA At 07:25 2002-04-18, George Hester wrote: The last time I tried the installer I did not like the result. So now I have downloaded all the packages I need evne the docs. But I see nothing about how to install this manually; what environment variables I should set. Nothing at all. All I see is telling me to use the installer. If I do not want to do this does that mean I cannot install Cygwin in Windows 2000? Thanks. -- George Hester -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Where is the manual to manually install Cygwin in Windiows 2000
From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: George Hester [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 18:09 Subject: Re: Where is the manual to manually install Cygwin in Windiows 2000 At 10:25 AM 4/18/2002, George Hester wrote: The last time I tried the installer I did not like the result. So now I have downloaded all the packages I need evne the docs. But I see nothing about how to install this manually; what environment variables I should set. Nothing at all. All I see is telling me to use the installer. If I do not want to do this does that mean I cannot install Cygwin in Windows 2000? Thanks. What didn't you like? It may have been fixed or you might not understand the implications of some of your choices. OK. I guess you just somehow missed this: http://www.cygwin.com/download.html That explains your options. Installing by a method other that setup is not really supported by this list however. BTW, there are no *required* settings beyond unpacking the software. But if you want any of the additions that setup gives you, that's another argument for just using setup. Of course, the source for setup is available if you'd just prefer to look at it to find out what it does. But you're right. There is no documentation that guides you through a manual install of Cygwin. It's assumed that if you don't use setup, you understand enough about what you're doing to just do it. Either that or you're the adventurous type. ;-) Really, there's really no *magic* to setup though... There are some mount points that _must_ be created for Cygwin to work reliable and many packages have postinstall scripts that should be run. Setup.exe will take care of them for you. Without it you are on your own. I'm only mentioning these as a caution against what you seem to insist on doing. Don't expect any support if you go against all advice. -- Mac :}) ** I normally forward private questions to the appropriate mail list. ** Ask Smarter: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Give a hobbit a fish and he eats fish for a day. Give a hobbit a ring and he eats fish for an age. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
