Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: Remember that using X requires some level of manual intervention, namely that you have to *start* the server and set DISPLAY before actually using it. So installing xorg-server as a dependency isn't going to prevent these questions one bit. Good point. Would adding xinit as a dependency be a better solution? I am hoping that when setup informs the user that gitk requires xinit, it might it at least: 1. Alert the user to the fact that gitk now requires loading the X server. 2. Spare the user having to run setup again to download the packages they need. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
On Fri, 2012-02-24 at 14:43 -0800, Matt Seitz (matseitz) wrote: Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: Nobody that doesn't need or want it has to install the X-Server. If one uses gitk though, one has now moved into the category of need/want the X-Server if one wasn't already in that category. ;-) Well, they certainly will need/want AN X-Server. But I thought Corrina's point was that in some cases that X-Server does not have to be the Cygwin xorg-server (could be a different local X-Server, or even a remote X-Server). My question is: are there enough gitk users who would need/want the Cygwin xorg-server that it would be worth installing xorg-server by default when installing gitk, even though some gitk users may not actually need the Cygwin xorg-server? Remember that using X requires some level of manual intervention, namely that you have to *start* the server and set DISPLAY before actually using it. So installing xorg-server as a dependency isn't going to prevent these questions one bit. Yaakov -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: xorg-server is not specified as a runtime dependency of libX11 or libxcb for several reasons: Should xorg-server be specified as a runtime dependency of gitk? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
On Feb 24 11:26, Matt Seitz (matseitz) wrote: Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: xorg-server is not specified as a runtime dependency of libX11 or libxcb for several reasons: Should xorg-server be specified as a runtime dependency of gitk? The X server is no hard requirement. Consider: $ DISPLAY=my_linux_box:0 gitk Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Feb 24 11:26, Matt Seitz (matseitz) wrote: Should xorg-server be specified as a runtime dependency of gitk? The X server is no hard requirement. Consider: $ DISPLAY=my_linux_box:0 gitk True. But would the benefit (helping new users) outweigh the cost (installing xorg-server for some users that don't actually require it)? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
On 2/24/2012 3:50 PM, Matt Seitz (matseitz) wrote: Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Feb 24 11:26, Matt Seitz (matseitz) wrote: Should xorg-server be specified as a runtime dependency of gitk? The X server is no hard requirement. Consider: $ DISPLAY=my_linux_box:0 gitk True. But would the benefit (helping new users) outweigh the cost (installing xorg-server for some users that don't actually require it)? Nobody that doesn't need or want it has to install the X-Server. If one uses gitk though, one has now moved into the category of need/want the X-Server if one wasn't already in that category. ;-) -- Larry _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: Nobody that doesn't need or want it has to install the X-Server. If one uses gitk though, one has now moved into the category of need/want the X-Server if one wasn't already in that category. ;-) Well, they certainly will need/want AN X-Server. But I thought Corrina's point was that in some cases that X-Server does not have to be the Cygwin xorg-server (could be a different local X-Server, or even a remote X-Server). My question is: are there enough gitk users who would need/want the Cygwin xorg-server that it would be worth installing xorg-server by default when installing gitk, even though some gitk users may not actually need the Cygwin xorg-server? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
On 2/24/2012 5:43 PM, Matt Seitz (matseitz) wrote: Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: Nobody that doesn't need or want it has to install the X-Server. If one uses gitk though, one has now moved into the category of need/want the X-Server if one wasn't already in that category. ;-) Well, they certainly will need/want AN X-Server. But I thought Corrina's point was that in some cases that X-Server does not have to be the Cygwin xorg-server (could be a different local X-Server, or even a remote X-Server). True enough, though I expect for most Cygwin users, this is the exception and not the rule. My question is: are there enough gitk users who would need/want the Cygwin xorg-server that it would be worth installing xorg-server by default when installing gitk, even though some gitk users may not actually need the Cygwin xorg-server? I would be for adding Cygiwn's xorg-server as a dependency for any package that needs an X-Server to be generally useful. -- Larry _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
25.02.2012 9:53, Larry Hall (Cygwin) пишет: On 2/24/2012 5:43 PM, Matt Seitz (matseitz) wrote: My question is: are there enough gitk users who would need/want the Cygwin xorg-server that it would be worth installing xorg-server by default when installing gitk, even though some gitk users may not actually need the Cygwin xorg-server? I would be for adding Cygiwn's xorg-server as a dependency for any package that needs an X-Server to be generally useful. Probably xorg-server could be made a conditional dependency (not sure if cygwin supports these), e.g. triggered by a registry value or env setting, and it could be enabled by default, while some users could configure it to tell the installer that they use some external X-Server? -- Best regards, Mike. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
On 2/24/2012 6:37 PM, Mike Kaganski wrote: 25.02.2012 9:53, Larry Hall (Cygwin) пишет: On 2/24/2012 5:43 PM, Matt Seitz (matseitz) wrote: My question is: are there enough gitk users who would need/want the Cygwin xorg-server that it would be worth installing xorg-server by default when installing gitk, even though some gitk users may not actually need the Cygwin xorg-server? I would be for adding Cygiwn's xorg-server as a dependency for any package that needs an X-Server to be generally useful. Probably xorg-server could be made a conditional dependency (not sure if cygwin supports these), e.g. triggered by a registry value or env setting, and it could be enabled by default, while some users could configure it to tell the installer that they use some external X-Server? setup.exe doesn't support conditional dependencies but for those that would prefer to install/use another X-Server, I'm sure they can figure out how to tell setup.exe not to install Cygwin's X-Server. I'm sure the facility you're talking about could be added to setup.exe if someone were interested in providing patches to enable this though. -- Larry _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Bill Hoffman wrote: (snip) Hi, just discovered this one myself. I am wondering why tcl-tk does not depend on an xserver now? Since you can not run tcl-tk without xorg-server, seems like setup should install it right? Technically, you don't *have to* run xorg-server on your Windows machine. Csaba -- GCS a+ e++ d- C++ ULS$ L+$ !E- W++ P+++$ w++$ tv+ b++ DI D++ 5++ The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers. Life is complex, with real and imaginary parts. Ok, it boots. Which means it must be bug-free and perfect. -- Linus Torvalds People disagree with me. I just ignore them. -- Linus Torvalds -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
On Fri, 2012-02-17 at 23:54 +0100, marco atzeri wrote: probably yes, the current setup.ini requires the X DLL's needed but not the xorg-server Yaakov, could you add it ? xorg-server is not specified as a runtime dependency of libX11 or libxcb for several reasons: * not everything that uses libX11 actually needs an X server all the time (e.g. giflib) or at all (e.g. nas). * the X11 client-server model allows a choice of X servers, of which XWin (while preferred) is only one such implementation, or users may choose a remote connection from another OS (e.g. a Linux box or VM). Therefore, xorg-server (preferably with xinit) is left to the user to select for installation. Yaakov -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
On 2/11/2012 12:40 AM, marco atzeri wrote: On 2/11/2012 12:02 AM, Arnon Moscona wrote: Hi Arnon, because Tk now need the X server. Have you missed ? http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2012-02/msg00011.html See also http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2011-10/msg00083.html for further info Hi, just discovered this one myself. I am wondering why tcl-tk does not depend on an xserver now? Since you can not run tcl-tk without xorg-server, seems like setup should install it right? -Bill -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
On 2/17/2012 11:34 PM, Bill Hoffman wrote: On 2/11/2012 12:40 AM, marco atzeri wrote: On 2/11/2012 12:02 AM, Arnon Moscona wrote: Hi Arnon, because Tk now need the X server. Have you missed ? http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2012-02/msg00011.html See also http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2011-10/msg00083.html for further info Hi, just discovered this one myself. I am wondering why tcl-tk does not depend on an xserver now? Since you can not run tcl-tk without xorg-server, seems like setup should install it right? -Bill probably yes, the current setup.ini requires the X DLL's needed but not the xorg-server @ tcl-tk sdesc: Tcl X11 toolkit ldesc: An X11 toolkit implemented with the Tcl scripting language. category: Interpreters Tcl X11 requires: libfontconfig1 libX11_6 libXft2 libXss1 tcl cygwin Yaakov, could you add it ? Regards Marco -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
I just updated cygwin (installing hg), which updated all the packages. gitk now fails to start. I basically get : $Application initialization failed: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable cygwin warning: MS-DOS style path detected: C:\Users\Admin\cygwin\bin\gitk Preferred POSIX equivalent is: /usr/bin/gitk CYGWIN environment variable option nodosfilewarning turns off this warning. Consult the user's guide for more details about POSIX paths: http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using.html#using-pathnames Error in startup script: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable while executing load /usr/lib/tk8.5/../../bin/libtk8.5.dll Tk (package ifneeded Tk 8.5.11 script) invoked from within package require Tk (file C:\Users\Admin\cygwin\bin\gitk line 11) [1]+ Exit 1 gitk --all Note that I've seen the discussion at http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2011-08/msg00478.html, but I don't agree with the conclusion. I never needed an X server before, and gitk displayed fine up until now. So why should I need to run an X server now? -- Arnon Moscona ar...@moscona.com Sed fugit interea fugit irreparabile tempus, singula dum capti circumvectamur amore -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
Arnon Moscona forwardmosc...@gmail.com wrote in message news:CAN0dh0hhiKyPKizU90upoqSWRcKGvAJmqXcDD=embmda34a...@mail.gmail.com ... I never needed an X server before, and gitk displayed fine up until now. So why should I need to run an X server now? See: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2012-02/msg00115.html -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: gitk fails to start after updating cygwin
On 2/11/2012 12:02 AM, Arnon Moscona wrote: I just updated cygwin (installing hg), which updated all the packages. gitk now fails to start. I basically get : $Application initialization failed: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable cygwin warning: MS-DOS style path detected: C:\Users\Admin\cygwin\bin\gitk Preferred POSIX equivalent is: /usr/bin/gitk CYGWIN environment variable option nodosfilewarning turns off this warning. Consult the user's guide for more details about POSIX paths: http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using.html#using-pathnames Error in startup script: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable while executing load /usr/lib/tk8.5/../../bin/libtk8.5.dll Tk (package ifneeded Tk 8.5.11 script) invoked from within package require Tk (file C:\Users\Admin\cygwin\bin\gitk line 11) [1]+ Exit 1 gitk --all Note that I've seen the discussion at http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2011-08/msg00478.html, but I don't agree with the conclusion. I never needed an X server before, and gitk displayed fine up until now. So why should I need to run an X server now? Hi Arnon, because Tk now need the X server. Have you missed ? http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2012-02/msg00011.html See also http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-apps/2011-10/msg00083.html for further info -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
