Re: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-14 Thread Brian Inglis

On 2021-12-13 23:31, Marco Atzeri wrote:

On 14.12.2021 07:17, Brian Inglis wrote:

On 2021-12-13 16:26, Kutty, Rejeesh wrote:

I uninstalled Beyond Trust with our IT help, rebooted, same behavior.
I then came upon another thread that talks about the compression.
I didn't build it, I just decompressed it and now setup-64bit works 
fine.

For some reason, 32bit doesn't have any of this problem.
If it is not too much of trouble, I would request that you provide an 
uncompressed version too.

The file size is not that bad, It came to be about 5MB only.
Perhaps, suggest in the installation instructions to try in case it 
doesn't launch?


If you have that problem, you have an app in the BLODA.
Are you still running BeyondTrust or another AV?
You need to get Cygwin setup exes using upx bypassed or whitelisted by 
your support or the vendor.



What was the URL of the thread about compression?
Which file did you download about 5MB, from which URL, how did you 
download and decompress it: using which tools, commands, options, and 
what were the before and after sizes?

There appear to be no Cygwin setup files about 5MB:



he means 5MB after decompressing the 1.3Mb setup-x86_64.exe
If I remember right upx is used for setup compression


Why would anyone want or need to do that manually: that implies a badly 
written app in the BLODA interfering with decompression, and that hasn't 
had any mentions as a problem for a couple of years!


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Re: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-13 Thread Marco Atzeri

On 14.12.2021 07:17, Brian Inglis wrote:

On 2021-12-13 16:26, Kutty, Rejeesh wrote:

I uninstalled Beyond Trust with our IT help, rebooted, same behavior.
I then came upon another thread that talks about the compression.
I didn't build it, I just decompressed it and now setup-64bit works fine.
For some reason, 32bit doesn't have any of this problem.
If it is not too much of trouble, I would request that you provide an 
uncompressed version too.

The file size is not that bad, It came to be about 5MB only.
Perhaps, suggest in the installation instructions to try in case it 
doesn't launch?


What was the URL of the thread about compression?
Which file did you download about 5MB, from which URL, how did you 
download and decompress it: using which tools, commands, options, and 
what were the before and after sizes?

There appear to be no Cygwin setup files about 5MB:



he means 5MB after decompressing the 1.3Mb setup-x86_64.exe

If I remember right upx is used for setup compression

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Re: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-13 Thread Brian Inglis

On 2021-12-13 16:26, Kutty, Rejeesh wrote:

I uninstalled Beyond Trust with our IT help, rebooted, same behavior.
I then came upon another thread that talks about the compression.
I didn't build it, I just decompressed it and now setup-64bit works fine.
For some reason, 32bit doesn't have any of this problem.
If it is not too much of trouble, I would request that you provide an 
uncompressed version too.
The file size is not that bad, It came to be about 5MB only.
Perhaps, suggest in the installation instructions to try in case it doesn't 
launch?


What was the URL of the thread about compression?
Which file did you download about 5MB, from which URL, how did you 
download and decompress it: using which tools, commands, options, and 
what were the before and after sizes?

There appear to be no Cygwin setup files about 5MB:

https://cygwin.com/
__

setup-x86.exe  15-Jul-2021 11:591252371
setup-x86.exe.sig  15-Jul-2021 11:59661
setup-x86_64.exe   15-Jul-2021 12:051355283
setup-x86_64.exe.sig   15-Jul-2021 12:05661
sha512.sum 15-Jul-2021 13:37291
key/pubring.asc13-Mar-2020 16:30   3049
__
$ lynx -dump -nolist -nonumbers https://muug.ca/mirror/cygwin/x86/
Index of /mirror/cygwin/x86/
__
../
release/   09-Dec-2021 06:05   -
setup.bz2  13-Dec-2021 05:50 4355068
setup.bz2.sig  13-Dec-2021 05:50 566
setup.ini  13-Dec-2021 05:5018364231
setup.ini.sig  13-Dec-2021 05:50 566
setup.xz   13-Dec-2021 05:50 3387988
setup.xz.sig   13-Dec-2021 05:50 566
setup.zst  13-Dec-2021 05:50 3623348
setup.zst.sig  13-Dec-2021 05:50 661
sha512.sum 13-Dec-2021 06:141278
__
$ lynx -dump -nolist -nonumbers https://muug.ca/mirror/cygwin/x86_64/
Index of /mirror/cygwin/x86_64/
__
../
release/   09-Dec-2021 06:05   -
setup.bz2  13-Dec-2021 05:50 4342309
setup.bz2.sig  13-Dec-2021 05:50 566
setup.ini  13-Dec-2021 05:5018405663
setup.ini.sig  13-Dec-2021 05:50 566
setup.xz   13-Dec-2021 05:51 3378648
setup.xz.sig   13-Dec-2021 05:51 566
setup.zst  13-Dec-2021 05:50 3579442
setup.zst.sig  13-Dec-2021 05:51 661
sha512.sum 13-Dec-2021 06:141278
__

Where possible you should normally download from local and/or official 
Cygwin mirror sites using https with Cygwin utilities such as curl 
-JOR/wget/wget2 -N which avoid or handle inflight compression 
transparently, any available sha512.sum with which you can check the 
integrity of the downloaded files using sha512sum -c, and the Cygwin key 
with which you can check the integrity of the executables and their 
signatures using gpg/gpg2 --verify.



-Original Message-
From: Cygwin  On Behalf Of 
Brian Inglis
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 12:39 AM
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

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On 2021-12-10 13:19, Kutty, Rejeesh wrote:

Renamed that DLL -- same behavior, and same  access violation in WinDbg.
Killed all Beyond Trust Services/Tasks -- same behavior.


You will probably need to restart Windows after any changes in order to unload 
or reload DLLs and associated data.


Does WinDBG still show the DLL loaded?


  > No it didn't, but it reported access violation after RPCRT4.dll.
  > (This is the RPC API, as per google).

Many of these apps have difficulty handling dynamic modification, cleanly 
removing themselves from the call or message chains they insert themselves 
into, transparently passing along arbitrary calls, data, events, or messages, 
especially when application code is multithreaded and reentrant using mutexes 
and waits.

Beyond Trust is on the Cygwin Big List of Dodgy Apps: poorly written (often so-called 
"anti-malware", "anti-virus", or "security") software that monitors, logs, 
blocks, and/or interferes with normal operation of many applications, with effects sometimes 
indistinguishable from malware, and known to prevent Cygwin working properly; see:


https://urldefense.com/

RE: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-13 Thread Kutty, Rejeesh


I uninstalled Beyond Trust with our IT help, rebooted, same behavior.

I then came upon another thread that talks about the compression.
I didn't build it, I just decompressed it and now setup-64bit works fine.
For some reason, 32bit doesn't have any of this problem.

If it is not too much of trouble, I would request that you provide an 
uncompressed version too.
The file size is not that bad, It came to be about 5MB only.

Perhaps,  suggest in the installation instructions to try in case it doesn't 
launch?

Thanks for all your help.


-Original Message-
From: Cygwin  On Behalf Of 
Brian Inglis
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 12:39 AM
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

[External]

On 2021-12-10 13:19, Kutty, Rejeesh wrote:
>>> Renamed that DLL -- same behavior, and same  access violation in WinDbg.
>>> Killed all Beyond Trust Services/Tasks -- same behavior.

You will probably need to restart Windows after any changes in order to unload 
or reload DLLs and associated data.

>> Does WinDBG still show the DLL loaded?

 > No it didn't, but it reported access violation after RPCRT4.dll.
 > (This is the RPC API, as per google).

Many of these apps have difficulty handling dynamic modification, cleanly 
removing themselves from the call or message chains they insert themselves 
into, transparently passing along arbitrary calls, data, events, or messages, 
especially when application code is multithreaded and reentrant using mutexes 
and waits.

Beyond Trust is on the Cygwin Big List of Dodgy Apps: poorly written (often 
so-called "anti-malware", "anti-virus", or "security") software that monitors, 
logs, blocks, and/or interferes with normal operation of many applications, 
with effects sometimes indistinguishable from malware, and known to prevent 
Cygwin working properly; see:


https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://cygwin.com/faq/faq.html*faq.using.bloda__;Iw!!A3Ni8CS0y2Y!uPaRC6ohLqsjqrbgUACGkx243avIO2jUMYZ09x5cgOrHWncL_fmuGb_5k5qPX0GSDDg$
 

Beyond Trust has caused problems because its certs became outdated unless you 
kept the product and its certs updated. Try updating the product and check its 
certs are up to date in the cert store.
If that fails you may need to raise a case with the product vendor regarding 
Cygwin 64; especially useful to mention:


https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.cygwin.com/faq.html*faq.api.fork__;Iw!!A3Ni8CS0y2Y!uPaRC6ohLqsjqrbgUACGkx243avIO2jUMYZ09x5cgOrHWncL_fmuGb_5k5qP00bIrrM$
 

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Re: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-10 Thread Brian Inglis

On 2021-12-10 13:19, Kutty, Rejeesh wrote:

Renamed that DLL -- same behavior, and same  access violation in WinDbg.
Killed all Beyond Trust Services/Tasks -- same behavior.


You will probably need to restart Windows after any changes in order to 
unload or reload DLLs and associated data.



Does WinDBG still show the DLL loaded?


> No it didn't, but it reported access violation after RPCRT4.dll.
> (This is the RPC API, as per google).

Many of these apps have difficulty handling dynamic modification, 
cleanly removing themselves from the call or message chains they insert 
themselves into, transparently passing along arbitrary calls, data, 
events, or messages, especially when application code is multithreaded 
and reentrant using mutexes and waits.


Beyond Trust is on the Cygwin Big List of Dodgy Apps: poorly written 
(often so-called "anti-malware", "anti-virus", or "security") software 
that monitors, logs, blocks, and/or interferes with normal operation of 
many applications, with effects sometimes indistinguishable from 
malware, and known to prevent Cygwin working properly; see:


https://cygwin.com/faq/faq.html#faq.using.bloda

Beyond Trust has caused problems because its certs became outdated 
unless you kept the product and its certs updated. Try updating the 
product and check its certs are up to date in the cert store.
If that fails you may need to raise a case with the product vendor 
regarding Cygwin 64; especially useful to mention:


https://www.cygwin.com/faq.html#faq.api.fork

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RE: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-10 Thread Kutty, Rejeesh


No it didn't, but it reported access violation after RPCRT4.dll.
(This is the RPC API, as per google).

-Original Message-
From: Lavrentiev, Anton (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [C]  
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 3:17 PM
To: Kutty, Rejeesh ; cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: RE: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

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> Renamed that DLL -- same behavior, and same  access violation in WinDbg.
> Killed all Beyond Trust Services/Tasks -- same behavior.

Does WinDBG still show the DLL loaded?

Anton Lavrentiev
Contractor NIH/NLM/NCBI

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RE: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-10 Thread Lavrentiev, Anton (NIH/NLM/NCBI) [C] via Cygwin
> Renamed that DLL -- same behavior, and same  access violation in WinDbg.
> Killed all Beyond Trust Services/Tasks -- same behavior.

Does WinDBG still show the DLL loaded?

Anton Lavrentiev
Contractor NIH/NLM/NCBI

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RE: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-10 Thread Kutty, Rejeesh
I tried two things (though may not make sense).

Renamed that DLL -- same behavior, and same  access violation in WinDbg.
Killed all Beyond Trust Services/Tasks -- same behavior.


-Original Message-
From: Cygwin  On Behalf Of 
Ken Brown
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 1:29 PM
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

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On 12/10/2021 12:12 PM, Kutty, Rejeesh wrote:
> Google says it is part of the Beyond Trust stuff, for security?
> I couldn't find anything that tells me how to disable it.
> Is this DLL the problem?

Could be.  Is Beyond Trust something that you have control over?  Can you 
uninstall it, or temporarily suspend it, or tell it to exclude certain 
directories?

Ken

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Re: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-10 Thread Ken Brown

On 12/10/2021 12:12 PM, Kutty, Rejeesh wrote:

Google says it is part of the Beyond Trust stuff, for security?
I couldn't find anything that tells me how to disable it.
Is this DLL the problem?


Could be.  Is Beyond Trust something that you have control over?  Can you 
uninstall it, or temporarily suspend it, or tell it to exclude certain directories?


Ken

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RE: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-10 Thread Kutty, Rejeesh
Google says it is part of the Beyond Trust stuff, for security?
I couldn't find anything that tells me how to disable it.
Is this DLL the problem?

-Original Message-
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Ken Brown
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 11:45 AM
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
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On 12/10/2021 9:39 AM, Kutty, Rejeesh wrote:
> I can't  launch setup-x86_64.exe, but setup-x86 runs fine.
[...]
> ModLoad: 7ffd`4371 7ffd`4374a000   
> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\privman64.dll

What is this and why is it being loaded?

Ken

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Re: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-10 Thread Ken Brown

On 12/10/2021 9:39 AM, Kutty, Rejeesh wrote:

I can't  launch setup-x86_64.exe, but setup-x86 runs fine.

[...]

ModLoad: 7ffd`4371 7ffd`4374a000   C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\privman64.dll


What is this and why is it being loaded?

Ken

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RE: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-10 Thread Kutty, Rejeesh


MD5SUM from bash shell: (seems to match)

[/cygdrive/c/Users/rkutty/Downloads]> md5sum setup-*x86_64.exe
82f0a6cf3a2b228acf0b2009dc6f6d42 *setup-2.909.x86_64.exe
02bf8c1db4b4e5ead39c1812bd13 *setup-2.910-3-g217aad.x86_64.exe
be948258a63ff971c6f21ebc2a8af43e *setup-2.910.x86_64.exe
82f0a6cf3a2b228acf0b2009dc6f6d42 *setup-x86_64.exe

Trying in a different folder on command prompt:

c:\TEMP>setup-2.910.x86_64.exe -V

But If I run 32bit:

c:\TEMP>setup-x86.exe -V

c:\TEMP>Cygwin setup 2.909

c:\TEMP>



-Original Message-
From: Cygwin  On Behalf Of 
Marco Atzeri
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2021 10:31 AM
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
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On 10.12.2021 16:19, Kutty, Rejeesh wrote:
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> I did try deleting, re-downloading many times, no luck.
> I also tried the following versions from the link you gave me 
> (cygwin.com/setup/):
> 
> setup-2.909.x86_64.exe
> setup-2.910.x86_64.exe
> setup-2.910-3-g217aad.x86_64.exe
> 
> All behave the same way.
> 

can you check the files ?

$ md5sum setup-*x86_64.exe
be948258a63ff971c6f21ebc2a8af43e *setup-2.910.x86_64.exe
02bf8c1db4b4e5ead39c1812bd13 *setup-2.910-3-g217aad.x86_64.exe
82f0a6cf3a2b228acf0b2009dc6f6d42 *setup-x86_64.exe

additional, as I see

CommandLine: C:\Users\rkutty\Downloads\setup-x86_64.exe

Can you also try to run it in a different directory like C:\TEMP ?


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Re: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-10 Thread Marco Atzeri

On 10.12.2021 16:19, Kutty, Rejeesh wrote:


Thanks,

I did try deleting, re-downloading many times, no luck.
I also tried the following versions from the link you gave me 
(cygwin.com/setup/):

setup-2.909.x86_64.exe
setup-2.910.x86_64.exe
setup-2.910-3-g217aad.x86_64.exe

All behave the same way.



can you check the files ?

$ md5sum setup-*x86_64.exe
be948258a63ff971c6f21ebc2a8af43e *setup-2.910.x86_64.exe
02bf8c1db4b4e5ead39c1812bd13 *setup-2.910-3-g217aad.x86_64.exe
82f0a6cf3a2b228acf0b2009dc6f6d42 *setup-x86_64.exe

additional, as I see

CommandLine: C:\Users\rkutty\Downloads\setup-x86_64.exe

Can you also try to run it in a different directory
like C:\TEMP ?


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Re: Re: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-10 Thread Kutty, Rejeesh


Thanks,

I did try deleting, re-downloading many times, no luck.
I also tried the following versions from the link you gave me 
(cygwin.com/setup/):

setup-2.909.x86_64.exe
setup-2.910.x86_64.exe
setup-2.910-3-g217aad.x86_64.exe

All behave the same way.



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Re: setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-10 Thread Marco Atzeri

 On 10.12.2021 15:39, Kutty, Rejeesh wrote:

Hi,

I can't  launch setup-x86_64.exe, but setup-x86 runs fine.



Hi Kutty,

It works fine on my W10 21H1

May be a corrupted download ?
Can you download it again ?


You can also try the last setup snapshots:

https://sourceware.org/pipermail/cygwin/2021-December/250130.html


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setup-x86_64.exe does not start in win10 20H2

2021-12-10 Thread Kutty, Rejeesh
Hi,

I can't  launch setup-x86_64.exe, but setup-x86 runs fine.

PC Info:

Windows 10, 20H2, OS build: 19042.1348
64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.3920.0

I tried to run from a command prompt, same behavior.
I tried various flags, -B, -a, -t, -V, same behavior.

I tried to debug using the WinDBG tool, here is the output:
Apologies in advance, if the following is irrelevant.

Microsoft (R) Windows Debugger Version 10.0.22000.194 AMD64
Copyright (c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

CommandLine: C:\Users\rkutty\Downloads\setup-x86_64.exe

* Path validation summary **
Response Time (ms) Location
Deferred   srv*
Symbol search path is: srv*
Executable search path is:
ModLoad: `0040 `008e4000   image`0040
ModLoad: 7ffd`4629 7ffd`46485000   ntdll.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`45cc 7ffd`45d7e000   C:\WINDOWS\System32\KERNEL32.DLL
ModLoad: 7ffd`439b 7ffd`43c78000   
C:\WINDOWS\System32\KERNELBASE.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`4476 7ffd`4480c000   C:\WINDOWS\System32\ADVAPI32.DLL
ModLoad: 7ffd`45e3 7ffd`45ece000   C:\WINDOWS\System32\msvcrt.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`459f 7ffd`45a8b000   C:\WINDOWS\System32\sechost.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`44b4 7ffd`44c6a000   C:\WINDOWS\System32\RPCRT4.dll
(1a1c.3788): Break instruction exception - code 8003 (first chance)
ntdll!LdrpDoDebuggerBreak+0x30:
7ffd`463606b0 cc  int 3
0:000> g
ModLoad: 7ffd`4371 7ffd`4374a000   C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\privman64.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`4493 7ffd`44ad1000   C:\WINDOWS\System32\USER32.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`43d8 7ffd`43da2000   C:\WINDOWS\System32\win32u.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`44c7 7ffd`44c9b000   C:\WINDOWS\System32\GDI32.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`43fd 7ffd`440db000   C:\WINDOWS\System32\gdi32full.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`440e 7ffd`4417d000   C:\WINDOWS\System32\msvcp_win.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`43c8 7ffd`43d8   C:\WINDOWS\System32\ucrtbase.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`44e5 7ffd`4558f000   C:\WINDOWS\System32\SHELL32.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`44ca 7ffd`44dca000   C:\WINDOWS\System32\ole32.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`4559 7ffd`458e5000   C:\WINDOWS\System32\combase.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`44ae 7ffd`44b35000   C:\WINDOWS\System32\SHLWAPI.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`4387 7ffd`4389e000   C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\USERENV.dll
ModLoad: 7ffd`458f 7ffd`4592   C:\WINDOWS\System32\IMM32.DLL
(1a1c.3788): Access violation - code c005 (first chance)
First chance exceptions are reported before any exception handling.
This exception may be expected and handled.
*** WARNING: Unable to verify timestamp for 
C:\Users\rkutty\Downloads\setup-x86_64.exe
setup_x86_64+0xe34dd:
`004e34dd add byte ptr [rax],al 
ds:`0224=??
0:000> g
(1a1c.3788): Access violation - code c005 (!!! second chance !!!)
setup_x86_64+0xe34dd:
`004e34dd add byte ptr [rax],al 
ds:`0224=??
0:000> g
(1a1c.3788): Access violation - code c005 (first chance)
First chance exceptions are reported before any exception handling.
This exception may be expected and handled.
setup_x86_64+0xe34dd:
`004e34dd add byte ptr [rax],al 
ds:`0224=??

Thanks,
Rejeesh

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