Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On 2010-09-13, at 06:12, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: gcc3 is deprecated; distro packages should be built with gcc4, and all Ports packages for Cygwin 1.7 are built with gcc4. So OCaml definitely builds with gcc4. I checked and yes it works. How soon can you rebuild ocaml with gcc4 and flexdll-0.25-1? I'm having personal problems right now, so it will likely be two or three weeks. Sorry. -- Damien
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 14:51 +0200, Damien Doligez wrote: I think you should upload this version for the moment because I have two potential problems with Yaakov's FlexDLL package that I need to investigate: 1. It's based on an old version of FlexDLL, and IIRC OCaml needs some of the recent changes. Specifically, it needs the flexdll.h header. I just updated flexdll to the latest upstream release. 2. It mentions gcc4 in the dependencies, but OCaml is compiled with gcc3. I need to determine whether OCaml now works with gcc4 and if not, whether it needs a FlexDLL based on gcc3. gcc3 is deprecated; distro packages should be built with gcc4, and all Ports packages for Cygwin 1.7 are built with gcc4. So OCaml definitely builds with gcc4. How soon can you rebuild ocaml with gcc4 and flexdll-0.25-1? Yaakov
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On 2010-09-09, at 21:07, Andrew Schulman wrote: Auto gold star awarded: http://cygwin.com/goldstars/#DD. Ooooh, shiny! Thanks! And a thanks from me - the OCaml package was way out of date, but I tried once to build it for Cygwin and couldn't make it work. But I'm cheating: I have insider information. -- Damien
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
And a thanks from me - the OCaml package was way out of date, but I tried once to build it for Cygwin and couldn't make it work. But I'm cheating: I have insider information. No holds barred here at cygwin.com.
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On 2010-09-08, at 11:31, Corinna Vinschen wrote: Cool, thanks. Your packaging looks good, so this package is ok for upload. I was just wondering if you would like me to upload the package as is for now, or if I should wait for the FlexDLL-enabled version? I think you should upload this version for the moment because I have two potential problems with Yaakov's FlexDLL package that I need to investigate: 1. It's based on an old version of FlexDLL, and IIRC OCaml needs some of the recent changes. 2. It mentions gcc4 in the dependencies, but OCaml is compiled with gcc3. I need to determine whether OCaml now works with gcc4 and if not, whether it needs a FlexDLL based on gcc3. -- Damien
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On Sep 9 14:51, Damien Doligez wrote: On 2010-09-08, at 11:31, Corinna Vinschen wrote: Cool, thanks. Your packaging looks good, so this package is ok for upload. I was just wondering if you would like me to upload the package as is for now, or if I should wait for the FlexDLL-enabled version? I think you should upload this version for the moment because I have two potential problems with Yaakov's FlexDLL package that I need to investigate: 1. It's based on an old version of FlexDLL, and IIRC OCaml needs some of the recent changes. 2. It mentions gcc4 in the dependencies, but OCaml is compiled with gcc3. I need to determine whether OCaml now works with gcc4 and if not, whether it needs a FlexDLL based on gcc3. Uploaded. Please announce on the cygwin-announce list according to http://cygwin.com/setup.html#submitting Thanks, Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
Cool, thanks. Your packaging looks good, so this package is ok for upload. I was just wondering if you would like me to upload the package as is for now, or if I should wait for the FlexDLL-enabled version? I think you should upload this version for the moment because I have two potential problems with Yaakov's FlexDLL package that I need to investigate: 1. It's based on an old version of FlexDLL, and IIRC OCaml needs some of the recent changes. 2. It mentions gcc4 in the dependencies, but OCaml is compiled with gcc3. I need to determine whether OCaml now works with gcc4 and if not, whether it needs a FlexDLL based on gcc3. Uploaded. Please announce on the cygwin-announce list according to http://cygwin.com/setup.html#submitting Auto gold star awarded: http://cygwin.com/goldstars/#DD. And a thanks from me - the OCaml package was way out of date, but I tried once to build it for Cygwin and couldn't make it work. Andrew.
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On Sep 7 23:52, Damien Doligez wrote: On 2010-09-06, at 16:43, Charles Wilson wrote: Are you sure that your new version requires libncurses7? The only current libncurses-dev package will cause you to link against libncurses10... Try cygcheck /usr/bin/name-of-ocaml-exe and see what DLLs it actually uses... Also, new policy is NOT to list 'cygwin' in the requires... You're absolutely right. I have fixed both problems and updated some stale information in the README file. The new version is here: wget http://yquem.inria.fr/~doligez/cygwin/ocaml-3.12.0-2-src.tar.bz2 wget http://yquem.inria.fr/~doligez/cygwin/ocaml-3.12.0-2.tar.bz2 Do you also have an URL to the new setup.hint file? Thanks, Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On Sep 8 10:00, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Sep 7 23:52, Damien Doligez wrote: On 2010-09-06, at 16:43, Charles Wilson wrote: Are you sure that your new version requires libncurses7? The only current libncurses-dev package will cause you to link against libncurses10... Try cygcheck /usr/bin/name-of-ocaml-exe and see what DLLs it actually uses... Also, new policy is NOT to list 'cygwin' in the requires... You're absolutely right. I have fixed both problems and updated some stale information in the README file. The new version is here: wget http://yquem.inria.fr/~doligez/cygwin/ocaml-3.12.0-2-src.tar.bz2 wget http://yquem.inria.fr/~doligez/cygwin/ocaml-3.12.0-2.tar.bz2 Do you also have an URL to the new setup.hint file? Oh, btw., since Yaakov has now ITPed FlexDLL, are you going to rebuild ocaml with FlexDLL support? Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On 2010-09-08, at 10:00, Corinna Vinschen wrote: wget http://yquem.inria.fr/~doligez/cygwin/ocaml-3.12.0-2-src.tar.bz2 wget http://yquem.inria.fr/~doligez/cygwin/ocaml-3.12.0-2.tar.bz2 Do you also have an URL to the new setup.hint file? wget http://yquem.inria.fr/~doligez/cygwin/setup.hint Oh, btw., since Yaakov has now ITPed FlexDLL, are you going to rebuild ocaml with FlexDLL support? Yes, of course. -- Damien
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On Sep 8 10:35, Damien Doligez wrote: On 2010-09-08, at 10:00, Corinna Vinschen wrote: wget http://yquem.inria.fr/~doligez/cygwin/ocaml-3.12.0-2-src.tar.bz2 wget http://yquem.inria.fr/~doligez/cygwin/ocaml-3.12.0-2.tar.bz2 Do you also have an URL to the new setup.hint file? wget http://yquem.inria.fr/~doligez/cygwin/setup.hint Oh, btw., since Yaakov has now ITPed FlexDLL, are you going to rebuild ocaml with FlexDLL support? Yes, of course. Cool, thanks. Your packaging looks good, so this package is ok for upload. I was just wondering if you would like me to upload the package as is for now, or if I should wait for the FlexDLL-enabled version? Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 15:48 +0200, Damien Doligez wrote: 1. The tcl/tk bindings: they don't work out of the box with Cygwin's tcl/tk, and I don't think there is much demand anyway. Interesting, given that OCaml presumes that Cygwin's tcl/tk is Win32 (which it currently is), but Ports' X11 tcl/tk works with OCaml with some patches: http://cygwin-ports.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=cygwin-ports/ports;a=tree;f=lang/ocaml Given the recent issues on the list, I think it's about time I ITA tcl/tk. 2. Dynamic linking: this needs FlexDLL http://alain.frisch.fr/flexdll/ , which isn't packaged for cygwin. I guess I'll do a cygwin package of FlexDLL later, when I have a bit more experience. I have a flexdll package in Ports which includes several patches necessary for Cygwin, which I used to build OCaml with dynlink support: http://cygwin-ports.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=cygwin-ports/ports;a=tree;f=devel/flexdll I will be busy for the remainder of the week, but let's work on this further next week. Yaakov
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 05:03:13AM -0500, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 15:48 +0200, Damien Doligez wrote: 1. The tcl/tk bindings: they don't work out of the box with Cygwin's tcl/tk, and I don't think there is much demand anyway. Interesting, given that OCaml presumes that Cygwin's tcl/tk is Win32 (which it currently is), but Ports' X11 tcl/tk works with OCaml with some patches: http://cygwin-ports.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=cygwin-ports/ports;a=tree;f=lang/ocaml Given the recent issues on the list, I think it's about time I ITA tcl/tk. I know that it isn't obvious but I really am still here and that sorta means that you can't take tcl/tk away just yet. I have been trying to talk to the insight maintainer about what to do with tcl/tk but he hasn't been really responsive and I haven't been extremely motivated to push the issue. I actually have had a native cygwin version of tcl ready for quite some time but insight really messes things up. cgf
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On 9/7/2010 6:03 AM, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: Given the recent issues on the list, I think it's about time I ITA tcl/tk. More power to you, but I don't think cgf has gone anywhere...so tcltk isn't yet orphaned. -- Chuck
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
Am 07.09.2010, 16:42 Uhr, schrieb Christopher Faylor: On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 05:03:13AM -0500, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 15:48 +0200, Damien Doligez wrote: 1. The tcl/tk bindings: they don't work out of the box with Cygwin's tcl/tk, and I don't think there is much demand anyway. Interesting, given that OCaml presumes that Cygwin's tcl/tk is Win32 (which it currently is), but Ports' X11 tcl/tk works with OCaml with some patches: http://cygwin-ports.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=cygwin-ports/ports;a=tree;f=lang/ocaml Given the recent issues on the list, I think it's about time I ITA tcl/tk. I know that it isn't obvious but I really am still here and that sorta means that you can't take tcl/tk away just yet. I have been trying to talk to the insight maintainer about what to do with tcl/tk but he hasn't been really responsive and I haven't been extremely motivated to push the issue. Insight is dead for all practical purposes, but Tcl/Tk in Cygwin depending on X11 rather than Win32 would be major regression. Not that I'd have time to help though. -- Matthias Andree
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 08:40:43PM +0200, Matthias Andree wrote: Am 07.09.2010, 16:42 Uhr, schrieb Christopher Faylor: On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 05:03:13AM -0500, Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 15:48 +0200, Damien Doligez wrote: 1. The tcl/tk bindings: they don't work out of the box with Cygwin's tcl/tk, and I don't think there is much demand anyway. Interesting, given that OCaml presumes that Cygwin's tcl/tk is Win32 (which it currently is), but Ports' X11 tcl/tk works with OCaml with some patches: http://cygwin-ports.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=cygwin-ports/ports;a=tree;f=lang/ocaml Given the recent issues on the list, I think it's about time I ITA tcl/tk. I know that it isn't obvious but I really am still here and that sorta means that you can't take tcl/tk away just yet. I have been trying to talk to the insight maintainer about what to do with tcl/tk but he hasn't been really responsive and I haven't been extremely motivated to push the issue. Insight is dead for all practical purposes, but Tcl/Tk in Cygwin depending on X11 rather than Win32 would be major regression. Not that I'd have time to help though. This has already been decided. I was just waiting for some sign of life from my friend the insight maintainer. I guess I'll go ahead and pull insight from the release. That should make things easier. cgf
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 14:55 -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: This has already been decided. I was just waiting for some sign of life from my friend the insight maintainer. I guess I'll go ahead and pull insight from the release. That should make things easier. FWIW, Debian, Fedora, and Gentoo all ship gdb and insight based on separate source packages (using the latest official releases of each). Packaging a TUI-only gdb-7.2 now would therefore be the first step towards that. I was able to build a separate insight CVS snapshot against my X11 tcl/tk with some patches: http://cygwin-ports.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=cygwin-ports/ports;a=tree;f=devel/insight HTH, Yaakov
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On 2010-09-06, at 16:43, Charles Wilson wrote: Are you sure that your new version requires libncurses7? The only current libncurses-dev package will cause you to link against libncurses10... Try cygcheck /usr/bin/name-of-ocaml-exe and see what DLLs it actually uses... Also, new policy is NOT to list 'cygwin' in the requires... You're absolutely right. I have fixed both problems and updated some stale information in the README file. The new version is here: wget http://yquem.inria.fr/~doligez/cygwin/ocaml-3.12.0-2-src.tar.bz2 wget http://yquem.inria.fr/~doligez/cygwin/ocaml-3.12.0-2.tar.bz2 -- Damien
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On 9/7/2010 2:55 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 08:40:43PM +0200, Matthias Andree wrote: Insight is dead for all practical purposes, but Tcl/Tk in Cygwin depending on X11 rather than Win32 would be major regression. Not that I'd have time to help though. This has already been decided. Maybe this is a dumb question, but I've been paying pretty close attention and this statement confuses me. What /exactly/ was the decision that was reached? (I *think* I know, I *believe* I know, but cgf is the maintainer of tcl/tk, not to mention his position wrt to cygwin as a whole -- so he pretty much gets final say about tcl/tk, regardless of what I or anybody else might say. So...) -- Chuck
[ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
Dear Cygwin packagers, It looks like the ocaml package is abandoned: the current version (OCaml 3.08.1) dates back to 2006, and the listed maintainer is Igor Pechtchanski (from before he changed his name). Unless it is by design that OCaml is held back to an obsolete version, I would like to volunteer to take over maintainership. I'm one of the main developers of OCaml, and I've been a cygwin user for a few years now. I'm getting tired of reinstalling OCaml by hand on every new cygwin I install... I have read through the Cygwin Package Contributor's Guide (twice). This is the contents of my setup.hint file for the updated package, mostly unchanged from Igor's version: -- sdesc: The Objective Caml compiler and runtime ldesc: Objective Caml is a fast modern type-inferring functional programming language descended from the ML (Meta Language) family. The OCaml compiler is developed at INRIA's project-team Gallium requires: cygwin libncurses7 category: Interpreters Devel -- -- Damien
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On Sep 6 13:47, Damien Doligez wrote: Dear Cygwin packagers, It looks like the ocaml package is abandoned: the current version (OCaml 3.08.1) dates back to 2006, and the listed maintainer is Igor Pechtchanski (from before he changed his name). Yes, Igor is AWOL for quite some time now, unfortunately. Unless it is by design that OCaml is held back to an obsolete version, I would like to volunteer to take over maintainership. That would be nice. I'm one of the main developers of OCaml, and I've been a cygwin user for a few years now. I'm getting tired of reinstalling OCaml by hand on every new cygwin I install... I have read through the Cygwin Package Contributor's Guide (twice). This is the contents of my setup.hint file for the updated package, mostly unchanged from Igor's version: -- sdesc: The Objective Caml compiler and runtime ldesc: Objective Caml is a fast modern type-inferring functional programming language descended from the ML (Meta Language) family. The OCaml compiler is developed at INRIA's project-team Gallium requires: cygwin libncurses7 category: Interpreters Devel -- That's ok, but for an ITA you should also provide links to the binary and source packages. It's hard to check them for correctness otherwise... Thanks, Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat
Re: [ITA] ocaml 3.12.0
On 9/6/2010 7:47 AM, Damien Doligez wrote: This is the contents of my setup.hint file for the updated package, mostly unchanged from Igor's version: -- sdesc: The Objective Caml compiler and runtime ldesc: Objective Caml is a fast modern type-inferring functional programming language descended from the ML (Meta Language) family. The OCaml compiler is developed at INRIA's project-team Gallium requires: cygwin libncurses7 category: Interpreters Devel -- Are you sure that your new version requires libncurses7? The only current libncurses-dev package will cause you to link against libncurses10... Try cygcheck /usr/bin/name-of-ocaml-exe and see what DLLs it actually uses... Also, new policy is NOT to list 'cygwin' in the requires... -- Chuck
