Re: How to launch kde from ssh correctly?
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Mike Kenny - BCX - Professional Services JHB wrote: Sorry if this is a dumb question, please don't reply with a dumb answer :-) I want to use ssh to connect to a linux system and then be able to use KDE to access my applications. So far using ssh -X 192.168.1.13 and executing startkde after I login works, to an extent. Both the dektop and the kicker are launched, but they are launched independantly. I can move the kicker around to make it visible and accessible and then use the menus to get into openoffice, but my real aim is to wean my wife away from M$ toys and get her using ooo, there is no way that she will be happy with having to search for the kicker. Is there some option to ssh that will recifty this situation? Most likely you're starting XWin in multiwindow mode where every window from X11 is mapped to a Windows window. If you replace the -multiwindow with -nodecoration then you get a single window for the whole remote session. Or you could create a link which directly starts openoffice without the KDE desktop ssh -Yf 192.168.1.13 soffice BTW: you should use ssh -Y instead of ssh -X because -X does only enable untrusted X11 connections where some features are not working. bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
RE: How to launch kde from ssh correctly?
Thanks -nodecoration works nicely Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander Gottwald Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 12:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to launch kde from ssh correctly? On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Mike Kenny - BCX - Professional Services JHB wrote: Sorry if this is a dumb question, please don't reply with a dumb answer :-) I want to use ssh to connect to a linux system and then be able to use KDE to access my applications. So far using ssh -X 192.168.1.13 and executing startkde after I login works, to an extent. Both the dektop and the kicker are launched, but they are launched independantly. I can move the kicker around to make it visible and accessible and then use the menus to get into openoffice, but my real aim is to wean my wife away from M$ toys and get her using ooo, there is no way that she will be happy with having to search for the kicker. Is there some option to ssh that will recifty this situation? Most likely you're starting XWin in multiwindow mode where every window from X11 is mapped to a Windows window. If you replace the -multiwindow with -nodecoration then you get a single window for the whole remote session. Or you could create a link which directly starts openoffice without the KDE desktop ssh -Yf 192.168.1.13 soffice BTW: you should use ssh -Y instead of ssh -X because -X does only enable untrusted X11 connections where some features are not working. bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
I've lost cut and paste - any ideas why?
I have lost the ability to cut and paste between my slackware Linux desktop and the Windows 2000 system on which I'm running Cygwin/X. It used to work until recently and the only thing I can think of that has changed is that I have upgraded the Slackware from version 9.1 to version 10 and I'm using gdm rather than xdm on that system. Is there any configuration in the gdm/xdm area that would affect my ability to cut and paste? -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
Re: I've lost cut and paste - any ideas why?
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: I have lost the ability to cut and paste between my slackware Linux desktop and the Windows 2000 system on which I'm running Cygwin/X. It used to work until recently and the only thing I can think of that has changed is that I have upgraded the Slackware from version 9.1 to version 10 and I'm using gdm rather than xdm on that system. Is there any configuration in the gdm/xdm area that would affect my ability to cut and paste? There was a similar report some days ago. It seems the gdm startup had changed and the clipboard client is killed by gdm again. Normally the clipboard client is started after gdm finished but it seems it is started to early. /tmp/XWin.log may shed some light on this bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
Re: I've lost cut and paste - any ideas why?
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 12:09:04PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: [snip] Is there any configuration in the gdm/xdm area that would affect my ability to cut and paste? There was a similar report some days ago. It seems the gdm startup had changed and the clipboard client is killed by gdm again. Normally the clipboard client is started after gdm finished but it seems it is started to early. /tmp/XWin.log may shed some light on this OK, thanks, I'll go and take a look. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
Re: I've lost cut and paste - any ideas why?
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 06:57:14AM -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: I have lost the ability to cut and paste between my slackware Linux desktop and the Windows 2000 system on which I'm running Cygwin/X. It used to work until recently and the only thing I can think of that has changed is that I have upgraded the Slackware from version 9.1 to version 10 and I'm using gdm rather than xdm on that system. Is there any configuration in the gdm/xdm area that would affect my ability to cut and paste? I have an impression that Slackware 10 introduced UTF-8 locales. That's the first thing I'd check. How would one check this and, if it's the cause, fix it? -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
Re: I've lost cut and paste - any ideas why?
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 06:57:14AM -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote: I have an impression that Slackware 10 introduced UTF-8 locales. That's the first thing I'd check. How would one check this and, if it's the cause, fix it? If your environment on the other end is a UTF-8 locale, then some of the selections will use a UTF-8 string. I don't know offhand if the Cygwin/X server supports that, but the clients don't since Cygwin doesn't support UTF-8 locales. If that's the case, setting your locale to en_GB.ISO-8859-1, etc., should make it workable (since Cygwin supports Latin-1). That's normally set in some system file (but I don't offhand know, since mostly I've been using startx/fvwm). -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: I've lost cut and paste - any ideas why?
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 08:45:58AM -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 06:57:14AM -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote: I have an impression that Slackware 10 introduced UTF-8 locales. That's the first thing I'd check. How would one check this and, if it's the cause, fix it? If your environment on the other end is a UTF-8 locale, then some of the selections will use a UTF-8 string. I don't know offhand if the Cygwin/X server supports that, but the clients don't since Cygwin doesn't support UTF-8 locales. If that's the case, setting your locale to en_GB.ISO-8859-1, etc., should make it workable (since Cygwin supports Latin-1). That's normally set in some system file (but I don't offhand know, since mostly I've been using startx/fvwm). OK, thanks very much, two things to check tonight when I get home. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
Re: I've lost cut and paste - any ideas why?
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Kensuke Matsuzaki wrote: Hi, If your environment on the other end is a UTF-8 locale, then some of the selections will use a UTF-8 string. I don't know offhand if the Cygwin/X server supports that, but the clients don't since Cygwin doesn't support UTF-8 locales. If linux side program supports CTEXT or UTF_STRING, you can use any locale. (And xterm, emacs, mozilla etc supports CTEXT) If you use programs that use only XA_STRING in UTF-8 locale, maybe copy and pasted multibyte text will broken. But gtk and qt supports CTEXT, so a few program have problem. I could verify that it's gdm which causes the problems. winProcEstablishConnection - Hello winProcEstablishConnection - Xdmcp enabled, waiting to start clipboard client un til fourth call. winProcEstablishConnection - Hello winProcEstablishConnection - Xdmcp enabled, waiting to start clipboard client un til fourth call. winProcEstablishConnection - Hello winProcEstablishConnection - Xdmcp enabled, waiting to start clipboard client un til fourth call. winInitClipboard () winProcQueryTree - winInitClipboard returned. winClipboardProc - Hello DetectUnicodeSupport - Windows NT/2000/XP winClipboardProc - DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:1.0 winProcEstablishConnection - Hello winProcEstablishConnection - Clipboard client already launched, returning. winClipboardProc - XOpenDisplay () returned and successfully opened the display. winProcSetSelectionOwner - Clipboard not yet started, aborting. winProcSetSelectionOwner - Clipboard not yet started, aborting. winClipboardIOErrorHandler! winClipboardProc - setjmp returned for IO Error Handler. winDeinitMultiWindowWM - Noting shutdown in progress There are too many clients connecting before the actual login process connects. I'm thinking about various solutions: o make the number of clients configurable (it is hardcoded to 4 now) - quite easy work - not very userfriendly o make clipboard thread recover from errors (shutdown and restart) - very hard to build - will work in all cases Number 1 is something I will come up in the next days. The second needs at least some days to come up wit a clear design and even longer to implement and test. bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
Re: I've lost cut and paste - any ideas why?
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 04:13:59PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: winProcEstablishConnection - Hello winProcEstablishConnection - Xdmcp enabled, waiting to start clipboard client un til fourth call. winProcEstablishConnection - Hello winProcEstablishConnection - Xdmcp enabled, waiting to start clipboard client un til fourth call. winProcEstablishConnection - Hello winProcEstablishConnection - Xdmcp enabled, waiting to start clipboard client un til fourth call. winInitClipboard () winProcQueryTree - winInitClipboard returned. winClipboardProc - Hello DetectUnicodeSupport - Windows NT/2000/XP winClipboardProc - DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:1.0 winProcEstablishConnection - Hello winProcEstablishConnection - Clipboard client already launched, returning. winClipboardProc - XOpenDisplay () returned and successfully opened the display. winProcSetSelectionOwner - Clipboard not yet started, aborting. winProcSetSelectionOwner - Clipboard not yet started, aborting. winClipboardIOErrorHandler! winClipboardProc - setjmp returned for IO Error Handler. winDeinitMultiWindowWM - Noting shutdown in progress There are too many clients connecting before the actual login process connects. I'm thinking about various solutions: o make the number of clients configurable (it is hardcoded to 4 now) - quite easy work - not very userfriendly o make clipboard thread recover from errors (shutdown and restart) - very hard to build - will work in all cases Number 1 is something I will come up in the next days. The second needs at least some days to come up wit a clear design and even longer to implement and test. Thanks for looking into it and reporting what you found. I'll look and check to see if my error log reports the same. Would a strategically placed sleep anywhere help? Unfortunately I can't go back to xdm as I couldn't get it to work on my Slackware 10, I *think* it's something to do with it being compiled for ipv6. Maybe I should try building a version from source with ipv6 disabled, I've no need for all the extras that gdm provides, I just used it because it worked. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
Does anyone else get these blank failed deliveries?
Every time I send a message to the Cygwin/X list I get an empty bounce with the following headers:- From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 17 15:53:40 2004 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Returned mail: User unknown To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:48:04 + (GMT) Is anyone else experiencing this? -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
Re: I've lost cut and paste - any ideas why?
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 04:13:59PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: winProcEstablishConnection - Hello winProcEstablishConnection - Xdmcp enabled, waiting to start clipboard client un til fourth call. winProcEstablishConnection - Hello winProcEstablishConnection - Xdmcp enabled, waiting to start clipboard client un til fourth call. winProcEstablishConnection - Hello winProcEstablishConnection - Xdmcp enabled, waiting to start clipboard client un til fourth call. winInitClipboard () winProcQueryTree - winInitClipboard returned. winClipboardProc - Hello DetectUnicodeSupport - Windows NT/2000/XP winClipboardProc - DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:1.0 winProcEstablishConnection - Hello winProcEstablishConnection - Clipboard client already launched, returning. winClipboardProc - XOpenDisplay () returned and successfully opened the display. winProcSetSelectionOwner - Clipboard not yet started, aborting. winProcSetSelectionOwner - Clipboard not yet started, aborting. winClipboardIOErrorHandler! winClipboardProc - setjmp returned for IO Error Handler. winDeinitMultiWindowWM - Noting shutdown in progress There are too many clients connecting before the actual login process connects. I'm thinking about various solutions: o make the number of clients configurable (it is hardcoded to 4 now) - quite easy work - not very userfriendly o make clipboard thread recover from errors (shutdown and restart) - very hard to build - will work in all cases Number 1 is something I will come up in the next days. The second needs at least some days to come up wit a clear design and even longer to implement and test. Thanks for looking into it and reporting what you found. I'll look and check to see if my error log reports the same. Would a strategically placed sleep anywhere help? No. The clipboard thread is started internally. Unfortunately I can't go back to xdm as I couldn't get it to work on my Slackware 10, I *think* it's something to do with it being compiled for ipv6. Maybe I should try building a version from source with ipv6 disabled, I've no need for all the extras that gdm provides, I just used it because it worked. wdm is working well on debian. Maybe it is available on slackware too bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
Re: Does anyone else get these blank failed deliveries?
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: Every time I send a message to the Cygwin/X list I get an empty bounce with the following headers:- From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 17 15:53:40 2004 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Returned mail: User unknown To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:48:04 + (GMT) Is anyone else experiencing this? Someone (or a worm) is using your mail address to send infected mails. Just ignore them. You can't make it stop anyway. bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
Re: Does anyone else get these blank failed deliveries?
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 03:57:01PM +, Chris Green wrote: Every time I send a message to the Cygwin/X list I get an empty bounce with the following headers:- From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 17 15:53:40 2004 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Returned mail: User unknown To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:48:04 + (GMT) Is anyone else experiencing this? There is only one person from ise.de subscribed to the mailing list. I've unsubscribed that person. I guess if I don't get a bounce, I'll know if that was the right thing to do or not... cgf
Re: Does anyone else get these blank failed deliveries?
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 05:02:36PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: Every time I send a message to the Cygwin/X list I get an empty bounce with the following headers:- From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 17 15:53:40 2004 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Returned mail: User unknown To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:48:04 + (GMT) Is anyone else experiencing this? Someone (or a worm) is using your mail address to send infected mails. Just ignore them. You can't make it stop anyway. It's something more subtle than the usual though as it is definitely only happening when I send mail to the Cygwin/X list, one of these Returned mail: errors for each message I send to the list. I get all sorts of other junk but this is the only one that has these odd (and consistent) characteristics. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
Re: Does anyone else get these blank failed deliveries?
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 11:20:42AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 11:04:30AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 03:57:01PM +, Chris Green wrote: Every time I send a message to the Cygwin/X list I get an empty bounce with the following headers:- From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 17 15:53:40 2004 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Returned mail: User unknown To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:48:04 + (GMT) Is anyone else experiencing this? There is only one person from ise.de subscribed to the mailing list. I've unsubscribed that person. I guess if I don't get a bounce, I'll know if that was the right thing to do or not... Incidentally, if this type of thing happens in the future, the best way to correct the problem is to send the *complete* text (plus all headers) of the bounce to cygwin-xfree-owner at cygwin dot com. Yes, OK, I realised I hadn't sent the complete headers. However I had sent the complete text, there wasn't any, it was always an empty message. - Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
Re: Does anyone else get these blank failed deliveries?
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: It's something more subtle than the usual though as it is definitely only happening when I send mail to the Cygwin/X list, one of these Returned mail: errors for each message I send to the list. Hm. I had did not get the response when sending to the list otherwise I'd have kicked him earlier. bye ago -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotti.org ICQ: 126018723
Re: Does anyone else get these blank failed deliveries?
On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 05:29:25PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: It's something more subtle than the usual though as it is definitely only happening when I send mail to the Cygwin/X list, one of these Returned mail: errors for each message I send to the list. Hm. I had did not get the response when sending to the list otherwise I'd have kicked him earlier. Well whatever the list owner did it has fixed the problem. -- Chris Green ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
Re: Does anyone else get these blank failed deliveries?
Chris Green wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 05:29:25PM +0100, Alexander Gottwald wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Chris Green wrote: It's something more subtle than the usual though as it is definitely only happening when I send mail to the Cygwin/X list, one of these Returned mail: errors for each message I send to the list. Hm. I had did not get the response when sending to the list otherwise I'd have kicked him earlier. Well whatever the list owner did it has fixed the problem. This is a typical mailing list problem that happens with certain mailers or specific configurations. When the mailbot receives an error from one of the mail accounts on the list as it relays your message it will then pass that error back to you (or maybe the mail server generating the error just sends it straight back to the you, the sender, because your address is the originating e-mail account). This happens on another list I'm on from time to time when someone's e-mail account has problems or goes inactive. It is the same reason you, the sender, can occasionally get a 'out of office' reply from one of the list members when you send the list a message. Rob
