Re: Alternate window manager
* Anthony Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-06-09 07:50:43 -]: I would like to use X-windows that behave more like other unix platforms, e.g. can be resized by dragging the mouse on any edge or corner, also click on the top right hand corner to get full screen window. Is this possible with Cygwin Xfree86? If so is there an application note or documentation to explain how to do this? You answered your own question in the Subject: field of your email. :) The UI elements you're referring to are provided by the window manager; in this case, the venerable twm (which is the default window manager provided with Cygwin/XFree86). All you need to do is install a different window manager; I know at least fvwm (or is it fvwm2) is available via the setup program. KDE and GNOME also run under Cygwin, but you have to get them manually from their respective web sites. -- John# Buttery # Is that the cat? www.io.c# -- Jessie Scarlett om/~john# pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] XHC - X-Host Chooser
* Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-03-15 14:04:10 +0100]: Feature suggestions and bug reports are also welcome ;) Well, here's sort of a bug report...in the screenshot, the text for the -nounixkill and -nowinkill flags has them backwards. I haven't downloaded it so I'm not sure which checkbox actually corresponds to which function internally, but the text itself contradicts itself (-nounixkill is listed as disabling Alt-F4, and vice versa). -- John# Buttery # Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. www.io.c# Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. om/~john# pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: XFree86: Removing dummy root window on Rootless/Multiwindow mode
* Daniel Daboul [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-02-26 15:31:50 +0200]: In case somebody ever takes steps to remove the root window, I want to suggest to keep it as an option. I like to de-iconify it to quickly hide all windows not on that display, including all window manager decorations. This is potentially useful to get a kind of presentation mode for applications that don't have a full-screen mode built in. One can even use xsetroot. I believe (and I could be wrong) that the idea is that the root window would not be removed completely, just changed from a taskbar tab to a system tray icon. Again, I could be totally off base there, and I don't want to put words in any of the devs' mouths. :) In the current version the root window also covers Windows' task bar. Does that make the task manager the only common tool to get it back to the iconified state? -- Daniel Alt-tab or Ctrl-Esc should also work (to make some of Windows' GUI components resurface). Also, hitting Alt-Space, then n, will minimize most windows. -- John# Buttery # Why do CS majors always confuse Christmas and Halloween? www.io.c# Because DEC(25)=OCT(31). om/~john# pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: using rxvt with other shells
* Igor Pechtchanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-02-19 11:26:41 -0500]: Umm, *what* is *that*? MS Outlook/Exchange crap. It's not a virus, just annoying (although I suppose that could be up for debate, depending on your definition of virus :p). -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg05243/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What do people use Xfree86 for?
* Pille Geert (bizvdm) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-02-03 09:21:42 +0100]: The page you refer to is full of broken links and is trying to sell the antique MI/X server. Which was never able to handle multinational keyboards. Of course, this wouldn't be a problem, since yours is uppercase only. Still working on that Tandy? You know, getting this guy's Yahoo mail account shut down might be a little satisfying, but wouldn't reporting him to the Feds for fraud be even better? I doubt he's a legal Microimages reseller. :) Apologies to the list manager(s) (and everyone else) for posting to this thread; please send replies to this message (if any) to me personally and not the list. -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg05090/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: change the size of the window
* Quan Ding [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-01-30 19:30:37 -0800]: Doesn't seems to work. :( I did what you said and tried to run the batch file. Nothing happened. No window come up at all. You probably have an older version of the XFree86-xserv package that doesn't have the MultiWindow code in it. Try running the Cygwin setup program and upgrading. BTW, there's no way to reply a message in the browser? I have to subscribe the mailing list and send messages by emails? No, and yes, respectively. The answer to your other question is that twm doesn't resize windows the way you're probably used to from other window managers; you can't just grab any side or corner and stretch. You resize windows in twm by clicking on the resize box in the upper right corner of the window (aka on the right end of the titlebar) and dragging out from there. Note that if you want to make the window smaller, you have to make it larger first; in other words, drag it out larger and then with the mouse button still down, drag it back smaller. It sounds more complicated than it is. Oh, and don't say twm isn't configurable just because _you_ don't know how. :) -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg05057/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Displaying host list to manage from a local list
* Dukhan, Meir [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-01-29 15:48:21 +0200]: I would like to manage to launch cygwin/xfree so that the Cygwin will let me choose the host I want to connect to from a little text file on my Windows PC (like in Exceed when specifiying xdmcp-boadcast in Xconfig). Edit your startxwin.bat so it says Xwin.exe -broadcast. -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg05015/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can't Get XDMCP Login on Mandrake 9.0 Box from XP
* Harold L Hunt II [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-01-25 15:08:38 -0500]: I don't know that Port=177 and Willing=[anything] are necessary. But then, I do not know much about that. No, they're not necessary; you should probably comment Willing= out until you know what it does, and 177 is the default port so commenting that line out is fine also. What I do know is that you have to restart kdm in order for those changes to take effect. The easiest way to do that, short of restarting your machine, is to drop to run level 3, then go back to run level 5. You do that by running: init 3 [wait about a minute] init 5 Or run service dm restart. :) One side question: you DO see a graphical login screen when you sit down at your linux machine, right? If not, you aren't running kdm so XDMCP connections are not being accepted simply because you are not running a program that accepts them. Or you might be running kdm, on port 177, but not allowing any actual accesses. I don't know about kdm, but its daddy xdm has a configuration file /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess for that sort of thing. Try running: # netstat -plun | grep 177 ...and see if kdm is listening; if it is, you have an error in your permissions/configuration. -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg04965/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can't Get XDMCP Login on Mandrake 9.0 Box from XP
* Curt Lindner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-01-27 11:20:38 -0500]: John, I did the netstat command, and here's the response: # netstat -plun | grep 177 udp0 0 0.0.0.0:177 0.0.0.0:* 2553/kdm # Looks good... kdm is listening, but I wonder if the udp line might be indicative of a problem. Nope, XDMCP is UDP-based. Actually, I was kinda hoping that line wouldn't be there; that would at least have told us what the problem was. :) -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg04984/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New multiwindow mode is great
* Yadin Y Goldschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-01-15 20:48:47 -0500]: XWin with a startxwin.bat batch file with start XWin -multiwindow run rxvt -sl 1000 -e bash -l this will insure your bash prompt wil appear if it is in .bashrc. You can also add stuff like -fg black -bg white -fm 9x16bold --scrollstyle next -sr to the rxvt line to make it look nicer. I think what he means is that he has escape sequences in his prompt to update the titlebar of the window, which stopped working as of multiwindow mode. The same thing happened with mine (although I do mine with export PROMPT_COMMAND rather than embedding them in the prompt itself), but I wasn't going to say anything. :) As for the now-superfluous root window taskbar tab, I'm sure it will be moved into the system tray soon enough, once the debugging phase is over. And as for the Word document...hmm, no, I'll spare the list. ;) -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg04786/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New multiwindow mode is great
* Harold L Hunt II [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-01-16 08:17:55 -0500]: Just thought I would share that... hiding the root window may not be trivial. Doh...ah well, it's only cosmetic. -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg04796/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: grep: Command not found when starting tcsh
* Harold L Hunt II [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-01-16 09:11:29 -0500]: Let that be a lesson to you: nobody uses tcsh :) OI! Oh wait, I don't use tcsh any more. Never mind. :) -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg04797/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ssh and xsessioning know-how
* - [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-01-16 23:50:35 -0500]: 1-c:\ dos prompt 2-entered c:\cygwin\bin 3-typed bash --login -i in dos box: me@localmachine 4-xinit 5-xterm window: typed 'ssh -l username -XC domainname' 6-fun: now i'm [EMAIL PROTECTED] at remote domain and can fire up 'startkde' or 'gnome-session', or any other window manager available remotely... That's a bit of a roundabout way to do it...why not just make a shortcut to c:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin\startxwin.bat? my question is if there's a way to pass username, password and domain name with a startup script so i don't have to be prompted (starting right after local login with bash)? To preload the username, you need to create ~/.ssh/config and specify the User option. As for not prompting for the password, to do that you'll need to create a RSA/DSA key pair and use ssh-agent. Check out the following manpages for this stuff: man ssh_config man ssh-keygen man ssh-agent i'm pretty new to this and i'm definitely no expert, i'm sure someone has the answer to this; i'm also thinking its possible that a clean xterm can be requested to be opened from the remote side: a shell with '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' after ssh has successfully logged me in without prompting me. (after it has run in the background while starting up with the local X-server) You certainly could type xterm and have it run...as for doing it automatically, you might find that running X applications automatically on login is more trouble than it's worth. ;) If you want to, though, I would imagine you could put xterm in your ~/.bash_login or whatever. i don't want to depend on any window driver wrappers for ssh. and as you may know the danger of doing this...if i start kde or gnome, i can't kill this xterm box without closing up all of kde or gnome in one shot... Well of course, that's because the ssh client is forwarding the port that those applications are using...kill ssh and you kill the port forwarding. -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg04803/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 70
* Harold L Hunt II [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-01-12 14:53:55 -0500]: 1) EXPERIMENTAL: New multiwindow mode (invoked with the Windows NT Workstation 4.0 SP6a with IE 5.5 works great. Just an FYI. -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg04667/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Server Test 70
* J S [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-01-13 10:21:57 +]: I've also had the same problem at work, on Windows 2000: Just for grins, does it still do it when you use the startup batch file? c:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\bin\startxwin.bat (or similar, of course) -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg04669/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] xwinclip Test 08 (Cygwin/XFree86 and Windows clipboard integration)
* Harold L Hunt II [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-01-12 21:20:30 -0500]: I just posted Test 08 to the xwinclip development page: By the way, in this new version, whenever I select something (in an xterm), the following text gets printed to the terminal at the cursor position: electionNotify - Reasserted ownership of ATOM: PRIMARY Is this normal? -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg04675/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] xwinclip Test 08 (Cygwin/XFree86 and Windows clipboard integration)
* Jeremy Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-01-13 13:34:26 +]: Can you download the TEST07 version from xfree.cygwin.com and test that (you'll need to set DISPLAY=ww.xx.yy.zz:0). If it doesn't give those messages then let me know. Test06 does not Test07 and Test08 do Windows NT Workstation 4.0 Service Pack 6a with IE 5.5 -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg04685/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Windows Manager
* Mart?n De Marchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-12-19 14:42:36 +]: Is -rootless a XWin.exe parameter? Yes. -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg04523/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Xwinclip
* Keith D. Tyler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-12-16 13:55:52 -0500]: ...but I heaviliy use a proprietary product which does not do normal cut and paste (from what I can tell, I don't know the details) because of the special conditions of the objects being handled. Yes, yes, we all use Windows, what's your point? :) (Sorry, couldn't resist. :p) -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg04506/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Rootless mode
* David Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-12-12 10:03:53 +0200]: Kensuke, Harold, I was just wondering whether it would be possible to create a test build of the X server with this multi-window mode. Obviously there are issues with it but I presume they only come up in multi-window mode? It would just be really nice to see it beginning to work - this is something lots of people have wanted for a long time, congratulations for getting it going! I wholeheartedly second that; either a test build, or perhaps some instructions on how to take the patch(es) you supplied and build a modified version using the existing Cygwin tools. Is this just a matter of building a modified version of the XWin.exe binary and replacing my current XWin -rootless line with XWin2 -multiwindow in the startx script? I think a lot of us non-programmers would be willing to become beta testers and/or bug reporters if we could get our foot in the door. :) Also, someone else suggested making the actual Cygwin/XFree86 control window (is that the right term?) minimize to the system tray rather than the taskbar; I think this would be a good idea too... -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg04456/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Rootless mode
* Kensuke Matsuzaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-12-12 21:10:54 +0900]: To build XWin.exe, please read http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/cg/cygwin-xfree-cg.html I should have figured that out without being told, sorry. I'm now getting the source via CVS. There sure is a lot of it; I hope x86 is still a standard architecture when it finishes. :p The patch can be applied as shown in the following command $pwd ~/x-devel/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xwin $bunzip2 rootless.patch.bz2 $patch -p1 rootless.patch I edited xc/config/cf/cygwin.rules to disable version controlled .dll, but is it right? I don't understand this question. If you're asking if a change you made causes your instructions to break, I'll let you know when I try them. When I get a modified version of XWin.exe out of this process, can other people just download it and drop it in to their own Cygwin installs? (presumably they would back up their current XWin.exe first) Let me know...if this is the case, I'll put my modified version online somewhere for people who don't have the patience/bandwidth/disk space to build their own. After the patch is applied, do I just go back up to the root directory and run make? Then find the built XWin.exe and copy it over to the directory where the current one lives? -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg04463/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Rootless mode
* Harold L Hunt II [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-12-12 11:24:25 -0500]: Please do not release your own test version. As I said, I am waiting for the repeating window movement to be looked into and possibly fixed. I do not wish to get lots of duplicate bug reports for such an obvious bug. If Kensuke says it doesn't happen with his version, then I will rebuild mine and try it again. OK; sorry, I guess I got a little ahead of myself. I'm one of those people that's been waiting for a Windows-as-window-manager X server for a long time, so I was excited. :) -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg04473/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
