Re: Alt-Esc works, why can't we pass Alt-Tab to the WM?
Igor, Huh... well, if it requires a keyboard hook then it really is kinda complex to add this Alt-Tab catching behavior. As far as adding a keyboard/mouse hook in general, I am kinda stuck on that one. I can't decide if it is better to build a small DLL with Visual Studio with a defined interface that XWin.exe uses (if it can load the DLL), or if it is better (or even a good idea) to try to build a small hook DLL with MinGW. Any comments? Harold Igor Pechtchanski wrote: On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Sam Edge wrote: Igor Pechtchanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED] in gmane.os.cygwin.xfree on Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:26:44 -0400 (EDT): On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: There is the possibility that Alt+Tab can only be trapped on NT-based OSes, but that isn't much more to worry about. Win98, at least, has a Misc tab in shortcut properties, that lists Windows shortcut keys to ignore (let the application handle). Alt-Tab is one of them. Thus, you could instruct the users set up a shortcut to XWin.exe and let it handle Alt-Tab, even if XWin.exe can't capture it itself. P.S. I'm not sure Win95/ME have this feature. I think you'll find that the Misc property page is only available with shortcuts to DOS-mode applications. Windows-native executables like XWin.exe don't have it. Yes, you're right. However, after some more digging, it seems that keyboard hooks (perhaps similar to what Harold suggested earlier?) *can* be used on Win9x to intercept hotkeys (e.g., Alt-Tab) in Win32 apps. I haven't found the exact instructions on MSDN, though... Igor
Re: Alt-Esc works, why can't we pass Alt-Tab to the WM?
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Sam Edge wrote: Igor Pechtchanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED] in gmane.os.cygwin.xfree on Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:26:44 -0400 (EDT): On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: There is the possibility that Alt+Tab can only be trapped on NT-based OSes, but that isn't much more to worry about. Win98, at least, has a Misc tab in shortcut properties, that lists Windows shortcut keys to ignore (let the application handle). Alt-Tab is one of them. Thus, you could instruct the users set up a shortcut to XWin.exe and let it handle Alt-Tab, even if XWin.exe can't capture it itself. P.S. I'm not sure Win95/ME have this feature. I think you'll find that the Misc property page is only available with shortcuts to DOS-mode applications. Windows-native executables like XWin.exe don't have it. Yes, you're right. However, after some more digging, it seems that keyboard hooks (perhaps similar to what Harold suggested earlier?) *can* be used on Win9x to intercept hotkeys (e.g., Alt-Tab) in Win32 apps. I haven't found the exact instructions on MSDN, though... Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! I have since come to realize that being between your mentor and his route to the bathroom is a major career booster. -- Patrick Naughton
Re: Alt-Esc works, why can't we pass Alt-Tab to the WM?
Igor Pechtchanski wrote: Yes, you're right. However, after some more digging, it seems that keyboard hooks (perhaps similar to what Harold suggested earlier?) *can* be used on Win9x to intercept hotkeys (e.g., Alt-Tab) in Win32 apps. I haven't found the exact instructions on MSDN, though... Igor Wouldn't the vnc / tightvnc win32 servers have an example of this hook? Since their full-screen mode does intercept those keys. In fact, the only key they make available to escape the vnc session is Ctrl-ESC. All others are sent down the vnc path. Would it be ethical (or within license) to borrow that code? /* joakim */
Re: Alt-Esc works, why can't we pass Alt-Tab to the WM?
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Joakim Erdfelt wrote: Igor Pechtchanski wrote: Yes, you're right. However, after some more digging, it seems that keyboard hooks (perhaps similar to what Harold suggested earlier?) *can* be used on Win9x to intercept hotkeys (e.g., Alt-Tab) in Win32 apps. I haven't found the exact instructions on MSDN, though... Igor Wouldn't the vnc / tightvnc win32 servers have an example of this hook? Since their full-screen mode does intercept those keys. In fact, the only key they make available to escape the vnc session is Ctrl-ESC. All others are sent down the vnc path. Would it be ethical (or within license) to borrow that code? /* joakim */ Actually, I did eventually find an example on MSDN that it would be perfectly ethical to borrow from, IMO: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/0700/Win32/. Harold also posted an example of a keyboard hook a while ago -- the only question was whether this will work on Win9x, and the MSDN example seems to suggest that it will. Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! I have since come to realize that being between your mentor and his route to the bathroom is a major career booster. -- Patrick Naughton
Alt-Esc works, why can't we pass Alt-Tab to the WM?
I've noticed numerous threads regarding the use of Alt-Tab switching in XFree86... to summarize, people say that passing Alt-Tab through to the WM would result in users not being able to get back to windows from full-screen mode. However, both Alt-Esc and Ctrl-Esc will bring you back into the windows interface. So I don't see why Alt-Tab being OPTIONALLY disabled is an issue. Could someone please enlighten me?
Re: Alt-Esc works, why can't we pass Alt-Tab to the WM?
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: There is the possibility that Alt+Tab can only be trapped on NT-based OSes, but that isn't much more to worry about. Harold, Win98, at least, has a Misc tab in shortcut properties, that lists Windows shortcut keys to ignore (let the application handle). Alt-Tab is one of them. Thus, you could instruct the users set up a shortcut to XWin.exe and let it handle Alt-Tab, even if XWin.exe can't capture it itself. Igor P.S. I'm not sure Win95/ME have this feature. On Wed, 2 Jul 2003, Harold L Hunt II wrote: Steven, There's not going to be much action on this until someone implements it. It wouldn't take much coding (10 lines, maybe). There is the possibility that Alt+Tab can only be trapped on NT-based OSes, but that isn't much more to worry about. Harold Steven Hurd wrote: I've noticed numerous threads regarding the use of Alt-Tab switching in XFree86... to summarize, people say that passing Alt-Tab through to the WM would result in users not being able to get back to windows from full-screen mode. However, both Alt-Esc and Ctrl-Esc will bring you back into the windows interface. So I don't see why Alt-Tab being OPTIONALLY disabled is an issue. Could someone please enlighten me? -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Igor Pechtchanski, Ph.D. '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! I have since come to realize that being between your mentor and his route to the bathroom is a major career booster. -- Patrick Naughton
