Re: KDE (or gnome)
Hello! I am sorry to (maybe) destroy your enthusiasm but from my point of view there are some more reasons for not running either gnome or kde on cygwin: The main thing is: they are very large packages and even on my linux box they are that slow, that I prefer just using icewm as window manager and only have kde and gnome installed in case some application needs the libraries. If I start to compare cygwin running under win98 I really can not advise you to run kde or gnome - maybe on NT kernel based machines that is different. Cygwin is (and here the developers have made a real good job - Thanks!) a very good tool if you want to run applications like nedit (which is my favourite editor) and other basic unix routines I really miss under windows - but as any Operating system running on top of another one - it has it`s speed limitations. Another great usage for cygwin is to use it for running xdm sessions or if you have to do admin work on a unix box over the network (it has ssh, sftp and all the other nice tools which windooze does not have). So for me (personal opinion) it is a great (and long expected) extension to that operating systems from Redmond which I am forced to use some times... By the way: I would not even use kde or gnome with linux - but that is MY personal opinion about it. Please do not kill me for it! So again: Thanks to all the developers! Regards, Uwe
Re: KDE (or gnome)
Hi, under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon you create a string value named Shell, and you put what you want in it (cmd.exe for example). May be it could be used to load CygWin ? I haven't tried it that way. CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-ooO(_)Ooo-\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . |CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel: +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax: +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ) . \---/ .(_) (_) - Original Message - From: Stuart Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Splatter van Upchuck ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'cygx ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:21 AM Subject: RE: KDE (or gnome) From: Splatter van Upchuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] What else runs under XFree then? My windows development environment (for Win32 code, not cygwin code). I use Icewm for my window manager, Vi (vim) is my editor of choice, gnu make is much better that nmake that ships with visual studio. You can always invoke win32 apps from cygwin (some even appear on my icewm tool bar). If you want a web browser, office apps etc then you may as well just use the native windows one - they work well. Cygwin comes in when I want a sane development environment, a nice shell (bash or cmd.exe - hum, tough choice ;)) and that feeling that I'm working with and not fighting against my environment. Xfree86 also makes a good Xterminal for unix machines. With a few of the patches that have gone in over the last month and native clipboard support coming soon (if I knew how to hook into the XEvent queue then merging xwinclip and Xwin would be high on my list of things to do) it's very usable and free (unlike eXceed, XWin32 etc). Here's a question - can I stop windows from loading explorer on startup and get it to load Xfree86 instead? I know you could do this under Win95 - is it still possible under 2000 ? Stuart
Re: KDE (or gnome)
Hi, it replaces explorer.exe (which is not lauched at all with this key present). In my example (cmd.exe), you just have a CMD window. It's really usefull if your explorer is causing trouble a startup. CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-ooO(_)Ooo-\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . |CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel: +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax: +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ) . \---/ .(_) (_) - Original Message - From: Sylvain Petreolle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Francis VIVAT [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stuart Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Splatter van Upchuck ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'cygx ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: Re: KDE (or gnome) is the program that is named here laucnhed after winnt logon or is it replacing it ? HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon you create a string value named Shell, and you put what you want in it (cmd.exe for example). May be it could be used to load CygWin ? I haven't tried it that way. CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-ooO(_)Ooo-\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . |CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel: +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax: +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ) . \---/ .(_) (_) - Original Message - From: Stuart Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Splatter van Upchuck ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'cygx ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:21 AM Subject: RE: KDE (or gnome) From: Splatter van Upchuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] What else runs under XFree then? My windows development environment (for Win32 code, not cygwin code). I use Icewm for my window manager, Vi (vim) is my editor of choice, gnu make is much better that nmake that ships with visual studio. You can always invoke win32 apps from cygwin (some even appear on my icewm tool bar). If you want a web browser, office apps etc then you may as well just use the native windows one - they work well. Cygwin comes in when I want a sane development environment, a nice shell (bash or cmd.exe - hum, tough choice ;)) and that feeling that I'm working with and not fighting against my environment. Xfree86 also makes a good Xterminal for unix machines. With a few of the patches that have gone in over the last month and native clipboard support coming soon (if I knew how to hook into the XEvent queue then merging xwinclip and Xwin would be high on my list of things to do) it's very usable and free (unlike eXceed, XWin32 etc). Here's a question - can I stop windows from loading explorer on startup and get it to load Xfree86 instead? I know you could do this under Win95 - is it still possible under 2000 ? Stuart ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com
Re: KDE (or gnome)
Il me semble que c'est une dll qui gere ca (msgina.dll). Mais la, tu vas changer pour tous les utilisateurs. Il existe des remplacement de cette DLL avec des ajouts. Par contre, si tu veux changer le logon pour avoir le logon Unix a la place ... ce n'est pas tout a fait gagne ;-) A+ . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-ooO(_)Ooo-\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . |CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel: +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax: +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ) . \---/ .(_) (_) - Original Message - From: Sylvain Petreolle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Francis VIVAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'cygx ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: Re: KDE (or gnome) ceci dit, si je veux me débarasser du logon Winnt classique, y a t il un moyen ? (je n'arrive pas encore à cerner le role de explorer.exe par rapport au login sur la machine.) --- Francis VIVAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Hi, it replaces explorer.exe (which is not lauched at all with this key present). In my example (cmd.exe), you just have a CMD window. It's really usefull if your explorer is causing trouble a startup. CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-ooO(_)Ooo-\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . |CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel: +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax: +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ) . \---/ .(_) (_) ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com
Re: KDE (or gnome)
Neither Gnome nor KDE on Cygwin are ready for newbies yet. They are very preliminary packages. You have to really know what you are doing to get either of them working. I recommend that you just be happy with looking at KDE and Gnome on your friend's linux boxes. Harold
RE: KDE (or gnome)
You have to keep replies to the mailing list. Someone on the list probably can explain this better than I. (And how would my time better be spent, developing features or answering simple questions that take a lot of writing? :) Harold -Original Message- From: Splatter van Upchuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 7:09 PM To: Harold L Hunt Subject: Re: KDE (or gnome) What else runs under XFree then? I can't figure that looking at a couple of terminal sessions and XClock constitutes the entire XFree86 experience under cygwin surely? Or does it??? Neither Gnome nor KDE on Cygwin are ready for newbies yet. They are very preliminary packages. You have to really know what you are doing to get either of them working. laughter Well, I had a hankering to actually wind up with a 'desktop' believe it or not :-) Although I have one technically speaking, there's absolutely nothing on it as I said above...so what am I missing Harold??? I recommend that you just be happy with looking at KDE and Gnome on your friend's linux boxes. I could use just a *little* help here..y'know..pointers in the right direction? Else what is the point of cygwin to begin with...aside from the avowed intent of allowing programmers to port stuff over from one environment to anothersurely that's not the only reason for cygwins' existence Thanks for the response Haroldbut please suggest ideas, I don't mind doing a ton of reading and trying to make something work. -Splat
