Re: Keyboard autorepeat settings [Was: Updated: XFree86-xserv-4.3.0-22]
Harold L Hunt II wrote: Cary, Cary Jamison wrote: It seems to me that what is being asked for is that XKB support is kept but its default configuration (delay, repeat rate, etc.) is whatever Windows is currently set to. I think this makes very good since - if I really want a repeat rate different for X applications I can configure it, otherwise it should be the same as it is on all my other Windows apps. From the above comments it looks like Alexander understood this but Harold thought everyone was asking to remove XKB support and go back to using Windows autorepeat. Forgive me if I misread you, Harold. I think you hit the nail on the head. People are asking for XKB to handle the generation of autorepeat key events, but for it to grab its default settings from the Windows autorepeat settings? Is that what is going on here? Yes, that was the original nature of my request. Forgive me for not being clear enough. I didn't understand the underlaying consequences to explain it better. Zbynek -- http://zw.matfyz.cz/ http://robotika.cz/ Faculty of Mathematics and Physics, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic
Re: Keyboard autorepeat settings [Was: Updated: XFree86-xserv-4.3.0-22]
It is my mistake that silently changing the default behaviour. I apologize and add some comments to show my intention. Harold L Hunt II wrote: It might be nice, but the Windows autorepeat caused problems with systems running in Japanese... so they need the XKB autorepeat functionality, since the Windows autorepeat needs to be disabled for them. The Windows autorepeat is not crucial to Japanese language handling. Disabling it was a part of the patch to improve mode key states synchronization. Sorry for confusing you, Harold. I disabled it for the two reasons below: 1) Having both Windows and XKB autorepeat breaks the state synchronization. For example, if we press Caps Lock for a while, Windows toggles the state exactly once but XKB repeatedly toggles the state since it receives many KeyPress events generated by Windows autorepeat. 2) Having two schemes for autorepeat looks not so good as Harold said. Adoption of XKB layer is just my choice. Because we are using an X server, it is natural for me to configure it using X Window's manner (i.e. xset). Please consider keymaps; we set keymaps via xmodmap, setxkbmap and/or XF86Config file -- all those are X Window's manner. Anyway, now we seem to find a better solution to get default values from Windows and enable Windows autorepeat if XKB is disabled. It looks that Alexander is implementing the features, is it right? I really appreciate him. Takuma Murakami ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Keyboard autorepeat settings [Was: Updated: XFree86-xserv-4.3.0-22]
Jack Tanner wrote: Alexander Gottwald wrote: If this is the case I can add code to use the windows default autorepeat settings to configure Xwin. But this will again change the old behavior of Xwin and some users might be unhappy with it. It would be consistent with other behavior to get autorepeat settings from Windows, not from X settings. For example, we try to use the Windows language settings, right? Sort of... it isn't quite that cut and dried. Besides, we have been using *both* X autorepeat and Windows autorepeat until recently. This was not a good solution. Since Xwin is a Windows application, there's little reason for it to have its own autorepeat configuration. It might be nice, but the Windows autorepeat caused problems with systems running in Japanese... so they need the XKB autorepeat functionality, since the Windows autorepeat needs to be disabled for them. So, we can't just remove XKB support or disable it permanently... it is required by some non-U.S. users. It may seems like we are being indecisive here... but there are really a lot of concerns that need to be considered in order to get a correct solution. Harold
Re: Keyboard autorepeat settings [Was: Updated: XFree86-xserv-4.3.0-22]
Harold L Hunt II wrote: It might be nice, but the Windows autorepeat caused problems with systems running in Japanese... so they need the XKB autorepeat functionality, since the Windows autorepeat needs to be disabled for them. Huh. Not that I'm completely amazed, but it seems strange that Windows would be unable to handle Japanese keyboards. Is this an underlying Windows bug? Perhaps there's some workaround from Microsoft? -JT
Re: Keyboard autorepeat settings [Was: Updated: XFree86-xserv-4.3.0-22]
Harold L Hunt II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jack Tanner wrote: Alexander Gottwald wrote: If this is the case I can add code to use the windows default autorepeat settings to configure Xwin. But this will again change the old behavior of Xwin and some users might be unhappy with it. It would be consistent with other behavior to get autorepeat settings from Windows, not from X settings. For example, we try to use the Windows language settings, right? Sort of... it isn't quite that cut and dried. Besides, we have been using *both* X autorepeat and Windows autorepeat until recently. This was not a good solution. Since Xwin is a Windows application, there's little reason for it to have its own autorepeat configuration. It might be nice, but the Windows autorepeat caused problems with systems running in Japanese... so they need the XKB autorepeat functionality, since the Windows autorepeat needs to be disabled for them. So, we can't just remove XKB support or disable it permanently... it is required by some non-U.S. users. It seems to me that what is being asked for is that XKB support is kept but its default configuration (delay, repeat rate, etc.) is whatever Windows is currently set to. I think this makes very good since - if I really want a repeat rate different for X applications I can configure it, otherwise it should be the same as it is on all my other Windows apps. From the above comments it looks like Alexander understood this but Harold thought everyone was asking to remove XKB support and go back to using Windows autorepeat. Forgive me if I misread you, Harold. It may seems like we are being indecisive here... but there are really a lot of concerns that need to be considered in order to get a correct solution. Harold Cary
Re: Keyboard autorepeat settings [Was: Updated: XFree86-xserv-4.3.0-22]
Cary, Cary Jamison wrote: It seems to me that what is being asked for is that XKB support is kept but its default configuration (delay, repeat rate, etc.) is whatever Windows is currently set to. I think this makes very good since - if I really want a repeat rate different for X applications I can configure it, otherwise it should be the same as it is on all my other Windows apps. From the above comments it looks like Alexander understood this but Harold thought everyone was asking to remove XKB support and go back to using Windows autorepeat. Forgive me if I misread you, Harold. I think you hit the nail on the head. People are asking for XKB to handle the generation of autorepeat key events, but for it to grab its default settings from the Windows autorepeat settings? Is that what is going on here? Harold
