Re: Vista, new install, x server does not start, startxwin.bat missing
On 19/02/2010 15:40, Dr. M. C. Nelson wrote: I just did a fresh install on Vista, and confirmed the following 1) From an administrator account, it works out-of-the-box. Beautiful. 2) From a regular user account, clicking the x-server or shell icons, produces a UAC prompt. The behavior, without changing anything whatsoever from the installed state, is that the regular user cannot run x or the bash shell console window without first entering a password for an administrator account. If you can't start the bash shell (in a windows console or mintty window or whatever), then your problem isn't X specific, so I suggest you raise it on the main cygwin list. From the way you describe it, it sounds like you are getting a UAC prompt just to start these executables, rather than from anything they are trying to do? (although, from my recollection, the 'details' provided in a UAC prompt is some UUID, exactly how one is supposed to decode that to determine what action was taken which requires privilege, I don't know...) -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Vista, new install, x server does not start, startxwin.bat missing
On 18/02/2010 03:38, Dr. M. C. Nelson wrote: And that is the problem (server, shell and xterm have to run as administrator). Even if the programs are set to run at elevated privilege, they will still throw up a UAC dialog, and the user will have to type in an administrator password. I think, as I said before, that this is Vista 'functioning as designed'. If you set an application to run as administrator, you will get a UAC prompt. If you tell us what the problems are with the programs which cause them to require administrator privileges, then perhaps we can fix them. -- Jon TURNEY Volunteer Cygwin/X X Server maintainer -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
RE: Vista, new install, x server does not start, startxwin.bat missing
I just did a fresh install on Vista, and confirmed the following 1) From an administrator account, it works out-of-the-box. Beautiful. 2) From a regular user account, clicking the x-server or shell icons, produces a UAC prompt. The behavior, without changing anything whatsoever from the installed state, is that the regular user cannot run x or the bash shell console window without first entering a password for an administrator account. Q.E.D. -Original Message- From: cygwin-xfree-ow...@cygwin.com [mailto:cygwin-xfree-ow...@cygwin.com] On Behalf Of Jon TURNEY Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:10 AM To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Vista, new install, x server does not start, startxwin.bat missing On 18/02/2010 03:38, Dr. M. C. Nelson wrote: And that is the problem (server, shell and xterm have to run as administrator). Even if the programs are set to run at elevated privilege, they will still throw up a UAC dialog, and the user will have to type in an administrator password. I think, as I said before, that this is Vista 'functioning as designed'. If you set an application to run as administrator, you will get a UAC prompt. If you tell us what the problems are with the programs which cause them to require administrator privileges, then perhaps we can fix them. -- Jon TURNEY Volunteer Cygwin/X X Server maintainer -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Vista, new install, x server does not start, startxwin.bat missing
Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: On 17/02/2010 18:59, Scott Fordin wrote: FWIW, I've found that, under Vista, I have to run the Cygwin X server, bash shell, and xterm as Administrator for everything to work. There is nothing about the X server that requires Administrator privileges. I run W7 with the default UAC settings and I never see a prompt. Dunno. I can only get it to work on Vista if I run it as Administrator. Maybe UAC in Windows 7 differs somehow from UAC in Vista? Scott Yaakov Cygwin/X -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Vista, new install, x server does not start, startxwin.bat missing
Dr. M. C. Nelson mcnelson at materialintelligencellc.com writes: We installed cygwin/x on a new acer laptop (vista). The X server does not start from the icon, and the x server does not start from the command line startx The batch script startxwin.bat is not present. The cygcheck and var log files are attached. Thank you M. C. Nelson Attachment (cygcheck.out): application/octet-stream, 37 KiB Attachment (setup.log): application/octet-stream, 177 KiB Attachment (setup.log.full): application/octet-stream, 9 KiB Attachment (XWin.0.log): application/octet-stream, 698 bytes -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/ I found that using the (1 year old) startxwin.bat is easier than trying to figure out how to get startwin.exe with a $HOME/.startxwinrc file after trying to do the latter, because I would get wmaker warning: wrong option value for key NewStyle. Should be one of new, old, next wmaker warning: wrong option value for key NewStyle. Should be one of new, old, next wmaker fatal error: it seems that there is already a window manager running when trying to use a $HOME/.startxwinrc equivalent to the old startxwin.bat: $ cat .startxwinrc #!/bin/sh export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 CYGWIN_ROOT= RUN=$CYGWIN_ROOT/bin/run -p /usr/bin export PATH=.:$CYGWIN_ROOT/bin:$CYGWIN_ROOT/usr/sbin:$CYGWIN_ROOT/usr/bin:CR $CYGWIN_ROOT/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH export XAPPLRESDIR= export XCMSDB= export XKEYSYMDB= export XNLSPATH= XWin -clipboard -silent-dup-error xterm -sb -sl 5000 -bg grey -fg black -font 7x14bold wmaker This probably goes against the grain but here is the startxwin.bat that *does* work for me, and successfully starts a WindowMaker window manager: (Had to break lines longer than 80 chars, I indicated this with CR below.) @echo off SET DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 REM REM The path in the CYGWIN_ROOT environment variable assignment assume REM that Cygwin is installed in a directory called 'cygwin' in the root REM directory of the current drive. You will only need to modify REM CYGWIN_ROOT if you have installed Cygwin in another directory. For REM example, if you installed Cygwin in \foo\bar\baz\cygwin, you will need REM to change \cygwin to \foo\bar\baz\cygwin. REM REM This batch file will almost always be run from the same drive (and REM directory) as the drive that contains Cygwin/X, therefore you will REM not need to add a drive letter to CYGWIN_ROOT. For example, you do REM not need to change \cygwin to c:\cygwin if you are running this REM batch file from the C drive. REM SET CYGWIN_ROOT=\cygwin SET RUN=%CYGWIN_ROOT%\bin\run -p /usr/bin SET PATH=.;%CYGWIN_ROOT%\bin;%CYGWIN_ROOT%\usr\sbin;CR %CYGWIN_ROOT%\usr\bin;%CYGWIN_ROOT%\usr\X11R6\bin;%PATH% SET XAPPLRESDIR= SET XCMSDB= SET XKEYSYMDB= SET XNLSPATH= REM REM Cleanup after last run. REM if not exist %CYGWIN_ROOT%\tmp\.X11-unix\X0 goto CLEANUP-FINISH attrib -s %CYGWIN_ROOT%\tmp\.X11-unix\X0 del %CYGWIN_ROOT%\tmp\.X11-unix\X0 :CLEANUP-FINISH if exist %CYGWIN_ROOT%\tmp\.X11-unix rmdir %CYGWIN_ROOT%\tmp\.X11-unix REM REM The error Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' is REM caused by using a DOS mode mount for the mount that the Cygwin/X REM fonts are accessed through. See the Cygwin/X FAQ for more REM information: REM http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html#q-error-font-eof REM if %OS% == Windows_NT goto OS_NT REM Windows 95/98/Me echo startxwin.bat - Starting on Windows 95/98/Me goto STARTUP :OS_NT REM Windows NT/2000/XP/2003 echo startxwin.bat - Starting on Windows NT/2000/XP/2003 :STARTUP REM Description of XWin-specific options is in XWin(1) manpage. REM REM Startup the programs REM REM Startup the X Server with the integrated Windows-based window manager. REM WARNING: Do not use 'xwinclip' in conjunction with the ``-clipboard'' REM command-line parameter for XWin. Doing so would start two clipboard REM managers, which is never supposed to happen. REM %RUN% XWin -multiwindow -clipboard -silent-dup-error %RUN% XWin -clipboard -silent-dup-error REM Startup an xterm, using bash as the shell. REM %RUN% xterm -e /usr/bin/bash -l %RUN% xterm -sb -sl 5000 -bg grey -fg black -font 7x14bold REM REM Startup the twm window manager. REM WARNING: Do not use an external window manager in conjunction with REM the ``-multiwindow'' command-line parameter for XWin. Doing so REM would start two window managers, which is never supposed to happen. REM REM %RUN% twm RUN% wmaker REM Set a background color. Only needed when not using -multwindow for XWin. REM %RUN% xsetroot -solid aquamarine4 Hope this helps. Jim Olson -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation:
Re: Vista, new install, x server does not start, startxwin.bat missing
On 17/02/2010 08:42, Jim Olson wrote: I found that using the (1 year old) startxwin.bat is easier than trying to figure out how to get startwin.exe with a $HOME/.startxwinrc file after trying to do the latter, because I would get wmaker warning: wrong option value for key NewStyle. Should be one of new, old, next wmaker warning: wrong option value for key NewStyle. Should be one of new, old, next wmaker fatal error: it seems that there is already a window manager running That's because startxwin with ~/.startxwinrc is for starting the X server in *multiwindow* mode. If you want to start an X desktop, you need to be using startx with ~/.xinitrc. when trying to use a $HOME/.startxwinrc equivalent to the old startxwin.bat: The old startxwin.bat served the same purpose and obviously did not start another window manager. You may have customized your copy at some point, but it was never shipped that way. Yaakov Cygwin/X -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Vista, new install, x server does not start, startxwin.bat missing
FWIW, I've found that, under Vista, I have to run the Cygwin X server, bash shell, and xterm as Administrator for everything to work. Scott Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: On 17/02/2010 08:42, Jim Olson wrote: I found that using the (1 year old) startxwin.bat is easier than trying to figure out how to get startwin.exe with a $HOME/.startxwinrc file after trying to do the latter, because I would get wmaker warning: wrong option value for key NewStyle. Should be one of new, old, next wmaker warning: wrong option value for key NewStyle. Should be one of new, old, next wmaker fatal error: it seems that there is already a window manager running That's because startxwin with ~/.startxwinrc is for starting the X server in *multiwindow* mode. If you want to start an X desktop, you need to be using startx with ~/.xinitrc. when trying to use a $HOME/.startxwinrc equivalent to the old startxwin.bat: The old startxwin.bat served the same purpose and obviously did not start another window manager. You may have customized your copy at some point, but it was never shipped that way. Yaakov Cygwin/X -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
RE: Vista, new install, x server does not start, startxwin.bat missing
And that is the problem (server, shell and xterm have to run as administrator). Even if the programs are set to run at elevated privilege, they will still throw up a UAC dialog, and the user will have to type in an administrator password. -Original Message- From: cygwin-xfree-ow...@cygwin.com [mailto:cygwin-xfree-ow...@cygwin.com] On Behalf Of Scott Fordin Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:00 PM To: cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com Subject: Re: Vista, new install, x server does not start, startxwin.bat missing FWIW, I've found that, under Vista, I have to run the Cygwin X server, bash shell, and xterm as Administrator for everything to work. Scott Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: On 17/02/2010 08:42, Jim Olson wrote: I found that using the (1 year old) startxwin.bat is easier than trying to figure out how to get startwin.exe with a $HOME/.startxwinrc file after trying to do the latter, because I would get wmaker warning: wrong option value for key NewStyle. Should be one of new, old, next wmaker warning: wrong option value for key NewStyle. Should be one of new, old, next wmaker fatal error: it seems that there is already a window manager running That's because startxwin with ~/.startxwinrc is for starting the X server in *multiwindow* mode. If you want to start an X desktop, you need to be using startx with ~/.xinitrc. when trying to use a $HOME/.startxwinrc equivalent to the old startxwin.bat: The old startxwin.bat served the same purpose and obviously did not start another window manager. You may have customized your copy at some point, but it was never shipped that way. Yaakov Cygwin/X -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Vista, new install, x server does not start, startxwin.bat missing
On 17/02/2010 18:59, Scott Fordin wrote: FWIW, I've found that, under Vista, I have to run the Cygwin X server, bash shell, and xterm as Administrator for everything to work. There is nothing about the X server that requires Administrator privileges. I run W7 with the default UAC settings and I never see a prompt. Yaakov Cygwin/X -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Vista, new install, x server does not start, startxwin.bat missing
I think something else might be going on. Note the following line from the log file XWin was started with the following command line: /usr/bin/X :0 -auth /home/Tattie/.serverauth.2764 The start command is being run from a user Dvorah, but the start is trying to access a file under the user Tattie. Thank you Mitch Nelson -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Vista, new install, x server does not start, startxwin.bat missing
On 03/02/2010 01:18, Dr. M. C. Nelson wrote: We installed cygwin/x on a new acer laptop (vista). The X server does not start from the icon, and the x server does not start from the command line startx The batch script startxwin.bat is not present. Don't panic about the absence of startxwin.bat. startxwin.(bat|sh) have been retired in favour of a shiny new startxwin.exe [1] in an effort to make... X server startup more reliable :-) I've finally got around to updating the Cygwin/X User Guide [2] to take note of this fact [1] http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree-announce/2009-12/msg5.html [2] http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ug/using.html -- Jon TURNEY Volunteer Cygwin/X X Server maintainer -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: Vista, new install, x server does not start, startxwin.bat missing
On 02/02/2010 08:18 PM, Dr. M. C. Nelson wrote: We installed cygwin/x on a new acer laptop (vista). The X server does not start from the icon, and the x server does not start from the command line startx Your XWin.0.log file indicates that the server is already started. This means the server is: 1. Already started. 2. Colliding with another server on the same ports (6000) 3. Blocked by a firewall. 'netstat' can be used to help you diagnose (2) if (1) and (3) aren't the problem. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
