Re: modification of startx.bat not work
Am Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:40:51 -0400 (EDT) schrieb Igor Peshansky: On Wed, 26 Jul 2006, Dirk Schleicher wrote: Am Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:04:53 -0500 schrieb René Berber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR. Thanks. Sorry, I didn't saw it. Hope its better now. Thanks for the rest. Dirk -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: modification of startx.bat not work
Am Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:27:14 -0500 schrieb René Berber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] Your original post says that you had a network problem, can you show the actual message? no connection with POP3-Server: pop.gmx.de:110 That error has nothing to do with XWindows. So, SC was running with your modified .bat file, it just could not connect to that pop server; try regular network troubleshooting, like ping pop.gmx.de if that server responds to ping, traceroute, etc. If I start SC with the modified startx.bat there is no network. It seams that this %RUN% xterm -e /usr/bin/bash -l and then call SC make the network working. It is not easy to explain it in German but in English... This what you wrote pintg etc. is not possible to test because there is no bash. If I start a new bash ping and all work but not SC. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: modification of startx.bat not work
Am Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:04:53 -0500 schrieb René Berber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: René Berber wrote: [snip] You probably can just run a Windows shortcut to XWin with all the parameters, and use .xinitrc or .xsession to start up SC. [snip] I made a little experiment and the above sentence is not true: if I start XWindows from an icon/shortcut (using C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe -p /usr/X11R6/bin XWin -multiwindow -clipboard -silent-dup-error -dpi 100) XWin starts fine but my .xinitrc (and .xsession) is not used... XWin does not know what user started it. So to run the application I would also need an icon/shortcut for the application. I found out that the .xinitrc parameters are used with startx. I start the normal bash and type in startx. This start Xserver and SC. And SC works fine. C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe -p /usr/X11R6/bin/ startx -display 127.0.0.1:0.0 do not work because startx is a script not an .exe C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe -p /usr/local/bin/ sylpheed-claws.exe -display 127.0.0.1:0.0 start SC for a second. I can see this in the task-manager. I think it is not possible to start SC from one icon without typing something Dirk -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: modification of startx.bat not work
Am Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:10:27 +0200 schrieb Dirk Schleicher [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think it is not possible to start SC from one icon without typing something It work. I copy startx.bat to sc.bat and modify it %RUN% XWin -multiwindow -clipboard -silent-dup-error REM Startup an xterm, using bash as the shell. rem %RUN% xterm -e /usr/bin/bash -l %RUN% C:\cygwin\usr\local\bin\sylpheed-claws.exe then I make an icon with a link C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe -p /usr/X11R6/bin sc.bat and it works. Thanks for the help Dirk -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: modification of startx.bat not work
Dirk Schleicher wrote: [snip] So to run the application I would also need an icon/shortcut for the application. I found out that the .xinitrc parameters are used with startx. I start the normal bash and type in startx. This start Xserver and SC. And SC works fine. Yes that's what I meant in my message. XWin seems to get the user's home directory (perhaps only the user name) from the shell environment, so it can run the user's .xinitrc . An option that I have not tested is to change the global xinitrc and see if that works. Of course being the global one means that all users on that computer will get the same application, but if you are the only user of X then that's no problem. The global script is in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc . C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe -p /usr/X11R6/bin/ startx -display 127.0.0.1:0.0 do not work because startx is a script not an .exe Yeah, I tried that too. C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe -p /usr/local/bin/ sylpheed-claws.exe -display 127.0.0.1:0.0 start SC for a second. I can see this in the task-manager. The message must be: no DISPLAY found since X windows is not running and by default all applications try display :0.0 . I think it is not possible to start SC from one icon without typing something Like I said: it can be done with 2 icons, one to start X and another to start SC. In fact you can start all the X applications you want after starting X. Now for the network problem, that is really strange, I saw your other message and understand that you can't troubleshoot the network. I really was thinking of troubleshooting in the regular way, on a terminal window, but if only SC has problems then perhaps is a timeout or some option that can be set inside SC. -- René Berber -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: modification of startx.bat not work
Am Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:28:43 -0500 schrieb René Berber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now for the network problem, that is really strange, I saw your other message and understand that you can't troubleshoot the network. I really was thinking of troubleshooting in the regular way, on a terminal window, but if only SC has problems then perhaps is a timeout or some option that can be set inside SC. I found it. If you have a Window icon with link in property there are two lines Line on Target C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe -p /usr/X11R6/bin sc.bat Line two execute in C:\cygwin\bin (sorry I can not describe it better) If line two the path show where SC is it dit not work with path to C:\cygwin\bin\ SC work -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
RE: modification of startx.bat not work
Dirk Schleicher wrote on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:48 AM:: Am Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:16:51 -0500 schrieb René Berber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] Correct, the way XWin is started using startxwin.bat does make the whole server execution depend on the xterm, so when the xterm is closed XWin terminates. This is not true. It's startx (or rather, xinit) that closes the server on exit. You can safely remove the xterm line from startxwin.bat (or startxwin.sh) and the server just keeps going. That can be changed easily by using startx (instead of startxwin.bat) and creating a file in your home directory named .xsession like this: #!/bin/sh # # FILE: $HOME/.xsession # exec SylpheedClaws /usr/bin/sylpheed-claws scpid=$! # Now wait for program to terminate wait $scpid exit 0 I try it. The only thing is that if SC is close the Xserver close too. That's to be expected. What I try to get is one script where I can start a Xserver without any bash window and SC. Again to start this I have to start a cygwin bash shell. I like to start SC without a shell Your problem is that you're using xinit via startx. The last command executed is intended to be a window manager. It is designed so that when the window manager dies, X is shut down. This is (usually) what one wants. Unfortunately for users of startx, XWin by default uses its built-in window manager, so in order to keep X alive some other process must be started. An xterm was chosen IIRC because most users will want a shell at some point in their session. If you use startxwin.* to start X instead, you'll find it doesn't require any process to hang around. The distributed files start an xterm, but you can safely remove that line. Please don't be tempted to try hacking startxwin.* to start sylpheed. It's bad practice to use a server initialisation script to start client programs. I would guess that at least half of the fault reports on this list are from people who try to use startx* to run xterm, then complain that they get a duplicate invocation error. It's much better to use startxwin.bat to start XWin once (you can put a shortcut to startxwin.bat in your Windows startup folder), then have a shortcut to start your client programs such as sylpheed. If you want to start sylpheed without explicitly starting XWin, you can write a small script to use checkx to see if the server is running and if it isn't, start it. E.g. --- /tmp/xdemo.sh - #!/bin/bash export DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/checkx || /usr/X11R6/bin/startxwin.sh exec /usr/X11R6/bin/xeyes -- You can then run this script from a shortcut where the target is: C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe /bin/bash -c /tmp/xdemo.sh You would need to remove the line from startxwin.sh that starts xterm, which means you should really use a copy of it, otherwise the next time you update X, you'd be likely to lose your change. HTH Phil -- ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the H.E Information Systems Ltd. Tel:0161 866 9066 Web: www.heis.co.uk This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.clearswift.com ** -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: modification of startx.bat not work
I know this is a fixed issue, but some comments below nonetheless, to tie up loose ends. On Wed, 26 Jul 2006, Dirk Schleicher wrote: Am Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:04:53 -0500 schrieb René Berber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PCYMTNQREAIYR. Thanks. René Berber wrote: [snip] You probably can just run a Windows shortcut to XWin with all the parameters, and use .xinitrc or .xsession to start up SC. [snip] I made a little experiment and the above sentence is not true: if I start XWindows from an icon/shortcut (using C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe -p /usr/X11R6/bin XWin -multiwindow -clipboard -silent-dup-error -dpi 100) XWin starts fine but my .xinitrc (and .xsession) is not used... XWin does not know what user started it. Naturally -- .xinitrc and .xsession are artifacts of xinit (and startx), not XWin. So to run the application I would also need an icon/shortcut for the application. I found out that the .xinitrc parameters are used with startx. I start the normal bash and type in startx. This start Xserver and SC. And SC works fine. C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe -p /usr/X11R6/bin/ startx -display 127.0.0.1:0.0 do not work because startx is a script not an .exe Right, but C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe -p /usr/X11R6/bin/ bash --login -c startx -display 127.0.0.1:0.0 will, because bash will know how to interpret the shebang (#!) in startx and invoke the script appropriately. People often overlook this solution and declare that it's impossible to start a script from a shortcut. Or you could've used xinit, which *is* a .exe. HTH, Igor -- http://cs.nyu.edu/~pechtcha/ |\ _,,,---,,_[EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_Igor Peshansky, Ph.D. (name changed!) |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' old name: Igor Pechtchanski '---''(_/--' `-'\_) fL a.k.a JaguaR-R-R-r-r-r-.-.-. Meow! Las! je suis sot... -Mais non, tu ne l'es pas, puisque tu t'en rends compte. But no -- you are no fool; you call yourself a fool, there's proof enough in that! -- Rostand, Cyrano de Bergerac -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: modification of startx.bat not work
Am Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:55:10 -0400 schrieb Christopher Faylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I guess I don't understand what you're trying to do then. Sorry. Hi, let me try to explain it once more. At the moment I start cygwin by startx.bat. Then I have a open xterm window where I start SC. This means that I have two icons or two programs (SC and Xterm) in the taskbar (hope taskbar is the right word) of my W2k. If I close the Xterm SC will be closed too. What I try to get is one script where I can start a Xserver without any bash window and SC. More to explain I am not able with my English. Thanks for your help Best Regards Dirk -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: modification of startx.bat not work
Am Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:16:51 -0500 schrieb René Berber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [snip] Correct, the way XWin is started using startxwin.bat does make the whole server execution depend on the xterm, so when the xterm is closed XWin terminates. That can be changed easily by using startx (instead of startxwin.bat) and creating a file in your home directory named .xsession like this: #!/bin/sh # # FILE: $HOME/.xsession # exec SylpheedClaws /usr/bin/sylpheed-claws scpid=$! # Now wait for program to terminate wait $scpid exit 0 I try it. The only thing is that if SC is close the Xserver close too. What I try to get is one script where I can start a Xserver without any bash window and SC. Again to start this I have to start a cygwin bash shell. I like to start SC without a shell Your original post says that you had a network problem, can you show the actual message? no connection with POP3-Server: pop.gmx.de:110 It is not possible to start a xsever without having a shell window and to start SC? I was thinking that this is easy... Thanks for help Dirk -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: modification of startx.bat not work
Dirk Schleicher wrote: [snip] I try it. The only thing is that if SC is close the Xserver close too. Yes, that's the way it works. I mean, that's the way that the steps I showed work. [snip] Again to start this I have to start a cygwin bash shell. I like to start SC without a shell You mean start SC using an icon? like an icon to the bat file you showed... because startx is a shell script (just like startxwin.bat is a command.com script) and it does more than just start XWin. You probably can just run a Windows shortcut to XWin with all the parameters, and use .xinitrc or .xsession to start up SC. If you want XWin to stay after SC is closed then just change the wait $scpid with sleep 1d or something similar. Your original post says that you had a network problem, can you show the actual message? no connection with POP3-Server: pop.gmx.de:110 That error has nothing to do with XWindows. So, SC was running with your modified .bat file, it just could not connect to that pop server; try regular network troubleshooting, like ping pop.gmx.de if that server responds to ping, traceroute, etc. It is not possible to start a xsever without having a shell window and to start SC? I was thinking that this is easy... It probably is, I just don't use it that way, but what you describe seems possible with CygwinX. -- René Berber -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: modification of startx.bat not work
René Berber wrote: [snip] You probably can just run a Windows shortcut to XWin with all the parameters, and use .xinitrc or .xsession to start up SC. [snip] I made a little experiment and the above sentence is not true: if I start XWindows from an icon/shortcut (using C:\cygwin\bin\run.exe -p /usr/X11R6/bin XWin -multiwindow -clipboard -silent-dup-error -dpi 100) XWin starts fine but my .xinitrc (and .xsession) is not used... XWin does not know what user started it. So to run the application I would also need an icon/shortcut for the application. -- René Berber -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: modification of startx.bat not work
Am Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:57:46 -0400 schrieb Christopher Faylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You could double click on the sylpheed-claws icon after X had been started. Hello, I like to have no terminal open. I like to start SC without terminal. Only SC Dirk -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: modification of startx.bat not work
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 09:49:17PM +0200, Dirk Schleicher wrote: Am Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:57:46 -0400 schrieb Christopher Faylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You could double click on the sylpheed-claws icon after X had been started. Hello, I like to have no terminal open. I like to start SC without terminal. Only SC I guess I don't understand what you're trying to do then. Sorry. cgf -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
