Spam?

[Butch Anton]

Am I the only one on these lists (cypherpunks, coderpunks) who is bothered
by all this spam?  The signal to noise ratio is becoming asymptotic to zero,
and I for one am not too happy about that.

Shall we only allow messages from subscribed members?  Moderate?  Shut the
lists down?  Just deal?

What are folks' thoughts on this?


Dr. Butch Anton
VP of Advanced Technology, hereUare Communications, Inc.
Chair, AAA Working Group, The Open Group Mobile Management Forum
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USA.Net privacy violations

[George]

[ to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]

I was reading my email via USA.Net, and was very disturbed to find that
when I clicked on a link in an email I was sent...that you recorded my
activity!

I clicked on this link (within email sent to me):

http://www.free-market.net/spotlight/drugspeech

I clicked using button-2 (under Unix) to open a new window at that URL.

The new window had this URL-bar:


http://www.netaddress.com/tpl/Info/Popup?hidden___url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.free-market.net%2Fspotlight%2Fdrugspeech%2F

That means you have recorded my activity!

The "drug speech" article was relayed through *your* computers,
not mine. I don't appreciate this. It is none of your business
where I visit on the Net.

There is no reason for you to record this information.

Please change your coding so this doesn't happen.

It's taking the "this site is not a part of USA.Net" schtick too far.

Stay out of my email. You modified the link someone sent me.

This violates your own privacy policy.

The other 1012

[Anonymous]

Once the ratio of "criminals" vs 'criminals' reaches 340,
it will be just a matter of time before cpunks get arrested because
... whatever.


Tampa, Fla. -- A four-month effort to round up fugitive drug-trafficking
suspects netted 1,015 arrests and $1 million in seized property, federal
authorities said yesterday.

The effort, led by the Marshals Service with state and other federal
agencies, targeted suspects considered some of the most elusive. Many
were alleged high-level drug dealers from the United States and the
Caribbean who had been indicted but never were arrested or who had
jumped bail.

``They were lost for as long as they were because they are good at it,''
said U.S. Marshals Service Director John Marshall.

Among those captured were (1) an alleged drug trafficker suspected in
the deaths of two government informants; (2) an alleged marijuana
supplier accused of setting up an elaborate indoor farm; and (3) a man
charged with using drug money to provide automatic weapons to Colombian
dealers.

re: Pirates Beware: This File Will Self-Destruct

[Steve Schear]

At 10:24 PM 8/1/00 -0600, Anonymous wrote:
>While no system is perfect, Jim Hurley, an analyst with the Aberdeen 
>Group, wrote in a report on InTether that "without the ability to 
>electronically limit further redistribution of intellectual content and 
>critical business data, business executives are somewhat reluctant to 
>fully exploit the Internet.

As we have seen, it is not necessary for these parties to exploit the 
Internet others will do it for them.

steve

Morgan, verbatim.

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Finally, in what has become the most famous exchange in the [House
Banking and Currency subcommittee 1912 "money trust"] hearings' thousands
of pages of testimony, the two men returned to the question of
controlling money and credit. [Samuel] Untermyer [vocal critic of the
"money trust", committee counsel] said, "The basis of banking is credit,
is it not?"

Morgan: "Not always. that is an evidence of banking, but it is not the
money itself. Money is gold, and nothing else."

There was in 1912 a significant difference between actual metal coin and
loans represented by paper (banknotes, bonds, bills). When Morgan
repeated yet again that money could not be controlled, Untermyer asked
whether credit was not based on money -- that is, did not the big New
York banks issue loans to certain men and institutions "because it is
believed that they have the money back of them?"

Morgan: No sir. It is because people believe in the man."

Untermyer: "And he might not be worth anything?"

Morgan, with less than perfect regard for grammar: "He might not have
anything. I have known a man to come into my office, and I have given him
a check for a million dollars when they had not a cent in the world."

Untermyer: "That is not business?"

Morgan: "Yes, unfortunately, it is. I do not think it is good business,
though."

Untermyer did not, apparently, think much of this answer, for he repeated
his proposition: "Is not commercial credit based primarily on money or
property?"

Morgan: "No sir; the first thing is character."

Untermyer: "Before money or property?"

Morgan: "Before money or property or anything else. Money cannot buy it"
- -- and he elaborated, after a few more questions -- because a man I do
not trust could not get money from me on all the bonds in Christendom."


- -- From _Morgan:_American_Financier_, by Jean Strouse. Random House, New
York, 1999



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"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

Re: Reno Promises Action on Carnivore (nytimes)

[R. A. Hettinga]

At 9:13 AM -0700 on 8/4/00, jeradonah wrote:


> Attorney General Janet Reno vowed Thursday to check on why it has taken
>so long to begin the review of the FBI's Internet-wiretap system called
>Carnivore, a program that has raised privacy concerns.

"I'm shocked, simply shocked, to find gambling going on here."

"Here are your winnings."

"Thank you."


Cheers,
RAH
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"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
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experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: U.S. military poised to respond to attack on GOP convention

[Anonymous]

>PHILADELPHIA -- The U.S. Army is prepared to respond to

>disruptions ranging from civil disobedience to nuclear

>explosions at the Republican National Convention, a

>confidential government document says.



Confidential ? Is this the journalist's Newspeak ? Wired made you

write that ? 



Back to the subject - the Good News is that they are scared. One can

exhibit overwhelming force superiority only so far. One city, one

convention. Could they cover 10 cities ? I think that 4-5 simultaneous

events like this is their limit.