Re: GA-CAT-CA
At 9:25 PM -0700 9/11/00, petro wrote: RAH: But, again, I'm sure the thing was a spoof. Nope not a spoof. Heard it on NPR, and several other outlets the day it came out. I thought I remembered hearing about it as well, but I can't find anything on CNN's web site, nor on the LA Times web site. Best to go directly to search engines--let computers do the searching of various sites. I found numerous hits, with various URLs, just by entering "dna cats justice" into www.deja.com. Google probably would have worked as well. (I used deja because it picks up very recent comments which a web crawler might miss between sweeps.) --Tim May -- -:-:-:-:-:-:-: Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
Re: Voluntary Mandatory Taxes
At 4:44 AM + 9/12/00, Michael Shields wrote: In article a0431010cb5e346ed8216@[207.111.241.215], Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/13169.html "Here's something to think about - while queuing up for petrol this afternoon (yes - I confess to being a panic buyer) I worked out that OPEC is charging $30 a barrel and our government is taxing us at slightly over $150 a barrel - ouch!" $30 (now $35) is the price of a barrel of *light sweet crude*, not the price of a barrel of refined gasoline. -- Shields. The quote said nothing to the contrary. Crude results in some fraction of gasoline/petrol, and taxes are applied. His point was that the taxes are about 4-5 times the cost of the underlying petrol, which is about what it is in the U.K. (Last I heard, gas in the U.K. is about the equivalent of about $4-5 a gallon for unleaded regular.) --Tim May -- -:-:-:-:-:-:-: Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
Re: Voluntary Mandatory Taxes
Tim May wrote: "Here's something to think about - while queuing up for petrol this afternoon (yes - I confess to being a panic buyer) I worked out that OPEC is charging $30 a barrel and our government is taxing us at slightly over $150 a barrel - ouch!" this is true, and similiar pretty much all over europe. This is from the U.K., where tax policy is ahead of that of the U.S. Whilst we are (almost) ready to mcveigh the tax collectors and wipe out millions of burrowcrats, the Brits are quite sheeplike in accepting taxes which are several times the price of the underlying commodity. Germany, France, Sweden, Italy, and essentially all other European nations are similarly sheep-like in their acceptance of such taxes. sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. this is an economic puzzle, not a political one. food, clothes, tobacco, gas/petrol and a couple other things have a very unique price structure, in that the demand is pretty much independent of price - you just need so much food or tobacco or gas, no matter what it costs, and you don't have any need for more, no matter how cheap it is. it's therefore been a long-known fact that you can change prices for this stuff at will without any change in demand. the only thing stopping you is the competition. now a tax is valid for everyone, so the last stop gap is out. therefore, gas and tobacco are the two highest-taxed items here in germany, and I'm fairly sure in most of europe. why don't we complain? oh, we do (a little). :) in the end, it doesn't matter much. I don't think europeans pay much more in taxes than US citizen do, it's just distributed differently.
Re: Voluntary Mandatory Taxes
Tim May wrote: The quote said nothing to the contrary. Crude results in some fraction of gasoline/petrol, and taxes are applied. His point was that the taxes are about 4-5 times the cost of the underlying petrol, which is about what it is in the U.K. (Last I heard, gas in the U.K. is about the equivalent of about $4-5 a gallon for unleaded regular.) germany: ca. 2 marks per litre, which means $4 per gallon. give or take a little due to currency fluctuations and whatever.
Re: Voluntary Mandatory Taxes
Ray Dillinger wrote: Hmmm. It seems unfair to slap a huge tax on something if there are *laws* in place requiring people to have and use it. I'm thinking specifically of clothes, since you mentioned them. Is clothing particularly heavily taxed? not that I knew of. I included it for the *economic* argument - there are other horizonal price structure items that are not heavily taxed - food, for example. Since there are no laws requiring people to use gasoline/petrol, taxing it seems more fair to me - it at least presents people with a choice so they can pay up front (for an EV) or during the vehicle's lifetime (for taxes). Or if they are smart and fortune smiles upon them they can arrange their lives so they don't need cars. something similiar holds for tobacco. however, fact is that almost nobody reduces is driving or smoking habits if prices go up. there is a short drop in consumption, but as the shock wears off, consumption returns to normal. we're speaking a few days, at most a week or two here.
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RE: Voluntary Mandatory Taxes
Tim wrote At 10:35 AM -0700 9/12/00, Marshall Clow wrote: Refinery: 17.2 [ I'm guessing this includes raw oil costs ] Retailer:4.2 VAT:12.64 Duty: 50.89 Total 84.9 [ this is the price at the pump ] that's 74.8% tax, folks. Which is of course what the original article was saying. A nit, but "74.8% tax" may be misleading to some. It suggests a tax rate of "only" about 10 times the normal sales tax (normal in the States, for ordinary goods). In fact, the 75% is of course 75% of the final price. Or, roughly a 400% tax on the original commodity. For example, imagine a Jaguar XK8 costing $60K plus $240K in taxes. 75% in taxes would suggest 60K plus 45K. The oil situation is 400% in taxes. A nit on a nit: This is ~300% tax, not ~400%. Consider: 10 pounds worth (to the refiner/dealer) of petrol yeilds s the British government about 30 pounds of taxes. ie, 300% of the cost of the item. It's still mind-boggling that a nominally free people will put up with this kind of organized theft. Peter Welcome to statism. --Tim May
Re: GA-CAT-CA
At 9:25 PM -0700 on 9/11/00, petro wrote: including subpoenas for, apparently now, Snowball's fur... Funny you should mention Snowball... http://www.ornl.gov/hgmis/elsi/forensics.html Heh. That was my *point*, I think... :-). Cheers, RAH Who admits to listening to National People's Radio on occasion... -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
USA.net proxy: heh-heh-heh
Previously I whined that USA.net was changing the URLs in received email to proxy through their server, meaning they had logs of all URLs you visited when clicking on hyperlinks while reading your personal email. That this violates their own privacy policy. For some reason Declan failed to report it. ;-) Analog film chemicals must be affecting his judgement. New note: if you bookmark the URL in the personal email someone sent you, it bookmarks it at the USA.net address. Here is the resulting URL in the new window USA.net opens when you click on an URL in your email: http://www.netaddress.com/tpl/Info/Popup?hidden___url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2F I just tried scooping it and using it directly, trying amazon here. It worked. Anyone have direct access to their own server logs? What cookies/referrals/misc is logged on the receiving system? Continue clicking, and it's still via USA.net. It looks like a free "anonymizer" to me.
Re: USA.net proxy: heh-heh-heh
Previously I whined that USA.net was changing the URLs Who cares ? Stop whining and use encryption. Dont waste the bandwidth complaining about each and every sheeple xploiting event. Being outraged doesnt achieve shit.
Re: USA.net proxy: heh-heh-heh
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And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
[A veteran free speech activist in Cambridge, Mass. sent me this. Any offers of mirroring should go to the list, where I assume they'll be duly forwarded. I wonder how long the HTML files in question here would last on a Geocities/etc account. --Declan] --- Hi Declan, I know you're aware of the case of Curley v. NAMBLA, which has very serious First Amendment implications. Jeffrey Curley was a 10-year-old who was murdered in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in October of 1997. The parents are alleging that the murderers were driven by NAMBLA literature in general and specifically by the contents of NAMBLA's web site. After the suit was filed in May of this year, the current NAMBLA web site was taken down. Frisoli, the Curley lawyer, has been making very outrageous and false statements about what was on the web site. Because the media has no access to the site, no one can contradict him. A vicious media war is now being waged against the ACLU and other free-expression advocates for defending freedom of expression in this case. Few reporters seem even interested in finding out the contents of NAMBLA literature or the contents of the web site as of 10/97. But even if a fair-minded reporter did have this interest, he or she would be out of luck. Printed material from NAMBLA is difficult to find. Members of NAMBLA will speak to the press only under conditions of strict anonymity because they fear for their lives. And the web site is not accessible. I am not a NAMBLA member, but I believe that the First Amendment applies to them. I have obtained the web files as of 10/97. I don't wish to put them up myself for a variety of reasons. First of all, my ISP might make me take them down. Also, I am involved in another case which I don't want tarred with the NAMBLA brush. There is no court injunction against the publication of the materials. But a site outside the US might be best in any case. Anyway, if you can help me find someone to take the files and put them up, please let me know.
Re: GA-CAT-CA
At 9:25 PM -0700 9/11/00, petro wrote: RAH: But, again, I'm sure the thing was a spoof. Nope not a spoof. Heard it on NPR, and several other outlets the day it came out. I thought I remembered hearing about it as well, but I can't find anything on CNN's web site, nor on the LA Times web site. Best to go directly to search engines--let computers do the searching of various sites. I found numerous hits, with various URLs, just by entering "dna cats justice" into www.deja.com. Google probably would have worked as well. (I used deja because it picks up very recent comments which a web crawler might miss between sweeps.) I did go directly to Google, but used "cat hair dna" for the search. I didn't think of deja. -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ** Sometimes it is said that man can not be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question. -- Thomas Jefferson, 1st Inaugural
Re: DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!!!!!!
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