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Re: RISKS

[Declan McCullagh]

Carl is most certainly not an idiot. In fact, there might be a reasonable
argument for this: You're changing the defaults of a contract by specifying
what should be interpreted as reasonable authentication or not. Still,
I don't agree with it, and it's something that should be left up to the
courts, not Washingtonians and their lobbyists.

-Declan


On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 01:02:35PM -0400, Marcel Popescu wrote:
> Another idiot who wants more laws:
> 
> Date: 17 Sep 2000 19:16:23 -0700
> X-Loop: openpgp.net
> From: "Carl Ellison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Identity theft (PGN, RISKS-21.04)
> 
> I used to try to keep my SSN private -- then I realized that that's blaming
> the victim (me).  It's not the SSN holder's fault that stores and other
> institutions use improper means for authenticating people.  It's the store's
> fault.
> 
> Any information held by a credit bureau is public.  So is any information
> held by any government agency, if I'm to believe the spam I get
> occasionally.
> 
> So, that information is not acceptable for authentication -- even in person,
> but especially online.  It's not merely unacceptable when dealing with the
> credit bureau.  The credit bureau poisons the information for everyone.
> 
> Now -- how do we get consumer protection laws that make it clear that a
> consumer is not liable for any debts incurred by someone claiming to be
> him/her unless there is irrefutable authentication during registration
> (e.g., videotape of the consumer signing up for the service).  This means
> killing all issuing of credit online, by mail, by phone, etc.
> 
> Maybe I'd stop getting all those credit-card applications in the mail
> 
> [This opens a technical challenge: how can we authenticate anyone, if we
> rule
> out information that an attacker can get?]
> 
>  - Carl
> 
> ---
> All inventions or works of authorship original to me,
> herein and past, are placed irrevocably in the public
> domain, and may be used or modified for any purpose,
> without permission, attribution, or notification.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Chaumian cash redux

[R. A. Hettinga]

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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:11:35 -0700
From: 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Chaumian cash redux

At the EFF end-of-RSA ball in SF last night David Chaum stood up and
said a few enigmatic words:  "Great to be here, and what's really
important now is that we all come together and have a common approach.
I've looked at the old ecash and, (wry smile) there were a few
problems.  But I've got some ideas about how to fix it and make it
available in a way which avoids the kind of wars we've had in the past.
I had wanted to make more of an announcement tonight, but the legal
stuff is (as always) taking longer than I'd anticipated.  So,  thank
you."  [applause]



I have to believe that he's trying to "do the right thing".  After all,
he showed up at a patent-expiry party at the invite of cryptorights.org
and eff and was pal-ing around with the leadership.  My impression in
watching [...] him is that he is quite a lonely guy.  People
treat him with deference as a demi-god, but he's not really engaged with
the current "scene".




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re: superpolynomialsubexponentialruntimes

[Jeff . Hodges]

So that was a hilarious bit @ the RSA patent expiry party last night. Are you 
going to post the complete set of lyrics somewheres?

thanks,

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At 02:23 PM 9/22/00 +0100, Ken Brown wrote:

>The trouble with that use of the words (though it is the most common one
>on this list I guess) is that it defines just about every nation-state
>that ever existed as "fascist" including the so-called capitalist
>countries:  "if you don't manage it the way they want they do take it
>away" is more or less the situation in western Europe and North America
>right now. (Can anyone say "consent order"?)
>
>So we end up with words that don't really distinguish between the very
>different situations of say, the USA, & the old USSR, & Spain under
>Franco.

Most of those are "mixed economies" of course.  A fully developed fascist 
state requires that nominal versions of a market economy, wages, prices, 
profit, ownership etc. be maintained but that a full-blown command economy 
is maintained by wage and price controls and tight regulation of private 
commercial activity.

So the US is not a fascist economy (it usually scores in 5th place among 
the nations on the two Economic Freedom of lists produced by the WSJ and CATO).

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[Joost Bosland]

Could you please send me more information on the press conference of
December 20, 1944, at which according to your website
(http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.1998.07.27-1998.08.02/msg00020.html
) Roosevelt denied the existence of the Atlantic Charter? I'm looking at
this aspect of
European/American history, and if Roosevelt indeed denied this, it is worth
some further research.

Yours sincerly,

Joost Bosland
Red Cross Nordic United World College

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