Re: CDR: IP, forwarded posts, and copyright infringement
At 11:36 AM 1/10/01 -0600, Jim Choate replied to Declan's post: (Hint: U.S. copyright law does not make mere possession or archiving an offense. Try distribution, performance, etc.) Hint: WRONG. Simply possessing a paperback book that has had its cover removed as a sign of 'destroyed' status is in fact a crime. Used book stores that have them in stock can be charged accordingly. At 12:54 PM 1/10/01 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: Anyway, Jim is conflating physical control over an instantiation of IP with the rights conferred by IP law. If someone copies Microsoft Word (or a Tom Clancy novel) onto a CDROM and gives it to me, I am not liable. The paperback book example has nothing to do with intellectual property - it's about real property, the dead-tree portion of the book that's left when the bookstore mails the front cover back to the distributor for credit and claims the rest of the book has been destroyed. Somebody, I think Jim, incorrectly said this was an issue about royalties, which would be IP-related, but it's not - royalties are what the publisher pays the author when the book gets sold, while this is about what the bookstore does or doesn't pay the wholesaler when the book does or doesn't get sold. (I'm not sure which legal rules cover it - fraud, tort, conversion, maybe theft by the store, so possibly possession of stolen property by the purchaser or other recipient.) However, that doesn't mean Declan's correct :-) Before the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, he probably would have been, but the DMCA is a vague ill-defined mess of evil intentions that are increasingly being expanded (or at least people are attempting to expand them; how much holds up in court remains to be seen.) The DeCSS cases are a relatively direct use. The Scientology claims against E-Bay for using electronic tools (their auction system) to violate their intellectual property constraints (by helping ex-Scientologists sell used E-Meters to people who haven't paid the Church of Scientology for their trade secret religious materials) is a way blatant stretch, but seem to have been enough to intimidate E-Bay. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
Re: crypto implementation for small footprint devices
Eric Murray wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 07:59:13AM -0700, G Weijers wrote: On Tue, Jan 09, 2001 at 03:42:45PM -0800, Xiao, Peter wrote: Hi, I am currently looking for crypto implementation that can fit into small footprint (in the order of 50K or less) devices. Ideally, an SSL type of protocol meets my requirements but it is almost impossible to implement it within 50K even with selected cipher suites. So, I am looking for alternatives (either symmetric key or public key based). I was thinking about WTLS but looks like its implementation can not be significantly smaller than that of TLS since it is also based on Public Key cryptography (I am wondering how it fits into a cellphone). Can any one tell me what is the approximate size of the client implementation of WTLS. Also, would anyone send some pointers to me regarding what I am looking for. It's not the public-key operations themselves that use the space. I've managed to squeeze OAEP-formatted RSA encryption into less than 20K. The public key was hard-wired, though. You probably want to stay away from ASN.1 formatted data if space is a concern. I have been doing some work on this recently, and also have gotten good, results, specifically, PKCS#1 RSA multi-prime on a Palm is 16.5k (1024-2 17.63sec, 1024-3 9.6sec, palm IIIx (68xxx 20mhz)), or more interestingly 18k on a Psion (ARM7 36mhz, 1024-3 private in 0.18sec and 1024-2 in 0.34sec). I'm waiting for ARM (or SH3/4 or anything other than 68xxx) to take over the world. It make the choice of public key algorithm based on CPU load less irrelevant when low end devices have this sort of grunt. I am interested in knowing how small EC can be for both public/private operations. Any public information or peoples experiences? Unfortunately anything that uses X.509 (like SSL) will require it. It's possible to write small X.509/ASN.1 decoding packages. One that I wrote for a small-device SSL package takes about 11k code (gcc on Intel PIII) and it's not very optimized- there's lots of room to squeeze it down farther than the original application required. Similar experiences here, we have an ASN.1 encoder/decoder in 8k. I have not tries the really complex stuff yet, like SET (and hopefully never will :-). It is nice to have an ASN.1 encoder this small but rather obviously it requires a bit of work per ASN.1 data type. eric (who has a day job at [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: crypto implementation for small footprint devices
Encoding ASN.1 really eats space though, because of the nested nature of complex ASN.1... unless you do some tricks like I did in US patent 6,111,660. It sure looks like the Umich LDAP library is prior art which invalidates most, if not all, of the independant claims. (At least 1 and 6, which are the key ones.) This library was documented in RFC 1823, published in August 1995. /r$
RE: Nader wants global U.N. Net-regulation body; Nader photos
I respectfully submit to you: 1. Ralph does not represent me or my own views. 2. His 1960's views of the industrial society view of government, a nation and corporations do not, imho, apply to the internet or information society. 3. Number 1 and 2 are worth mentioning again :) I do agree with you that in general most people are concerned with their own day-to-day lives and cannot or don't care to understand how decisions made in Europe or in Washington, DC regarding the internet do, or could, affect themselves or those they know. I don't know how to solve this problem, but my own observation is the media is quite capable of whipping people into a frenzy (perhaps as a distraction to the daily chore of worrying about whether there is enough or not there is enough jelly in the pantry). I certainly don't believe an 'egalitarian elitist' (is there such a thing?) like Ralph can solve our problems. Observations: - in the case of standards and practices, corporations will charge through and push standards and practices which enable the growth of their revenues. In their perception they are filling the voids standards bodies and legislative bodies leave open. Shame on standards bodies for taking so long to approve protocols, and creating the kind of research and peer review environment which rivals even mathematics research (which involves years.) Shame on legislative bodies who do not try to fully understand our new society and rush to pass laws which are awkward and unworkable. Corporations innovate and want to move forward; waiting years for peer review is not realistic for many standards (I'm referring especially to layer 4 protocols and above in the case of the ip stack). Imagine if Napster had waited for the RIAA to come around to a new way of music distribution...or waited for the IETF to come up with a peer-reviewed method of peer-to-peer file sharing. In many ways Napster acted like a corporation (albeit with a different motivation). - corporations and lobbying groups represent not a single entity (the corporation), but a group of people who are employed by the company and the shareholders of the company. Perhaps this is the .1% of the people you are referring to. Few things motivate people as much as money does. Oh, and free music is also apparently a great motivator. - for the rest of us not necessarily motivated by money the key method of influence is participation. Participation through corporations (change from within is sometimes not difficult to achieve); participation as a significant contributer to a movement or project (linux for example); or participation by creating a new kind of application which drives change. Anyway i'm frightened that people who are supposed to get it (dyson, nader, etc.) and don't are making the decisions. At least with a corporation you can buy shares, go to a shareholder meeting and speak your mind. How do you reverse poor judgement in an individual? pz btw I certainly don't think I get it any more than anyone else...I've just not heard anyone who has presented a world view that makes sense from top to bottom (maybe there is no comprehensive world view). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 6:44 AM To: Phillip H. Zakas Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nader wants global U.N. Net-regulation body; Nader photos "Phillip H. Zakas" wrote: Not to worry. Ralph is only momentarily distracted. Just wait for the new administration to start chopping down thousand-year-old forests (and squishing some photogenic "poster animal" in the process). as a matter of fact, he DOES have a point. consumers have become the weaker part of the market food chain because they are not organized and because they ARE sheep. they'll cry murder every time you steal something from them, but never actually do something, and the few who do are too isolated to be even noticed. corporations, on the other hand, have been far more intelligent. from MPAA/RIAA straight to WTO they understood that lobby groups can increase their influence greatly and turn the playing field to their advantage. it's only fair to reply in kind and organize the consumers. or rather: the 0.1% of them who give a damn.
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[MEETINGPUNKS] Jan 2001 Cypherpunks SF -- CRYPTO author Steven Levy, DVD/DeCSS, Martin Minow Remembered
From: Dave Del Torto [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Greetings, Cypherpunks/Meetingpunks Announcements for January 2001! Every month they seem to doubt us and expect our early demise, but EVERY SECOND SATURDAY, rain or shine, we have ... wait for it ... that's right: a Cypherpunks Physical Meeting (that means you show up!) somewhere in the San Francisco Bay Area, and this coming Second Saturday is no different... no budget, no frills, no BS (just the way Martin would've liked it) we're not going away until the NSA does. Check out the complete scoop at: This Month in SF: http://cryptorights.org/cypherpunks/2001/0113-SF.html All Jan Meetings: http://cryptorights.org/cypherpunks/2001/01.html Admin/List Page: http://cryptorights.org/cypherpunks/meetingpunks.html The Handy Shortcut: http://cryptorights.org/meetingpunks January 2001/San Francisco Meeting Synopsis: SF Bay Area Cypherpunks (80th Chairborne Regiment) January 2001 Physical Meeting Announcement General Info: DATE: Saturday 13 January 2001 TIME: 1:00 - 6:00 PM (Pacific Time) PLACE: San Francisco Law Enforcement Regional Training Center (San Francisco Police Academy) Room 102 (or follow the cribs) This is the First Cypherpunks Meeting of the Millennium! The January 2001 Physical Meeting of the San Francisco Bay Area Cypherpunks will feature Steven Levy, author of the new cypherpunk book "CRYPTO". If you haven't got your copy yet, buy one and bring it to the meeting! We'll also spend some time catching up with Cindy Cohn on the EFF's DVD/DeCSS case. At the end of the meeting, we'll remember our departed friend Martin Minow (who would have really enjoyed Steven's book). As always, this is an Open Meeting on US Soil and members of the Public are encouraged to attend, especially Martin's Friends and Family. Meeting Agenda: (all timings are approximate) "Our agenda is a widely-held secret." 12:00 - 1:00 - Informal milling about, food beverages. 1:00 - 3:00 - General Meeting: HAL2001 Planning A Report from Burma! CryptoRights Foundation News MojoNation Update (Possible Mystery Ph.D.: Vna Tbyqoret) 3:00 - 4:30 - Special Guest: Steven Levy, author of "CRYPTO" 4:30 - 5:15 - Cindy Cohn, EFF: Update on the DVD/DeCSS Case 5:15 - 6:00 - "Remembering Martin Minow" 6:00 - ?- Dinner at a nearby restaurant usually follows the meeting. FULL INFO: http://cryptorights.org/cypherpunks/2001/0113-SF.html . end here . Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
copy protecttion doesn't work (Re: MS Product Activation for Windows)
Ray Dillinger wrote: But if Microsoft and its ilk do in fact successfully create systems that prevent "piracy", it won't be possible to be a hypocrite about it any more. And with commercial software flatly refusing some kinds of use, perhaps a fair number of people who now *think* they are not doing any piracy will have to face some harsh facts. Well I think the main reason no one bothered to write a license number generator for win9x, win2k and the windows NT versions is because the inconvenience factor is low right now -- most people have some license numbers lying around. People typically use the same code on all the machines on their network just for convenience. (Well probably someone has in fact written a crack for the different windows versions, but my point is no one has an incentive to use such work-arounds, because the copy protect code is not too much of a nuisance). The second they introduce this anti-piracy measure -- if they actually go through with it -- the copy protect code check will be broken, with a patch to disable it, or a program to generate licenses. Everyone will use it whether they paid for the windows CD, got it free with their machine, or copied the OS. So pretty much the only effect they'll have is to inconvenience their users, and probably as Ray suggests make more people have negative feelings about copy protection mechanisms because of the extra inconvenience. Adam
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[Sent this morning, 1/11, to algebra.com address. Not received as of 11 hours later. So am sending out to cyberpass.net address.] At 1:12 PM +0100 1/11/01, Tom wrote: Jim Choate wrote: Up until then I thought I did too...I"m not so sure any more. It's not a clone of the HK G3 as it was explained to me, it was apparently used as an interim weapon when the German Army dropped the HK G3 as a standard issue weapon a few years ago (ala G11). Maybe FAL, they're selling a 'G1' rifle that uses caseless ammo? Though I can't find a reference to any such rifle. Maybe it was CETME you do see their gun pushed as the 'G3' (the HK is a 'clone' or derived weapon from the Spanish gun). a friend of mine was an officer in the german army until very recently (he decided to get a real job :) ) - give me 24 hours and I'll tell you exactly what the past and current standard issue weapons are and what kind of ammo they fire. On Choate's point above, it is not FAL (a rifle, but I assume Choate must mean the maker of the FAL, Fabrique Nationale, now owned by another company, IIRC) who are making a caseless ammo rifle. Rather, it is in fact H-K. The G11 has been in development for close to 30 years now. (H-K are _also_ owned by another company. Last I heard, a British company bought H-K, though the factories and design groups remain in Germany.) Most NATO countries have now adopted some variant of the 5.56 mm cartridge, in either M-16-type variants or in bullpup designs like the excellent Steyr AUG or the newer HK G36 (with a civilian model, the SL8). Neither the caseless ammo of the H-K G11 not the flechette-firing prototypes are getting wide acceptance. And as relates to Choate's "I was right" point, repeated again recently, the G3 in use by the German army was most definitely a 7.62 mm, i.e., a .308 Winchester. It was _not_ the 5.56 mm variant, at least not for wide use. (I say this because quibblers like Choate like to find examples where _someone_ used a 5.56 mm and then say "See, I was RIGHT!") --Tim May -- Timothy C. May [EMAIL PROTECTED]Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns
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