Re: Unsubscribe broken while you spam this address
Someone is using your mailing lists to direct unwanted "noise" email at another mailing list. They think it's fun to subscribe a discussion mailing list address for one of your no-posting-allowed mailing lists and annoy a few hundred people a day. The guy who wrote you is probably not the same person who subscribed the cypherpunks list to whichever of your lists attracted his attention. Furthermore, he may have used the unsubscribe link correctly, but the attacker, whomever he is, probably just resubscribed the cypherpunks list the same day. You need to provide a PERMANENT unsubscribe option, so that the cypherpunks addresses can be unsubscribed in a way that won't allow this bozo to resubscribe them. At various times, I think I've seen at least six different gagler lists, and I was just hitting 'delete' the instant I saw the word 'Gagler' in them (eventually, I made the reflex automatic via a procmail script). So probably all eight have been used at one time or another, as often as this bozo gets around to resubscribing cypherpunks to them all. Since cypherpunks has ten different "to" addresses, and you have eight different mailing lists, that's eighty different combinations that this bozo can play with. I don't know how many he's used, but somebody (probably your annoyed correspondent below) has started taking it really personally and is apparently actually trying to unsub all eighty combinations daily. Judging from the messages in my spam folder, (whatever-of-the-day, every *other* day, to different cypherpunks addresses) I'd say this subscribe/unsubscribe fight has probably been going on for at least a few weeks, maybe a couple of months. Can you blame the guy for being frustrated?! I don't think it's probably wise to just blow it off. Allowing your system to be used as a weapon is almost as bad as directly *using* it as a weapon, and your upstreams are not likely to be too happy if they start popping up on black-hole lists and their subscribers can't get mail through to anybody at an ISP that filters. Personally, I don't give a crap, because I long since just put 'gagler' in my killfile and there's nobody at your upstreams I'd be upset by losing contact with. But I was going through my spam folder and saw how clueless you were about what's been going on. So I took pity and I thought I'd send you some explanation of what the hell is up, just so you can do something to avoid getting reamed as bad as it looks like you're about to. The wise thing to do would be to make unsubscribe for a particular address permanent (ie, don't allow resubscription). Seriously. This isn't a threat, this is just advice. It is what you can do to make the problem go away. I'm sure your postmaster at datareturn.com will agree. Bear On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Gagler wrote: Which one of our 8 lists could you not followthe instructions? Thanks- Gagler - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 12:00 AM Subject: Unsubscribe broken while you spam this address Your unsubscribe process, both the web page and the email process are broken. STOP SPAMMING THIS ADDRESS!!! SPAM IS THEFT OF SERVICE, NETWORK ABUSE, AND TRESPASSING!!! GO AWAY The next complaint goes to Paul Vixie at the MAPS Realtime Blackhole List (RBL) and your upstream ISP's.
Re: CDR: Some other math/crypto sci-fi
At 09:53 PM 1/22/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: And probably the best crypto/code/conspiricy fiction ever written, Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. It's worth reading the Illuminatus! trilogy first. I tried finding that in used book stores a decade or so ago, and for a while there was a Conspiracy to prevent me from collecting the whole set But yes, Foucault's Pendulum was a howler as well as having some deep material in it. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
Re: CDR: Re: Recommendations for Cypherpunks Books
At 01:27 AM 1/23/01 -0500, dmolnar wrote: This suggests a tangent - If we look at works of fiction which were politically or socially influential in their day, how many were entertaining? how many were "good stories"? A lot of polemics end up seeming transparent and thin today (I'm thinking in particular of Bellamy's _Looking Backward_, but there are probably other examples). They had to capture their audience somehow, which seems to say something about the audience of the time (or maybe just about the tendency people have to overlook faults in a book which agrees with them). There's always Ayn Rand - "The Fountainhead" has at least some depth of characters, as opposed to her later and more polemic fnord"Telemachus Sneezed", with the 600-page speech by John Guilt/fnord "Atlas Shrugged", with its much thinner characters and increased preachiness. On the other hand, a lot of Frank Lloyd Wright's buildings haven't passed the physical tests of time, and I gather geodesic domes tend to leak even if they're not built as badly as those that Some Local Cypherpunks are living in - we'll see how geodesic economies do... Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
Re: oppose nomination of John Ashcroft
-- On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 04:13:32PM -1000, Reese wrote: Then why were the troops laying siege to the compound, instead of snatching koresh when he made one of his frequent trips into town? At 11:54 PM 1/19/2001 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: Because sometimes a show of force is perceved as necessary. Heck, employers do it to employees all the time. I cannot recall any employer ever calling security to stick guns in my face. We did the reverse to the CEO today. He joking claimed he was going to fire the Ops and IT departments. The four of us, comprising about 1/2 the Ops/IT staff, including one of the directors cheered. The look on his face couldn't be purchased with MasterCard. -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ** "As someone who has worked both in private industry and in academia, whenever I hear about academics wanting to teach ethics to people in business, I want to puke."--Thomas Sowell.
Invitation to International Nursing Midwifery Conference, Adelaide, November 2001
___ 4th Biennial International Nursing and Midwifery Conference: Contesting Conversations in Practice, Education, Research and Policy Adelaide Convention Centre, Adelaide, South Australia Sunday 4th - Wednesday 7th November 2001 Keynote Presenters: Patricia Benner (USA) Philip Darbyshire (Australia) Cindy Shannon (Australia) Paul Lewis (UK) Gary Rolfe (UK) Dear Colleague, Since its inception in 1995, the International Connecting Conversations Conference series has become one of the most stimulating, interactive, enjoyable and valuable events in the nursing and midwifery calendar. This year's conference in Adelaide, Australia will be no exception. We once again bring together internationally renowned keynote presenters, and recognised expert pre and post conference workshop presenters, with nurses, midwives and other health care professionals to debate and discuss vital issues, to share new initiatives and exciting innovations in research, education and practice and to network with leading national and international colleagues. On behalf of the Conference Organising Committee, I invite you to join us for this important event. This is the ideal forum to present and discuss your research, showcase your practice initiative or clinical advance, highlight your educational innovation, or add your critique of a current health or professional issue. The deadline for submission of abstracts is 5.00 pm, March 30th, 2001. All of the contact details and information regarding abstract submission, travel and tourism are available on the conference web page at: www.sapmea.asn.au/Conventions/CCERP/ccerp.htm Visit this page to register your interest or to request any information about the conference or about making that trip to Australia that you've been promising yourself. We look forward very much to welcoming you to Adelaide in November. Very best wishes Professor Philip Darbyshire CCERP Conference Organising Committee NB: I do apologise if this information has reached you in error. This is a 'once only' message which will not be sent again.
SPORT.TELEGRAPH.CO.UK IS GIVING AWAY PLAYSTATION 2 CONSOLES
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Re: Fw: Excuse me, Mr. Blank Frank
nks list: "Blank Frank" is anonymous. S/he could be anybody, or several different anybodies at the same time. You happened to catch it/him/her/them in a nasty mood, and at least one of it/him/her/them flamed you pretty hard. Perhaps that particular persona of "Blank Frank" is all out of patience. But try to understand why your intent would make someone angry; there are lots of people out here who are very bitter about being "protected" as children by authoritarian adults who refused us basic human trust - which seems to be your intent. We find that intent repulsive. Alternatively that particular instance of "Blank Frank" is her kid. Isn't the internet wonderful. -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ** "As someone who has worked both in private industry and in academia, whenever I hear about academics wanting to teach ethics to people in business, I want to puke."--Thomas Sowell.
