Re: Ralph Nader sends privacy survey to Bush and Gore campaigns
At 10:44 PM -0700 10/10/00, Ray Dillinger wrote: On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, petro wrote: I get the same impression--They seem like National (as opposed to International) Socialists. Ah. I see that, in accordance with ancient usenet and mailing-list tradition, the discussion is now over. Bear May's Corollary to Godwin's Law: At least 97% of all invocations of Godwin's Law are done so to squelch debate. --Tim May -- -:-:-:-:-:-:-: Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
Re: Ralph Nader sends privacy survey to Bush and Gore campaigns
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Declan McCullagh wrote: At 23:38 10/9/2000 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: I seem to remember Etzioni being tied into the Communitarian movement as well. Right. In fact, that's an understatement. He's essentially the anti-cypherpunk: Regulate corporations' data collection practices strictly, but don't regulate the governments' practices. -Declan Could someone cogently explain the difference between communitarians and communists? ... I get the impression that communitarians were sort of a communist/fascist hybrid, but I'm sure someone has a more elegant explanation. The Commies could always recognize the FBI plants in their groups because they were the ones who paid their organization dues Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
Re: Ralph Nader sends privacy survey to Bush and Gore campaigns
At 23:38 10/9/2000 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: I seem to remember Etzioni being tied into the Communitarian movement as well. Right. In fact, that's an understatement. He's essentially the anti-cypherpunk: Regulate corporations' data collection practices strictly, but don't regulate the governments' practices. -Declan
Re: Ralph Nader sends privacy survey to Bush and Gore campaigns
At 1:22 PM -0400 10/10/00, Declan McCullagh wrote: I think communism has too many negative connotations to be used nowadays... So communitarian is a new word for the old philosophy. Kinda like progressive as a replacement for statist or whatnot. -Declan Why give them a term which, at least to some, sounds noble? Communitarian, indeed! I favor the more descriptive term: simp-wimps. As for Nader and the Green Party, fuck 'em. There's nothing even remotely tolerable about them. The Green Party, for example, calls for a 100% income tax on all income above some level. I expect most of them need to be liquidated in the purge. --Tim May -- -:-:-:-:-:-:-: Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.
Re: Ralph Nader sends privacy survey to Bush and Gore campaigns
At 12:35 10/10/2000 -0500, Jim Burnes wrote: Yeah. In the dim, dusty recesses of my memory I seem to recall the Communitarian zeal with something the NWO types are calling 'The Third Way'. A way of involving business and government together to create social change. Last time I checked thats called Fascism. You don't even have to go as far left as the communitarians to find that. Check out the DLC, which Clinton headed and Lieberman now chairs: http://www.ndol.org/ The "third way" is their motto: http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=128 -Declan
Re: Ralph Nader sends privacy survey to Bush and Gore campaigns
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, petro wrote: I get the same impression--They seem like National (as opposed to International) Socialists. Ah. I see that, in accordance with ancient usenet and mailing-list tradition, the discussion is now over. Bear
