Re: Happy 4 July!!!

[Zenaan Harkness]

Time for some politically correct Halloween, one can really only
sympathize with these important social issues, so grab your #blm tweet
app and expunge all those golly wogs.

Really.


A video guide to a politically correct, trigger-free, safe space
Halloween
http://theduran.com/a-video-guide-to-a-politically-correct-trigger-free-safe-space-halloween/
>From the "it ain't racist when there's both a blonde AND a brunette"
department.

Re: Fwd: offlist from the bot...

[Mirimir]

On 10/28/2016 09:24 PM, Mirimir wrote:
> On 10/28/2016 09:14 PM, Razer wrote:
>> The bot forgot Zen in the Cc:s, and besides, I do believe I never wrote
>> that.
>>
>> Fix your bot stupid.
> 
> It also went to the list.

Oops, I was wrong :(

The rooty posted to the list, and then forwarded to Razer etc with
another comment.

> That was Juan's comment, I think. Not that I read most of his shit.
> 
>> Rr
>>
>>
>>  Forwarded Message 
>> Subject: offlist
>> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:06:09 +1100
>> From: rooty 
>> To: Александр <>, Juan <>, Razer <>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 09:13:46PM -0400, rooty wrote:
>>>  Original Message  On Oct 28, 2016, 1:23 PM, juan
>>> wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 10:33:52 -0400 Kevin Gallagher wrote: > > >
>>> On 10/28/2016 10:06 AM, Razer wrote: > > Ps. Obviously, I think she
>>> has penis
>>>
>>>
>>> since it dead could ANYONE confirm or deny sea sea have penis - thx
>>> rooty
>>
>> Yes rooty/cici/cicilian mafia idiot, has ovaries so
>> big they look like TWO dicks!
>>
> 

Re: Fwd: offlist from the bot...

[Mirimir]

On 10/28/2016 09:14 PM, Razer wrote:
> The bot forgot Zen in the Cc:s, and besides, I do believe I never wrote
> that.
> 
> Fix your bot stupid.

It also went to the list.

That was Juan's comment, I think. Not that I read most of his shit.

> Rr
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: offlist
> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:06:09 +1100
> From: rooty 
> To: Александр <>, Juan <>, Razer <>
> 
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 09:13:46PM -0400, rooty wrote:
>>  Original Message  On Oct 28, 2016, 1:23 PM, juan
>> wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 10:33:52 -0400 Kevin Gallagher wrote: > > >
>> On 10/28/2016 10:06 AM, Razer wrote: > > Ps. Obviously, I think she
>> has penis
>>
>>
>> since it dead could ANYONE confirm or deny sea sea have penis - thx
>> rooty
> 
> Yes rooty/cici/cicilian mafia idiot, has ovaries so
> big they look like TWO dicks!
> 

Fwd: offlist from the bot...

[Razer]

The bot forgot Zen in the Cc:s, and besides, I do believe I never wrote
that.

Fix your bot stupid.

Rr


 Forwarded Message 
Subject: offlist
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:06:09 +1100
From: rooty 
To: Александр <>, Juan <>, Razer <>

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 09:13:46PM -0400, rooty wrote:
>  Original Message  On Oct 28, 2016, 1:23 PM, juan
> wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 10:33:52 -0400 Kevin Gallagher wrote: > > >
> On 10/28/2016 10:06 AM, Razer wrote: > > Ps. Obviously, I think she
> has penis
> 
> 
> since it dead could ANYONE confirm or deny sea sea have penis - thx
> rooty

Yes rooty/cici/cicilian mafia idiot, has ovaries so
big they look like TWO dicks!

Re: Scientific Progress

[Mirimir]

On 10/28/2016 12:07 PM, \0xDynamite wrote:
>> But if all politicians, all employers, all teachers, all scientists and
>> so on are fascists, parasites, or idiots, who are the sane people left?
>> C'mon, nobody can be that stupid to really think that EVERY scientist is
>> part of a global multi cultural, multi societal, multi language
>> conspiracy!
> 
> The only conspiracy is that they all seem to think my forefathers and
> mothers are apes.
> 
> It's THAT kind of conspiracy that caused people to bomb America in 9-11.

I'm not sure what your point is. First, it's not clear who bombed the US
then. Let's say that it was Al-Qaeda and Saudi supporters. As far as I
can tell, they were mostly upset at lack of respect from US and its
allies. Lack of respect for their religion, their culture, and their
sovereignty.

But you wrote "THAT kind of conspiracy". So are you disputing the
evidence for evolution? Or are you disputing claims that some ethnic
groups tend to score better or worse on various tests?

As far as evolution goes, it may be far worse than apes. Think mice,
rats and pigs. It's no accident that they're favorite experimental
models for humans. When you can't afford primates, anyway. And we humans
do behave a lot like rats :(

> Mark
> 

scientific unit

[rooty]

 Original Message  On Oct 28, 2016, 1:23 PM, juan wrote: On 
Fri, 28 Oct 2016 10:33:52 -0400 Kevin Gallagher wrote: > > > On 10/28/2016 
10:06 AM, Razer wrote: > > Ps. Obviously, I think she has penis


since it dead could ANYONE confirm or deny sea sea have penis - thx rooty

Scientific Progress

[coresamples]

> Razer:
> You didn't pull that quote out of your ass cunt. You knew who wrote it.

That's the way legitimate posters 'roll'.

Re: Scientific Progress

[juan]

On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 10:33:52 -0400
Kevin Gallagher  wrote:

> 
> 
> On 10/28/2016 10:06 AM, Razer wrote:
> > Ps. Obviously, I don't hate science... as someone mentioned earlier
> > it's going to require a cultural shift to literally DISARM the
> > scientists. They should hold bake sales for their projects until
> > the time they unhook themselves from the Pentagon and the
> > "Life-extension-at-any-cost-while-not-giving-a-fuck-about-the-QUALITY-of-that-life'
> > BigPharma scam.
> 
> I have to start thinking about funding soon. 


Interesting examples of voluntary funding here

https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena
https://www.crowdsupply.com/lime-micro/limesdr
https://www.crowdsupply.com/cryptech/open-hardware-security-module
https://www.crowdsupply.com/inverse-path/usb-armory
https://www.crowdsupply.com/design-shift/orwl

etc. 


> I better start making
> brownies and selling them in places where people would care about my
> research! I'm really not interested in taking dirty DoD money or
> something like that.
> 

Re: Scientific Progress

[\0xDynamite]

> But if all politicians, all employers, all teachers, all scientists and
> so on are fascists, parasites, or idiots, who are the sane people left?
> C'mon, nobody can be that stupid to really think that EVERY scientist is
> part of a global multi cultural, multi societal, multi language
> conspiracy!

The only conspiracy is that they all seem to think my forefathers and
mothers are apes.

It's THAT kind of conspiracy that caused people to bomb America in 9-11.

Mark

Only Barrett Brown could do that!

[Razer]

The Bundy Boiz acquitted of "Conspiracy to impede federal officers
through intimidation, threats or force".

Oregon militants acquitted of conspiracy in wildlife refuge seizure

By Scott Bransford

PORTLAND, Ore. A federal court jury delivered a surprise verdict on
Thursday acquitting anti-government militant leader Ammon Bundy and six
followers of conspiracy charges stemming from their role in the armed
takeover of a wildlife center in Oregon earlier this year.

The outcome marked a stinging defeat for federal prosecutors and law
enforcement in a trial the defendants sought to turn into a pulpit for
airing their opposition to U.S. government control over millions of
acres of public lands in the West.

Bundy and others, including his brother and co-defendant Ryan Bundy,
cast the 41-day occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge as a
patriotic act of civil disobedience. Prosecutors called it a lawless
scheme to seize federal property by force.

Jubilant supporters of the Bundys thronged the courthouse after the
verdict, hailing the trial's outcome as vindication of a political
ideology that is profoundly distrustful of federal authority and
challenges its legitimacy.

"We're so grateful to the jurors who weren't swayed by the nonsense that
was going on," defendant Shawna Cox told reporters. "God said we weren't
guilty. We weren't guilty of anything."

As the seven-week-long trial in the U.S. District Court in Portland
climaxed, U.S. marshals wrestled to the floor Ammon Bundy's lawyer,
Marcus Mumford, as he argued heatedly with the judge over the terms of
his client's continued detention.

The Bundys still face assault, conspiracy and other charges from a
separate armed standoff in 2014 at the Nevada ranch of their father,
Cliven Bundy, triggered when federal agents seized his cattle for his
failure to pay grazing fees for his use of public land.

The outcome of the Oregon trial clearly shocked many in the packed
courtroom. Attorneys exchanged looks of astonishment with the
defendants, then hugged their clients as the not-guilty verdicts were
read amid gasps from spectators.

Outside the courthouse, supporters celebrated by shouting "Hallelujah"
and reading passages from the U.S. Constitution. One man rode his horse,
named Lady Liberty, in front of the courthouse carrying an American flag.

The verdict came after four days of deliberations. One juror, a former
federal employee, was dismissed over questions of bias on Wednesday and
replaced by a substitute.

The 12-member panel found all seven defendants - six men and a woman -
not guilty of the most serious charge, conspiracy to impede federal
officers through intimidation, threats or force. That charge alone
carried a maximum penalty of six years in prison.

The defendants also were acquitted of illegal possession of firearms in
a federal facility and theft of government property, except in the case
of Ryan Bundy, for whom jurors were deadlocked on the charge of theft.

The takeover of the wildlife refuge was initially sparked by outrage
over the plight of two imprisoned Oregon ranchers the occupiers believed
had been unfairly treated in an arson case. But the militants said they
were also protesting larger grievances at what they saw as government
tyranny.

The standoff led to the shooting death of one protester, Robert "LaVoy"
Finicum, by police shortly after the Bundy brothers were arrested, and
left parts of the refuge badly damaged.

More than two dozen people, in all, have been criminally charged in the
occupation, and a second group of defendants is due to stand trial in
February.

Mumford told reporters he believed Ammon and Ryan Bundy would remain in
custody for the time being but may be transferred to Nevada.

Four co-defendants were free on their own recognizance during the trial.
A fifth, David Fry, the last of the occupiers to surrender in February,
was released hours after the verdict.

(Reporting by Scott Bransford in Portland; Writing by Steve Gorman;
Editing by Cynthia Osterman and Simon Cameron-Moore)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia-idUSKCN12R2Z4

Re: Scientific Progress

[Razer]

On 10/28/2016 07:33 AM, Kevin Gallagher wrote:

> I have to start thinking about funding soon. I better start making
> brownies and selling them in places where people would care about my
> research! I'm really not interested in taking dirty DoD money or
> something like that.
> 


Go to Colorado... Boulder perhaps ... Put da kine inna da brownee mix.

You'll get it. If  your project ins a Cyclotron or something it might
take a while but...

Rr

Re: Scientific Progress

[Kevin Gallagher]

On 10/28/2016 10:06 AM, Razer wrote:
> Ps. Obviously, I don't hate science... as someone mentioned earlier it's
> going to require a cultural shift to literally DISARM the scientists.
> They should hold bake sales for their projects until the time they
> unhook themselves from the Pentagon and the
> "Life-extension-at-any-cost-while-not-giving-a-fuck-about-the-QUALITY-of-that-life'
> BigPharma scam.

I have to start thinking about funding soon. I better start making
brownies and selling them in places where people would care about my
research! I'm really not interested in taking dirty DoD money or
something like that.

-- 
Kevin Gallagher
Key Fingerprint: D02B 25CB 0F7D E276 06C3  BF08 53E4 C50F 8247 4861




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Re: Scientific Progress

[Razer]

On 10/28/2016 12:41 AM, Tom wrote:

> Yeah, I'll build my own orbital telescope and count galaxies

Why not?

In 1988 or so I took an Epson HX-20 cp/m laptop and put it on the
intertubz, and packet radio, using a basic 1.1 program I wrote myself
that also would print out (on demand) a log or screen info to it's cash
register tape printer  while storing the info and the program on a
microcassete and it ran at a whopping 1200baud, which was a fast as the
buss and 4K of ram was ever going to go. That was when 9600 baud was
typical and 14.4 was blazing fast.

I made a a packet contact bouncing of the digipeater on the Mir space
station with a friend about 50 miles away using a 2 el quad, that
computer, and a 5 watt Alinco handie-talkie on 2m

Enough brag. My point is, if you wanted to build an orbital telescope
you could, with the kind of collaboration it took to build the 220mhz
California digipeater backbone perhaps, but make some like minded
friends and anything is possible. Even a telescope sat launch from Guyana...

AAMOF Orbital sats are EZ! It's the geostationary ones that you'll have
talk to the feds about, because they think they own that space, in space.

Rr

Ps. Obviously, I don't hate science... as someone mentioned earlier it's
going to require a cultural shift to literally DISARM the scientists.
They should hold bake sales for their projects until the time they
unhook themselves from the Pentagon and the
"Life-extension-at-any-cost-while-not-giving-a-fuck-about-the-QUALITY-of-that-life'
BigPharma scam.



>>  I never said "science is the enemy" - I do say that
>>  technicians working for the establishment and pretending to be
>>  'scientists' are the enemy. The claims are related, but not
>>  equal. 
> 
> Ok, makes sense.
> 
>>  Thanks for providing a reason why your view of the
>>  establishment can be biased. You like what they do regardless of
>>  where the funding comes from.
> 
> If I can learn something new, does it really matter, who paid for it?
>  
>>  You like astronomy? Fine. Do astronomy with your own money.
> 
> Yeah, I'll build my own orbital telescope and count galaxies :)
> 
>>  "Upper Paleolithic humans may have hunted cave lions for their
>>  pelts" 
>>
>>  Really?? But they also may NOT have hunted cave lions, right?
>>  Don't you see anything wrong, even with the wording of the
>>  'scientific' 'fact'? Do you think that suggesting a possibility
>>  and providing very flimsy evidence for it is 'science'? 
> 
> I see. This particular example might be the wrong one. The problem we'd
> need to discuss here are the media. Of course, if one study says
> something "might have happened" this is no fact. However, media
> immediately report about such singular studies as if it were.
> 
> Also, somewhere else someone stated, that science is about finding the
> truth. But this is false as well. Science is about theories and
> confirming evidence, experiments and studies. However, they remain
> theories. This is the core of science: a serious theory must be
> falsifiable. That is, even theories as the "theory of relativity" or
> "global warming" might some day fall apart when someone finds evidence
> which contradicts it. But in the meantime science works with the
> consensus (we had this point already in the climate thread), since you
> must work with something.
> 
> So, did humans hunt cave lions? I don't know. But I know one thing: we
> humans are the most dangerous species on this planet, so why not? We
> kill everything, including our own fellow humans.
> 
>>  And are there people who feel curious about what happened to
>>  lions 10,000 years ago anyway? Fine. Let them waste or devote
>>  their onw resources to find out. 
> 
> I am curious about this, but we digress :)
>  
>>  How could any sane person deny that fucking NASA, which is
>>  nothing but a branch of the US gov't and more precisely of the
>>  pentagon are not parasites? I assumed you knew that by
>>  definition gov't employees and contractors are parasites. That
>>  is a 'scientific' truth.
> 
> I don't deny this. However, the knowledge they acquire is good for all
> of us, wether you're interested in astronomy or not. I understand your
> point but I cannot reject all NASA does just because they are government
> backed.
> 
>>  Do you realize that your 'beloved' scientists are sceaming
>>  "We are gov't funded parasites" ? 
> 
> Yes, I do. The question is, who shall fund them instead? Corporations?
> That's just the same shit. Crowdfunding? Will never happen. There'd be
> no science at all without funding. We'd still be hunterers and gatherers
> :) 
> 
>>  Again, I'm  not talking about science if correctly defined as
>>  an unbiased search for truth. I'm talking about the people who
>>  claim to do science, the vast majority of them being paid with
>>  stolen money, to 'research' completely irrelevant stuff like

Re: Trust isn't easy: Drawing an agenda from Friday's DDoS Attack and the Internet of Things

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Oct 26, 2016 4:21 PM, "Cecilia Tanaka"  wrote:
>

>
> Let's become more rational, more cypher and less punks, please?

Sorry, an important observation.  After receiving a very cruel and
aggressive private message, it's better to explain what I was trying to say.

When I said "more cypher", I was _not_ talking about cryptography, coding
and technical subjects only, but about more security and privacy
discussions, instead garbage like Russian political propaganda.

I am pure chaos and it seems contraditory, but I did mention "less punks",
asking for more focus, more emphasis in our present and future
surveillance.  We all, the whole world is very fucked and it will become
worse, much worse.  We can  -- at least try --  to minimize the impacts of
these bad things in the world, in our own lives, in the lives of our
beloved ones.

I was just asking for a little less of craziness and mess, for more focus
and rational discussions, not for censorship.

Sorry for my bad, ridiculous English.  Some people here have much free time
for sending more than 750 stupid spams and horrible, nasty messages
(number still increasing daily)  and searching beautiful words in the
dictionary to pretend some eloquence, but it is _not_ my case.

My English is a disaster, a shame, I recognize it.  At least, I can
understand well five languages, more or less one other, and I am learning
another one.  Oh, and I also know two Italian dialets.  I have no
perfection even in my own primary language, but I like words and reading,
searching for different ideas, learning more about other cultures.  Sorry
for using my so horrible and offensive English here.

Also, sorry for knowing "absolutely anything" about coding and
cryptography, for being so "stupid and limited" and deserving no respect
when asking for "more cypher".  I swear I am trying to become better in all
these aspects.

Thank you all for your patience with my insignificant existence.  I want a
better world to everybody.  I can't understand so much hate, so much
bitterness in some interactions.  I am pretending to be "dead" because I
was tired of so much useless noise, but some persons here are already dead
inside.  Really dead, with no good feelings or ideas to donate to the world.

Oh, and sorry for mentioning the Halloween.  I love it.  I did _not_
imagine it could be so offensive for some persons just for being a "North
American party".  We also celebrate it in my country, using Brazilian
cultural elements, our folklore and miths.

Wish you all happy days and nights, a lovely life.  Take care, guys!  ;)

Cecilia

Re: Scientific Progress

[Tom]

>   I never said "science is the enemy" - I do say that
>   technicians working for the establishment and pretending to be
>   'scientists' are the enemy. The claims are related, but not
>   equal. 

Ok, makes sense.

>   Thanks for providing a reason why your view of the
>   establishment can be biased. You like what they do regardless of
>   where the funding comes from.

If I can learn something new, does it really matter, who paid for it?
 
>   You like astronomy? Fine. Do astronomy with your own money.

Yeah, I'll build my own orbital telescope and count galaxies :)

>   "Upper Paleolithic humans may have hunted cave lions for their
>   pelts" 
> 
>   Really?? But they also may NOT have hunted cave lions, right?
>   Don't you see anything wrong, even with the wording of the
>   'scientific' 'fact'? Do you think that suggesting a possibility
>   and providing very flimsy evidence for it is 'science'? 

I see. This particular example might be the wrong one. The problem we'd
need to discuss here are the media. Of course, if one study says
something "might have happened" this is no fact. However, media
immediately report about such singular studies as if it were.

Also, somewhere else someone stated, that science is about finding the
truth. But this is false as well. Science is about theories and
confirming evidence, experiments and studies. However, they remain
theories. This is the core of science: a serious theory must be
falsifiable. That is, even theories as the "theory of relativity" or
"global warming" might some day fall apart when someone finds evidence
which contradicts it. But in the meantime science works with the
consensus (we had this point already in the climate thread), since you
must work with something.

So, did humans hunt cave lions? I don't know. But I know one thing: we
humans are the most dangerous species on this planet, so why not? We
kill everything, including our own fellow humans.

>   And are there people who feel curious about what happened to
>   lions 10,000 years ago anyway? Fine. Let them waste or devote
>   their onw resources to find out. 

I am curious about this, but we digress :)
 
>   How could any sane person deny that fucking NASA, which is
>   nothing but a branch of the US gov't and more precisely of the
>   pentagon are not parasites? I assumed you knew that by
>   definition gov't employees and contractors are parasites. That
>   is a 'scientific' truth.

I don't deny this. However, the knowledge they acquire is good for all
of us, wether you're interested in astronomy or not. I understand your
point but I cannot reject all NASA does just because they are government
backed.

>   Do you realize that your 'beloved' scientists are sceaming
>   "We are gov't funded parasites" ? 

Yes, I do. The question is, who shall fund them instead? Corporations?
That's just the same shit. Crowdfunding? Will never happen. There'd be
no science at all without funding. We'd still be hunterers and gatherers
:) 

>   Again, I'm  not talking about science if correctly defined as
>   an unbiased search for truth. I'm talking about the people who
>   claim to do science, the vast majority of them being paid with
>   stolen money, to 'research' completely irrelevant stuff like
>   'paleolithic lions', or to 'explain' how central banking is the
>   source of civilization and progress.

Ok.




Tom