Re: Did you ever change your political/social views after trolling in a cpunks thread?

2017-02-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 05:29:55PM +0200, Georgi Guninski wrote:
> Did you ever change your political/social views after trolling in a
> cpunks thread?

I used to only really conceive of "democracy" and variations - thanks to
a "modern schooling", vague nations of "libertarianism" as "a bit more
democratic" was about the limit of my thinking. I mean, "democracy came
from ancient Greece right, so that's why we have democracy, since that's
all there is."

This was the think.

Then I learn there's something called "direct democracy" which is in
Switzerland or something, and somewhere read (with a little shock) that
"anarchy" is actually a well studied and popular political system.

But for many years I never knew what that meant.

Then cypherpunks, and Juan spoke (and of course Steve Kinney, Razer and
others piled in with very interesting links to reading material). But
Juan dammit, just kept hammering that we don't live in anything like
democracy (can't be denied), and that anarchy is the only truly free
"system" (if it can be called that), where no man is compelled to
perform except by his own consent. I mean, what a radical idea right?
(as in, it sounds so obvious that that's how things should be).

And "the modern demoncratic state" keeps offering its "security" and
appeasement (for many this means "free stuff"), but it's simply,
fundamentally, morally and ethically, not right.


The only open question is how to get there, from here, given the
thoroughly indoctrinated humans we share this ole planet with.


The easy part is "live and let others damn well live their lives as they
choose".


The really hard part is convincing others that this is a good idea.

SMDH!


Re: 10 judges are nuts.

2017-02-24 Thread grarpamp
On 2/24/17, James A. Donald  wrote:
> Traditional muskets are big, clumsy, and kick like a horse, but they
> blow great big holes in people.

Bigger holes, more assured death.

> Remember, they rendered armor irrelevant

Armor piercing is relavant.

> It is the famous AK-47 that is relatively quiet and low power.

Energy delivered upon terminus is a worthwhile calculation.

> Assault
> weapons are so called because they are designed to be fired while
> running around, like a handgun.

No. Assault weapons are fully automatic. Handguns and other
semi-auts are not. You can 'run around' with whatever the
fuck you want and are good at. Ammo is life, don't waste it.

> Assault weapons designed to be fired while kneeling in a trench

Yes, due to physical suport for accuracy present in trenches
needed for full-auto assault.

> they were designed to be fired while running towards your enemies

Yes since spray and pray is exactly what you get and
can expect in that case.

> In consequence an assault rifle makes an excellent hunting weapon for a
> seven year old girl

False. On hunt, only single shot does. Semi is even quite hard
to moving target.

> but adult males generally prefer considerably more
> powerful guns for hunting, unless they are varmint shooting.

Muzzle and terminal energy has absolutely nothing to do with
whether full-auto assualt or semi-auto.

> A small child using an assault rifle to hunt usually shoots while
> kneeling or lying down, and resting the front of the rifle on something,
> because the weight and recoil makes it difficult for a small child to
> aim while walking around.

You do not ever give your a child full-auto assault to hunt or
target with, you fool. That is a much later and more irrelavant
training in life. And barrel rise is only upon off-axis distance
from force accelleration. And weight is just weight.

You clearly not studied and operated various wepons.
Go do that. Learn, respect, appreciate, enjoy, value, share.
Then your report will be more correct.
And for sakes, follow your laws, or act to change them first.


Re: 10 judges are nuts.

2017-02-24 Thread juan
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 10:26:09 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:

> > On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 09:46:21 +1000
> "James A. Donald"  wrote:
> >> As Ayn Rand told us, wealth is created by talented businessmen.
> 
> On 2/25/2017 9:57 AM, juan wrote:
> > rand was an incredibly stupid cunt, Not to mention, she was
> > morally despicable. That's why she stupidly lied about
> > 'businessmen', aka corporatists.
> 
> Hence the prosperity and success of Venezuela 
> 
> Who is leftists favorite example of a real life evil capitalist?
> 
> John D Rockefeller of Standard Oil, who reduced the cost of petrol


He didn't reduce the cost of oil. Go learn the ABC of
economics instead of parroting conservative corporatist
propaganda. Oh wait. You won't learn anything because parroting
anti-free-market, corporatist propaganda is your job
description. 





Re: 10 judges are nuts.

2017-02-24 Thread James A. Donald

On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 09:46:21 +1000

"James A. Donald"  wrote:

As Ayn Rand told us, wealth is created by talented businessmen.


On 2/25/2017 9:57 AM, juan wrote:

rand was an incredibly stupid cunt, Not to mention, she was
morally despicable. That's why she stupidly lied about
'businessmen', aka corporatists.


Hence the prosperity and success of Venezuela 

Who is leftists favorite example of a real life evil capitalist?

John D Rockefeller of Standard Oil, who reduced the cost of petrol to a 
tiny fraction of its previous cost by improvements in refining.


And of course, their favorite fictional capitalist, JR Ewing of the 
television show "Dallas" - but it was the real life equivalents of JR 
Ewing that developed fracking, and without fracking, there would not be 
enough oil to go around.


The reason lefties hate fracking so much, is that they were hoping we 
would run out of oil.  Now it looks that we are good to go for at least 
another hundred years.


Re: 10 judges are nuts.

2017-02-24 Thread James A. Donald

On 2/24/2017 1:20 PM, Razer wrote:

On 02/23/2017 07:15 PM, Marina Brown misquoted Jim...


I wrote the bit about outrunning a musketball...Yeah well perhaps I was
jesting. But what might happen if the ball hit a solid object, or thick
chopped pressed wool (imagine a peacoat on steroids) with a bunch of
undergarments are two different things. I'm not saying it wouldn't hurt,
or break a bone or something, but the ball would most likely get stuck
in the wool.


Traditional muskets are big, clumsy, and kick like a horse, but they 
blow great big holes in people.  Remember, they rendered armor 
irrelevant, because they can punch through armor and kill horses with 
the greatest of ease.


It is the famous AK-47 that is relatively quiet and low power.  Assault 
weapons are so called because they are designed to be fired while 
running around, like a handgun.


Assault weapons were named by Hitler (or at least he signed off on the 
name), "Sturmgewehr", literally "Storm gun, Sturm gewehr" because unlike 
the considerably heavier guns of World War I, designed to be fired while 
kneeling in a trench, they were designed to be fired while running 
towards your enemies, while storming the enemy.


In consequence an assault rifle makes an excellent hunting weapon for a 
seven year old girl, but adult males generally prefer considerably more 
powerful guns for hunting, unless they are varmint shooting.


A small child using an assault rifle to hunt usually shoots while 
kneeling or lying down, and resting the front of the rifle on something, 
because the weight and recoil makes it difficult for a small child to 
aim while walking around.




Re: 10 judges are nuts.

2017-02-24 Thread juan
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 09:46:21 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:

> On 2/24/2017 12:37 PM, John Newman wrote:
> > The USA built its prosperity on the ashes of Europe and Asia,
> > and now it's all a big con to keep the rich man rich.
> 
> As Ayn Rand told us, wealth is created by talented businessmen.

rand was an incredibly stupid cunt, Not to mention, she was
morally despicable. That's why she stupidly lied about
'businessmen', aka corporatists.







Re: 10 judges are nuts.

2017-02-24 Thread James A. Donald

On 2/24/2017 12:37 PM, John Newman wrote:

The USA built its prosperity on the ashes of Europe and Asia,
and now it's all a big con to keep the rich man rich.


As Ayn Rand told us, wealth is created by talented businessmen.  If you 
doubt it, observe China


Compare China before 1980 with China after 1980

China went from poverty to wealth, by allowing businessmen to get rich.

For the reverse transformation, from wealth to poverty, consider 
Venezuela before 1993 with Venezuela after 1993.  Socialists can create 
a sand shortage in the Sahara desert, and socialists can transform oil 
wealth into oil poverty.




Re: I'm in acapulco, will speak at Anarcapulo convention

2017-02-24 Thread jim bell
Correction:. I speak on stage B, Tuesday, 11:30-12:10.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:49, jim bell wrote:   
Will speak Monday morning.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android  


Re: 10 judges are nuts.

2017-02-24 Thread James A. Donald



On Feb 23, 2017, at 7:55 PM, James A. Donald  wrote:

Law, legality, and order is not judges getting their way.

Law, legality, and order is a well armed, well disciplined, well trained man in 
a neat uniform enforcing explicit formal officially stated rules in obedience 
to his chain of command.


On 2/24/2017 11:55 AM, John Newman wrote:

"With images of swastikas and gas chambers dancing in his head"


If judges and bureaucrats do whatever they fancy, impossible for the 
economy to function, because no one can invest in creating wealth, not 
knowing what rules are likely to apply.  Investment requires long term 
planning, which is impossible in the present environment.


The rules have to be clear, simple, and stated well in advance.  Our 
current environment of capricious and unpredictable judicial and 
bureaucratic tyranny is making Americans poor.


Freedom for judges to do as they please is anarcho tyranny.


Re: I'm in Acapulco Mexico.

2017-02-24 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017, at 3:51 PM, jim bell  wrote:
>
> I will be speaking Monday morning at Anarchapulco convention.

"Anarchapulco"?  Wow, loved the convention's name!  :D

(But hated the events prices...  Meh, it seems being an anarchist on
the amazing Acapulco beaches is a bit expensive, isn't it?  :P)

Just in case, the Brazilian Crypto Rave  (it's like a Crypto Party,
but longer, with more music and events)  will be in Sao Paulo, May,
5th and 6th.  It's free!  :)


Kim case:. Not vx only.

2017-02-24 Thread jim bell
I don't think the assassins used only VX in the Kim case.  VX is not fast 
enough, alone, to explain events as the were reported.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Re: I'm in Acapulco Mexico.

2017-02-24 Thread juan
On Fri, 24 Feb 2017 18:51:35 + (UTC)
jim bell  wrote:

> 
> I will be speaking Monday morning at Anarchapulco convention.


did the mexican government allow you to enter their property?
It must be a 'libertarian' government then =)




I'm in Acapulco Mexico.

2017-02-24 Thread jim bell

I will be speaking Monday morning at Anarchapulco convention.

I'm in acapulco, will speak at Anarcapulo convention

2017-02-24 Thread jim bell

Will speak Monday morning.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Re: [liberationtech] Facebook: Building Global Community - What's your response to Mark Zuckerberg?

2017-02-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from Rich Kulawiec  -

Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 11:12:08 -0500
From: Rich Kulawiec 
To: liberationtech 
Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Facebook: Building Global Community - What's your 
response to Mark Zuckerberg?
Message-ID: <20170224161208.ga24...@gsp.org>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12)
Reply-To: liberationtech 

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 02:23:18PM -0800, Yosem Companys wrote:
> To protect your privacy and security, stay off Facebook.
>
> But, to build movements, create an account on Facebook (or Twitter or any
> other dominant centralized social network) and try to get as many people to
> join.

[ rhetorical "you" throughout ]

I think this is a really bad idea: it's a trap.

These aren't tools that exist to facilitate your cause: these are data
harvesting and surveillance engines that will collect and collate every
scrap of data and metadata your adversaries need.  And once that corpus
exists, it WILL be acquired: it's much too valuable and much too easily
transmitted to have the slightest chance of staying in one place.

This is obvious on inspection: every architectural decision, every design
decision, every operational decision, every policy decision ever made
by these operations supports the goal of data acquisition.  It's what
they were built to do.

All the other stuff?  Shiny distraction.  Bait.  Scam.  Propaganda.

Whether the data's acquired by overt contractual arrangement, whether it's
acquired by force of law, whether it's acquired under the table, whether
it's acquired by hacking, whether it's acquired via individual employees,
it WILL be acquired.

Nobody leaves that rich a source of actionable intelligence just sitting
on the table untouched.

So all that you will accomplish by using "social networks" is:

(a) building the database your enemies need to destroy you and
your allies and your cause

(b) building it in a place where they can easily get it --
if they haven't already had it from the moment you created it.

For example:

If I were working for fill-in-the-blank, I would already have
my own people in place at Twitter and Eventbrite and Meetup
and Facebook and all the rest -- either full-time employees,
or people I've co-opted via bribes, blackmail, or other means.
They'd be there long before you were, just waiting for you to
show up and start spending your time and your effort and your
money handing them as much data/metadata as you possibly can.

I would do much the same thing if I were a sufficiently-organized,
sufficiently-funded group intent on propagating racism or fascism
or poverty or pollution or any of the things likely to trigger
opposition.

Why not?  It's cheap.  It's easy.  It's low-risk.  It's
sustainable.  It's simple.  It's deniable.  It's scalable.
In contrast to other spying/surveillance operations, which can
be expensive, complex, and risky, this is a cakewalk *because
they already built everything for me at their expense*.

What possible reason would I have for not taking advantage of it?

You'll give me data on your supporters, your allies, your
movements, their movements, your family, their families, your
friends, their friends, you employer, their employers, their
spending habits, their operating systems, their web browsers
and mail clients, your meetings -- and much more.

I'm going to end up knowing far more about you and your people
than YOU know.

If you're trying to "liberate" someone or something, the first thing
you need to do is liberate yourself from "social networks".  You should
be trying as hard as you possibly can NOT to generate this data/metadata
at all, anywhere -- instead of not only doing so deliberately, but doing
it in a place that you have zero control over and that your adversaries
can access far more easily than you can.  (Please don't even try to tell
me stuff like "my Facebook group is private".  The only possible response
to a fairy tale like that is mocking laughter.)

If you insist on blundering ahead with "social networks" anyway, because
you're too stubborn to listen or too naive to think it can happen to
you, then as soon as you become a problem for an adversary with the
requisite resources -- that is, as soon as you become effective at
annoying someone with money or power -- they're going to exploit this.

---rsk

p.s. And as if this wasn't enough, in case you haven't noticed, the US
is now demanding "social network" passwords from people entering the
country.  Howls of protest have gone up, and a joint letter from a
coalition of human rights and civil liberties organizations has been
penned.  The combined impact of all this will be zero.  This administration
doesn't care for 

Re: [HN] Cloudflare Reverse Proxies Are Dumping Uninitialized Memory

2017-02-24 Thread Razer
Cloudflare bug was a result of "ScrapeShield" "feature" that inserts 
trackers into html.


https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-scrapeshield-discover-defend-dete/

https://twitter.com/RichFelker/status/834916213344112647



On 02/24/2017 08:53 AM, Razer wrote:

Update @Clodflare

https://blog.cloudflare.com/incident-report-on-memory-leak-caused-by-cloudflare-parser-bug/ 



Rr

Ps. Portals (AOL etc) & dDos prevention sites like Cloudflare, Akmai 
(etc) intrinsically defeat the purpose of 'distributed networking' 
TCP/IP was designed for! Suckers. If you were on Arpanet you'd still 
have distributed networking. But they can't allow that sort of 
freedom-of-information-transfer now can they... Citizen?



On 02/23/2017 07:06 PM, Mirimir wrote:

So tptacek's comment summarizes it well:

| Oh, my god.
|
| Read the whole event log.
|
| If you were behind Cloudflare and it was proxying sensitive data
| (the contents of HTTP POSTs, ), they've potentially been spraying
| it into caches all across the Internet; it was so bad that Tavis
| found it by accident just looking through Google search results.
|
| The crazy thing here is that the Project Zero people were joking
| last night about a disclosure that was going to keep everyone at
| work late today. And, this morning, Google announced the SHA-1
| collision, which everyone (including the insiders who leaked that
| the SHA-1 collision was coming) thought was the big announcement.
|
| Nope. A SHA-1 collision, it turns out, is the minor security news
| of the day.
|
| This is approximately as bad as it ever gets. A significant number
| of companies probably need to compose customer notifications; it's,
| at this point, very difficult to rule out unauthorized disclosure
| of anything that traversed Cloudflare.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13718752







Re: [HN] Cloudflare Reverse Proxies Are Dumping Uninitialized Memory

2017-02-24 Thread Razer

Update @Clodflare

https://blog.cloudflare.com/incident-report-on-memory-leak-caused-by-cloudflare-parser-bug/

Rr

Ps. Portals (AOL etc) & dDos prevention sites like Cloudflare, Akmai 
(etc) intrinsically defeat the purpose of 'distributed networking' 
TCP/IP was designed for! Suckers. If you were on Arpanet you'd still 
have distributed networking. But they can't allow that sort of 
freedom-of-information-transfer now can they... Citizen?



On 02/23/2017 07:06 PM, Mirimir wrote:

So tptacek's comment summarizes it well:

| Oh, my god.
|
| Read the whole event log.
|
| If you were behind Cloudflare and it was proxying sensitive data
| (the contents of HTTP POSTs, ), they've potentially been spraying
| it into caches all across the Internet; it was so bad that Tavis
| found it by accident just looking through Google search results.
|
| The crazy thing here is that the Project Zero people were joking
| last night about a disclosure that was going to keep everyone at
| work late today. And, this morning, Google announced the SHA-1
| collision, which everyone (including the insiders who leaked that
| the SHA-1 collision was coming) thought was the big announcement.
|
| Nope. A SHA-1 collision, it turns out, is the minor security news
| of the day.
|
| This is approximately as bad as it ever gets. A significant number
| of companies probably need to compose customer notifications; it's,
| at this point, very difficult to rule out unauthorized disclosure
| of anything that traversed Cloudflare.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13718752





Re: Did you ever change your political/social views after trolling in a cpunks thread?

2017-02-24 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Georgi Guninski  wrote:

> Did you ever change your political/social views after trolling in a
> cpunks thread?
>
> Strengthening your beliefs doesn't count since it happens all the time.

I stopped to trust on Tor Project, Wikileaks, and some contacts and
institutions so strongly as I always used to trust, Georgi.  I know
there are good people in some projects and institutions, but there is
something very 'strange'  - and governments' agents -  behind some of
them.

And I will be much happier when Trump decides to be a good President,
instead of an incompetent and prejudiced jerk.  I don't have any
problem to praise enemies when they are right and to criticise friends
when they are wrong.  Each one of us has good and bad characteristics,
good and bad actions.


Did you ever change your political/social views after trolling in a cpunks thread?

2017-02-24 Thread Georgi Guninski
Did you ever change your political/social views after trolling in a
cpunks thread?

Strengthening your beliefs doesn't count since it happens all the time.

lol


Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

2017-02-24 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
Hi, shiny happy people!  :D

I promised to thank Trump publicly when he was able to do a thing I
really appreciate.  Due to his silly, very incompetent administrative
and economic actions and decisions, the dollar lost a lot of its value
in my country and today I paid 30% less in a bottle of imported wine
than I paid in last October.  Thank you for being so stupid, Mr.
Trump!  All the times you destroy your country's economy, the dollar
loses value and importance in the whole world, wheee!!!  :D


Re: 10 judges are nuts.

2017-02-24 Thread Razer



On 02/24/2017 01:19 AM, John Newman wrote:

On Feb 23, 2017, at 11:56 PM, Razer  wrote:




On 02/23/2017 08:44 PM, juan wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 19:24:03 -0700
Mirimir  wrote:



It was WWII that led to economic prosperity in the US. The war effort
built up industry. Europe and Asia were in ruins. The sense of shared
sacrifice encouraged hard work, and more equity. There were good
investment opportunities.

Only partially correct. The 'war effort' destroyed industry and
competitors outside of the US and made the whole of the world
subservient to the US nazi government. That in turn meant that
the americunts were able to sell coca cola all over the world,
among other things...



If the German Nazis won we'd be drinking Fanta Cola instead.

http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/fanta.asp

Odd though. You can still buy Fanta in the US. It must be a 5th column!

Rr

I'm afraid Trump is going to get the Mexican coca-cola, the shit in
a glass bottle made with real cane sugar, locked up on the other
side of the border due to his fucking wall/trade wars/deportations/etc

Mexican coke is good! Err, mexican coca-cola...






Hate to say it but most indigenous Mexicans would relish that. Coca Cola 
has privatized most of Mexico's water, and maybe that would knock the 
price of water down. But for the brown bubbly sugar water,,, I think the 
local family restaurant has connections. Sort of like Okie cigarette 
smuggling out of the trunks of windowless Dodge Chargers


Rr.




Re: Is email really that hard?

2017-02-24 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:17 PM, oshwm  wrote:
> On 22 February 2017 17:02:50 GMT+00:00, Cecilia Tanaka 
>  wrote:

>>oshwm wasn't being offensive or aggressive.  He/she  (I don't know
>
> No, i was being an arsehole :)

Arseholes are primarily used to excrete fecal matter, but also can be
used in more interesting ways and give pleasure.  Your choice.  :)

>>whether is a girl or a boy, never needed to ask it)  was just
>
> Is that important to you?

Absolutely not, you should be what makes you happy and comfortable.
The problem exists only when I need to mention you or use Latin
languages and need to make grammatical concordances.

> No, Eugen threatened to leave the list if we didn't do as they wanted - as if 
> they were doing us a great favour by blessing us with their 'presence'.
> Eugen's participation is for their own benefit, any benefit we get is a side 
> effect and can be gained from multiple sources.

If he decides to write and share technical stuff, I swear I will feel
blessed, sweetie.  I like his posts and it would be amazing to read
something more 'cypher' than 'punk' here.  He still writes on other
lists and his posts are interesting.

> This is supposed to be Cypherpunks, not cypher-rather-nice-gentle-ppl and as 
> such the noise is as important as the signal (imho of course).

I don't like too much noise, but it can be inspiring to some of us.
Mozart wrote an amazing aria inspired by his mother-in-law's hysteric
whining and it's pretty beautiful, impressive.  The aria, not the
whining, of course.  :)

> The calls for moderation have made me wonder if they are attempts by some 3rd 
> party (grubbyments?) to take control of something they haven't been able to 
> defeat and to subdue it to the point that participants walk away from 
> something that no longer stands for anything worthwhile.

So many possibilities...

> Although the irony of my response did give me cause to smile.

Oh, I know the feeling very well...  ;)


Re: 10 judges are nuts.

2017-02-24 Thread John Newman

> On Feb 23, 2017, at 11:56 PM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 02/23/2017 08:44 PM, juan wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 19:24:03 -0700
>> Mirimir  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> It was WWII that led to economic prosperity in the US. The war effort
>>> built up industry. Europe and Asia were in ruins. The sense of shared
>>> sacrifice encouraged hard work, and more equity. There were good
>>> investment opportunities.
>>Only partially correct. The 'war effort' destroyed industry and
>>competitors outside of the US and made the whole of the world
>>subservient to the US nazi government. That in turn meant that
>>the americunts were able to sell coca cola all over the world,
>>among other things...
>> 
> 
> 
> If the German Nazis won we'd be drinking Fanta Cola instead.
> 
> http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/fanta.asp
> 
> Odd though. You can still buy Fanta in the US. It must be a 5th column!
> 
> Rr

I'm afraid Trump is going to get the Mexican coca-cola, the shit in
a glass bottle made with real cane sugar, locked up on the other
side of the border due to his fucking wall/trade wars/deportations/etc

Mexican coke is good! Err, mexican coca-cola...


Re: 10 judges are nuts.

2017-02-24 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 01:21:58AM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
> The US has gone paranoid expeditionary since decades,
> that's very hard psycological problem to recover from.
> Often outcome is spiral till weak and ultimately dead.

> to need defended against. Yet know, giving up powerful tools of freedom,
> no matter the tool, even in a current state of freedom, is stupid, because
> tomorrow can still happen, faster than ever thought before.

Ack!


[WAR] Deep state planning a coup against Trump

2017-02-24 Thread Coordinator
Now the "conspiracy theory" that the deep state is planning a coup
in the USA against Trump (courtesy the usual MOTU ultra-oligarchs)
may be just that, and plenty of folks would be cheering the result.

But there would be those who would rue the day and say "oh well,
Trump must have been against the 'establishment', that's really
too bad they got the better of him".

But of course, then would be too late to do anything about that...

Good luck fellow humans,




NaturalNews.com 


Alert: Health Ranger being taken out by Google and the CIA
Mike Adams  

The assault is on... I am being silenced by Google because of the content of
my speech, and as you'll hear in today's emergency interview with Dave Hodges,
he believes there are *CIA elements at work* to take out anyone who threatens
the deep state status quo.

Today I've posted an emergency broadcast interview with Hodges, which reveals
the shocking details of why and how the deep state is silencing the most
prominent pro-Trump voices as *a prelude to an overthrow attempt that will be
staged against Trump*.

"Civil war" doesn't even begin to describe what's actually happening. It's a
*criminal coup* being waged in cooperation with the pro-fascist corporations
like Google which are now running the censorship of speech to silence
"unwanted" voices.

*Read the full article, and share everywhere 
*.
(Much more to come.)
...