date:20171222

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 11:56:29PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 9:24 PM, g2s  wrote:
> > Read the Vinay Gupta post.
> 
> Re waste, Mars, coin, and why I respect and value Vinay...
> https://medium.com/humanizing-the-singularity/2018-year-in-preview-the-future-of-cryptocurrency-b99110480ff0
> 
> "we better be solving some real global problems"

Damn fine thoughts collected.

Anyone who don't get their second neurone firing at least once while
reading this, just ain't in the right neighbourhood!

Daŋkə schön :)

Re: RAYZER'S WET DREAM COME TRUE: BITCOIN CRASHES LOL

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 9:24 PM, g2s  wrote:
> Read the Vinay Gupta post.

Re waste, Mars, coin, and why I respect and value Vinay...
https://medium.com/humanizing-the-singularity/2018-year-in-preview-the-future-of-cryptocurrency-b99110480ff0

"we better be solving some real global problems"

Re: Vinay Gupta (Ethereum Project ) on BTC

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 8:54 PM, g2s  wrote:
> "It's becoming increasingly necessary to split the "making the internet work
> properly" faction from the "holy shit free money" faction in the
> crypto-currency situation. THERE IS NO FREE MONEY. There's only risk: if we
> can't make the global economy more efficient, your BTC hits $0"
>
> Thread  https://twitter.com/leashless/status/944379528322994176

I've posted Vinay here a few times, an interesting and respectable
deep thinker, well worth reading and a convo with anytime.

https://medium.com/@leashless
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vinay+gupta

https://twitter.com/mattereum

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rahulsingireddy/2017/10/18/vinay-gupta-on-why-ethereum-is-the-future/

USA: National Security Strategy, Juan's Wet Dream

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/NSS-Final-12-18-2017-0905.pdf

http://beyondthemarquee.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/902274_10153332384195401_182169004_o.jpg
https://img00.deviantart.net/580e/i/2012/043/5/a/giant_hammer___drow_by_zephyr_aryn-d4pkhrv.png
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Found some holiday gifts for my friend Juan ;)

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2017-12-22 Thread Happy Birthday !

> Marina Brown catskillmarina at gmaíl.com
> Fri Dec 22 13:03:42 PST 2017

> It would be ever so nice if the list got back
> to talking about privacy and cryptography
This is a political list.
Privacy and Cryptography are two of many topics.
Though Socialism and Gommunism are the same thing.

> rather than worshipping hitler.
You're the only one bringing up Hitler.
Pic related.

Some say he did nothing wrong.
I disagree.

Joyful Yuletide to you and your cats, Marina.

Re: RAYZER'S WET DREAM COME TRUE: BITCOIN CRASHES LOL

Read the Vinay Gupta post.
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Re: RAYZER'S WET DREAM COME TRUE: BITCOIN CRASHES LOL

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 6:48 PM, John Newman  wrote:
> Burning carbon to generate wattage simply for the
> purpose of proving work generating hashes, without doing
> anything useful, seems like an awful waste. We are baking
> the earth quickly enough, aren't we?

Well, how many gigawatts does it take to print fiat?
Including tree chopping, paper making, factory building,
shipping, counting, everything that goes into that year on year?
What about constructing all the bank buildings, heating, cooling,
lighting, and feeding their dehumanizing datamining datacenters?
And the fuel burnt by bankers going to / from work, the oil shredded
off their tires, and all the pointless posh shit they buy for their homes?
All the politicians and their buildings?
The colossal war machines and the fuel and resources
to keep them roving around the world 24x7x365 for
nothing but zero sum MAD and murder?
The constant patrol of imaginary decreed and artificial
inefficiency inducing borders?

Just how many gigawatts and resources wasted there?
Versus say saving for or getting humanity off the rock?

At least crypto is not much more than sand and electrons,
hopefully someday solar derived through consensus.

Seems like giving the world's humanity privacy cryptocurrency
such that they can personally make earning and spending decisions
that actually count for humanity, instead of having their work stolen
from them by force by rulers for the rulers... might end up being
quite efficient.

Worldwide tradition of New Years resolutions coming up,
how many will involve crypto in some way

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2017-12-22 Thread Happy Birthday !

> John Newman jnn at synfin.org
> Fri Dec 22 15:30:57 PST 2017

> YubiKey was defective!
I think that is by design.

> The simplest method to secure login to
> computers, networks and internet services.""
> no oxford comma
These faggots don't even know how to write a sentence.  Yet you trust
them with securing your shit ?

> two-factor authentication
Two ?
1. User Name
2. Pass Phrase
3. One-time / Stored Key

These niggers can't even count.  Yet you trust them with securing your
shit ?

They also don't tell you how it works, only how to use it. I am not sure
they even know. Lol.

Also,
>> Yubico has replaced all open-source components in YubiKey 4 with
>> closed-source code, which can no longer be independently reviewed
>> for security flaws.""
>> Yubikey NEOs are still using open-source code.""

And,
>> In October 2017, security researchers found a vulnerability (known as
>> ROCA) in the implementation of RSA keypair generation in a
>> cryptographic library used by a large number of Infineon security
>> chips. The vulnerability allows an attacker to reconstruct the
>> private key by using the public key.[18][19] All YubiKey 4, YubiKey
>> 4C, and YubiKey 4 nano within the revisions 4.2.6 to 4.3.4 are
>> affected by this vulnerability.""

Did you get the networked one or the touch ?

Vinay Gupta (Ethereum Project ) on BTC

"It's becoming increasingly necessary to split the "making the internet work 
properly" faction from the "holy shit free money" faction in the 
crypto-currency situation. THERE IS NO FREE MONEY. There's only risk: if we 
can't make the global economy more efficient, your BTC hits $0"
Thread  https://twitter.com/leashless/status/944379528322994176

Re: RAYZER'S WET DREAM COME TRUE: BITCOIN CRASHES LOL

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 6:48 PM, John Newman  wrote:
> A brief point... The whole proof of work calculation that is done
> in the process of Bitcoin activity would be far more
> interesting if it did something useful. I suppose this is
> much easier said than done - how do you precisely
> quantify "useful work" (eg crunching data on the genome,
> on folding proteins, on SETI, etc)...

> Are there are any digital currencies working in this
> direction?

Maybe there are some, try searching bitcointalk.
Does breeding virtual crypto kitties qualify / useful?

> Is it even feasible?

Maybe, so long as the work being computed over is decentrally sourced
like bitcoin transactions are.
ie: You can't trust big pharma or even seti@home to not eventually corrupt
say the flow of work source units to eventually preferential /
adversarial to you
entities.
However it is conceivable that every miner could downlink the random sky of the
universe through their own personally owned satellite dishes / RTL-SDR
units into
a cooperative long baseline shared data distribution mesh and somehow crunch
away at that with its unit verification by peers being the proof of
work upon which
blocks ride. Yet still, unless you have a way around cryptanalysis / easy attack
that SHA-256 and the other hard crypto were instituted to prevent?... no savings
there, you'd just be computing two things on one chain, which could wind up
with one endeavour being felt pointless, thus taking down the other for being
suboptimal waste, unless you could plugin other crap like over ETH.
Maybe you can design one.

> I take only a mild interest in Bitcoin having sold (used, actually) a number 
> of coins at $400-$600 a couple years
> ago and feeling foolish now

So long as cryptocurrency remains unstoppable under various remaining
and hopefully increasing freedoms, and up till the time it reaches forex
capital flow equilibrium with any remaining fiat currencies, it will be on sale,
and probably quite profitable and world changing compared to other
investments. Most seem to say a 5-10% allocation towards crypto would
not be foolish, even up against any risk of total loss. Over 8+ years since
the first of many Genesis says that won't happen. Hodling says you can
say you were there for the next 8.

Re: RAYZER'S WET DREAM COME TRUE: BITCOIN CRASHES LOL

2017-12-22 Thread Marina Brown

On 12/22/2017 06:48 PM, John Newman wrote:
> 
> 
> On December 22, 2017 4:33:54 PM EST, grarpamp  wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Gaycoin  wrote:
>>> Coin went from ~20K to almost half it's value in a few days.
>>
>> Normal, been there, done that...
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7leubr/fact_tonight_is_the_fifth_30_correction_of_2017/
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hlN2nel5HI
>>
>>> 1,000,000.00
>>> 100,000.00
>>> 10,000.00 <--- You are here
>>
>> At least two more magnitudes remain to unlock.
>>
>>> reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7leq7t/bought_at_19500_ama/
>>
>> For posterity...
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7le7t9/bitcoin_today/
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7lhgeq/waking_up_today_and_checking_prices/
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7lg5dt/quick_grab_the_offer/
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7lfm1b/so_the_10k_prediction_by_the_end_of_the_year_was/
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7lf70e/why_crypto_crashed_today/
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7lhj3w/to_the_new_guys_lets_see_how_tough_you_really_are/
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7ler9l/number_of_hodlers_with_strong_hands/
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7lefhw/current_state_of_the_crypto_world/
>>
>> Whatever the new line of support ends up being,
>> it'll be a hella strong launchpad to the next one.
>>
>> Cryptocurrency is still early days, there are but three primary
>> rules...
>>
>> 1) Stay agile 2) Buy dips 3) HODL...
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90dQQYp2QWM
>> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=crypto+hodl
>>
>> and of course
>>
>> 4) Work on adoption while ignoring the markets
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lql_bwZoZs
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3cKBDBabtA
>>
>> 5) Spend and annoy a statist
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ0XcvHgpTc
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdJGmOnTURc
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woOodUglSrk
>> or just live
>> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=living+on+bitcoin
>>
>>
>>> Scumbags
>>
>> Some say BTC is pretty scummy with crazy fees and all...
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/7ld7vp/greg_maxwell_uncorks_the_champagne_to_celebrate/
>>
>>
>>> hemp
>>
>> Aren't there already some drug coins?
>> So buy some, smoke a lil, and dig the audiovisuals...
>> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=marijuana+music
>> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=psychedelic+music
>>
>>
>> In crypto we trust...
> 
> A brief point... The whole proof of work calculation that is done
> in the process of Bitcoin activity would be far more 
> interesting if it did something useful. I suppose this is 
> much easier said than done - how do you precisely 
> quantify "useful work" (eg crunching data on the genome,
> on folding proteins, on SETI, etc)...
> 

One way a friend and i thought of was to use bitcoin tech but make the
coin far far more divisible - something like 10^10 or even more and have
the blocks signed by some sort of mint. The "mint: could be SETI or
genome projects or the like. The way we thought to get rid of the energy
problem would be to only issue a very very small portion of the blockchain.

The obvious problem is the centralization, though there could be many
signers that could issue work-coins for worthy projects.

Not sure if my understanding of the tech is right but it was something
we thought a bit about.


> Burning carbon to generate wattage simply for the 
> purpose of proving work generating hashes, without doing 
> anything useful, seems like an awful waste. We are baking
> the earth quickly enough, aren't we?
> 
> Are there are any digital currencies working in this 
> direction? Is it even feasible?  
> 
> I take only a mild interest in Bitcoin having sold (used, actually) a number 
> of coins at $400-$600 a couple years
> ago and feeling foolish now, but I also recognize the
> environmental problem.
> 
> Cheers
> John
>

Re: RAYZER'S WET DREAM COME TRUE: BITCOIN CRASHES LOL

2017-12-22 Thread John Newman



On December 22, 2017 4:33:54 PM EST, grarpamp  wrote:
>On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Gaycoin  wrote:
>> Coin went from ~20K to almost half it's value in a few days.
>
>Normal, been there, done that...
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7leubr/fact_tonight_is_the_fifth_30_correction_of_2017/
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hlN2nel5HI
>
>> 1,000,000.00
>> 100,000.00
>> 10,000.00 <--- You are here
>
>At least two more magnitudes remain to unlock.
>
>> reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7leq7t/bought_at_19500_ama/
>
>For posterity...
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7le7t9/bitcoin_today/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7lhgeq/waking_up_today_and_checking_prices/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7lg5dt/quick_grab_the_offer/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7lfm1b/so_the_10k_prediction_by_the_end_of_the_year_was/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7lf70e/why_crypto_crashed_today/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7lhj3w/to_the_new_guys_lets_see_how_tough_you_really_are/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7ler9l/number_of_hodlers_with_strong_hands/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7lefhw/current_state_of_the_crypto_world/
>
>Whatever the new line of support ends up being,
>it'll be a hella strong launchpad to the next one.
>
>Cryptocurrency is still early days, there are but three primary
>rules...
>
>1) Stay agile 2) Buy dips 3) HODL...
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90dQQYp2QWM
>https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=crypto+hodl
>
>and of course
>
>4) Work on adoption while ignoring the markets
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lql_bwZoZs
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3cKBDBabtA
>
>5) Spend and annoy a statist
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ0XcvHgpTc
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdJGmOnTURc
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woOodUglSrk
>or just live
>https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=living+on+bitcoin
>
>
>> Scumbags
>
>Some say BTC is pretty scummy with crazy fees and all...
>https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/7ld7vp/greg_maxwell_uncorks_the_champagne_to_celebrate/
>
>
>> hemp
>
>Aren't there already some drug coins?
>So buy some, smoke a lil, and dig the audiovisuals...
>https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=marijuana+music
>https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=psychedelic+music
>
>
>In crypto we trust...

A brief point... The whole proof of work calculation that is done
in the process of Bitcoin activity would be far more 
interesting if it did something useful. I suppose this is 
much easier said than done - how do you precisely 
quantify "useful work" (eg crunching data on the genome,
on folding proteins, on SETI, etc)...

Burning carbon to generate wattage simply for the 
purpose of proving work generating hashes, without doing 
anything useful, seems like an awful waste. We are baking
the earth quickly enough, aren't we?

Are there are any digital currencies working in this 
direction? Is it even feasible?  

I take only a mild interest in Bitcoin having sold (used, actually) a number of 
coins at $400-$600 a couple years
ago and feeling foolish now, but I also recognize the
environmental problem.

Cheers
John


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2017-12-22 Thread John Newman



On December 22, 2017 4:03:42 PM EST, Marina Brown  
wrote:
>On 12/22/2017 12:11 PM, John Newman wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On December 21, 2017 5:58:00 PM EST, Sandal Snare 
>wrote:
 Marina Brown catskillmarina at gmā́il.comm
 Thu Dec 21 13:03:57 PST 2017
>>>
 pride to "White" nationalists
>>>
>>> The US government classifies Hispanics as "White", so I am not sure
>>> what
>>> kind of fucked up argument you are making.
>>>
>>> "White" also includes most of the Jewish community.
>>>
>>> I am beginning to realize that you don't know shit about politics,
>>> history, or even reality.
>>>
 US political parties
>>> Are private, for-profit corporations.
>>> Yet you occupy wallstreet antifa anarcho-commies support one.
>>> The one that is historically racist.
>>>
 and more cops.
>>> "Democrat"-lead cities and counties, such as Chicago IL and Alameda
>CA,
>>> have the greatest police presence.  Because they are racists who see
>>> "color" like you.
>>>
>>> Please inform yourself instead of spreading lies on this list.
>>>
 anti-privacy figures on the Trump admin side.
 Disgusting.
>>> Correct.
>>> The Autist Formerly Known as Julian Assange is ante privacy.
>>> So are many of the people on this list.
>>> And ante freedom.
>>> Save for "juan", "zztop", and maybe "grarpamp".
>> 
>> ROFL. Im not sure your little team there actually has any
>> interest in working together. I do think you and zzz make a 
>> cosy pair, a couple of "irreverent nazis" linked arm in 
>> arm, goose stepping in your best lederhosen, talking
>> only amongst yourselves.
>> 
>> 
>
>It would be ever so nice if the list got back to talking about privacy
>and cryptography rather than worshipping hitler.

+1

My apologies for responding to clowns.  I need to update
my filters.

In crypto news... I got a YubiKey..and it was defective!
Did nothing, was recognized as nothing when plugged in.
Im waiting on the replacement.


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[RUS] Yolo's money shot^Bquote — “I would still like to at least get some facts supporting our unsuccessful meddling.”

Oh how we love a good troll. And All the better when it's a troll
stating a fact. And on the international stage, Sergei "Yolo" Lavrov
is a troll on a roll, at the top of his game (+ with a number of
other Russkie public figures to be frank) - a great time in history
for the comedy connoisseur.

** Watch Russian FM Call British FM a Liar To His Face -
He's Absolutely Right (Video)
https://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f=5e5c8c60a4=5110f4b440

by Michael Bateman on Fri, Dec 22, 2017
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when at first we practice to deceive
... Lavrov is on a roll here. Three weeks ago he, correctly, called
US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley a liar, albeit, not to her face.
Watch Boris Johnson bumble through this embarrassing exchange with
Lavrov in Moscow yesterday.

One thing we can say about Trump, he appears to be speeding up the
end game, leaving foreign and military policy essentially to the war
hawks - whether this is a good or a bad thing is debatable, but more
war is certainly not less war, and more guns and bombs does not mean
less shooting and deaths:

** Israel, Saudi Arabia and the US Are About to Invade Syria - Brace
For Impact
https://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f=1983c2721d=5110f4b440

by Alexander Orlov on Fri, Dec 22, 2017
The Russian Defense Ministry recently announced that the United
States is training a new armed force at the former refugee camp in El
Khaseq province, citing the Center for Syrian Reconciliation.

** Trump Opens up US Arms Sales to Kiev, Escalates War in East
Ukraine, and Ensures More Russian Aid for Rebels
https://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f=70eb104c29=5110f4b440

by Daniel Larison on Fri, Dec 22, 2017
Trump is pressing ahead with the foolish option of arming Ukraine:
The Trump administration has approved the first ever U.S. commercial
sale of lethal defensive weapons to Ukraine, in a clear break from
the de facto U.S. ban on arms sales that dates back to the Obama
administration.

** Iran Is on a Roll - the Deep State Is Definitely Planning a Major
Attack
https://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f=745f947e92=5110f4b440

by (Fash the Nation)Tom Shackleford on Fri, Dec 22, 2017
Primer on Iran Iran is a nation with a long and proud history, dating
back to the Persian empire. It is about the size of Western Europe
and has a population in excess of 80 million. Iran also has the 3rd
largest reserves of conventional (cheaply extracted) oil in the world
and the 2nd largest natural gas reserves. Iran is clearly a force to
be reckoned with. As such, it considers itself the protector of Shi’a
Muslims, who often live under extreme Sunni repression throughout the
region. No amount of US pressure has succeeded in halting the
“protector” policy.

Re: RAYZER'S WET DREAM COME TRUE: BITCOIN CRASHES LOL

Come on dude, did you ever expect a true revolution to happen at
your local Goldman Sachs branch?



On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 10:38:43AM -0800, g2s wrote:
> Actually a real alternative digital currency based on a rational and stable 
> commodity, such as hemp, would be good. But the kind of scumbags interested 
> in btc would NEVER consider investing in something they couldn't get rich on 
> quick, so the whole concept is fuck-ed. If, by some quirk of fate,  btc had 
> appeared in the 1980s or early 90s before those scumbags began infesting the 
> computer industry, it MIGHT HAVE worked out, but as I said before, TimMay's 
> ideation of btc died in infancy. Those scumbags btw, are undoubtedly why TM 
> retired to the hills of Corrolitos, where hippies once ran free before the 
> geeks moved in, and gtfo of the industry.
> Rr
>  Original message From: Gaycoin  Date: 
> 12/21/17  11:56 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: 
> RAYZER'S WET DREAM COME TRUE: BITCOIN CRASHES LOL 
> Coin went from ~20K to almost half it's value in a few days.
> 
> 1,000,000.00
> 100,000.00
> 10,000.00 <--- You are here
> 1,000.00
> 100.00
> 10.00
> 1.00
> 0.01
> 
> Plebbit is in full meltdown.
> This faggot lost it all:
> reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7leq7t/bought_at_19500_ama/
> 
> Pic related.
> 
> Should have invested in Gaycoin.
> Lol.

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On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 12:11:43PM -0500, John Newman wrote:
> ROFL. Im not sure your little team there actually has any
> interest in working together. I do think you and zzz make a 
> cosy pair, a couple of "irreverent nazis" linked arm in 
> arm, goose stepping in your best lederhosen, talking
> only amongst yourselves.

Even you make the occasional contribution, which is a little more
frereshing than the bouts of spontaneous Liberal hysteria we used
to see from ya :D

Re: RAYZER'S WET DREAM COME TRUE: BITCOIN CRASHES LOL

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Gaycoin  wrote:
> Coin went from ~20K to almost half it's value in a few days.

Normal, been there, done that...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7leubr/fact_tonight_is_the_fifth_30_correction_of_2017/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hlN2nel5HI

> 1,000,000.00
> 100,000.00
> 10,000.00 <--- You are here

At least two more magnitudes remain to unlock.

> reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7leq7t/bought_at_19500_ama/

For posterity...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7le7t9/bitcoin_today/
https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7lhgeq/waking_up_today_and_checking_prices/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7lg5dt/quick_grab_the_offer/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7lfm1b/so_the_10k_prediction_by_the_end_of_the_year_was/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7lf70e/why_crypto_crashed_today/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7lhj3w/to_the_new_guys_lets_see_how_tough_you_really_are/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7ler9l/number_of_hodlers_with_strong_hands/
https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7lefhw/current_state_of_the_crypto_world/

Whatever the new line of support ends up being,
it'll be a hella strong launchpad to the next one.

Cryptocurrency is still early days, there are but three primary rules...

1) Stay agile 2) Buy dips 3) HODL...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90dQQYp2QWM
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=crypto+hodl

and of course

4) Work on adoption while ignoring the markets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lql_bwZoZs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3cKBDBabtA

5) Spend and annoy a statist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ0XcvHgpTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdJGmOnTURc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woOodUglSrk
or just live
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=living+on+bitcoin

> Scumbags

Some say BTC is pretty scummy with crazy fees and all...
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/7ld7vp/greg_maxwell_uncorks_the_champagne_to_celebrate/

> hemp

Aren't there already some drug coins?
So buy some, smoke a lil, and dig the audiovisuals...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=marijuana+music
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=psychedelic+music

In crypto we trust...

Re: Fw: Fwd: Fw: WHAT HAPPENED?

2017-12-22 Thread Marina Brown

On 12/22/2017 12:11 PM, John Newman wrote:
> 
> 
> On December 21, 2017 5:58:00 PM EST, Sandal Snare  wrote:
>>> Marina Brown catskillmarina at gmā́il.comm
>>> Thu Dec 21 13:03:57 PST 2017
>>
>>> pride to "White" nationalists
>>
>> The US government classifies Hispanics as "White", so I am not sure
>> what
>> kind of fucked up argument you are making.
>>
>> "White" also includes most of the Jewish community.
>>
>> I am beginning to realize that you don't know shit about politics,
>> history, or even reality.
>>
>>> US political parties
>> Are private, for-profit corporations.
>> Yet you occupy wallstreet antifa anarcho-commies support one.
>> The one that is historically racist.
>>
>>> and more cops.
>> "Democrat"-lead cities and counties, such as Chicago IL and Alameda CA,
>> have the greatest police presence.  Because they are racists who see
>> "color" like you.
>>
>> Please inform yourself instead of spreading lies on this list.
>>
>>> anti-privacy figures on the Trump admin side.
>>> Disgusting.
>> Correct.
>> The Autist Formerly Known as Julian Assange is ante privacy.
>> So are many of the people on this list.
>> And ante freedom.
>> Save for "juan", "zztop", and maybe "grarpamp".
> 
> ROFL. Im not sure your little team there actually has any
> interest in working together. I do think you and zzz make a 
> cosy pair, a couple of "irreverent nazis" linked arm in 
> arm, goose stepping in your best lederhosen, talking
> only amongst yourselves.
> 
> 

It would be ever so nice if the list got back to talking about privacy
and cryptography rather than worshipping hitler.

Re: Fw: Fwd: Fw: WHAT HAPPENED?

2017-12-22 Thread Michalis Kargakis

#trollinghard

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Fw: Fwd: Fw: WHAT HAPPENED?
> Local Time: December 21, 2017 11:58 PM
> UTC Time: December 21, 2017 10:58 PM
> From: san...@cock.li
> To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org, catskillmar...@gmail.com
>
>> Marina Brown catskillmarina at gmā́il.comm
>> Thu Dec 21 13:03:57 PST 2017
>
>> pride to "White" nationalists
>
> The US government classifies Hispanics as "White", so I am not sure what
> kind of fucked up argument you are making.
>
> "White" also includes most of the Jewish community.
>
> I am beginning to realize that you don't know shit about politics,
> history, or even reality.
>
>> US political parties
>
> Are private, for-profit corporations.
> Yet you occupy wallstreet antifa anarcho-commies support one.
> The one that is historically racist.
>
>> and more cops.
>
> "Democrat"-lead cities and counties, such as Chicago IL and Alameda CA,
> have the greatest police presence. Because they are racists who see
> "color" like you.
>
> Please inform yourself instead of spreading lies on this list.
>
>> anti-privacy figures on the Trump admin side.
>> Disgusting.
>
> Correct.
> The Autist Formerly Known as Julian Assange is ante privacy.
> So are many of the people on this list.
> And ante freedom.
> Save for "juan", "zztop", and maybe "grarpamp".

Re: Zcash 2nd Ceremony Call for Review / Participation, @Snowden EFF ACLU Privacy Updates

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Georgi Guninski  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 12:27:50AM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
>> The Zcash Foundation’s Powers of Tau Ceremony
>> https://z.cash.foundation/blog/powers-of-tau/
>
> Don't know if this is true or not, some concerns over zcash:
>
> https://www.coindesk.com/investors-know-trading-zcash/
> What Investors Should Know Before Trading Zcash

RSA was at one time new and insufficiently understood and not
yet reviewed by large numbers of cryptographers and cryptanalysts,
even to this day and in the future some of RSA may be unknown.
Zk-SNARK related crypto is no different.
Continued publication and review will yield better understanding
of its security and any potential weaknesses and breaks.
Calling a crypto new pursuant to that process is fine.
Considering if new crypto is redundant use case and design to
existing well tested crypto families is fine.
Using new crypto in critical applications can be debated.
Simply calling new crypto bad or good without that public
process backing up the finding is wrong.

For coins that offer two modes, any default as to private or transparent
should be left to user choice, with client unset and unusable upon
startup until set pursuant to plainly documented helptext,
with per tx options thereafter. Then this is a non issue.

Many news outlets fail to understand that the docs say that
for the ceremony to fail it is all-must-fail, not one-must-fail.
Review the actual docs and code, determine if they are both
correct and strong.

"Cypherpunk Desert Bus" including intermediate versions and as
Updated on/after 20171010... archive.org, and other internet
commentaries from others available to date...

Yes, it is a good thing that you can search and find all sorts of
material regarding the crypto behind Zerocoin and Zerocash that
needs to continue going through the very serious matter and
process of understanding, reviewing. proving, reproducing
builds and ceremonies, etc. Here are two more papers...

http://zerocoin.org/
http://zerocash-project.org/

Zcash seems actively calling for such review.

People should engage in that review since regardless whether
Zcash any of the other Z coins or even cryptocurrency is of interest,
the new zero knowledge crypto and use cases will apply to a wide
range of applications, thus it really does need to be proven or
debunked by a much wider crypto and applied community.

No different than say both the underlying crypto and ceremonies
of DNS root and CA keys... serious business.

Crap about founders rewards, "volatility", etc could apply to
any coin and isn't part of zk-snark crypto, builds, ceremonies.

Who designed and implemented a crypto could apply, though
usually ends up being transcended / mooted over sufficent
timescales under opensource public analysis.

As with the ongoing "M" mix question, the only way to answer
the "Z" question is to get down to the business of reviewing it...

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

As I said 'confused' about the difference between fascism... quaintly and 
incorrectly called national socialism  (because it doesn't even watch out for 
the well being of all citizens within its borders) and Socialism.
Rr
Ps. To the junkfile list with you.

 Original message From: Sandal Snare  Date: 
12/21/17  3:16 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org, 
g...@riseup.net Subject: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 
> g2s g2s at ri̇́seup.net
> Sat Dec 16 14:08:17 PST 2017

> Ennio was confused.

Was he.
I included an image that I think is relevant.

TL;DC:
Fascism = Wehrmacht Germany
Wehrmacht Germany = Socialism
Socialism = Gommunism
Gommunism = Fascism





As I said 'confused' about the difference between fascism... quaintly and 
incorrectly called national socialism  (because it doesn't even watch out for 
the well being of all citizens within its borders) and Socialism.
Rr
Ps. To the junkfile list with you.

Re: RAYZER'S WET DREAM COME TRUE: BITCOIN CRASHES LOL