Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 15:01:46 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > >> > >> So? Well, if they [mix networks] are not being implemented, they're not > >> very useful. > > > > not useful for what? > > Huh? Are you retarded? Sure, you and your friends can setup some super > duper mix network, but it won't do you any fucking good. Because, you > know, you're the only people using it. And once an adversary gets > access, you're totally screwed. Sure, but now you jumped to something else. What about keeping track of the topic at hand? Topic : there are no secure mix networks because people (stupidly) use more 'convenient' stuff. And while the faster, less secure stuff does have its use cases, so do the other systems. So what's retarded here is your line of thinking "there are no better options cause they are not useful' > > >> You > >> can fume all you want about some ideal that ought to exist. But that > >> alone doesn't really help much. > > > > you mean, discussing the 'technical details' doesn't 'help' whereas US > > military propaganda 'helps'? Well, of course, that's true, depending on > > what is being 'helped'... > > Sure, "discussing the 'technical details'" helps. But not if you're just > bitching about what's wrong with existing stuff. lol - in other words, there's a laundry list of criticism that you are fully unable to counter so you call it 'bitching'. > And unless you actually > mobilize some support and participation for whatever you want. I haven't > heard much of that from you. It should be self evident that explaining that tor is mostly useful to watch jewtube has the implicit goal of 'mobilizing support' for better alternatives. also notice that I am not an agent of the US military, but an independent individual from a banana republic - so my resources to 'mobilize support' are somewhat limited. > > > > oh, that's nice =) (just in the highly unlikely case that you are > > trying to mock me, bear in mind that the joke is on you =) ). > > No mocking involved. I do agree. And you know, I really don't love those > Americunt fascists either. Even though I'm living there now. And yet you seem to be very uncritical of a flagship project of the US military like tor. > > >> But that's not the only reason. There's also the > >> latency vs usability tradeoff. > > > > Which I think I acknowledged... > > Yes, you did. Barely. And them you hand-waved it away ;) Bullshit. Just in case my position isn't clear. You want to watch jewtube videos or control drones to murder children use tor, a 'low latency' network. You want some half decent anonimity? Use something else. This being the cpunks mailing list, not the tor mailing list, or other outlet for US military propaganda, it seems to me that your constant 'bitching' about 'usability' is misplaced. > > >> Or even if it is, maybe you ought to be > >> promoting them? > > > > And what am I doing here? > > So far, you've promoted Freenet. Which is arguably _worse_ than Tor. It's not my intention to promote freenet, and I barely promoted it. What needs to be done is getting rid of the tor scum =) > > >> But not Freenet! That shit is ~20 years out of date. More below. > > > > Keep trolling. So decentralized storage is 20 years out of date whereas > > using php to serve files behind a low quality proxy is the 'technology' of > > the next americunt century. > > No, Freenet is 20 years out of date. Because it makes _no_ attempt to > obscure IP addresses of peers. As far as I know, there is no protocol > for decentralized storage that does obscure IP addresses of peers. uh, so everything is 20 years out of date? > And so you need to use some overlay network. Such as VPNs and/or Tor. OK. So if you add a proxy before freenet then freenet is better than php in a centralized webserver? > > Or in this case, I2P. From what I've seen of i2p content(or complete lack of it) it's a lot worse than tor. Which is saying a lot... > Because there's no need to reach clearnet stuff. > However, I2P also has its issues. It's a lot smaller than Tor. And every > participant must be a router, analogous to a Tor relay. Which means that > participants attract more attention, and may get their IPs blacklisted. That's how a decentralized network works? If you are a peer you may attract attention. Not sure what kind of 'workaround' can be for that. If you use an 'overlay' then you will 'attract attention' for using an overlay, etc. > > For decentralized storage generally, I like IPFS. > For example, a year or > two ago I put "Fast Data Transfer via Tor" on IPFS.[0] And even though > I'm not currently running any IPFS nodes, it's still there. Because > enough people pinned it. If I hadn't disclosed that, it would be >
Re: Alex Jones Infowars Censored Off Social Media
Original message From: juan Date: 8/9/18 2:47 PM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Alex Jones Infowars Censored Off Social Media On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 12:14:21 -0700 Razer wrote: > presented by marketing scumholes like infowars freethoughtproject, etc. still, what did jones say to get all the american nazis to censor him? And even funnier, this happens under the trumpo monarchy? I think his main offense is calling the Sandy Hook school shootings a staged fiction, which caused his really really vicious midget following to harass, dun, and threaten the child victim's families. He created a situation where peoples lives were actually threatened over his callous blather. Inciting bullying and threats. He took no action to call them off. He's culpable and I hope he chokes to death on the vitamin supplements he hawks. Rr Ps. VenezuelaAnalysis page on FB is back online. Here's their statement on their site. it also appears on their FB page. https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/13990
Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not
On 08/09/2018 01:09 PM, juan wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:25:12 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > >> On 08/08/2018 11:01 PM, juan wrote: >>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:44:53 -0700 >>> Mirimir wrote: >>> >>> Anyway, I vaguely recall proposed higher-latency mix networks that would be usable for browsing, remote management, etc. But I haven't heard that any are actually getting implemented. >>> >>> so? >> >> So? Well, if they're not being implemented, they're not very useful. > > not useful for what? Huh? Are you retarded? Sure, you and your friends can setup some super duper mix network, but it won't do you any fucking good. Because, you know, you're the only people using it. And once an adversary gets access, you're totally screwed. >> You >> can fume all you want about some ideal that ought to exist. But that >> alone doesn't really help much. > > you mean, discussing the 'technical details' doesn't 'help' whereas US > military propaganda 'helps'? Well, of course, that's true, depending on what > is being 'helped'... Sure, "discussing the 'technical details'" helps. But not if you're just bitching about what's wrong with existing stuff. And unless you actually mobilize some support and participation for whatever you want. I haven't heard much of that from you. >> And yeah, I know that they're not being implemented because those >> Americunt fascists are so damn good at propaganda. I do tend to agree >> with you about that. > > oh, that's nice =) (just in the highly unlikely case that you are > trying to mock me, bear in mind that the joke is on you =) ). No mocking involved. I do agree. And you know, I really don't love those Americunt fascists either. Even though I'm living there now. >> But that's not the only reason. There's also the >> latency vs usability tradeoff. > > Which I think I acknowledged... Yes, you did. Barely. And them you hand-waved it away ;) >> Or even if it is, maybe you ought to be >> promoting them? > > And what am I doing here? So far, you've promoted Freenet. Which is arguably _worse_ than Tor. >> But not Freenet! That shit is ~20 years out of date. More below. > > Keep trolling. So decentralized storage is 20 years out of date whereas > using php to serve files behind a low quality proxy is the 'technology' of > the next americunt century. No, Freenet is 20 years out of date. Because it makes _no_ attempt to obscure IP addresses of peers. As far as I know, there is no protocol for decentralized storage that does obscure IP addresses of peers. And so you need to use some overlay network. Such as VPNs and/or Tor. Or in this case, I2P. Because there's no need to reach clearnet stuff. However, I2P also has its issues. It's a lot smaller than Tor. And every participant must be a router, analogous to a Tor relay. Which means that participants attract more attention, and may get their IPs blacklisted. For decentralized storage generally, I like IPFS. For example, a year or two ago I put "Fast Data Transfer via Tor" on IPFS.[0] And even though I'm not currently running any IPFS nodes, it's still there. Because enough people pinned it. If I hadn't disclosed that, it would be nontrivial for adversaries to link it to me. 0) https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmUDV2KHrAgs84oUc7z9zQmZ3whx1NB6YDPv8ZRuf4dutN/ > by the way, freenet is 18 years old and your employer the tor > corporation is 15 years old. So I guess tor is 'almost' ~20 years out of > date? > > > And you know, there's even older stuff than freenet, like the p2p > networks based on gnutella and they are of course superior to bittorrent, let > alone to 'web based' 'solutions'. Really? Gotta a link for that? I've been wondering where to get some current music at a decent price. I will _not_ use Spotify! >>> Not sure if you are keeping track of the 'issue' here. As far as I'm >>> concerned the 'issue' is not BROWSING THE FUCKING WEB but doing >>> 'cryptoanarchy' 'stuff' >> >> Huh? Just what the fuck else is "'cryptoanarchy' 'stuff'" then? > > > We were talking about assasination politics. And you barefacedly > declared that tor was 'good enough' for end users, 'good enough' for hidden > services, and 'good enough' for killing trump. So here the 'crypto anarchy > stuff' is AP. > > Now, are you trolling or what? You can't remember the topic of the > discussion from one message to the next? Or? OK, so how are you planning to use Augur or whatever without revealing your IP address? And actually, if I said that Tor would work with Augur, I was wrong. Because Ethereum wallets use UDP, which Tor doesn't handle. So you're left with nested VPN chains. Unless someone forks to I2P. But that too seems iffy, given how small I2P is. >> There >> are web sites. There's email. There are various more-or-less P2P >> messaging systems. There's SSH for managing servers. >> >> I agree that email and messaging would better resist
Re: Alex Jones Infowars Censored Off Social Media
On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 12:14:21 -0700 Razer wrote: > presented by marketing scumholes like infowars freethoughtproject, etc. still, what did jones say to get all the american nazis to censor him? And even funnier, this happens under the trumpo monarchy?
Project Zero has greatly improved
Project Zero has greatly improved, it shows an activist element now, there is no point to end to end encryption if the end is being eavesdropped. But there is one improvement... instead of donating bug bounties to Amnesty International, it could just go to Google.org to hire more security researchers. I doubt a complaint could be made that there is too many code monkeys...
Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:25:12 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > On 08/08/2018 11:01 PM, juan wrote: > > On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:44:53 -0700 > > Mirimir wrote: > > > > > >> > >> Anyway, I vaguely recall proposed higher-latency mix networks that would > >> be usable for browsing, remote management, etc. But I haven't heard that > >> any are actually getting implemented. > > > > so? > > So? Well, if they're not being implemented, they're not very useful. not useful for what? > You > can fume all you want about some ideal that ought to exist. But that > alone doesn't really help much. you mean, discussing the 'technical details' doesn't 'help' whereas US military propaganda 'helps'? Well, of course, that's true, depending on what is being 'helped'... > > And yeah, I know that they're not being implemented because those > Americunt fascists are so damn good at propaganda. I do tend to agree > with you about that. oh, that's nice =) (just in the highly unlikely case that you are trying to mock me, bear in mind that the joke is on you =) ). > But that's not the only reason. There's also the > latency vs usability tradeoff. Which I think I acknowledged... > Or even if it is, maybe you ought to be > promoting them? And what am I doing here? > > But not Freenet! That shit is ~20 years out of date. More below. Keep trolling. So decentralized storage is 20 years out of date whereas using php to serve files behind a low quality proxy is the 'technology' of the next americunt century. by the way, freenet is 18 years old and your employer the tor corporation is 15 years old. So I guess tor is 'almost' ~20 years out of date? And you know, there's even older stuff than freenet, like the p2p networks based on gnutella and they are of course superior to bittorrent, let alone to 'web based' 'solutions'. > > > Not sure if you are keeping track of the 'issue' here. As far as I'm > > concerned the 'issue' is not BROWSING THE FUCKING WEB but doing > > 'cryptoanarchy' 'stuff' > > Huh? Just what the fuck else is "'cryptoanarchy' 'stuff'" then? We were talking about assasination politics. And you barefacedly declared that tor was 'good enough' for end users, 'good enough' for hidden services, and 'good enough' for killing trump. So here the 'crypto anarchy stuff' is AP. Now, are you trolling or what? You can't remember the topic of the discussion from one message to the next? Or? > There > are web sites. There's email. There are various more-or-less P2P > messaging systems. There's SSH for managing servers. > > I agree that email and messaging would better resist compromise if they > used higher-latency mix networks. Even very high-latency ones, with lots > of padding. Not just email, but any protocol that doesn't require 'instant' messages. Which I imagine includes AP. > But SSH via nested VPN chains plus Tor is painful enough as > it is. I can't imagine waiting minutes between typing and remote action. > > >> What have I missed? > > > > good thing that at least you are asking. Now try to answer your > > question. > > Well, I was hoping for some constructive discussion. But that's hard > with you. But whatever, we are what we are. You are expecting me to provide something that doesn't exist and can't exist? And since nobody can provide a fast and secure network, you just keep parroting tor propganda? Well I guess that's your job description? > > >> Yes, basically. Tor was developed by the US military. But that's not > >> likely why privacy activists embraced it. > > > > yes it is - 'privacy' 'activists' 'embraced' it because the fucking US > > military promoted it. > > > > again, here's a link for you > > > > http://www.monitor.upeace.org/innerpg.cfm?id_article=816 > > > > that's commie 'anarchist' appelbaum who got US$ 100k per year to > > promote a tool used by the US govt to promote coups in the middle east. > > Indeed. Tor was announced on _this list_ :) ...not entirely sure what your remark means? Anyway, hopefully the reason why tor is so 'popular' is clear enough by now. But I guess you are still ignoring the reason for tor to exist. It is for americunt nazis to promote 'democracy' in 'repressive' regimes. > > And seriously, are you following the published literature on overlay > networks? No. I'm following tor propaganda by you and grarpamp in lists like this one. > > > > yes, ask all the people who are in jail thanks to tor. Or dead. > > Yeah, yeah. But nothing's perfect. And consider how many more would be > jailed or dead if they _hadn't_ used Tor. Less people. You don't do stupidly risky things if you know you are getting caught. You do them when you drink the koolaid from the US military like Ulbricht did. >
Re: Alex Jones Infowars Censored Off Social Media
Actually, they came for VenezuelaAnalysis.com's FB page today. What DID you expect? They need to suppress some information before they can pound the BIG LIE narrative into the sheeple's heads for a while, THEN they'll let you speak. All 'they' really need to do is suppress alternative information until they've pounded their narrative into the mainstream society's heads, then they let you speak. They dont have to eliminate your voice, just strategically suppress it when necessary for their goals. For instance, the company that made Colin Powell's "Saddam CWD Lab", as seen by everyone at the UN, called the media and the US government the very next morning and explained that they were hydrogen generators for WWII vintage "barrage balloons", that were floated over cities to dissuade bombing runs. SOME media even reported it. On page E-31, two days later, so to speak. Whose story is going to be remembered as fact? Rr Ps. You have to be, literally, a moron, not to be able to source the information being presented by marketing scumholes like infowars freethoughtproject, etc. Original message From: grarpamp Date: 8/8/18 11:06 PM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpu...@cpunks.org Subject: Alex Jones Infowars Censored Off Social Media https://www.infowars.com/ https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones https://www.pscp.tv/u/11929682 Long time pundit Alex Jones censored off of Youtube, Facebook, Apple, Stitcher, Spotify... https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/952p5y/youtube_bans_infowars_alex_jones_for_spewing_hate/ https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/951ev2/facebook_itunes_and_spotify_drop_infowars/ First they came for Assange, Then they came for Jones...
Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not
On 08/08/2018 11:01 PM, juan wrote: > On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:44:53 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > > >> >> Anyway, I vaguely recall proposed higher-latency mix networks that would >> be usable for browsing, remote management, etc. But I haven't heard that >> any are actually getting implemented. > > so? So? Well, if they're not being implemented, they're not very useful. You can fume all you want about some ideal that ought to exist. But that alone doesn't really help much. And yeah, I know that they're not being implemented because those Americunt fascists are so damn good at propaganda. I do tend to agree with you about that. But that's not the only reason. There's also the latency vs usability tradeoff. Or even if it is, maybe you ought to be promoting them? But not Freenet! That shit is ~20 years out of date. More below. > Not sure if you are keeping track of the 'issue' here. As far as I'm > concerned the 'issue' is not BROWSING THE FUCKING WEB but doing > 'cryptoanarchy' 'stuff' Huh? Just what the fuck else is "'cryptoanarchy' 'stuff'" then? There are web sites. There's email. There are various more-or-less P2P messaging systems. There's SSH for managing servers. I agree that email and messaging would better resist compromise if they used higher-latency mix networks. Even very high-latency ones, with lots of padding. But SSH via nested VPN chains plus Tor is painful enough as it is. I can't imagine waiting minutes between typing and remote action. >> What have I missed? > > good thing that at least you are asking. Now try to answer your > question. Well, I was hoping for some constructive discussion. But that's hard with you. But whatever, we are what we are. >> Yes, basically. Tor was developed by the US military. But that's not >> likely why privacy activists embraced it. > > yes it is - 'privacy' 'activists' 'embraced' it because the fucking US > military promoted it. > > again, here's a link for you > > http://www.monitor.upeace.org/innerpg.cfm?id_article=816 > > that's commie 'anarchist' appelbaum who got US$ 100k per year to > promote a tool used by the US govt to promote coups in the middle east. Indeed. Tor was announced on _this list_ :) And seriously, are you following the published literature on overlay networks? I was, but I'm maybe 2-3 years out of date. So if any y'all know about something that's getting traction, or seriously ought to be, please do point to it. >> It became popular because it >> provided a better mix of security and usability. > > > yes, ask all the people who are in jail thanks to tor. Or dead. Yeah, yeah. But nothing's perfect. And consider how many more would be jailed or dead if they _hadn't_ used Tor. Also very slow. And I can't imagine how it could have scaled. Although I suppose that some of the binary newsgroups did get pretty fucking huge. But anyway, overhead is a key problem with mix networks. >>> >>> >>> That's how they work as far as I understand them. So saying it's a >>> problem really misses the point. >> >> What's a problem is _too much_ overhead. > > > you are just bullshiting and hand waving. No, I'm not. Go read the fucking papers, if you don't believe me. >> That is, total traffic grows >> more or less exponentially with the number of users. > > >> Development of the Web was part of it, I'm sure. >>> >>> Yep. And the 'culture' behind it. Allow retards to stream super ultra >>> SHD videos. But I wouldn't like to blame the victims too much, so of course >>> the problem is the assholes at the top who dictate how 'technology' is >>> developed. >> >> Open-source software is hardly driven by "assholes at the top". > > > what - are you referring to the fact that tor is open source? So > fucking what. It is developed and controlled by military scum like syverson > and the little tor mafia. Who by now must have gotten 10 MILLION DOLLARS for > their 'work'. So what? Is poverty your ideal or something? >> Trust me, dude. Stay away from Freenet. Sure, you think Tor is pwned. >> But Freenet is so pwned that I'd never use it ;) Except through Tor ;) >> It's a joke. > > yes I agree. What you say is a joke. > > You are confirming from the nth time that you are if not a paid agent, > an 'amateur' one. > > >> As soon as an adversary joins your network, they can trace >> data movement. So they can show that your node has handled pieces of >> illegal files, identified by hash. > > uh yeah, that's how freenet works. You have encripted pieces of stuff > that can be anything. That's where you're wrong. If an adversary is in your Freenet network, they see all those encrypted pieces of stuff. And if they're running a suitably modified version of the Freenet software, they know which of those pieces are part of which files. Because they can fetch each file of interest, and decompose
InfoWars makes it's move!
Breaking: InfoWars Moves To Ban Alex Jones AUSTIN, TX—Saying that it was a long-overdue step given the radio show host’s history of offensive and dangerous rhetoric, InfoWars reportedly moved Thursday to ban right wing provocateur Alex Jones from its platform. “Mr. Jones has repeatedly violated our policies against hate speech and misinformation, and so we have had no choice but to terminate our relationship with him,” read a statement from InfoWars editor Paul Joseph Watson, citing a litany of abuses committed by the radio host and conspiracy theorist, including harassment of minorities, trans individuals, and the parents of the Sandy Hook victims. “Of course, InfoWars remains committed to free speech, but that does not include repeatedly spreading vicious lies about private individuals. It would be unacceptable, and frankly cowardly, for us to hide behind the First Amendment as this man continues doing real harm. That is why, from today forward, all four of Mr. Jones’s shows will be deleted, and every mention of him will be completely scrubbed from the site.” Watson added that their platform would continue to publish the high-quality reporting on globalism, creeping Sharia, and Deep State false-flag operations that their users had come to expect. https://www.theonion.com/infowars-moves-to-ban-alex-jones-1828222135
Re: [WAR] The clear (+biblical) foundation of Israel - be aware.
One cannot help but be impressed with the very material achievements of the house of the Red Door (Rothschilds): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1s0VEk9vgw On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:02:58AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > That which we have no awareness of, can certainly impact upon us, our > lives and our loved ones and so it can be useful to learn a little. > Perhaps this is one of the most important foundations for the fellow > Souls of our age to comprehend. > > Courtesy the ever poignant “The Saker”. > > Be aware, > > > > https://russia-insider.com/en/israels-aggressive-behavior-embodied-and-prophesied-hebrew-bible/ri22632 > Israel's Aggressive Behavior is Embodied and Prophesied in > the Hebrew Bible > > Source: The Saker > How Biblical is Zionism? > http://thesaker.is/how-is-biblical-zionism/ > > > by Laurent Guyénot for the Saker Blog > > "Even the nuclear policy of Israel has a biblical name: the Samson > Option" > > > > The biblical mind of Israel’s founding fathers > -- > > The Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) is for the committed Jew as much a record > of his ancient origins, the prism through which all Jewish history is > interpreted (is not the “Holocaust” a biblical term?), and the > unalterable pattern of Israel’s promising future. That is why the > Bible, once the “portable fatherland” of the Diaspora Jews as > Heinrich Heine put it, remains at the core of the national narrative > of the Jewish State, whose founding fathers did not give it any other > Constitution. > > It is true that the earliest prophets of political Zionism — Moses > Hess (Rome and Jerusalem, 1862), Leon Pinsker (Auto-Emancipation, > 1882) and Theodor Herzl (The Jewish State, 1896) — did not draw their > inspiration from the Bible, but rather from the great > nationalist spirit that swept through Europe at the end of the > 19th century. Pinsker and Herzl actually cared little whether > the Jews colonized Palestine or any other region of the globe; > the first thought about some land in North America, while the > second contemplated Argentina and later Uganda. More important > still than nationalism, what drove these intellectual pioneers > was the persistence of Judeophobia or anti-Semitism: Pinsker, > who was from Odessa, converted during the pogroms that followed > the assassination of Alexander II; Herzl, at the height of the > Dreyfus affair. > > Nevertheless, by naming his movement “Zionism,” Herzl himself was > plugging it into biblical mythology: Zion is a name used for > Jerusalem by biblical prophets. And after Herzl, the founders of the > Yishuv (Jewish communities settled in Palestine before 1947) and > later of the Jewish State were steeped in the Bible. From their point > of view, Zionism was the logical and necessary end of biblical > Yahwism. > > “The Bible is our mandate,” Chaim Weizmann declared at the Peace > Conference in Versailles in 1920, and David Ben-Gurion has made > clear that he only accepted the 1947 UN Partition Plan as a > temporary step toward the goal of biblical borders. In > Ben-Gurion, Prophet of fire(1983), the biography of the man > described as “the personification of the Zionist dream,” Dan > Kurzman entitles each chapter with a Bible quote. The preface > begins like this: > > “The life of David Ben-Gurion is more than the story of an > extraordinary man. It is the story of a Biblical prophecy, an > eternal dream. […] Ben-Gurion was, in a modern sense, Moses, > Joshua, Isaiah, a messiah who felt he was destined to create an > exemplary Jewish state, a ‘light unto the nations’ that would > help to redeem all mankind.” > > For Ben-Gurion, Kurzman writes, the rebirth of Israel in 1948 > “paralleled the Exodus from Egypt, the conquest of the land by > Joshua, the Maccabean revolt.” Yet Ben-Gurion had never been to the > synagogue, and ate pork for breakfast. > > According to the rabbi leading the Bible study group that he > attended, Ben-Gurion > > “unconsciously believed he was blessed with a spark from Joshua’s > soul.” “There can be no worthwhile political or military > education about Israel without profound knowledge of the Bible,” > he used to say.[1] > > He wrote in his diary in 1948, ten days after declaring independence, > > “We will break Transjordan [Jordan], bomb Amman and destroy its > army, and then Syria falls, and if Egypt will still continue to > fight — we will bombard Port Said, Alexandria and Cairo,” then he > adds: “This will be in revenge for what they did to our > forefathers during biblical times.”[2] Three days after the > Israeli invasion of the Sinai in 1956, he declared before the > Knesset that what was at stake was “the restoration of the > kingdom
The fastest route to Internet freedom (of a sort) - Re: Alex Jones Infowars Censored Off Social Media
On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:37:56PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 02:06:27AM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > > https://www.infowars.com/ > > https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones > > https://www.pscp.tv/u/11929682 > > > > Long time pundit Alex Jones censored off of > > Youtube, Facebook, Apple, Stitcher, Spotify... > > > > https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/952p5y/youtube_bans_infowars_alex_jones_for_spewing_hate/ > > https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/951ev2/facebook_itunes_and_spotify_drop_infowars/ > > > > > > First they came for Assange, > > Then they came for Jones... > > Ron Paul's executive director suspended on Twitter: > https://www.rt.com/usa/435372-ron-paul-twitter-censorship/ > https://www.reddit.com/r/RonPaulCensored/ > https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-27/youtube-economically-censors-ron-paul-labels-videos-not-suitable-all-advertisers > > Julian Assange Just Showed How Ron Paul is censored for ... > 28 Aug 2017 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf5OHgZ1i_E > > Blocked: How the pro-life movement is being censored on social ... > 24 Jan 2018 > http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/technology/370455-blocked-how-the-pro-life-movement-is-being-censored-on-social > > Facebook, Google & YouTube Censorship At An All Time High ... > https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/03/01/facebook-google-youtube-censorship-at-an-all-time-high-what-ever-happened-to-free-speech/ > > > There's an easy solution - torrent your 'tubes, and disperse your > "social" media to alt platforms - there's no real shortage of such > either. > > If you're in the ear of a big name/ public personality, encourage > them to make a very public jump to an alternative platform and > encourage them to encourage others - hell, even Elon Musk took down > Tesla's FaceBook page... > > > > MIGA - Make Internet Great AGain. > > #ItsOkToBeWhite OK, here's the next step - get behind Alex Jones/ InfoWars in the following way (seriously, this is the most effective/ productive step to be achieved): Contact PayPal https://www.paypal.com/uk/selfhelp/contact/email/complaint and infowars.com domain registry and ask why InfoWars has not been banned/ removed, and how hateful Alex Jones' speech is. https://www.name.com/abuse Contact the App Store and complain about all the hateful, hateful vids the Alex Jones and IfnoWars have been putting up: https://support.apple.com/contact Get involved with the "liberal lefty marxist unthinkers" and in exasperation, ask them why the hell is PayPal still taking money for this hateful, hateful man Alex Jones? Spread the hate, maximise the de-platforming. Anglin was way to conservative, too focussed (literally) on paleo dieting and his gym regimen, for people to think anything other than "SQWARK, NEON-NAZI, SQWARK", whereas Alex Jones on the other hand is enough of an out there nutcase that the main stream unthinkers figured he must have been saying something useful - but the relevant point is, Alex Jones has a large audience, a large following, and the more he is de-platformed (and Ron Paul and others), the quicker we will get to a better situation, to a multi-platform world. The people (not the tech) are the platform.
Re: USA
On Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 09:37:43PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPhWR4d3FJQ > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFUFw1GH6ic > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEH_ms8d1ws > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwNiXABt1JY > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M11SvDtPBhA > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3zdIHDTbg0 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9GSF3ROa58 > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9BNoNFKCBI > > USA? Music? Cynicism FTW thank you :) AMERICA F_#K YEAH! MUSIC VIDEO - Team America World Police THEME SONG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk
Re: Alex Jones Infowars Censored Off Social Media
On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 02:06:27AM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > https://www.infowars.com/ > https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones > https://www.pscp.tv/u/11929682 > > Long time pundit Alex Jones censored off of > Youtube, Facebook, Apple, Stitcher, Spotify... > > https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/952p5y/youtube_bans_infowars_alex_jones_for_spewing_hate/ > https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/951ev2/facebook_itunes_and_spotify_drop_infowars/ > > > First they came for Assange, > Then they came for Jones... Ron Paul's executive director suspended on Twitter: https://www.rt.com/usa/435372-ron-paul-twitter-censorship/ https://www.reddit.com/r/RonPaulCensored/ https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-27/youtube-economically-censors-ron-paul-labels-videos-not-suitable-all-advertisers Julian Assange Just Showed How Ron Paul is censored for ... 28 Aug 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf5OHgZ1i_E Blocked: How the pro-life movement is being censored on social ... 24 Jan 2018 http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/technology/370455-blocked-how-the-pro-life-movement-is-being-censored-on-social Facebook, Google & YouTube Censorship At An All Time High ... https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/03/01/facebook-google-youtube-censorship-at-an-all-time-high-what-ever-happened-to-free-speech/ There's an easy solution - torrent your 'tubes, and disperse your "social" media to alt platforms - there's no real shortage of such either. If you're in the ear of a big name/ public personality, encourage them to make a very public jump to an alternative platform and encourage them to encourage others - hell, even Elon Musk took down Tesla's FaceBook page... MIGA - Make Internet Great AGain. #ItsOkToBeWhite
Re: Prosecution of Assange will mark a point of no return, a modern Krystalnacht - Re: Ecuador Handing Over Assange To UK
On Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 06:40:17PM +, jim bell wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 5:54:00 AM PDT, Zenaan Harkness
> wrote:
>
>
> "Who Will Dare Tell The Truth About Government?"
> Authored by Robert Gore via Straight Line Logic,
> https://straightlinelogic.com/2018/08/07/americas-kristallnacht/
> https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-07/who-will-dare-tell-truth-about-government
>
>
> > If the US government prosecutes Julian Assange and WikiLeaks,
> it will mark a point of no return.
>
>
> For a few years, I've been mystified about how any American
> authority could prosecute Julian Assange, and certainly not for his
> actions in regard to the 2016 elections.
That's where you're wrong kiddo! Just a few obvious O M G
"government" tactics:
National security.
The illegality of retroactive laws never stopped us from
retroactively applying new laws (notwithstanding the illegality of
such laws for other prima facie reasons).
Anti-terror.
Here in Australia we already have the most horrific "anti-terror"
(anti freedoms) laws you could imagine Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao coming
up with to "ensure the success of the regime" (did I say regime? I
meant revolution. Sorry, did I say revolution? I meant Democracy...
Ahhh there, that's feeling better already.)
> It is generally figured
> by the MSM that Assange accepted various emails and published them,
> but it isn't clear that those emails (or, anyway, most of those
> emails) came from Russian sources. And there is already a
> precendent ("Pentagon Papers") that there can be no prior restraint
> for such publication, even if the publisher knew that the
> information was illegally taken from a government source.
>
> And, due to 'discovery' rules, the American government would have
> to reveal a great deal about what they knew,
Your trust in the application of the fule of law is astounding.
Good luck,
> and how they knew it.
> Just about all downside, very little upside.
>
> Jim Bell
Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not
On Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 08:44:53PM -0700, Mirimir wrote: > On 08/08/2018 11:21 AM, juan wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 20:42:37 -0700 > > Mirimir wrote: > >> But even so, people who want anonymity, some of them > >> doing illegal stuff, _will_ end up using Tor. So why not help them use > >> it more safely? > > > > Oh, but I do. Whenver I have the chance, I tell darm markets > > operators to not post their contact information on facebook. > > Is that the best you can do? Frankly, educating folks to not put their personal contact details on Facebook is quite a useful thing - there are some pretty uneducated folks out there. Also, letting pepes know that Tor is essentially the NSA/CIA network is also, presumably, useful education material to those who are otherwise swamp-indoctrinated.
Benefits of Censorship - My Police State - on the books, nearly implemented here in Australia
So true, you know you love it ... aahm, or something. It's funny, but so true it's, FIRETRUUCK!!! My Police State https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlUQMH19BkQ And in the same bag of delights, censorship - Alex Jones and InfoWars just got done triple time: https://dailystormer.name/alex-jones-banned-from-youtube-and-everything-else-full-shutdown/ even YouPorn has banned him (yes YouPorn, censorship is exactly what you need, right? - irony of firetrucking ironies here!): https://www.rt.com/usa/435355-porn-sites-alex-jones/ yet this has had a real benefit - Alex Jones/ InfoWars is naming the JewTube "War On White People" policy - and added bonus, he gets exactly 6 Million new subscribers in 48 hours (well, 5.6 million, but who's counting when your grampappy is a lampshade in the corner?): https://dailystormer.name/alex-jones-gains-exactly-6-million-new-subscribers-in-48-hours/ Nice to see folks realising that the people are the platform. Repeat after me folks: The people --are-- the platform. and not some billion-dollar funded shitty tech platform - and YouTube, Google, FaceBook and Twitter are indeed shitty by design as they each centralise the power to censor, so “ipso shitty censor facto”‼
Alex Jones Infowars Censored Off Social Media
https://www.infowars.com/ https://twitter.com/RealAlexJones https://www.pscp.tv/u/11929682 Long time pundit Alex Jones censored off of Youtube, Facebook, Apple, Stitcher, Spotify... https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/952p5y/youtube_bans_infowars_alex_jones_for_spewing_hate/ https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/951ev2/facebook_itunes_and_spotify_drop_infowars/ First they came for Assange, Then they came for Jones...
Re: the tor scam - Re: AP deconstructed: Why it has not happened yet, and will not
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:44:53 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > > Anyway, I vaguely recall proposed higher-latency mix networks that would > be usable for browsing, remote management, etc. But I haven't heard that > any are actually getting implemented. so? Not sure if you are keeping track of the 'issue' here. As far as I'm concerned the 'issue' is not BROWSING THE FUCKING WEB but doing 'cryptoanarchy' 'stuff' > > What have I missed? good thing that at least you are asking. Now try to answer your question. > Yes, basically. Tor was developed by the US military. But that's not > likely why privacy activists embraced it. yes it is - 'privacy' 'activists' 'embraced' it because the fucking US military promoted it. again, here's a link for you http://www.monitor.upeace.org/innerpg.cfm?id_article=816 that's commie 'anarchist' appelbaum who got US$ 100k per year to promote a tool used by the US govt to promote coups in the middle east. > It became popular because it > provided a better mix of security and usability. yes, ask all the people who are in jail thanks to tor. Or dead. > >> Also very slow. And I can't imagine how it could have > >> scaled. Although I suppose that some of the binary newsgroups did get > >> pretty fucking huge. But anyway, overhead is a key problem with mix > >> networks. > > > > > > That's how they work as far as I understand them. So saying it's a > > problem really misses the point. > > What's a problem is _too much_ overhead. you are just bullshiting and hand waving. > That is, total traffic grows > more or less exponentially with the number of users. > > >> Development of the Web was part of it, I'm sure. > > > > Yep. And the 'culture' behind it. Allow retards to stream super ultra > > SHD videos. But I wouldn't like to blame the victims too much, so of course > > the problem is the assholes at the top who dictate how 'technology' is > > developed. > > Open-source software is hardly driven by "assholes at the top". what - are you referring to the fact that tor is open source? So fucking what. It is developed and controlled by military scum like syverson and the little tor mafia. Who by now must have gotten 10 MILLION DOLLARS for their 'work'. > Trust me, dude. Stay away from Freenet. Sure, you think Tor is pwned. > But Freenet is so pwned that I'd never use it ;) Except through Tor ;) > It's a joke. yes I agree. What you say is a joke. You are confirming from the nth time that you are if not a paid agent, an 'amateur' one. > As soon as an adversary joins your network, they can trace > data movement. So they can show that your node has handled pieces of > illegal files, identified by hash. uh yeah, that's how freenet works. You have encripted pieces of stuff that can be anything. > And even though they can't really > prove that you accessed those files, they can say in court that they > can, and you'll be hard pressed to convince a jury otherwise. that may be how your nazi legal system works - you can be charged with anything and convicted without proof. That's not freenet's fault. anyway, it's quite funny that you robotically ignore all of tor's problems and are barefaced enough to badmouth the competition > I keep repeating that Tor is what we have now for working ~anonymously > online because it just fucking is! Sure, there's JonDoNym, but it's a > tiny network, and not many people use it. And it's not really that > friendly to anonymity, in any case. I2P is interesting, I admit, but > it's mainly a closed system. There are some clearnet exits, but the rest > of I2P doesn't like them. are you drunk or something? Again WHO gives a fuck about 'browsing the web'? Why would cypherpunks be interested in 'anonymously' reading the jew york times? Which is something you can do with any free vpn anyway. > > So it's not that I'm saying Tor is the best, or whatever. It's literally > that there's nothing else that's widely enough used to provide any real > anonymity. Or at least, that I know of. > > So again, what super anonymous overlay networks have I missed? I'm all > ears :) maybe taking too much psychoactive substances isn't good for you. go back and try to grasp what the topic of the discussion is. > > >> But even so, people who want anonymity, some of them > >> doing illegal stuff, _will_ end up using Tor. So why not help them use > >> it more safely? > > > > > > Oh, but I do. Whenver I have the chance, I tell darm markets operators > > to not post their contact information on facebook. > > Is that the best you can do? yes. I can directly tell you to go fuck yourself. That's actually better.
