Re: Merry Christmas

[Cecilia Tanaka]

Merry Christmas, ho ho ho!!!  :D

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Re: Tim May 1992 Post on Future of Cyberspace/Cryptology/Digital Money/Transnationalism

[Zenaan Harkness]

Happy "solstice" thank you very much! We'll have none of that
hemisphere bigotry Down Under (TM)(R)(NPC) tyvm :)

Only tolerance-Nazis ought be allowed to post - Censoreship for all :D



On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 10:49:35PM +0200, Cari Machet wrote:
> I LIKE TO SAY: PURITY IS A COFFIN
> 
> some freedom some imprisonment - just like life we are free we just happen
> to be experiencing life in a very limited container
> 
> so what about those pesky little undersea cables all going to the turtle
> island - u s of a ?
> 
> umn without them we got nothin goin too fast anywheres
> 
> when did they get laid ? 1854
> 
> by a coorporation
> 
> life is a build and dualism has run its course ... good and bad boys do
> good and bad things and sometimes what they do that is considered bad ends
> up being overall good and vice versa
> 
> happy winter solstice - when the sun is still - all the beautiful people on
> this listserve
> 
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 9:19 PM juan  wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 22:55:23 + (UTC)
> > jim bell  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >> 26 years is "forever" in technology.   26 years ago, very few people
> > had even heard of the "Internet".
> > >
> > > >Actually in the last 26 years there hasn't been any significant
> > 'technological' change *at all*. The only thing that happened is that
> > microelectronics got relatively cheaper.
> > >
> > > You forgot that in 1992, typical dialup modems worked at 9600 bps.  Now,
> > most people have access to 25 megabits/sec Internet.
> >
> >
> > I don't think I've forgotten that. That fact isn't just too
> > relevant to what I'm saying.
> >
> > TM : "Networks are multiplying beyond any hope of government
> > control,"
> >
> > Point is, 26 years ago there was no 'technological' reason for
> > that to be true just like there's no reason for that to be true now.
> > Networks were (supposedly...) beyond govcorp control simply because govcorp
> > wasn't devoting many resources to control them, not because they lacked the
> > 'technology' to control them.
> >
> > Yet another point is who 'owned' those networks. Oh wait, they
> > were and are owned by a few monopoplies chartered by the government,
> > monopolies that are of course just arms of the government.
> >
> >
> >
> > > I occasionally see people in discussion areas claim that "the U.S.
> > Government" was responsible for making "The Internet".I shut that talk
> > down,
> >
> >
> > You do? =) Yet it is a plain historical fact that the US govt and
> > military were heavily involved in the creation of the internet.
> >
> >
> > >by pointing out "Do you think that The Internet would have 'worked' if a
> > person, at home, had to connect up to his ISP at with a 300 bps modem?
> > 1200 bps?  2400 bps?"I counter by pointing out that the people REALLY
> > responsible for a usable Internet were those who developed the 9600 bps,
> > 14,400 bps, and 28,800 bps modems.  Rockwell, USR (US Robotics), Hayes,
> > Telebit, and a few others.  Had that not existed, it would have been hard
> > to make the Internet available to most people.
> >
> >
> > The main or only reason those audio modems were developed was to
> > use the existing telephone lines. Yet in 1995 ethernet run at 100
> > megabits...
> >
> >
> >
> > > It took a lot of work to learn how to shove 28.8Kbits/sec down a 3000 Hz
> > channel.
> >   By and large, those people who did that were the ones who made the
> > Internet of the late 90's possible.
> >
> >
> > Nah. On the other hand, it's true that all the hardware was
> > produced and is produced by pseudo 'private' government chartered firms.
> > Which is how highly corporatist mixed economies work.
> >
> > Bottom line : the belief that freedom is 'served' by 'technology'
> > is fully detached from reality.
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> 
> cari machet
> about.me/carimachet
> 

Re: Tim May 1992 Post on Future of Cyberspace/Cryptology/Digital Money/Transnationalism

[Steven Schear]

On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 2:03 PM juan  On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 09:47:23 + (UTC)
> jim bell  wrote:
>
> >  On Saturday, December 22, 2018, 7:06:34 PM PST, juan <
> juan@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: tc...@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)
> > > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 11:06:29 PDT
> >  To: cypherpu...@toad.com
> > >>> Subject: Some (Pseudo)Random Thoughts
> >
> >
> > >> Networks are multiplying beyond
> > >> any hope of government control,
> >
> >
> >  >   prophetic words. Except the prophesy was 100% wrong =) =(
> >
> > But I wouldn't blame Tim May.
>
> To be fair, here  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcC0RNsallc  is
> Tim May stating
>
> "The US and other societies around the world are facing a turning
> point, a fork in the road where one path leads to a surveillance society
> effectively where people have television cameras recording their actions
> and conversations on a computer, all their transactions at stores,
> everything is completely tracked.
>
> The other path, the other fork in the road moves in a direction
> where governments can't even collect taxes anymore because they don't know
> what interactions people are making. People are buying things and
> information from other countries and they won't even know in what countries
> the transactions are taking place."
>


  "More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One
path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total
extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly."

Woody Allen

>

Re: USA colleges rejuvenating: Appeals Court: Colleges Must Censor, Block Online Services If They Offend Someone - [PEACE]

[Razer]

Ho Chih Minh was a nationalist. Nationalism is a TRAIT shared by every politcal 
ideology that assumes borders exist.

Fascism is an IDEOLOGY that, along with the rest, UTILIZES  that trait.

The US MSM is consistently conflating the two 
https://twitter.com/gymrathippie/status/1077260730397851654?s=19.

Rr
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[Zenaan Harkness]

True Neons shine brightly, ready to rock the boat if a jolly ole boat
rocking be needed.

At some times technology is called for. At others, grass roots or
other action is needed. True punks know the difference.


Stormer, Volume 70: A Death March For Timothy C. May
dailystormer.name/stormer-volume-70-a-death-march-for-timothy-c-may/


PS, Merry Christmas to you and those you care for.

Re: Tim May 1992 Post on Future of Cyberspace/Cryptology/Digital Money/Transnationalism

[Cari Machet]

I LIKE TO SAY: PURITY IS A COFFIN

some freedom some imprisonment - just like life we are free we just happen
to be experiencing life in a very limited container

so what about those pesky little undersea cables all going to the turtle
island - u s of a ?

umn without them we got nothin goin too fast anywheres

when did they get laid ? 1854

by a coorporation

life is a build and dualism has run its course ... good and bad boys do
good and bad things and sometimes what they do that is considered bad ends
up being overall good and vice versa

happy winter solstice - when the sun is still - all the beautiful people on
this listserve

On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 9:19 PM juan  wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 22:55:23 + (UTC)
> jim bell  wrote:
>
> >
> > >> 26 years is "forever" in technology.   26 years ago, very few people
> had even heard of the "Internet".
> >
> > >Actually in the last 26 years there hasn't been any significant
> 'technological' change *at all*. The only thing that happened is that
> microelectronics got relatively cheaper.
> >
> > You forgot that in 1992, typical dialup modems worked at 9600 bps.  Now,
> most people have access to 25 megabits/sec Internet.
>
>
> I don't think I've forgotten that. That fact isn't just too
> relevant to what I'm saying.
>
> TM : "Networks are multiplying beyond any hope of government
> control,"
>
> Point is, 26 years ago there was no 'technological' reason for
> that to be true just like there's no reason for that to be true now.
> Networks were (supposedly...) beyond govcorp control simply because govcorp
> wasn't devoting many resources to control them, not because they lacked the
> 'technology' to control them.
>
> Yet another point is who 'owned' those networks. Oh wait, they
> were and are owned by a few monopoplies chartered by the government,
> monopolies that are of course just arms of the government.
>
>
>
> > I occasionally see people in discussion areas claim that "the U.S.
> Government" was responsible for making "The Internet".I shut that talk
> down,
>
>
> You do? =) Yet it is a plain historical fact that the US govt and
> military were heavily involved in the creation of the internet.
>
>
> >by pointing out "Do you think that The Internet would have 'worked' if a
> person, at home, had to connect up to his ISP at with a 300 bps modem?
> 1200 bps?  2400 bps?"I counter by pointing out that the people REALLY
> responsible for a usable Internet were those who developed the 9600 bps,
> 14,400 bps, and 28,800 bps modems.  Rockwell, USR (US Robotics), Hayes,
> Telebit, and a few others.  Had that not existed, it would have been hard
> to make the Internet available to most people.
>
>
> The main or only reason those audio modems were developed was to
> use the existing telephone lines. Yet in 1995 ethernet run at 100
> megabits...
>
>
>
> > It took a lot of work to learn how to shove 28.8Kbits/sec down a 3000 Hz
> channel.
>   By and large, those people who did that were the ones who made the
> Internet of the late 90's possible.
>
>
> Nah. On the other hand, it's true that all the hardware was
> produced and is produced by pseudo 'private' government chartered firms.
> Which is how highly corporatist mixed economies work.
>
> Bottom line : the belief that freedom is 'served' by 'technology'
> is fully detached from reality.
>
>

-- 

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about.me/carimachet

Merry Christmas

[rooty]

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Re: USA colleges rejuvenating: Appeals Court: Colleges Must Censor, Block Online Services If They Offend Someone - [PEACE]

[Steve Kinney]

On 12/24/18 10:21 AM, Razer wrote:
> 
> 
> On December 22, 2018 11:19:41 AM PST, Steve Kinney  
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 12/22/18 4:02 AM, jim bell wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 22, 2018, 12:35:59 AM PST, Zenaan Harkness
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
 Snowflakes rejoice 
>>
>>
>>> Naturally, the "people with fascist tendencies" probably called
>>> themselves "anti-fascists".
>>>
>>> A comment I read recently:   'Fascists' are classified into two
>> groups: 
>>> 'Fascists' and 'Anti-Fascists'.
>>
>> Dr. Lawrence Britt studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany),
>> Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet
>> (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls
>> these the identifying characteristics of fascism.

[...]

> Reads alot like Eco.
> 
> "Fascism" isn't the ONLY word being orwellianly redefined. "Nationalism" has 
> been touted in the media as a fascist trait when in reality parts of that 
> trait, such as traditionalism and patriotism are used as TOOLS by fascists. 
> Nationalism isn't fascism... It isn't even an ideology.
> 
> Other, less notable words are being redefined even as I type. Frinstance, 
> 
> "considering" https://twitter.com/gymrathippie/status/1076925546922049536?s=19

No surprise there, pulling a battalion strength force out of a country
the size of Syria presents as less than a drop in a bucket.  The whole
U.S. mission in Syria consists of destabilizing the country to prevent
construction of gas and oil pipelines.  With plenty of "friendlies"
already in-country, all it takes is money, guns, and phoned-in tactical
intelligence and movement orders.

> "Envoy" https://twitter.com/gymrathippie/status/1076900114482876416?s=1

"Envoy" typically refers to a diplomatic representative; it sort of
makes sense to me that the U.S. would send an envoy to ISIS, given that
the Obama/Trump Administration offered the said mercenary force a chunk
of Syria as a country of their very own, provided they could take and
hold it.

> That one is exceptionally hilarious.
> 
> And this phrase 
> https://twitter.com/gymrathippie/status/1076896714018050048?s=19
> 
> Rr

Applying the term "populist" to the billionaire funded, propaganda
driven Trump Fan Club presents a bizarre non-sequitur.  "Populism" has
always indicated an exercise in direct democracy, historically
associated with liberal, pacifist and environmentalist causes.

The Synonyms of "Activist" per Merriam-Webster:

http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/activist

addict, bigot, bug, crank, crazy, demon, devotee, enthusiast, extremist,
fiend, fool, freak, maniac, militant, monomaniac, nut, radical,
ultraist, visionary, zealot

Not listed  as synonyms for "Activist":

advocate, champion, engaged, leader, motivated, populist, pro-active,
self-starter

Do the missing terms qualify as synonyms for "activist"?  Advocate as in
one who advocates for a cause or position, Engaged as in one who
actively takes part, Champion as in one who fights for a cause, Leader
as in one who takes the lead, Motivated as in up on your feet and down
to the street, Populist as in for the people, Pro-Active as in not
waiting for others to act, Self-starter as in taking personal initiative.

I guess it all depends on what one's definition of "is" is.

:o/





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Re: USA colleges rejuvenating: Appeals Court: Colleges Must Censor, Block Online Services If They Offend Someone - [PEACE]

[juan]

On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 07:21:21 -0800
Razer  wrote:


> 
> "Fascism" isn't the ONLY word being orwellianly redefined. "Nationalism" has 
> been touted in the media as a fascist trait 

nationalism is a key trait of fascism. Then again it's no surprise that 
a jew-fascist wants to 'whitewash' nationalism. 

Re: Tim May 1992 Post on Future of Cyberspace/Cryptology/Digital Money/Transnationalism

[juan]

On Sun, 23 Dec 2018 22:55:23 + (UTC)
jim bell  wrote:

> 
> >> 26 years is "forever" in technology.   26 years ago, very few people had 
> >> even heard of the "Internet".  
> 
> >    Actually in the last 26 years there hasn't been any significant 
> >'technological' change *at all*. The only thing that happened is that 
> >microelectronics got relatively cheaper.
> 
> You forgot that in 1992, typical dialup modems worked at 9600 bps.  Now, most 
> people have access to 25 megabits/sec Internet.  


I don't think I've forgotten that. That fact isn't just too relevant to 
what I'm saying. 

TM : "Networks are multiplying beyond any hope of government control," 

Point is, 26 years ago there was no 'technological' reason for that to 
be true just like there's no reason for that to be true now. Networks were 
(supposedly...) beyond govcorp control simply because govcorp wasn't devoting 
many resources to control them, not because they lacked the 'technology' to 
control them. 

Yet another point is who 'owned' those networks. Oh wait, they were and 
are owned by a few monopoplies chartered by the government, monopolies that are 
of course just arms of the government. 



> I occasionally see people in discussion areas claim that "the U.S. 
> Government" was responsible for making "The Internet".I shut that talk down, 


You do? =) Yet it is a plain historical fact that the US govt and 
military were heavily involved in the creation of the internet. 


>by pointing out "Do you think that The Internet would have 'worked' if a 
>person, at home, had to connect up to his ISP at with a 300 bps modem?  1200 
>bps?  2400 bps?"I counter by pointing out that the people REALLY responsible 
>for a usable Internet were those who developed the 9600 bps, 14,400 bps, and 
>28,800 bps modems.  Rockwell, USR (US Robotics), Hayes, Telebit, and a few 
>others.  Had that not existed, it would have been hard to make the Internet 
>available to most people.  


The main or only reason those audio modems were developed was to use 
the existing telephone lines. Yet in 1995 ethernet run at 100 megabits...
 


> It took a lot of work to learn how to shove 28.8Kbits/sec down a 3000 Hz 
> channel.
  By and large, those people who did that were the ones who made the Internet 
of the late 90's possible.  


Nah. On the other hand, it's true that all the hardware was produced 
and is produced by pseudo 'private' government chartered firms. Which is how 
highly corporatist mixed economies work. 

Bottom line : the belief that freedom is 'served' by 'technology' is 
fully detached from reality. 

Re: USA colleges rejuvenating: Appeals Court: Colleges Must Censor, Block Online Services If They Offend Someone - [PEACE]

[Razer]

On December 22, 2018 11:19:41 AM PST, Steve Kinney  wrote:
>
>
>On 12/22/18 4:02 AM, jim bell wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 22, 2018, 12:35:59 AM PST, Zenaan Harkness
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>Snowflakes rejoice 
>
>
>> Naturally, the "people with fascist tendencies" probably called
>> themselves "anti-fascists".
>> 
>> A comment I read recently:   'Fascists' are classified into two
>groups: 
>> 'Fascists' and 'Anti-Fascists'.
>
>Dr. Lawrence Britt studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany),
>Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet
>(Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls
>these the identifying characteristics of fascism.
>
>1.  Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
>2.  Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
>3.  Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
>4.  Supremacy of the Military
>5.  Rampant Sexism
>6.  Controlled Mass Media
>7.  Obsession with National Security
>8.  Religion and Government are Intertwined
>9.  Corporate Power is Protected
>10. Labor Power is Suppressed
>11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
>12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
>13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
>14. Fraudulent Elections
>
>https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html



Reads alot like Eco.

"Fascism" isn't the ONLY word being orwellianly redefined. "Nationalism" has 
been touted in the media as a fascist trait when in reality parts of that 
trait, such as traditionalism and patriotism are used as TOOLS by fascists. 
Nationalism isn't fascism... It isn't even an ideology.

Other, less notable words are being redefined even as I type. Frinstance, 

"considering" https://twitter.com/gymrathippie/status/1076925546922049536?s=19

"Envoy" https://twitter.com/gymrathippie/status/1076900114482876416?s=1

That one is exceptionally hilarious.

And this phrase https://twitter.com/gymrathippie/status/1076896714018050048?s=19

Rr


>
>When clashes between Fascist and anti-Fascist groups in the U.S.
>finally
>made the evening news in 2017, our mainstream Liberal and Conservative
>propaganda shops found something to heartily agree on:  Anti-Fascist
>activists "are the real Nazis," worse than actual Fascists.  Our MAGA /
>SJW crowd - the fear driven, propaganda controlled right and left hands
>of our ruling oligarchy - jumped right on board with that.  This unity
>among ignorant loud-mouthed political consumers tells us something
>about
>the motives and agendas of the folks who pull their strings - our
>ruling
>oligarchy likes Fascism just fine.
>
>Economic hard times have historically enabled Fascist political
>movements to take power.  Our American Fascists and anti-Fascists have
>this much in common:  They see conditions favorable to overt Fascism
>coming up fast here and now.  U.S. NeoNazi and allied organizations
>have
>grown rapidly over the last few years, as has the incidence of "random
>acts" of ultra-violence against their chosen scapegoats.  Anti-Fascist
>activism has increased in response, obstructing and disrupting
>Fascist-oriented political publicity and recruiting activities.
>
>If nothing else, the next few years will present us with lots of
>opportunities to sort out self proclaimed rebels into those who equate
>Freedom with their own personal and community power over others, and
>those who equate Freedom with personal and community self determination
>for all.  The former specialize in impersonating the latter, backed by
>generations of crypto-Fascist propaganda and supplied with daily
>talking
>points by political warfare professionals.  But anyone who understands
>this fundamental difference between Fascist and anti-Fascist
>motivations
>will not have a hard time telling the difference.

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