Re: The cultural turn in intelligence studies
On August 21, 2019 7:51:43 PM PDT, rooty wrote: >Are you really over 60. OMG that is flippen agent you could be my grate >grate grampa. > I'm older still and I remember the rollover from, in the US, "Secret Agent", to The Prisoner, which I thought was VERY excellent even when I was a kid. You'll note the one recurring theme throughout the whole series. There was NO ONE #6 could trust. Ever. On reading Steve's details I've seen slightly different show creation narratives but one thing I know... McGoohan was DRIVEN to do this. He was willing to fund it out of his own pocket if necessary. Whatever that 'argument with the chief' was about in the last episode (all you hear is thunder) was in some way, irl, connected to his drive to get the prisoner on the air. I believe all the prisoner episodes are on youtube. I torrented the collection a few years ago. There's also a number of interviews with McGoohan about it on Youtube and quite detailed sociological analyses of the overall show and episodes floating around the intertubz as well. Ps. The only spy show on the air at the time that was better? Get Smart... or maybe I just had the prepubescent hots for 99. Rr Har Har. > Original Message >On Aug 21, 2019, 3:50 PM, jim bell wrote: > >> On Tuesday, August 20, 2019, 12:35:46 PM PDT, Steve Kinney > wrote: >> >> On 8/18/19 8:05 PM, coderman wrote: >>> >>> The cultural turn in intelligence studies >>> Simon Willmetts correspondences.d.willme...@fgga.leidenuniv.nl View further author information Pages 800-817 | Published online: 23 May 2019 >> >>>My small contribution comes in at only 1400 words: >> >>>The Prisoner: An Introduction >> >>>The Prisoner is one of the most iconic and surrealistic, if not >> psychedelic, products of the 1960s "golden age" of television. An >angry >> secret agent returns home from hand delivering his letter of >> resignation, when he is immediately gassed by an undertaker in top >hat >> and tails. He regains consciousness in his own bed but when he looks >> out his window he discovers that he is no longer home at all: He is >in >> The Village, a deceptively idyllic holiday resort that is actually a >> high tech prison for spies. At once the games begin. >> >> I am actually old enough (61) to remember watching The Prisoner >first-run. It was clearly quite different than typical American fare. >> >> Jim Bell Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
Re: The cultural turn in intelligence studies
Are you really over 60. OMG that is flippen agent you could be my grate grate grampa. Original Message On Aug 21, 2019, 3:50 PM, jim bell wrote: > On Tuesday, August 20, 2019, 12:35:46 PM PDT, Steve Kinney > wrote: > > On 8/18/19 8:05 PM, coderman wrote: >> >> The cultural turn in intelligence studies >> >>> Simon Willmetts >>> correspondences.d.willme...@fgga.leidenuniv.nl >>> View further author information >>> Pages 800-817 | Published online: 23 May 2019 > >>My small contribution comes in at only 1400 words: > >>The Prisoner: An Introduction > >>The Prisoner is one of the most iconic and surrealistic, if not > psychedelic, products of the 1960s "golden age" of television. An angry > secret agent returns home from hand delivering his letter of > resignation, when he is immediately gassed by an undertaker in top hat > and tails. He regains consciousness in his own bed but when he looks > out his window he discovers that he is no longer home at all: He is in > The Village, a deceptively idyllic holiday resort that is actually a > high tech prison for spies. At once the games begin. > > I am actually old enough (61) to remember watching The Prisoner first-run. > It was clearly quite different than typical American fare. > > Jim Bell
"There are no hierarchies" - Re: Johnny Cash's family informs white sub-premacists where to stuff it - [MINISTRY] [PEACE] [YO]
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 08:04:28AM -0700, Razer wrote: > > "The white supremacists and neo-Nazis who marched in Charlottesville are > > poison in our society..." > > The Nazties are gonna have to find themselves an new 'musical pepe'. > > It should have been fucking obvious even to shit-for-brains pos Fascists. > Cash was ENTIRELY anti-war until the day he died too. But leave it to NAZIS > to usurp symbols and destroy their meaning, because THEY have no meaning... > just miserable litttle incel f@gggots worshipping at the altar of metal > COCKS, so as infantile tantrum, they destroy other's symbols. > > Johnny Cash's family tells white supremacists to get Johnny's name out of > their mouth > > Rosanne Cash is the eldest daughter of American legend Johnny Cash. After > receiving some information that her late father’s memorabilia was showing up > in images circulating around the Charlottesville KKK riot, she wanted to make > things very clear—Johnny Cash had zero time for white supremacist bullshit. > Taking to her Facebook account, Rosanne Cash posted this: > > A message from the children of Johnny Cash: > > We were alerted to a video of a young man in Charlottesville, a > self-proclaimed neo-Nazi, spewing hatred and bile. He was wearing a t-shirt > emblazoned with the name of Johnny Cash, our father. We were sickened by the > association. > > Johnny Cash was a man whose heart beat with the rhythm of love and social > justice. He received humanitarian awards from, among others, the Jewish > National Fund, B’nai Brith, and the United Nations. He championed the rights > of Native Americans, protested the war in Vietnam, was a voice for the poor, > the struggling and the disenfranchised, and an advocate for the rights of > prisoners. > > Along with our sister Rosanne, he was on the advisory board of an > organization solely devoted to preventing gun violence among children. > > His pacifism and inclusive patriotism were two of his most defining > characteristics. > > He would be horrified at even a casual use of his name or image for an idea > or a cause founded in persecution and hatred. The white supremacists and > neo-Nazis who marched in Charlottesville are poison in our society, and an > insult to every American hero who wore a uniform to fight the Nazis in WWII. > Several men in the extended Cash family were among those who served with > honor. > > Our dad told each of us, over and over throughout our lives, ‘Children, you > can choose love or hate. I choose love.’ > > We do not judge race, color, sexual orientation or creed. We value the > capacity for love and the impulse towards kindness. We respect diversity, and > cherish our shared humanity. We recognize the suffering of other human > beings, and remain committed to our natural instinct for compassion and > service. > > To any who claim supremacy over other human beings, to any who believe in > racial or religious hierarchy: we are not you. Our father, as a person, icon, > or symbol, is not you. We ask that the Cash name be kept far away from > destructive and hateful ideology. > > We Choose Love. > Rosanne Cash > Kathy Cash > Cindy Cash > Tara Cash > John Carter Cash > > August 16, 2017 > > https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/16/1690544/-Johnny-Cash-s-family-tells-white-supremacists-to-get-Johnny-s-name-out-their-mouth Well Johnny Cash kids, you say “to any who believe in racial or religious hierarchy”. Welp. How about that. No hierarchies eh? Because, like, you say so like. At least no racial or religious hierarchies, yes? So, zero correlation between IQ and genetic ancestry? Zero genetic predispositions of various groupings of humans? And absolutely no religious hierarchies exist? Everybody equal - all just peace and love, yeah? So we just ignore the absolute declarations of hierarchy, religious superiority and inferiority, in Judaism? What about in Islam? Christianity? Oh sorry, I'm guessing we weren't s'posed to mention facts? You might join John 'The Reparator' Newman :) He gonna take in some Somali "child" male 'immigrants' 'cause he knows ALL about facts :D So Rosanne, Kathy, Cindy, Tara and John Cash, you can have your peace and love within limits only, as you cannot value something, or pursue anything, without immediately creating a hierarchy of such values - and a hierarchy of humans in relation to such a valuing - yes, --including-- valuing peace and love - there are those who have different values to you, but I guess they're all just equal values you say, without one value being above or below another? Well then we inherently pit various groups of humans "upholding" their group's values, against another group of humans, and see which set of values "wins" - that is, which set becomes predominant in a given region/locality, after various periods of time. Asia now, after 600 (?) or so years, has vast Muslim populations, where before none existed, just Buddhism, Pant
Re: The cultural turn in intelligence studies
On Tuesday, August 20, 2019, 12:35:46 PM PDT, Steve Kinney wrote: On 8/18/19 8:05 PM, coderman wrote: > > The cultural turn in intelligence studies > >> Simon Willmetts >> correspondences.d.willme...@fgga.leidenuniv.nl >> View further author information >> Pages 800-817 | Published online: 23 May 2019 >My small contribution comes in at only 1400 words: >The Prisoner: An Introduction >The Prisoner is one of the most iconic and surrealistic, if not psychedelic, products of the 1960s "golden age" of television. An angry secret agent returns home from hand delivering his letter of resignation, when he is immediately gassed by an undertaker in top hat and tails. He regains consciousness in his own bed but when he looks out his window he discovers that he is no longer home at all: He is in The Village, a deceptively idyllic holiday resort that is actually a high tech prison for spies. At once the games begin. I am actually old enough (61) to remember watching The Prisoner first-run. It was clearly quite different than typical American fare. Jim Bell
Re: Ftr.
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:59:48AM -0500, \0xDynamite wrote: > >> Juan, I think you said you use claws mail, there is a gpg > >> plugin, though Ive never used it. Only if you give a shit of > >> course ;) > >> > >> https://www.claws-mail.org/plugin.php?plugin=gpg > > > > Yes, thanks. The thing is, I'm not too keen on signing messages because > > I > > don't want to provide cryptographic proof of me writing stuff like : "the US > > government (and all other governments) must be exterminated" ^-^ - Signing > > is a double edged sword... Yeah, I've considered that, but I choose to own my words. Fuck 'em :) > > That's a pretty good point. It's hard to say you didn't say it and > was merely victimized by spoofersheheh > > After talking to folks while at MIT, I sorta concluded that privacy > was the wrong focus anyways -- it's better to make a rocking world and > show everyone that you know better. > > Marxos -- GPG fingerprint: 17FD 615A D20D AFE8 B3E4 C9D2 E324 20BE D47A 78C7 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Johnny Cash's family informs white sub-premacists where to stuff it.
> "The white supremacists and neo-Nazis who marched in Charlottesville are > poison in our society..." The Nazties are gonna have to find themselves an new 'musical pepe'. It should have been fucking obvious even to shit-for-brains pos Fascists. Cash was ENTIRELY anti-war until the day he died too. But leave it to NAZIS to usurp symbols and destroy their meaning, because THEY have no meaning... just miserable litttle incel f@gggots worshipping at the altar of metal COCKS, so as infantile tantrum, they destroy other's symbols. Johnny Cash's family tells white supremacists to get Johnny's name out of their mouth Rosanne Cash is the eldest daughter of American legend Johnny Cash. After receiving some information that her late father’s memorabilia was showing up in images circulating around the Charlottesville KKK riot, she wanted to make things very clear—Johnny Cash had zero time for white supremacist bullshit. Taking to her Facebook account, Rosanne Cash posted this: A message from the children of Johnny Cash: We were alerted to a video of a young man in Charlottesville, a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi, spewing hatred and bile. He was wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the name of Johnny Cash, our father. We were sickened by the association. Johnny Cash was a man whose heart beat with the rhythm of love and social justice. He received humanitarian awards from, among others, the Jewish National Fund, B’nai Brith, and the United Nations. He championed the rights of Native Americans, protested the war in Vietnam, was a voice for the poor, the struggling and the disenfranchised, and an advocate for the rights of prisoners. Along with our sister Rosanne, he was on the advisory board of an organization solely devoted to preventing gun violence among children. His pacifism and inclusive patriotism were two of his most defining characteristics. He would be horrified at even a casual use of his name or image for an idea or a cause founded in persecution and hatred. The white supremacists and neo-Nazis who marched in Charlottesville are poison in our society, and an insult to every American hero who wore a uniform to fight the Nazis in WWII. Several men in the extended Cash family were among those who served with honor. Our dad told each of us, over and over throughout our lives, ‘Children, you can choose love or hate. I choose love.’ We do not judge race, color, sexual orientation or creed. We value the capacity for love and the impulse towards kindness. We respect diversity, and cherish our shared humanity. We recognize the suffering of other human beings, and remain committed to our natural instinct for compassion and service. To any who claim supremacy over other human beings, to any who believe in racial or religious hierarchy: we are not you. Our father, as a person, icon, or symbol, is not you. We ask that the Cash name be kept far away from destructive and hateful ideology. We Choose Love. Rosanne Cash Kathy Cash Cindy Cash Tara Cash John Carter Cash August 16, 2017 https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/16/1690544/-Johnny-Cash-s-family-tells-white-supremacists-to-get-Johnny-s-name-out-their-mouth Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
