Repeat of the XYZ Affair?
Something reminded me of the XYZ Affair, something I read from the chapters of my history textbook that my middle school class skipped. No one is going to condemn our government for behaving like the old corrupt monarchies that the American spirit inherently despises. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_inquiry_against_Donald_Trump Sondland, Volker, and Perry, who called themselves the "three amigos" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYZ_Affair An American diplomatic commission was sent to France in July 1797 to negotiate a solution to problems that were threatening to break out into war. The diplomats, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, John Marshall, and Elbridge Gerry, were approached through informal channels by agents of the French foreign minister, Talleyrand, who demanded bribes and a loan before formal negotiations could begin. Although such demands were not uncommon in mainland European diplomacy of the time, the Americans were offended by them, and eventually left France without ever engaging in formal negotiations.
AP
I also just realized that we're using a word that triggers the Echelon system. DUMBASSES!!! \0xd
Re: Assassination Politics AP
> I think in the end, the right way to handle this is to think > creatively and not use assassination as a model at all, but keep the > payout bounty idea. People just have to be more creative at getting > payback. Wait a second, i just realized that I've already implemented this. But I'm not allowed to talk about it. Find the github project JusticeLeague.
Re: Assassination Politics AP
> >I've been thinking about your AP idea, and think rather than make mock > contracts on political "targets", which is a bit incendiary, one could > make headline "bounties" that, if met, get rewarded. Like "CIA > director, X, dies from food poisoning". > > One possibility would be to implement an AP system, but limit the payout for > any one target to a fairly low value, say $1000. (enough to cause a bit of > worry). Then file a lawsuit in Federal Court for an injunction against law > enforcement authorities to demand that the legalities of such a system be > debated and declared. 'They' would have to explain and document why they > thought that such a system was illegal, or admit it would be legal. Having payouts is pretty risky, because they could claim that you aided or abetted a criminal act, but the beauty of using headlines is that you don't have to suggest that anybody get hurt. You/US have to be creative. It puts equal burden on the headline maker to think of something that gets *righteous* payback without actually hurting anyone. AND you get the added bonus of complete separation from the act. I shouldn't have used the example of a CIA director dying of food poisoning, because that could be construed as incentivizing murder (especially if you're offering payouts). I think in the end, the right way to handle this is to think creatively and not use assassination as a model at all, but keep the payout bounty idea. People just have to be more creative at getting payback. Marxos
Re: trolls - Trolls -- TROLLLLSSSSS!!!!! - "democracy"'s greatest threat, keyboard gimp jockeys - [PEACE]
Why the fuck is that asshole Z*n posting under a new alias? You don't think people won't plonk this one twice as fast? [plonk] On January 3, 2020 2:21:57 AM UTC, "Zigger the N.gger" wrote: >Witness: the awesome power of Kek! > > The Great Russian Election-Hacking Myth > https://theduran.com/the-great-russian-election-hacking-myth/ >https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/great-russian-election-hacking-myth > >... >Are we now to believe James Bond’s deadliest enemy is a troll who >sits behind a keyboard all day long hoping to dissuade people >from voting Democrat by posting cartoons augmented by subtle >propaganda? Apparently so. > >... >Scotsman Gary McKinnon hacked into no fewer than 97 US military >and NASA computers over a thirteen month period in 2001–2002. He >said he was looking for evidence of UFOs and other fringe >subjects. His was said to have been the biggest military hack of >all time. > >Gimp on, muffas :D > > > >Caitlin Johnstone ever apropos: > > > What Upstanding Citizens Believe Vs. What Crazy Conspiracy > Theorists Believe >https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/what-upstanding-citizens-believe-vs-what-crazy-conspiracy-theorists-believe >https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/what-upstanding-citizens-believe-vs-what-crazy-conspiracy-theorists-believe-4cf81a2183ee > >Crazy, stupid conspiracy theorists believe that powerful people >sometimes make immoral plans in secret. > >Smart upstanding citizens believe the TV always tells the truth >and the CIA exists for no reason. > >Crazy, stupid conspiracy theorists believe that extreme >government secrecy makes it necessary to discuss possible >theories about what might be going on behind that veil of >opacity. > >Smart upstanding citizens believe that just because a >world-dominating government with the most powerful military in >the history of civilization has no transparency and zero >accountability to the public, that doesn’t mean you’ve got to get >all paranoid about it. > >Crazy, stupid conspiracy theorists believe it’s okay to ask >questions about important events that happen in the world, even >if their government tells them they shouldn’t. > >Smart upstanding citizens believe everything they need to know >about reality comes out of Mike Pompeo’s angelic mouth. >... > > > >On a lighter note, their day is coming: > > "Their Day Is Coming, I Promise You": Durham Probe To Contain "Very > Problematic Findings", Meadows Warns >https://www.zerohedge.com/political/their-day-coming-i-promise-you-warns-meadows-says-durham-probe-may-contain-very > >... >"When we look at the investigation that is going on now with Mr. >Durham, he is finding things that will be very problematic," said >Meadows - who will not be seeking reelection in 2020. > >"And where they’re problematic is not just in the initial >investigation, it is after January of 2017 before the president >is actually sworn into office, they’re still operating on trying >to take him down when they know they had no case," Meadows added. > >Durham, appointed by Attorney General Bill Bar to examine the >origins of the Russia investigation, has reportedly been focusing >on former CIA Director John Brennan's communications in regards >to the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment which >concluded that Vladimir Putin meddled in the last election to >help President Trump. > >Barr, who has been directly involved in the investigation, >reportedly traveled to London over the summer to discuss matters >with UK intelligence officials - telling NBC that he was there >"to introduce Durham to the appropriate people and set up a >channel through which he could work with these countries." > >... >R-NC Meadows and Bannon: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKS5B9fo2f4 > > > >Now, I wonder, why does Hilary "We came, we saw, he died" Clinton, >get a chill down her spine when she looks into Durham's inquisitorial >eyes? > >Nope. No idea. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with years of >evil, illegal, unlawful, unconstitutional actions. Not possible. > > Durham: >My -eyes-, nigger! Look in, to muh -eyes-!! >You is face music! > >I just love it when dey plan comes togedder :D signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: America is a nation of immigrants
On January 3, 2020 6:39:53 PM UTC, Mirimir wrote: >On 01/03/2020 09:13 AM, Razer wrote: >> You're walking on Native land shit-for-brains. > >That's true enough. In the US, most of them died, long ago. But in >Mexico and some parts of Central and South America, they're still >around. I've visited many places in the mountains of Mexico where many >speak little Spanish. Including Huautla de Jiménez ;) > >However, it's also true that multiple groups arrived from Asia in >multiple waves, over perhaps 40 kyr or more. And there are some >examples >where later arrivals killed or displaced earlier ones. > >Which is pretty much what's happened everywhere, for millions of years. > Or however many hundred K years modern human has been around. Except, of course, modern humans wiping each other out is just another expression of Darwinism (with modern tech having really twisted the meaning of "natural selection") and that shit has been going on forever. >Still, the Native Americans are very unusual. In that there were more >or >less stable cultures throughout the Americas for maybe 10-20 kyr. Until >the fucking Europeans arrived, anyway. _1491_ and _1492_ are sobering. One nice thing that bit the Europeans - syphilis. The (insert nationality here) disease was one of the few things endemic to the Americas, the one germ that seemed to at least cause some discomfort as it spread through the old world shortly after Colombo's first return ships. Hardly fair payback though signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Assassination Politics AP
On Thursday, January 2, 2020, 01:53:59 PM PST, \0xDynamite wrote: >> >Such platforms being centralized, the implementation > would likely be reported and instantly shutdown. > >> I would think that sociologists and philosophers would be interested to >> know, at least theoretically, how an AP-type system would function, in a >> harmless environment like a game simulation program. >I've been thinking about your AP idea, and think rather than make mock contracts on political "targets", which is a bit incendiary, one could make headline "bounties" that, if met, get rewarded. Like "CIA director, X, dies from food poisoning". One possibility would be to implement an AP system, but limit the payout for any one target to a fairly low value, say $1000. (enough to cause a bit of worry). Then file a lawsuit in Federal Court for an injunction against law enforcement authorities to demand that the legalities of such a system be debated and declared. 'They' would have to explain and document why they thought that such a system was illegal, or admit it would be legal. Jim Bell
Oddly silent
I think it speaks volumes about how many of this list's posters work for US intel agencies and contractors by the lack of any commenting on your new war with Iran. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Missing video from Jeffrey Epstein's first suicide.
I don't give a fuck about your pervert fetish and you just became toast for not addressing you email in a manner that filters to the list folder in my email software. In other words, you wrote a PERSONAL FUCKING EMAIL and Cc:'d it to the list. Are you a moron? Don't you unbderfuckingstand how lists work? Just more trash in my inbox afaic. Rr signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: mail.yandex.com FTFW :D - [LIBERATING]
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 00:32 rooty wrote: I promise Tazor and Sea Sea it's New year's resolution that I will be a > productive member of this wonderful community no need block that's hurtful. > Had no idea that was Zeen and have blocked him once for all Please, do _not_ be scared or annoyed. Sorry for hurting you, baby rooty. I won't block you for talking with Zenaan (and/or her fake profiles) just one or another time, little boot. Just if it becomes public and deeply usual. Sorry, this bad girl really needs psychiatric support and I have no more patience with her and her closet full of skeletons, contradictions, and lies. "Wonderful community"? Err... Are we talking about the same group, baby rooty? I do love this list, but "wonderful community" is too much, doesn't it? O.o I don't know exactly what to do for being a "productive member" here. Try to be a good guy, sharing interesting or fun content, and help who needs some support and is asking for cooperation in good projects and ideas. It's enough for making the world a bit better, I think. :D Always remember: - Be the change you want to see in the world. Always yours, sea sea! <3 -- Loving. Caring. Sharing. Being Excellent To Each Other And To Our Hackerspace. <3 -- "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your curiosity. It's your place in the world; it's your life. Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live." - Mae Jemison
Re: Missing video from Jeffrey Epstein's first suicide.
On Friday, January 3, 2020, 02:16:28 AM PST, Tom Busby wrote: >>And John Gilmore, Ryan Lackey, Tom Busby, and Declan McCullagh don't seem to >>care >It's not that I don't care, I just don't know what I can do about it. This >appears to be the only copy of the archive available. >If anyone else has a more complete archive, send it to me and I'll merge it. You are thinking solely in terms of correcting the archive. That's a limited view. I'm thinking of finding out who is responsible for the well-planned omissions in the archive. From where was the data obtained? When was the faking of the data done? Who did it? Why?Who had control of the Cypherpunks list during the 1995-2003 time frame? Was the data stored elsewhere, such as the Wayback Machine? Jim Bell On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 08:25, jim bell wrote: Jeffrey Epstein: Surveillance Video From First Suicide Attempt Missing https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jeffrey-epstein-surveillance-video-first-184510141.html Jim Bell's comment: Missing, just like a few thousand postings to me, from me, about me, and any mentioning Assassination Politics in the 1995 Cypherpunks archive. And John Gilmore, Ryan Lackey, Tom Busby, and Declan McCullagh don't seem to care. Neither does Brian Merchant nor Will Stephenson. Concealing the past by erasing the evidence is an old story.
Re: America is a nation of immigrants
On 01/03/2020 09:13 AM, Razer wrote: > You're walking on Native land shit-for-brains. That's true enough. In the US, most of them died, long ago. But in Mexico and some parts of Central and South America, they're still around. I've visited many places in the mountains of Mexico where many speak little Spanish. Including Huautla de Jiménez ;) However, it's also true that multiple groups arrived from Asia in multiple waves, over perhaps 40 kyr or more. And there are some examples where later arrivals killed or displaced earlier ones. Which is pretty much what's happened everywhere, for millions of years. Still, the Native Americans are very unusual. In that there were more or less stable cultures throughout the Americas for maybe 10-20 kyr. Until the fucking Europeans arrived, anyway. _1491_ and _1492_ are sobering.
OFFTOPIC: cops parody
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I don't need an editor
I don't need an editor, particularly one who thinks two things are equivalent only in a smirking sense. I doubt this is a situation one should implicitly trust the law at its word. There have been supreme court cases on who can make final decisions on publication, but those don't apply because they are inconvenient and don't deal with exactly the same matter.
Re: America is a nation of immigrants
You're walking on Native land shit-for-brains. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: The Aryan stock is bound to triumph!
On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 06:05:10AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote: > https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-159/wsc-a-midnight-interview-1902/ > https://crimesofbritain.com/2016/09/13/the-trial-of-winston-churchill Notwithstanding the crimes and stupidity of the past, in the present we have government mandated "massive immigration" of Muslims from countries and areas known to foster suicide bombers, disdain for Western ways (such as Women wearing attractive and minimal, sexually suggestive clothing in public), and various consequences, for us (in the West) as a result of all this. Some cultures are simply not compatible. Forced miscegenation is, at least for us in Western nations, evidence of destructive intentions upon the people of the West. I oppose such destructive intentions.
Re: America is a nation of immigrants
On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 07:51:27AM +, Ryan Carboni wrote: > America is a nation of immigrants, there are two common reasons for > people to immigrate to America. > > The first reason is when people who have the unfortunate problem of > speaking their mind had to leave for one reason or another. > > The second reason are those who believe America is the land of > opportunity (which is only valid if you were born in a medieval dirt > hovel and think anything is better than that). > > There is only government for people like that, and it certainly > doesn't involve a rotating clique of genitalia evaluated to be > exquisite. The past fifty years revealed what options are available, > and they are all terrible. The current leaders don't care that events > escalated to any point, they don't care about any desired aims, and > they don't care about anything but protecting their positions, even if > the chance that they would be removed will remain at zero. Prior to 1969 (Australia, but similar for USA), we had the White Australia policy. We accepted folks of "European heritage". Ultimately, the Italians, Greeks etc, integrated with Australia - which makes sense as we have a shared cultural heritage, and for better or worse, we had a shared "religious cultural umbrella", Christianity. Christian nations become wealthy. Islamic nations become wealthy by relationship with Western nations, although some Islamic scholars will dispute this. Certain factions of Islam, in the present era, foster extremist idiology and behaviour. Islam may be many things, but many, perhaps most (yes, not all) of the Muslim people "our" governments have allowed to immigrate, fail to integrate into our Western "Christian umbrella" nations/ society. So there are certainly other reasons people immigrate, for example with the Chinese, to acquire New Land (the title of a Western Australian 'Chinese' magazine), and to custodian that New Land for the motherland - China. And there are many islamists who act under direct religious direction to "culturally enrich" our nation by ways of various (to us) criminal actions, but to them is religious imperative, as well as actions such as breeding themselves into numeric dominance. Such matters are widely "publicly" discussed by Imams and others on e.g. YouTube. We can only be naieve to ignore these other "non Christian" reasons for which many "immigrate" into the West for. There are also some who actually do flee civil, or rather mostly CIA instigated "Western" regime change operations otherwise known as civil, war. It is far too easy to accept the forever bracketted legacy stream media narratives and to project our fundamentally Christian values (for the average White Western individual, whether he realises this or not), on --all-- so called "immigrants" allegedly merely "seeking a better life", otherwise known as bullshit in many cases.
Re: Missing video from Jeffrey Epstein's first suicide.
> > And John Gilmore, Ryan Lackey, Tom Busby, and Declan McCullagh don't seem > to care > It's not that I don't care, I just don't know what I can do about it. This appears to be the only copy of the archive available. If anyone else has a more complete archive, send it to me and I'll merge it. On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 08:25, jim bell wrote: > Jeffrey Epstein: Surveillance Video From First Suicide Attempt > Missinghttps://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jeffrey-epstein-surveillance-video-first-184510141.html > > > Jim Bell's comment: > > Missing, just like a few thousand postings to me, from me, about me, and > any mentioning Assassination Politics in the 1995 Cypherpunks archive. > > And John Gilmore, Ryan Lackey, Tom Busby, and Declan McCullagh don't seem > to care. Neither does Brian Merchant nor Will Stephenson. > > Concealing the past by erasing the evidence is an old story. >
Re: Clean Coal?
Given that most if not all conspiracy theories come from the US government to make other groups look bad or confuse the situation, it becomes very easy to eschew responsibility in everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair Canham-Clyne argued that for the "national security state", the law was an obstacle to be surmounted rather than something to uphold and that the Iran–Contra affair was just "business as usual", something he asserted that the media missed by focusing on the NSC having "gone operational."
Clean Coal?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquatic_Species_Program What is the energy return on investment when extreme weather events double, wells become brackish, the Great Plains becomes the American Sahara, etc But there are think tanks thinking about what to do afterward, nothing about prevention. Well it doesn't matter, for some reason Iran released their hostages when Reagan inaugurated, and then the US sold Iran anti air missiles which weigh half a tonne each. Whatever is going on is never going to make sense, beyond a massive case of procrastination.
