Soleimani's dipl. mission was requested by USA -- Re: Soleimani, another perspective

[Zigga da Bigga Trigga N.gga]

Escobar, writing for The Saker, drops the following bombshell:


  Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani had flown into Baghdad on a normal
  carrier flight, carrying a diplomatic passport. He had been sent by
  Tehran to deliver, in person, a reply to a message from Riyadh on
  de-escalation across the Middle East. Those negotiations had been
  requested by the Trump administration.

  So Baghdad was officially mediating between Tehran and Riyadh, at
  the behest of Trump. And Soleimani was a messenger. Adil
  Abdul-Mahdi was supposed to meet Soleimani at 8:30 am, Baghdad
  time, last Friday. But a few hours before the appointed time,
  Soleimani died as the object of a targeted assassination at Baghdad
  airport.

  Let that sink in – for the annals of 21st century diplomacy. Once
  again: it does not matter whether the assassination order was
  issued by President Trump, the US Deep State or the usual suspects
  – or  when. After all, the Pentagon had Soleimani on its sights for
  a long time, but always refused to go for the final hit, fearing
  devastating consequences.

  Now, the fact is that the United States government – on foreign
  soil, as a guest nation – has assassinated a diplomatic envoy who
  was on an official mission that had been requested by the United
  States government itself.

  Baghdad will formally denounce this behavior to the United Nations.
  However, it would be idle to expect UN outrage about the US killing
  of a diplomatic envoy. International law was dead even before
  2003’s Shock and Awe.
  ...



Source:
  
  Escobar On The Soleimani Psyop & The Financial WMDs

  http://thesaker.is/financial-n-option-will-settle-trumps-oil-war/

  https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-soleimani-psyop-financial-wmds





On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 02:10:56PM +1100, Zigga da Bigga Trigga N.gga wrote:
> Soleimani - another perspective:
> 
>   Arch Terrorist or Ally? Three Times Soleimani Saved American Lives
>   
> https://sputniknews.com/world/202001061077960305-arch-terrorist-or-inadvertent-ally-three-times-soleimani-saved-american-lives/
> 
> ...
> Soleimani is 2015 fighting along American soldiers in Iraq to
> kill ISIS fighters.. now killed by Trump on all sorts of
> fabrications. Our foreign policy is psychotic
> https://pic.twitter.com/iTHppkwhdU
> 
> ...
> In late 2001, after a group of 19 Saudi, Emirati, Lebanese and
> Egyptian hijackers slammed commercial airliners into the World
> Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing nearly 3,000 Americans, US
> officials quietly met with Iranian diplomats coordinated by
> Soleimani in Geneva. Iran, a long-time enemy of al-Qaeda and its
> leader, Osama bin Laden, agreed to provide the United States with
> valuable intelligence on the terrorist group, including the
> locations of suspected al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan.
> Iran was also eager to assist the US in its campaign against the
> Taliban, since the radical fundamentalist movement was known for
> its harsh treatment of Afghanistan’s Shia minority, and had
> attacked and killed 11 Iranian diplomats at the consulate in
> Mazar-i-Sharif in 1998.
> 
> In November 2001, Quds Force special forces and US Army Rangers
> and Delta Force units entered the city of Herat, northwestern
> Afghanistan, igniting an anti-terrorist insurrection led by
> Northern Alliance. The unprecedented operation led to the
> collapse of Taliban control of Herat, and soon the group was
> toppled from power across the rest of Afghanistan. The Quds Force
> was known to have provided material support to Ahmad Shah
> Massoud, leader of the US-allied Northern Alliance, going back to
> at least the mid-1990s. Iranian intelligence services continued
> to provide the US with intelligence until January 2002, when US
> President George W Bush added Iran to his ‘Axis of Evil’ list of
> possible regime change targets during his State of the Union
> address.
> 
> ...
> How did Soleimani’s efforts in the Syrian conflict save American
> lives? For one thing, they helped to tie down tens of thousands
> of radicals from Daesh (ISIS),* al-Qaeda, and a host of other
> terrorist groups which could have otherwise scattered to Western
> countries to conduct Paris or Brussels-style terror attacks.
> Furthermore, they allowed the US to limit its anti-Daesh
> operations in Syria to aerial support and limited on-the-ground
> assistance to Kurdish militias, meaning fewer US service members’
> lives put at risk.
> 
> ...
> Whether against the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, or
> against Daesh and other terrorist groups in Syria and Iraq, Gen.
> Soleimani and the Quds Force have consistently fought the same
> Sunni Islamist Wahhabi fundamentalist forces which have targeted
> US forces across the Middle East and around the world, and which
> have 

Re: Clue to So-Called Missing Jim Bell-AP Messages

[\0xDynamite]

>>> Nutjob
>>
>> Have you done the work?
>
> I think John's posting of Tim's email pretty much resolved it. Anyone
> who expects a US public (or private) server owner not to obey a US court
> order's instructions is too stupid to be using a computer on the
> internet.

Are you saying you're willing to give away your rights?  If you
haven't broken a law, what is your reason to give up anything...?

marxos

"Hillary Clinton Slams Trump For Not Taking A More 'Hands-Off' Approach To [Iraq] Embassy Attack" - [PEACE]

[Zigga da Bigga Trigga N.gga]

>From the "week old news, but better late than never" dept.

Trust Hillary:

  Hillary Clinton Slams Trump For Not Taking A More
  'Hands-Off' Approach To Embassy Attack
  January 1st, 2020
  
https://babylonbee.com/news/hillary-clinton-slams-trump-for-not-taking-a-more-hands-off-approach-to-embassy-attack

WASHINGTON, D.C—Hillary Clinton has slammed President Trump on
Twitter for not taking a more "hands-off" approach to the
protests in Iraq that threatened American lives at the embassy
there.

After Trump quickly sent Marines to defend Americans trapped at
the embassy, Clinton immediately blasted him for taking such
"rash, uncalled-for" action when he could have just "waited
around a while to see what happens."

...



In other news:

  Democrats Call For Flags To Be Flown At Half-Mast
  To Grieve Death Of Soleimani
  
https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-call-for-flags-to-be-flown-half-mast-to-grieve-death-of-soleimani

Re: Clue to So-Called Missing Jim Bell-AP Messages

[jim bell]

 Okay, I saw a very old (19 years ago) email.  I read it.  I didn't have a 
comment.   Do you have a question?
               Jim Bell
On Monday, January 6, 2020, 07:29:05 PM PST, Razer  wrote: 
 
 
 You'll notice whose prominently missing from this convo.

Jim Bell.

Know why?

He didn't really want an answer.

He wants a reason to be paranoid.

Nutjob

Rr

On 1/4/20 2:03 PM, John Young wrote:
> X-Sender: tc...@mail.got.net
> Message-Id: 
> In-Reply-To: <200101082217.raa29...@johnson.mail.mindspring.net>
> References: <200101082217.raa29...@johnson.mail.mindspring.net>
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:59:33 -0800
> To: John Young , cypherpu...@cyberpass.net
> From: Tim May 
> Subject: Re: Bell Case Subpoena
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
> At 5:09 PM -0500 1/8/01, John Young wrote:
> >Today at 4:30 PM two Treasury agents, Tom Jack and Matthew
> >Mc Whirr, served me a Subpoena to Testify Before Grand Jury,
> >in US District Court of Western Washington, Seattle, WA, on
> >January 25, 2001, 9:00 AM. Robb London, AUSA, is the
> >applicant.
> >
> >The subpoena states in bold caps "We request that you do not
> >disclose the existence of this subpoena, because such a
> >disclosure may make it more difficult to conduct the investigation."
> >...
> >   Please provide any and all documents, papers, letters, computer
> >   disks, photographs, notes, objects, information, or other items
> >   in your possession or under your control, including electronically
> >   stored or computer records, which:
> >
> > 1. Name, mention, describe, discuss, involve or relate to James
> > Dalton Bell, a/k/a Jim Bell, or
>
>
> By the way, John, thanks for the "heads up." I purged my archives of
> Jim Bell e-mail sent directly to me, though I left on my system the
> e-mail he copied the list on.
>
>
> (Yes, I purged the back-ups, too. A good reason not to back up e-mail
> to CD-Rs.)
>
>
> --Tim May
  

Self-Sovereign ID Tech

[grarpamp]

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3512108/frustration-over-growing-privacy-and-security-failures-advancing-self-sovereign-identities.html
https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rwot5-boston/blob/master/topics-and-advance-readings/self-sovereign-identity-primer.md

There is a growing movement among fintech companies, banks, healthcare
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decentralized digital wallets based on P2P blockchain. Self-sovereign
identity (SSI) is a term used to describe the digital movement that
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digitally sign transactions or provide access to verifying
information, everything from bank-issued credit lines to diplomas --
all of which are controlled by the user through public key
infrastructure (PKI). The blockchain ledger and PKI technology is
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manufacturing, don't yet amount to an entire ecosystem, but they will
grow over the next few years, according to Gartner.

Re: Assange persecuted by Judge Arbuthnot with her p rima facie conflict of interest, refuses to recuse herself - - Re: Galloway …has campaigned tirelessly for Assange’s freedom - [PEACE]

[Razer]

On 1/6/20 1:31 PM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jan 2020 16:12:36 -0500
> John Young  wrote:
>
>> First I've heard of the armed agents in the courtroom. However, some 
>> of the Assange fans have made threatening statements, and I haven't 
>> heard of Assange asking to not do that.
>   
>   well, he has been jailed by your nazi government. Unless you share a 
> cell with assange, how are you planning to hear anything from him?
>
>
>> Assange fans have made threatening statements
>   and by the way, what's wrong with that, exacly? 
>
>
>
>
>>> I wonder if the judge refusing to recuse herself has anything to do 
>>> with the two agents, allegedly carrying automatic weapons illegally 
>>> in the courtroom, addressing her while closely standing before her bench.
>
>   lolwut - she just a corrupt to the core cunt and loyal govcorp agent. 
> And a great example of the achievments of 'poor oppressed womynz' 
>
I feel like I'm explaining how to take a shit to a child here.

I was recently ejected forcibly from a local courtroom by two rather
large and heavily armed bailiffs for 'illegally' taking a pic of a local
reporter taking a pic of court proceedings. I was told the local
reporter was 'authorized' (process unexplained) to take pictures and I
was not.

Ditto weapons in the courtroom. They OWN the courtroom and can arm
whomever the fuck they want.

Rr




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Re: Clue to So-Called Missing Jim Bell-AP Messages

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 01:11:46AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 19:28:25 -0800
> Razer  wrote:
> 
> > You'll notice whose prominently missing from this convo.
> > 
> > Jim Bell.
> > 
> > Know why?
> > 
> > He didn't really want an answer.
> > 
> > He wants a reason to be paranoid.
> 
> 
>   "I left on my system the e-mail he copied the list on." means, I think, 
> that TM didn't delete posts from the/his list archive.
> 
>   All in all, the clue doesn't give any clue as far as I can see, and 
> JY's subject "so called missing messages" is clearly retarded since the 
> messages ARE missing, for whatever reason. 
> 
>   or perhaps the clue is that people partially deleted their archives to 
> avoid helping the govt prosecute Jim. But actually deleting posts doesn't 
> make too much sense. One could simply give an edited copy to the govt while 
> keeping the complete archive secretand publish it later.


Because the gov.t would surely never entrap folks they suspect of
hiding something gov wants, e.g. by issuing a subpoena and later
seizing computer equipment and backups?

But more logically, a rational gov that actually wanted the data
would obtain a seizure warrant and seize the equipment without
forenotice, and thus pre-emptive (and at that moment in time, lawful)
deletion of records, would therefore have been the most logical
course.



> > Nutjob
> > 
> > Rr
> > 
> > On 1/4/20 2:03 PM, John Young wrote:
> > > X-Sender: tc...@mail.got.net
> > > Message-Id: 
> > > In-Reply-To: <200101082217.raa29...@johnson.mail.mindspring.net>
> > > References: <200101082217.raa29...@johnson.mail.mindspring.net>
> > > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:59:33 -0800
> > > To: John Young , cypherpu...@cyberpass.net
> > > From: Tim May 
> > > Subject: Re: Bell Case Subpoena
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
> > >
> > > At 5:09 PM -0500 1/8/01, John Young wrote:
> > > >Today at 4:30 PM two Treasury agents, Tom Jack and Matthew
> > > >Mc Whirr, served me a Subpoena to Testify Before Grand Jury,
> > > >in US District Court of Western Washington, Seattle, WA, on
> > > >January 25, 2001, 9:00 AM. Robb London, AUSA, is the
> > > >applicant.
> > > >
> > > >The subpoena states in bold caps "We request that you do not
> > > >disclose the existence of this subpoena, because such a
> > > >disclosure may make it more difficult to conduct the investigation."
> > > >...
> > > >   Please provide any and all documents, papers, letters, computer
> > > >   disks, photographs, notes, objects, information, or other items
> > > >   in your possession or under your control, including electronically
> > > >   stored or computer records, which:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Name, mention, describe, discuss, involve or relate to James
> > > > Dalton Bell, a/k/a Jim Bell, or
> > >
> > >
> > > By the way, John, thanks for the "heads up." I purged my archives of
> > > Jim Bell e-mail sent directly to me, though I left on my system the
> > > e-mail he copied the list on.
> > >
> > >
> > > (Yes, I purged the back-ups, too. A good reason not to back up e-mail
> > > to CD-Rs.)
> > >
> > >
> > > --Tim May
> > 
> 

Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Looking for a word

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 02:52:29AM +, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
> to mean stolen from a record but still in it, ie integrity and availability
> are preserved but not confidentiality.
> 
> "Stolen" is too laced with implications of the stolen object not being there
> any more, "copied" does not imply the theft aspect enough, "pirated" is too
> silly.
> 
> 
> Any other suggestions? Thanks.
> 
> Peter Fairbrother


unsanctioned

taken without consent

illegal / unlawful / criminal

privacy violating data read

a "privacy destroying data record access"

illicit private data access


# More from dict illicit:

impermissible

illigitimate

lawless

nonlicit

wrong / wrongful

Re: Clue to So-Called Missing Jim Bell-AP Messages

[Razer]

On 1/6/20 7:47 PM, \0xDynamite wrote:
>> You'll notice whose prominently missing from this convo.
>>
>> Jim Bell.
>>
>> Know why?
>>
>> He didn't really want an answer.
>>
>> He wants a reason to be paranoid.
>>
>> Nutjob
> You shouldn't be so quick to judge, from afar, at that.  In times of
> confusion and disease, nothing can be certain without doing the work.
>
> Have you done the work?
>
> Marcos


I think John's posting of Tim's email pretty much resolved it. Anyone
who expects a US public (or private) server owner not to obey a US court
order's instructions is too stupid to be using a computer on the
internet. Tim wasn't stupid. He wasn't riseup and neither are the pglaf
people who operate this one as what appears to be, overall, a spam
catching machine. I wonder sometimes if the relevant people who analyze
spam email for a living use these archives for research data. It's not
much different than the tattered, abused, remnants of the former
almighty USNet newsgroups.

Rr

Rr

Re: Clue to So-Called Missing Jim Bell-AP Messages

[\0xDynamite]

> You'll notice whose prominently missing from this convo.
>
> Jim Bell.
>
> Know why?
>
> He didn't really want an answer.
>
> He wants a reason to be paranoid.
>
> Nutjob

You shouldn't be so quick to judge, from afar, at that.  In times of
confusion and disease, nothing can be certain without doing the work.

Have you done the work?

Marcos

Re: Clue to So-Called Missing Jim Bell-AP Messages

[Razer]

You'll notice whose prominently missing from this convo.

Jim Bell.

Know why?

He didn't really want an answer.

He wants a reason to be paranoid.

Nutjob

Rr

On 1/4/20 2:03 PM, John Young wrote:
> X-Sender: tc...@mail.got.net
> Message-Id: 
> In-Reply-To: <200101082217.raa29...@johnson.mail.mindspring.net>
> References: <200101082217.raa29...@johnson.mail.mindspring.net>
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:59:33 -0800
> To: John Young , cypherpu...@cyberpass.net
> From: Tim May 
> Subject: Re: Bell Case Subpoena
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
> At 5:09 PM -0500 1/8/01, John Young wrote:
> >Today at 4:30 PM two Treasury agents, Tom Jack and Matthew
> >Mc Whirr, served me a Subpoena to Testify Before Grand Jury,
> >in US District Court of Western Washington, Seattle, WA, on
> >January 25, 2001, 9:00 AM. Robb London, AUSA, is the
> >applicant.
> >
> >The subpoena states in bold caps "We request that you do not
> >disclose the existence of this subpoena, because such a
> >disclosure may make it more difficult to conduct the investigation."
> >...
> >   Please provide any and all documents, papers, letters, computer
> >   disks, photographs, notes, objects, information, or other items
> >   in your possession or under your control, including electronically
> >   stored or computer records, which:
> >
> > 1. Name, mention, describe, discuss, involve or relate to James
> > Dalton Bell, a/k/a Jim Bell, or
>
>
> By the way, John, thanks for the "heads up." I purged my archives of
> Jim Bell e-mail sent directly to me, though I left on my system the
> e-mail he copied the list on.
>
>
> (Yes, I purged the back-ups, too. A good reason not to back up e-mail
> to CD-Rs.)
>
>
> --Tim May



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Re: Looking for a word

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On 1/6/20 20:52, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
> to mean stolen from a record but still in it, ie integrity and
> availability are preserved but not confidentiality.
> 
> "Stolen" is too laced with implications of the stolen object not being
> there any more, "copied" does not imply the theft aspect enough,
> "pirated" is too silly.
> 
> 
> Any other suggestions? Thanks.

"Leaked" maybe?

-- 
Shawn K. Quinn 
http://www.rantroulette.com
http://www.skqrecordquest.com

Re: Looking for a word

[Razer]

On 1/6/20 6:52 PM, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
> to mean stolen from a record but still in it, ie integrity and
> availability are preserved but not confidentiality.
>
> "Stolen" is too laced with implications of the stolen object not being
> there any more, "copied" does not imply the theft aspect enough,
> "pirated" is too silly.
>
>
> Any other suggestions? Thanks.
>
> Peter Fairbrother


Cribbed.

Rr




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Soleimani, another perspective -- was Re: Oddly silent

[Zigger da Bigga Trigga N.gga]

Soleimani - another perspective:

  Arch Terrorist or Ally? Three Times Soleimani Saved American Lives
  
https://sputniknews.com/world/202001061077960305-arch-terrorist-or-inadvertent-ally-three-times-soleimani-saved-american-lives/

...
Soleimani is 2015 fighting along American soldiers in Iraq to
kill ISIS fighters.. now killed by Trump on all sorts of
fabrications. Our foreign policy is psychotic
https://pic.twitter.com/iTHppkwhdU

...
In late 2001, after a group of 19 Saudi, Emirati, Lebanese and
Egyptian hijackers slammed commercial airliners into the World
Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing nearly 3,000 Americans, US
officials quietly met with Iranian diplomats coordinated by
Soleimani in Geneva. Iran, a long-time enemy of al-Qaeda and its
leader, Osama bin Laden, agreed to provide the United States with
valuable intelligence on the terrorist group, including the
locations of suspected al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan.
Iran was also eager to assist the US in its campaign against the
Taliban, since the radical fundamentalist movement was known for
its harsh treatment of Afghanistan’s Shia minority, and had
attacked and killed 11 Iranian diplomats at the consulate in
Mazar-i-Sharif in 1998.

In November 2001, Quds Force special forces and US Army Rangers
and Delta Force units entered the city of Herat, northwestern
Afghanistan, igniting an anti-terrorist insurrection led by
Northern Alliance. The unprecedented operation led to the
collapse of Taliban control of Herat, and soon the group was
toppled from power across the rest of Afghanistan. The Quds Force
was known to have provided material support to Ahmad Shah
Massoud, leader of the US-allied Northern Alliance, going back to
at least the mid-1990s. Iranian intelligence services continued
to provide the US with intelligence until January 2002, when US
President George W Bush added Iran to his ‘Axis of Evil’ list of
possible regime change targets during his State of the Union
address.

...
How did Soleimani’s efforts in the Syrian conflict save American
lives? For one thing, they helped to tie down tens of thousands
of radicals from Daesh (ISIS),* al-Qaeda, and a host of other
terrorist groups which could have otherwise scattered to Western
countries to conduct Paris or Brussels-style terror attacks.
Furthermore, they allowed the US to limit its anti-Daesh
operations in Syria to aerial support and limited on-the-ground
assistance to Kurdish militias, meaning fewer US service members’
lives put at risk.

...
Whether against the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, or
against Daesh and other terrorist groups in Syria and Iraq, Gen.
Soleimani and the Quds Force have consistently fought the same
Sunni Islamist Wahhabi fundamentalist forces which have targeted
US forces across the Middle East and around the world, and which
have vowed to destroy the West and America through acts of
terror.

By approving Soleimani’s assassination, President Trump has
not only dealt a blow to the forces fighting Daesh and
al-Qaeda, but put an irreversible end to the informal, often
begrudging, highly unlikely but hugely successful partnership
between Iran and the US in the fight against terrorism, and
that may put American lives at risk.

Looking for a word

[Peter Fairbrother]

to mean stolen from a record but still in it, ie integrity and 
availability are preserved but not confidentiality.


"Stolen" is too laced with implications of the stolen object not being 
there any more, "copied" does not imply the theft aspect enough, 
"pirated" is too silly.



Any other suggestions? Thanks.

Peter Fairbrother

Re: Clue to So-Called Missing Jim Bell-AP Messages

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 06:44:20PM -0600, \0xDynamite wrote:
> >  >The subpoena states in bold caps "We request that you do not
> >  >disclose the existence of this subpoena, because such a
> >  >disclosure may make it more difficult to conduct the investigation."
> >  >...
> >  >   Please provide any and all documents, papers, letters, computer
> >  >   disks, photographs, notes, objects, information, or other items
> >  >   in your possession or under your control, including electronically
> >  >   stored or computer records, which:
> >  >
> >  > 1. Name, mention, describe, discuss, involve or relate to James
> >  > Dalton Bell, a/k/a Jim Bell, or
> >
> >
> > By the way, John, thanks for the "heads up." I purged my archives of
> > Jim Bell e-mail sent directly to me, though I left on my system the
> > e-mail he copied the list on.
> 
> Doesn't this implicate you?  Are you trying to protect him?
> 
> > (Yes, I purged the back-ups, too. A good reason not to back up e-mail
> > to CD-Rs.)
> >
> > --Tim May
> 
> Hmm, your header says you're John Young
> 
> \0xD


You are aware that that email (as forwarded) is from nearly 20 years
ago?

Re: Clue to So-Called Missing Jim Bell-AP Messages

[\0xDynamite]

>  >The subpoena states in bold caps "We request that you do not
>  >disclose the existence of this subpoena, because such a
>  >disclosure may make it more difficult to conduct the investigation."
>  >...
>  >   Please provide any and all documents, papers, letters, computer
>  >   disks, photographs, notes, objects, information, or other items
>  >   in your possession or under your control, including electronically
>  >   stored or computer records, which:
>  >
>  > 1. Name, mention, describe, discuss, involve or relate to James
>  > Dalton Bell, a/k/a Jim Bell, or
>
>
> By the way, John, thanks for the "heads up." I purged my archives of
> Jim Bell e-mail sent directly to me, though I left on my system the
> e-mail he copied the list on.

Doesn't this implicate you?  Are you trying to protect him?

> (Yes, I purged the back-ups, too. A good reason not to back up e-mail
> to CD-Rs.)
>
> --Tim May

Hmm, your header says you're John Young

\0xD

Re: [gilma...@gmail.com: WHO admits polio outbreak in the Philippines caused by polio vaccines…outbreak “caused by vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2”]

[\0xDynamite]

> Subject: WHO admits polio outbreak in the Philippines caused by polio
> vaccines…outbreak “caused by vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2”

Finally, people are getting it:  medicines are just another type of
control.  Because if you don't know how they work or what your real
problem is, you are not in control.  And if you're not in control,
something else is in control.

If you really want to understand what polio is, ask.

Mark Janssen, HD

Re: [gilma...@gmail.com: WHO admits polio outbreak in the Philippines caused by polio vaccines…outbreak “caused by vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2”]

[Zenaan Harkness]

Things people still believe going into 2020:


  INSANE BELIEF #6: ALL VACCINES ARE SAFE BECAUSE SOMEBODY
  ON THE NEWS SAID SO

  It’s amazing how many people still believe vaccines are safe, even
  when the federal government itself publishes vaccine damage
  statistics and details of the billions of dollars in payouts that
  have been made to the families of vaccine-damaged children. You can
  download the data yourself at VAERS.HHS.GOV.
  https://vaers.hhs.gov/

  Yes, vaccines kill children and adults, too. Vaccines use toxic
  ingredients, and they contain the genetically modified DNA of
  aborted humans who were altered to activate cancer genes.
  
https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-10-04-medical-horror-genetic-sequencing-vaccines-mrc-5-cancer-genes-modified.html

  Yes, the CDC openly admits vaccines contain neurotoxic substances
  such as formaldehyde, mercury, squalene and aluminum. There is no
  debate that vaccines carry risk of harm and manage to harm a great
  number of children each year, yet many American adults who consider
  themselves to be “informed” have no clue of this reality.

  That’s because anyone who talks about vaccine safety is immediately
  de-platformed from all the major tech platforms. And that’s
  happening because the vaccine deep state is run by the same CIA
  that runs the tech giants, and they’re using vaccines as a
  depopulation bioweapon against humanity, right now at this very
  moment.
  http://depopulation.news/
  If you’re curious to see the overwhelming evidence that
  proves this assertion, check out this article and video.
  
https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-12-30-depopulation-vectors-accelerating-now-as-globalists-target-humanity-for-extermination.html

  ...



Moar insane beliefs going into 2020:

  Ten Insane, Completely Irrational Things Millions
  Of Americans Believe As We Enter The 2020s
  
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ten-insane-completely-irrational-things-millions-americans-believe-we-enter-2020s
  
https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-12-31-ten-insane-completely-irrational-things-millions-of-americans-believe-2020.html



On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 01:11:33PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> - Forwarded message from Gil May  -
> 
> From: Gil May 
> To: rea...@gmail.com
> Bcc: z...@freedbms.net
> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 06:58:37 +1000
> Subject: WHO admits polio outbreak in the Philippines caused by polio 
> vaccines…outbreak “caused by vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2”
> 
> WHO admits polio outbreak in the Philippines caused by polio vaccines…
> outbreak “caused by vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2”
> 
> Wednesday, October 09, 2019 by: Mike Adams
> 
> The polio vaccine has caused an escalating outbreak of polio in the
> Philippines, according to the World Health Organization and UNICEF, which
> issued a joint statement admitting the vaccine is causing polio.
> 
> “WHO and UNICEF said in a joint statement the polio outbreak in the
> Philippines is concerning because it is caused by vaccine-derived
> poliovirus type 2,” writes the Associated Press
> . “The weakened virus
> used in vaccines replicates for a short time in children’s intestines and
> is excreted in their feces.”
> 
> Polio vaccines are often cited as a success story proving that vaccines
> work to eliminate infectious disease. In truth, *nearly all the cases of
> polio in the modern world are caused by polio vaccines* themselves.
> 
> Stated plainly, more cases of polio are caused by polio vaccines than from
> wild polio.
> 
> *Polio vaccines are creating “super polio” strains that threaten humanity*
> 
> Oral polio vaccines are actually “spawning virulent strains” of
> polioviruses, reports Children’s Health Defense
> 
> :
> 
> *The alarming surge in vaccine-derived polio cases presents vaccine
> planners with a “quandary” or “conundrum”—because “The very tool you are
> using for [polio] eradication is causing the problem.” …Vaccine researchers
> have long known that these OPV-derived viruses can themselves cause polio,
> particularly when they get “loose in the environment.”*
> 
> The Associated Press story admits that it has been over 25 years since
> polio in the Philippines was contracted from a “wild strain.” Since 1993, *all
> the cases of polio in the Philippines have been caused by polio vaccines*.
> Via AP:
> * [T]he last known case from a wild strain of the virus in the Philippines
> was in 1993…*
> 
> *Associated Press admits vaccines kill children*
> 
> The AP also admits that vaccines kill children:
> 
> *The government’s immunization programs were marred in 2017 by a dengue
> fever vaccine made by French drugmaker Sanofi Pasteur which some Philippine
> officials linked to the deaths of at least three children. Duque and other
> Philippine health 

Re: Clue to So-Called Missing Jim Bell-AP Messages

[Zenaan Harkness]

If I can not so discretely give a little ACK to you, John and others,
for the demonstrations, old and new, of dignity in the face of
considerable balances of confronting considerations - not always an
easy task.

To give a little love, to demonstrate a little vulnerability, in the
face of stubborn and angry systems of authority and "authority", is
generous at the same time as it is caring.

On behalf of all, kudos, and thank you!



On Sat, Jan 04, 2020 at 05:03:39PM -0500, John Young wrote:
> X-Sender: tc...@mail.got.net
> Message-Id: 
> In-Reply-To: <200101082217.raa29...@johnson.mail.mindspring.net>
> References: <200101082217.raa29...@johnson.mail.mindspring.net>
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:59:33 -0800
> To: John Young , cypherpu...@cyberpass.net
> From: Tim May 
> Subject: Re: Bell Case Subpoena
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
> 
> At 5:09 PM -0500 1/8/01, John Young wrote:
> >Today at 4:30 PM two Treasury agents, Tom Jack and Matthew
> >Mc Whirr, served me a Subpoena to Testify Before Grand Jury,
> >in US District Court of Western Washington, Seattle, WA, on
> >January 25, 2001, 9:00 AM. Robb London, AUSA, is the
> >applicant.
> >
> >The subpoena states in bold caps "We request that you do not
> >disclose the existence of this subpoena, because such a
> >disclosure may make it more difficult to conduct the investigation."
> >...
> >   Please provide any and all documents, papers, letters, computer
> >   disks, photographs, notes, objects, information, or other items
> >   in your possession or under your control, including electronically
> >   stored or computer records, which:
> >
> > 1. Name, mention, describe, discuss, involve or relate to James
> > Dalton Bell, a/k/a Jim Bell, or
> 
> 
> By the way, John, thanks for the "heads up." I purged my archives of
> Jim Bell e-mail sent directly to me, though I left on my system the
> e-mail he copied the list on.
> 
> 
> (Yes, I purged the back-ups, too. A good reason not to back up e-mail
> to CD-Rs.)
> 
> 
> --Tim May
> -- 
> Timothy C. May tc...@got.netCorralitos, California
> Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon
> Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go
> Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns
> 
> 

Re: Assange persecuted by Judge Arbuthnot with her p rima facie conflict of interest, refuses to recuse herself - - Re: Galloway has campaigned tirelessly for Assange’s freedom - [PEACE]

[John Young]

First I've heard of the armed agents in the courtroom. However, some 
of the Assange fans have made threatening statements, and I haven't 
heard of Assange asking to not do that. In that sense, he reminds of 
45's firing up his base but not asking for calm. Instigators do do 
that so they cannot be charged with incitement. Govs and TLAs most 
guilty of it but so too the ego-driven - call them narcissistic cowards.


To be sure, Assange is not nearly as mean-spirited as his associates 
who have latched onto him as an escape from insignificance.


Looking forward to a full-bore Assange international trial of 
spectacular entertainment.


Lively alternative: https://ddosecrets.com/






At 03:30 PM 1/6/2020, you wrote:
I wonder if the judge refusing to recuse herself has anything to do 
with the two agents, allegedly carrying automatic weapons illegally 
in the courtroom, addressing her while closely standing before her bench.

Re: Assange persecuted by Judge Arbuthnot with her prima facie conflict of interest, refuses to recuse herself -- Re: Galloway …has campaigned tirelessly for Assange’s freedom - [PEACE]

[Steven Schear]

I wonder if the judge refusing to recuse herself has anything to do with
the two agents, allegedly carrying automatic weapons illegally in the
courtroom, addressing her while closely standing before her bench.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:20 PM Zenaan Harkness  wrote:

> An open request to the Queen of England and Great Britain:
>
>   If you, our Queen of England and Great Britain and its dominions,
>   have any power left within your authority as Queen, please do
>   exercise such power as is required to right this great injustice
>   summarized below, this blight of such clear and self evident
>   conflicts of interest and of injustice under the auspices of your
>   authority, exercised against Julian Assange.
>
>   Humbly,
>   Those who seek the upholding of justice and righteousness in this,
>   our shared world
>
>
> … This statement by [Judge Emma Arbuthnot] captures the
> Alice-in-Wonderland quality of the judicial persecution of Assange.
> She dismisses as unreasonable Assange’s fears that if he voluntarily
> left the Ecuadorian Embassy he would be arrested by British police
> and extradited to the United States because he did not appear in
> court to express them. And yet, [Judge Emma Arbuthnot] is now
> presiding over [Julian Assange's] extradition trial. …
>
>
>
> The Coming Show Trial Of Julian Assange
> https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-22/coming-show-trial-julian-assange
>
>   Authored by Chris Hedges via Truthdig,
>
> https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-coming-show-trial-of-julian-assange/
>
>   ...
>   The judge, Emma Arbuthnot, cut him off, saying “this is not the
>   time to go into this.”
>
>   Commenting in 2018 when Assange’s lawyers requested that the
>   warrant for his arrest be dropped, Arbuthnot said, “I accept that
>   Mr. Assange had expressed fears of being returned to the United
>   States from a very early stage in the Swedish extradition
>   proceedings but, absent any evidence from Mr. Assange on oath, I do
>   not find that Mr. Assange’s fears were reasonable,”
>
>   This statement by the judge captures the Alice-in-Wonderland
>   quality of the judicial persecution of Assange. She dismisses as
>   unreasonable Assange’s fears that if he voluntarily left the
>   Ecuadorian Embassy he would be arrested by British police and
>   extradited to the United States because he did not appear in court
>   to express them. And yet, she is now presiding over his extradition
>   trial.
>
>   This circular logic is not the only disturbing aspect of Judge
>   Arbuthnot’s overseeing of the Assange case. She is married to James
>   Arbuthnot, who sits in the House of Lords, is a British
>   Conservative Party politician, was the minister of state at the
>   Ministry of Defense and for nine years was the chairman of the
>   Defense Select Committee in the House of Commons, a committee that
>   oversees the operation of the Ministry of Defense and the armed
>   forces. Arbuthnot, who was reprimanded while a member of Parliament
>   for diverting public funds to maintain his two homes, is a director
>   at SC Strategy, established by John Scarlett, the former head of
>   the British foreign intelligence service MI6. The politician also
>   is on the advisory board of Thales UK, a huge arms manufacturer
>   whose corrupt business practices, which included massive bribes to
>   heads of state in exchange for arms contracts, were exposed when
>   some of its internal documents were published by WikiLeaks.
>
>   The judge “has a strong conflict of interest,” Melzer said from
>   Vienna when I interviewed him by video link for my television show,
>   “On Contact.” “Her husband had been exposed by WikiLeaks.”
>
>   Assange’s lawyers have asked the judge to recuse herself. She has
>   refused.
>   ...
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 04:54:58PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> >   Extradition order to send Assange to US poses existential threat
> >   to all truth seekers – Galloway
> >   https://www.rt.com/news/461759-assange-galloway-extradition-uk-us/
> >
> > Julian Assange’s extradition to the US would be a deathblow for
> > all truth seekers, George Galloway told RT, warning that anyone
> > who fails to support Assange will one day share the same fate as
> > the persecuted Wikileaks co-founder.
> >
> > Britain’s Home Secretary Sajid Javid revealed on Thursday that
> > he had signed a request for the extradition of Assange to the
> > US, where he is accused of violating the Espionage Act. The
> > order will go before the UK courts on Friday.
> >
> > Galloway, a former MP who has campaigned tirelessly for
> > Assange’s freedom, quipped that the “dark” episode shows that
> > Theresa May’s “zombie” government was “not content with all the
> > other disasters for which it’s responsible.”
> >
> > He insisted that Assange’s supporters would “never give up” the
> > fight to stop his extradition to the US and secure his safe
> > release 

Cypherpunks Duh

[John Young]

We saved a series of list subscribers (via "cypherpunks who" commands 
to servers), but are reluctant to publish to avoid shitting on the unwary.


These lists are different from those named in messages.

Mentioned here because there are likely others who grabbed these 
readily available lists for illicit use, that is like the whole 
villainous Internet where anything "free, moderated and unmoderated' 
are most certainly up to no good.


Bruce Schneier: "Spying is the business model of the Internet." Duh.

Re: Missing video from Jeffrey Epstein's first suicide.

[Greg Newby]

On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 06:56:42PM +0100, Tom Busby wrote:
> can i confirm that this is the Venona archive merged with the 2000-2016
> archive from this post:
> 
> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-July/042515.html

Yes, exactly. There are some notes about sources, linked in via the listinfo 
page.

> i.e. that we don't have a new, overlapping archive of the 90s period? I'm
> assuming venona is still the only game in town for the 90s period.

Correct. The venona .zip contents I used are dated 2003. Cryptome has a copy 
dated 2010 that is only different by a few bytes.

We have not heard of other archives covering 1992-1998. All the other online 
archives seem to trace back to the same source.

Something that is unfortunate about this is that, at the time, there were a 
bunch of different remailers (the number varied over time, but seems to have 
typically been around a half-dozen). Each CDR's archive would have been 
different: different spam, different headers and slight variations in time 
stamps. 

It seems that none of the other CDR archives are available, at least publicly. 
Only the venona one. This is part of why Jim has been reaching out to some of 
those CDR operators, and also long-time list subscribers. Any other archive 
would be expected to have material differences, at least with headers & spam.

BTW, I joined the list in 2001, at the tail of the period above (and was on a 
couple of different CDRs over time). In the quest for archives from the 1990s I 
am an interested party, but not a source of any original materials.

 - Greg


> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 18:54, Tom Busby  wrote:
> 
> > oh fantastic, thank you very much. looks great.
> >
> > On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 04:00, Greg Newby  wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Tom,
> >>
> >> You might be interested to see that I recently merged the archives. (I am
> >> the current list operator.) You can find it browsable and a few other
> >> formats. This spans September 1992-July 2013 in the cypherpunks-legacy
> >> collection.
> >>
> >> The current (ongoing) list is in the main cypherpunks collection, from
> >> 2013-present. They are both here:
> >>
> >>   https://lists.cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo
> >>
> >> Announcement/description:
> >>
> >> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-December/078230.html
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>   Greg
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 04, 2020 at 09:41:57PM +0100, Tom Busby wrote:
> >> > I'm just a guy with a website. Believe me, it saddens me that so much is
> >> > lost, that's why I originally started trying to piece it all together,
> >> but
> >> > my leads ran cold, and if you go look at the commit logs for crypto
> >> > anarchy.wiki you'll see how little time I've had to work on it lately.
> >> >
> >> > In terms of whether this is deliberate forgery or just lost data, I
> >> have no
> >> > way of finding out because I don't have other copies of the archive to
> >> > compare with. That's the only way to do it. And even then I can only
> >> detect
> >> > tampering, not innocent loss of data. I was under ten years old during
> >> this
> >> > period so I'm flying blind in terms of what it should look like.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not a player in this drama, I'm just a guy who is mirroring what's
> >> > available so that isn't lost too.
> >> >
> >> > I simply don't have the time to help you at the moment. I have too many
> >> > other commitments. I haven't even found time to merge the 1999-onwards
> >> > archive.
> >> >
> >> > If you find a lead on any of it, let me know. As far as I can tell, Ryan
> >> > Lackey is the only one who can help you. This archive originates on
> >> Venona.
> >> > That I'm pretty sure about. If he won't respond to you, I don't know
> >> what
> >> > can be done. I really hope someone else finds an archive of this era,
> >> > because it's the most important era for sure.
> >> >
> >> > But other than that, please bear in mind that I'm on your side. We both
> >> > have the same goal: a complete, accurate archive. I've done what I can
> >> so
> >> > far. I won't have time to work on this actively in the near future.
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, 3 Jan 2020, 20:27 jim bell,  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Friday, January 3, 2020, 02:16:28 AM PST, Tom Busby
> >> 
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >>And John Gilmore, Ryan Lackey, Tom Busby, and Declan McCullagh don't
> >> > > seem to care
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >It's not that I don't care, I just don't know what I can do about it.
> >> > > This appears to be the only copy of the archive available.
> >> > >
> >> > > >If anyone else has a more complete archive, send it to me and I'll
> >> merge
> >> > > it.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > You are thinking solely in terms of correcting the archive.   That's a
> >> > > limited view.  I'm thinking of finding out who is responsible for the
> >> > > well-planned omissions in the archive.  From where was the data
> >> obtained?
> >> > > When was the faking of the data done?   Who did it?  Why?
> >> > > Who had control 

Re: Missing video from Jeffrey Epstein's first suicide.

[Tom Busby]

can i confirm that this is the Venona archive merged with the 2000-2016
archive from this post:

https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-July/042515.html

i.e. that we don't have a new, overlapping archive of the 90s period? I'm
assuming venona is still the only game in town for the 90s period.

On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 18:54, Tom Busby  wrote:

> oh fantastic, thank you very much. looks great.
>
> On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 04:00, Greg Newby  wrote:
>
>> Dear Tom,
>>
>> You might be interested to see that I recently merged the archives. (I am
>> the current list operator.) You can find it browsable and a few other
>> formats. This spans September 1992-July 2013 in the cypherpunks-legacy
>> collection.
>>
>> The current (ongoing) list is in the main cypherpunks collection, from
>> 2013-present. They are both here:
>>
>>   https://lists.cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo
>>
>> Announcement/description:
>>
>> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-December/078230.html
>>
>> Best,
>>   Greg
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 04, 2020 at 09:41:57PM +0100, Tom Busby wrote:
>> > I'm just a guy with a website. Believe me, it saddens me that so much is
>> > lost, that's why I originally started trying to piece it all together,
>> but
>> > my leads ran cold, and if you go look at the commit logs for crypto
>> > anarchy.wiki you'll see how little time I've had to work on it lately.
>> >
>> > In terms of whether this is deliberate forgery or just lost data, I
>> have no
>> > way of finding out because I don't have other copies of the archive to
>> > compare with. That's the only way to do it. And even then I can only
>> detect
>> > tampering, not innocent loss of data. I was under ten years old during
>> this
>> > period so I'm flying blind in terms of what it should look like.
>> >
>> > I'm not a player in this drama, I'm just a guy who is mirroring what's
>> > available so that isn't lost too.
>> >
>> > I simply don't have the time to help you at the moment. I have too many
>> > other commitments. I haven't even found time to merge the 1999-onwards
>> > archive.
>> >
>> > If you find a lead on any of it, let me know. As far as I can tell, Ryan
>> > Lackey is the only one who can help you. This archive originates on
>> Venona.
>> > That I'm pretty sure about. If he won't respond to you, I don't know
>> what
>> > can be done. I really hope someone else finds an archive of this era,
>> > because it's the most important era for sure.
>> >
>> > But other than that, please bear in mind that I'm on your side. We both
>> > have the same goal: a complete, accurate archive. I've done what I can
>> so
>> > far. I won't have time to work on this actively in the near future.
>> >
>> > On Fri, 3 Jan 2020, 20:27 jim bell,  wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Friday, January 3, 2020, 02:16:28 AM PST, Tom Busby
>> 
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >>And John Gilmore, Ryan Lackey, Tom Busby, and Declan McCullagh don't
>> > > seem to care
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >It's not that I don't care, I just don't know what I can do about it.
>> > > This appears to be the only copy of the archive available.
>> > >
>> > > >If anyone else has a more complete archive, send it to me and I'll
>> merge
>> > > it.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > You are thinking solely in terms of correcting the archive.   That's a
>> > > limited view.  I'm thinking of finding out who is responsible for the
>> > > well-planned omissions in the archive.  From where was the data
>> obtained?
>> > > When was the faking of the data done?   Who did it?  Why?
>> > > Who had control of the Cypherpunks list during the 1995-2003 time
>> frame?
>> > > Was the data stored elsewhere, such as the Wayback Machine?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >   Jim Bell
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 08:25, jim bell  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Jeffrey Epstein: Surveillance Video From First Suicide Attempt
>> Missinghttps://
>> www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jeffrey-epstein-surveillance-video-first-184510141.html
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Jim Bell's comment:
>> > >
>> > > Missing, just like a few thousand postings to me, from me, about me,
>> and
>> > > any mentioning Assassination Politics in the 1995 Cypherpunks archive.
>> > >
>> > > And John Gilmore, Ryan Lackey, Tom Busby, and Declan McCullagh don't
>> seem
>> > > to care.  Neither does Brian Merchant nor Will Stephenson.
>> > >
>> > > Concealing the past by erasing the evidence is an old story.
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>

Re: Missing video from Jeffrey Epstein's first suicide.

[Tom Busby]

oh fantastic, thank you very much. looks great.

On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 at 04:00, Greg Newby  wrote:

> Dear Tom,
>
> You might be interested to see that I recently merged the archives. (I am
> the current list operator.) You can find it browsable and a few other
> formats. This spans September 1992-July 2013 in the cypherpunks-legacy
> collection.
>
> The current (ongoing) list is in the main cypherpunks collection, from
> 2013-present. They are both here:
>
>   https://lists.cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo
>
> Announcement/description:
>   https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-December/078230.html
>
> Best,
>   Greg
>
> On Sat, Jan 04, 2020 at 09:41:57PM +0100, Tom Busby wrote:
> > I'm just a guy with a website. Believe me, it saddens me that so much is
> > lost, that's why I originally started trying to piece it all together,
> but
> > my leads ran cold, and if you go look at the commit logs for crypto
> > anarchy.wiki you'll see how little time I've had to work on it lately.
> >
> > In terms of whether this is deliberate forgery or just lost data, I have
> no
> > way of finding out because I don't have other copies of the archive to
> > compare with. That's the only way to do it. And even then I can only
> detect
> > tampering, not innocent loss of data. I was under ten years old during
> this
> > period so I'm flying blind in terms of what it should look like.
> >
> > I'm not a player in this drama, I'm just a guy who is mirroring what's
> > available so that isn't lost too.
> >
> > I simply don't have the time to help you at the moment. I have too many
> > other commitments. I haven't even found time to merge the 1999-onwards
> > archive.
> >
> > If you find a lead on any of it, let me know. As far as I can tell, Ryan
> > Lackey is the only one who can help you. This archive originates on
> Venona.
> > That I'm pretty sure about. If he won't respond to you, I don't know what
> > can be done. I really hope someone else finds an archive of this era,
> > because it's the most important era for sure.
> >
> > But other than that, please bear in mind that I'm on your side. We both
> > have the same goal: a complete, accurate archive. I've done what I can so
> > far. I won't have time to work on this actively in the near future.
> >
> > On Fri, 3 Jan 2020, 20:27 jim bell,  wrote:
> >
> > > On Friday, January 3, 2020, 02:16:28 AM PST, Tom Busby  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >>And John Gilmore, Ryan Lackey, Tom Busby, and Declan McCullagh don't
> > > seem to care
> > >
> > >
> > > >It's not that I don't care, I just don't know what I can do about it.
> > > This appears to be the only copy of the archive available.
> > >
> > > >If anyone else has a more complete archive, send it to me and I'll
> merge
> > > it.
> > >
> > >
> > > You are thinking solely in terms of correcting the archive.   That's a
> > > limited view.  I'm thinking of finding out who is responsible for the
> > > well-planned omissions in the archive.  From where was the data
> obtained?
> > > When was the faking of the data done?   Who did it?  Why?
> > > Who had control of the Cypherpunks list during the 1995-2003 time
> frame?
> > > Was the data stored elsewhere, such as the Wayback Machine?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   Jim Bell
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 at 08:25, jim bell  wrote:
> > >
> > > Jeffrey Epstein: Surveillance Video From First Suicide Attempt
> Missinghttps://
> www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jeffrey-epstein-surveillance-video-first-184510141.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim Bell's comment:
> > >
> > > Missing, just like a few thousand postings to me, from me, about me,
> and
> > > any mentioning Assassination Politics in the 1995 Cypherpunks archive.
> > >
> > > And John Gilmore, Ryan Lackey, Tom Busby, and Declan McCullagh don't
> seem
> > > to care.  Neither does Brian Merchant nor Will Stephenson.
> > >
> > > Concealing the past by erasing the evidence is an old story.
> > >
> > >
>

Re: Assange persecuted by Judge Arbuthnot with her prima facie conflict of interest, refuses to recuse herself -- Re: Galloway …has campaigned tirelessly for Assange’s freedom - [PEACE]

[Zenaan Harkness]

Assange in limbo still.

To cheer us up, George Galloway in reasonably audible, and even
subtitled, English :)

  George Galloway _ Another 5 years of majority Tory govt led by BoJo
  not going to be nice to look at
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EorWLykgxo
  ~1:27

"The Russians are coming!"
...



On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 11:19:25PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> An open request to the Queen of England and Great Britain:
> 
>   If you, our Queen of England and Great Britain and its dominions,
>   have any power left within your authority as Queen, please do
>   exercise such power as is required to right this great injustice
>   summarized below, this blight of such clear and self evident
>   conflicts of interest and of injustice under the auspices of your
>   authority, exercised against Julian Assange.
> 
>   Humbly,
>   Those who seek the upholding of justice and righteousness in this,
>   our shared world
> 
> 
> … This statement by [Judge Emma Arbuthnot] captures the
> Alice-in-Wonderland quality of the judicial persecution of Assange.
> She dismisses as unreasonable Assange’s fears that if he voluntarily
> left the Ecuadorian Embassy he would be arrested by British police
> and extradited to the United States because he did not appear in
> court to express them. And yet, [Judge Emma Arbuthnot] is now
> presiding over [Julian Assange's] extradition trial. …
> 
> 
> 
> The Coming Show Trial Of Julian Assange
> https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-22/coming-show-trial-julian-assange
> 
>   Authored by Chris Hedges via Truthdig,
>   https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-coming-show-trial-of-julian-assange/
> 
>   ...
>   The judge, Emma Arbuthnot, cut him off, saying “this is not the
>   time to go into this.”
> 
>   Commenting in 2018 when Assange’s lawyers requested that the
>   warrant for his arrest be dropped, Arbuthnot said, “I accept that
>   Mr. Assange had expressed fears of being returned to the United
>   States from a very early stage in the Swedish extradition
>   proceedings but, absent any evidence from Mr. Assange on oath, I do
>   not find that Mr. Assange’s fears were reasonable,”
> 
>   This statement by the judge captures the Alice-in-Wonderland
>   quality of the judicial persecution of Assange. She dismisses as
>   unreasonable Assange’s fears that if he voluntarily left the
>   Ecuadorian Embassy he would be arrested by British police and
>   extradited to the United States because he did not appear in court
>   to express them. And yet, she is now presiding over his extradition
>   trial.
> 
>   This circular logic is not the only disturbing aspect of Judge
>   Arbuthnot’s overseeing of the Assange case. She is married to James
>   Arbuthnot, who sits in the House of Lords, is a British
>   Conservative Party politician, was the minister of state at the
>   Ministry of Defense and for nine years was the chairman of the
>   Defense Select Committee in the House of Commons, a committee that
>   oversees the operation of the Ministry of Defense and the armed
>   forces. Arbuthnot, who was reprimanded while a member of Parliament
>   for diverting public funds to maintain his two homes, is a director
>   at SC Strategy, established by John Scarlett, the former head of
>   the British foreign intelligence service MI6. The politician also
>   is on the advisory board of Thales UK, a huge arms manufacturer
>   whose corrupt business practices, which included massive bribes to
>   heads of state in exchange for arms contracts, were exposed when
>   some of its internal documents were published by WikiLeaks.
> 
>   The judge “has a strong conflict of interest,” Melzer said from
>   Vienna when I interviewed him by video link for my television show,
>   “On Contact.” “Her husband had been exposed by WikiLeaks.”
> 
>   Assange’s lawyers have asked the judge to recuse herself. She has
>   refused.
>   ...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 04:54:58PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> >   Extradition order to send Assange to US poses existential threat
> >   to all truth seekers – Galloway
> >   https://www.rt.com/news/461759-assange-galloway-extradition-uk-us/
> > 
> > Julian Assange’s extradition to the US would be a deathblow for
> > all truth seekers, George Galloway told RT, warning that anyone
> > who fails to support Assange will one day share the same fate as
> > the persecuted Wikileaks co-founder.
> > 
> > Britain’s Home Secretary Sajid Javid revealed on Thursday that
> > he had signed a request for the extradition of Assange to the
> > US, where he is accused of violating the Espionage Act. The
> > order will go before the UK courts on Friday.
> > 
> > Galloway, a former MP who has campaigned tirelessly for
> > Assange’s freedom, quipped that the “dark” episode shows that
> > Theresa May’s “zombie” government was “not content with all the
> > other disasters for which it’s responsible.”
> > 
> > He insisted that 

Re: Cryptographic Autonomy License

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 04:29:00AM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
> https://github.com/holochain/cryptographic-autonomy-license
> 
> OSI / Perens in some sort of fight over this license.
> 
> 
> Internet commented:
> 
> "
> Do not give anyone a license AT ALL. Simply release a document,
> stating that you will not prosecute anyone who uses your software
> in any way, unless they themselves ever try to enforce imaginary
> property schemes onto the world. And you *expect* people to openly
> break the "law" by copying your software without a license.
> 
> So it is not a license, but merely a public statement, with no legal
> normativity.
> 
> Then, nobody who backs imaginary property, can ever use your software.
> 
> And if they try anyway, you of course sue them, using their own
> weapons against them. And the only legal way out you offer them,
> is a contract where they give up all their imaginary property shemes
> for all eternity, and all their works go to the public domain
> forever. Retroactively too.
> 
> They can of course refuse to settle, and go to court. You'll be
> using Content Mafia math(TM), to calculate the damages they owe
> you. Bwahahahahaa!
> 
> (Payable in transferral of all their imaginary property to you,
> too, of course. rofl)
> "


Interesting food for thought.

A little too simplistic - such statements would need to "permit" not
only copying of software, but use of software, modification of the
software, and the issue of on-sharing/ on-copying.

Also, the issue of "selling" copies comes up too - if your "grant"
statement allows/ prohibits the next guy from charging anything for
additional copying - if so/if not, what about charging for
modifications/ enhancements, etc, etc.

Is this a solution seeking a problem that is already solved with
copyleft/ libre licenses?

I.e. what is the asserted "problem" with a license?
One can assume "inference of acknowledgement and therefore power/
influence given to those authorities which create the laws and legal
systems/ precedents, of "licenses".

But is "license" an inherently bad concept?

If we ditch all statute law, what sort of party party contracts would
the libertarians living in this new libertarian utopia, create?

Could such give rise to rigidity worse than today's status quo?

Possibly.

Although less likely now that we have a few decades of Stallmanism
under our belts.

The majority of programmers, and now even "businesses", understand
that there are notable benefits to a pool of libre code/ tech/
designs.

More food for more thoughts...

HindsightFiles: Cambridge Analytica Doc Dump

[grarpamp]

https://twitter.com/hindsightfiles
https://repo.hindsightfiles.com/01012020/brazil.zip
https://repo.hindsightfiles.com/01012020/kenya.zip
https://repo.hindsightfiles.com/01012020/malaysia.zip
https://repo.hindsightfiles.com/01042020/bolton.zip
https://repo.hindsightfiles.com/01042020/iran.zip
https://repo.hindsightfiles.com/01012020/brazil_md5.txt
https://repo.hindsightfiles.com/01012020/kenya_md5.txt
https://repo.hindsightfiles.com/01012020/malaysia_md5.txt
https://repo.hindsightfiles.com/01042020/bolton_md5.txt
https://repo.hindsightfiles.com/01042020/iran_md5.txt

Get it while it's hot.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/04/cambridge-analytica-data-leak-global-election-manipulation
https://twitter.com/OwnYourDataNow

The Great Hack
infohash:A06228926D63B01B3BDFD7A65CB982C7C89771F3
Stars: Carole Cadwalladr, David Carroll, Brittany Kaiser, Julian
Wheatland, Mark Zuckerberg
Plot: Data—arguably the world’s most valuable asset—is being
weaponized to wage cultural and political wars. The dark world of data
exploitation is uncovered through the unpredictable, personal journeys
of players on different sides of the explosive Cambridgedata story.

Targeted
infohash:7670876224B478CC4D0F71F2844769C3ECFD5E42
In this explosive memoir, a political consultant and technology
whistleblower reveals the disturbing truth about the
multi-billion-dollar data industry, revealing to the public how
companies are getting richer using our personal information and
exposing how Cambridge Analytica exploited weaknesses in privacy laws
to help elect candidates - and how this could easily happen again in
the 2020 presidential election.

Ladar Levison on LavaBit, OpSec, Privacy

[grarpamp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM8fAnEqs1Q freethink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVMCfQB_lU eu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xht1tIq5xPY if

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrzIjxO8MOs dc26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Wx5mGoISA dc24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_lN-RAfzRQ seckc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWzvXaxR6us dc22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo9-0So2A_g n59

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P0huw4J1fI hushmail baltzey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bicz1PIEaQ4 bds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CJ8nsetots bdi

Libertarians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxP9b5WSpZI wal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLqjxv_uhC0 wilson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwEWxBZexAg galt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhiTL4W5VMg reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spW0q-g2BxU reason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5WzDjYL1nk lpac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=somIHlk1RLk rp

https://darkmail.info/
https://github.com/lavabit/
https://lavabit.com/

Re: Oddly silent

[Ziga da Biga Triga N.ga]

Oh shit!  Iranians not quite as blind as we assumed!:

  Iran Will Destroy ‘Key Israeli Targets’ if US Attacks,
  Former Revolutionary Guards Chief Warns
  
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202001061077955736-iran-soleimani-killing-israel-targets/

...
  These Media Posts will serve as notification to the United
  States Congress that should Iran strike any U.S. person or
  target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, &
  perhaps in a disproportionate manner. Such legal notice is
  not required, but is given nevertheless!
  — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 5, 2020

...
  “In response to Trump, who had said that Washington will
  attack Iran if it takes revenge, Rezaei said "be sure that in
  such a case we will completely level [Israel's port city of]
  Haifa and key Israeli targets”, on Sunday.

  He made his remarks during a ceremony in Tehran on Sunday which
  saw mourners commemorate the assassination of Qasem Soleimani,
  head of the IRGC’s elite Quds Force, who died in a US airstrike
  in Baghdad on 3 January.

...


Shirt's gettin' real, muh dudes!

Really, given that the Israeli's are apparently so lame they need
direct endorsements from God, perhaps they should work on improving
their marketing department or something?

I dunno, may be work out how to cohabitate across the Middle East
rather than ongoing tit for tat assassinations?

Just a thought...





On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 02:29:12PM +1100, Zigger da Bigga Trigga N.gga wrote:
> Here's another of those "Look how close they put their country to our
> military bases - how DARE they!" maps.
> 
> AKA, the real reason Israel, sorry I mean the USA, is eternally
> trying to bring on major war against Iran and Syria:
> 
>   Iraq Votes To Expel US Troops As Iranian MPs
>   Chant "Death To America"
>   
> https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/iranian-mps-chant-death-america-iraq-votes-have-us-troops-removed-country
> 
> ...
> Meanwhile, as the Iraqi government voted, the Iranian parliament
> took to the Parliament podium to chant "death to America."
> 
>   [Article is short - worth reading.]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Zerohedge again shows their true neocon colours:
> 
>   Lindsey Graham Blasts "Loser" Kaepernick's "Racist, Un-American"
>   Comments
>   
> https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/colin-kaepernick-slams-trumps-racist-terrorist-attack-brown-people-iran-twitter-users
> 
> 
> 
> Just as well Iran does not realise the Israeli tail wagging the
> American dog - that would really be a bad thing for Israel if Iran
> acted in response to the true puppet string puller behind the scenes.
> 
> 
> Interesting times...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 04, 2020 at 10:11:19AM -0800, Razer wrote:
> > 
> > On 1/4/20 10:06 AM, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
> > > On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 19:27:45 -0800
> > > Razer  wrote:
> > >
> > >> I think it speaks volumes about how many of this list's posters work for
> > >> US intel agencies and contractors by the lack of any commenting on your
> > >> new war with Iran.
> > >   I personally don't want to hear more bad news. On the other hand, 
> > > shouldn't govt agents be praising kaptain amerika and his glorious 
> > > slaughter of infidels?
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > Not really. They're really REALLY busy figuring out when the next
> > "lockerbie" is going to happen.
> > 
> > 
> > "There is a historic example of how Iran reacts to such U.S. provocations.
> > 
> > The U.S. attack:
> > 
> >     Iran Air Flight 655 was a scheduled passenger flight from Tehran to
> > Dubai via Bandar Abbas, that was shot down on 3 July 1988 by an SM-2MR
> > surface-to-air missile fired from USS Vincennes, a guided missile
> > cruiser of the United States Navy. The aircraft, an Airbus A300, was
> > destroyed and all 290 people on board, including 66 children, were killed.
> > 
> > The Iranian retribution:
> > 
> >     Pan Am Flight 103 was a regularly scheduled Pan Am transatlantic
> > flight from Frankfurt to Detroit via London and New York. On 21 December
> > 1988, N739PA, the aircraft operating the transatlantic leg of the route
> > was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew in what
> > became known as the Lockerbie bombing.
> > 
> > The Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC) claimed to be
> > responsible for the bombing of the plane. It had used a Palestinian
> > cutout in Lebanon to plant the bomb. But for political reasons the
> > official investigation was manipulated and the blame for the Lockerbie
> > bombing was put on Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi who had absolutely
> > nothing to do with it.
> > 
> > The murder of the passengers and crew of Iran Air Flight 655 and the
> > retribution for it were five and a half month apart. This gives us a
> > hint of how long it might take for Iran to prepare the retribution for
> > the U.S. assassination of Major General Qassem Soleimani. There is also
> > the political calender that