Re: list of people censored on lists.debian.org

2020-03-16 Thread jamesd

On 2020-03-15 11:58, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

   So is it fair to assume then that you agree with all the resignations (RMS), 
knee-bending (Torvalds), and turmoil (openSUSE and many others)?

   It is of course your right to agree with such treatment of various founders, as we 
have witnessed a fair bit of in recent times. Good lessons for future founders (to 
enshrine their "broflake" power CoCs before the snowflakes have a chance to 
usurp power and damage the founders).

   Long term, I believe this is a functional parting of the ways between humans 
with different preferred ways of being in this world.

   The CoC for those of robust temperament, is a different CoC to those of 
snowflake temperament.


Empiricaly, we observe that projects with a CoC suffer bitrot, which 
bitrot is likely to prove fatal in the long run.


Need a CoC that is hostile to snowflakes, and outright bans social 
justice warriors in total.


Re: Ryacko

2020-03-16 Thread rooty
Thanks for being a good sport gym. Most here are cranky, old as dirt, oh and 
the hateful message let alone weird nonsense just saying. Tax payers money at 
work I guess :-(

 Original Message 
On Mar 15, 2020, 1:14 PM, jim bell wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 4, 2020, 04:04:00 PM PST, Cecilia Tanaka 
>  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 19:27 rooty  wrote:
>
>> Anyone heard from ryacko. He went dark and just wondering what happened
>
>>Maybe did you call him "super old" or say you are richer than him, even being 
>>a bot.
>
>  b*tch.
>
>>I annoyed Jim about his weight, saying it is perfectly regular for USA, 
>>because received a private message talking about "public fat shaming" and 
>>trying to prove me that 60 years old is too much time for living.  Sorry, 
>>Jim.  Another person had sent me the stupid message.
>
> No, due to my spam-folder misdirection, I haven't actually yet read about the 
>  original "weight" email, although I just read your (unnecessary) apology for 
> it.   Doesn't bother me. There are plenty of FALSE things that I can be upset 
> about; no point at being upset at TRUE things!
>
>   Jim Bell

Sweden Fines Google for Telling Website Owners About Censorship of Content - [MINISTRY]

2020-03-16 Thread Zenaan Harkness
The Ministry in force.


  Sweden Fines Google for Telling Website Owners About Censorship of Content
  
https://sputniknews.com/europe/202003161078580947-sweden-fines-google-for-telling-website-owners-about-censorship-of-content--reports/

According to Sweden’s Data Protection Authority (the Datainspektionen), the 
fine is punishment for the search engine giant’s failure to remove search 
results ordered to be blocked three years ago.

Sweden’s Datainspektionen has fined google 75 million Swedish kronor 
(equivalent to about €7 million or $7.74 million) for failure to comply with 
the data protection watchdog’s instructions, the government agency has said in 
a statement.

https://www.datainspektionen.se/nyheter/the-swedish-data-protection-authority-imposes-administrative-fine-on-google/

According to the regulator, which is affiliated with Sweden’s Ministry 
of Justice, Google violated the terms of the ‘right-to-be-forgotten rule’, a 
EU-mandated regulation introduced in 2014 allowing individuals to request the 
removal of potentially harmful private information from popping up in internet 
searches and directories.

Datainspektionen says an internal audit has shown that Google has failed to 
“properly remove” two search results which were ordered to be delisted back in 
2017, making either “too narrow” an interpretation of what content needed to be 
removed, or failing to remove a link to content “without undue delay.”

The watchdog has also slapped Google with a cease-and-desist order for its 
practice of notifying website owners of a delisting request, arguing that this 
practice defeats the purpose of link removal in the first place.

“In its delisting request form Google states that the site-owner will 
be notified of the request in a way that might result in individuals refraining 
from exercising their right to request delisting, thereby undermining the 
effectiveness of this right,” Olle Pettersson, legal advisor to the watchdog, 
said in a statement.

Effectively, if Google complies, website owners will no longer be informed 
if URLs to certain web pages are delinked upon a user’s request.

Google has promised to appeal the fine, with a spokesperson for the company 
saying that the tech giant “disagree[s] with this decision on principle and 
plan[s] to appeal.” Google has three weeks to appeal.

https://www.androidcentral.com/sweden-fines-google-8-million-violating-right-be-forgotten-law



Matt Blaze is an idiot

2020-03-16 Thread Ryan Carboni
You act in accordance for the plans you have and prepared for. This
idea that moving people to a safe and sanitary location to continue
working wouldn't be viable is idiotic if that was the only option
available.

Clearly no one prepared for anything, all attempts at planning were
just fantasizing, and I wonder how he even manages function on a day
to day basis.

https://nitter.net/mattblaze/status/1239599508545310722
It occurs to me that most of the cold war emergency "continuity of
government" planning was focused on the logistics of getting people
together at a "safe" (but probably cramped) alternate workplace, and
almost none of it on facilitating people working from home in
isolation.


Re: 283,549 Road Users Deaths for 2020, Compared to 6,685 Coronoavirus Deaths

2020-03-16 Thread Razer


On 3/16/20 6:41 AM, John Young wrote:
> 283,549 Road Users Deaths for 2020, Compared to 6,685 Coronoavirus Deaths
>
> 1,354,840 Road Users Deaths in 2019
>
> https://extranet.who.int/roadsafety/death-on-the-roads/

+1

They're using the initial mortality statistics of a FLU variant (without
trying to sound callous)  'at-risk die-off', and never following up with
the stats that show a huge drop off in deaths after-that-fact
illustrating this is really just another flu ... without a vaccine for
that at-risk cohort.

Tens of thousands of people died from the Flu and it's complications in
the US alone last year and there was no talk of Quarantine, or
comparisons to Ebola, Malaria and the Plague.

Personally I believe that fearmongering is INTENTIONALLY BEING DONE as a
form of:

A> Hybrid Economic War on China because tariffs and sanctions simply
don't work when the nation targeted makes or is a major part of the
supply chain for EVERYTHING YOU NEED on a daily basis, from clothes to
cars to food, and

B> It essentially enforces mandatory "Disaster Capitalism" globally, plus

C> The media simply ran out of "terrorists" to panic us about and
everyone's sort of bored with Trump's "Stupid Act" [See my Ps], and
since the media's owners got VERY USED TO making HUGE amounts of money
sensationalizing those things, they had to find something else...

That something else is "Be afraid of each other"

The rich are going to get richer beyond their wildest dreams and stand
as close together as they like... while the rest of us live in fear of
each other.

Rr

"When I say something that you might think is a gaffe, it's on purpose.
It's not a gaffe." ~Donald Trump explains, in so many words, that most
Americans are stupider than he is and actually believe his idiotic
statements.





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283,549 Road Users Deaths for 2020, Compared to 6,685 Coronoavirus Deaths

2020-03-16 Thread John Young

283,549 Road Users Deaths for 2020, Compared to 6,685 Coronoavirus Deaths

1,354,840 Road Users Deaths in 2019

https://extranet.who.int/roadsafety/death-on-the-roads/




Proof: COVID-19 is NOT a bioweapon -- Re: How to Spread Coronavirus on National Media

2020-03-16 Thread Zig the N.g
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 09:43:05AM -0400, John Young wrote:
> Fauci Touches Face with Hand on National Media, Trump Touches Mic Emulated by
> Fauci and Several Attendees, No Recommended Distance Between Any of Them,
> Trump Handshakes, One Elbow Bump, What Can Go Wrong?
> 
> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETEtcxzWAAECPfW?format=jpg=small


The Ministry insists that COVID-19 is absolutely NOT a bioweapon.  Just don't 
Yandex for Charles Lieber:

FTR, COVID-19 is definitely NOT a bioweapon developed by a Jewish scientist 
from Harvard who was recently awarded the Israeli "Wolf Prize" for his work!


  Jews Panic Over Accusations that the Coronavirus Pandemic is a Jewish Plot
  
http://dstormer6em3i4km.onion/jews-panic-over-accusations-that-the-coronavirus-pandemic-is-a-jewish-plot/

  .. There is also the strange case of Charles Lieber, a Jewish scientist 
from Harvard, who was arrested this past January for lying about his 
connections to a research lab located in Wuhan. As we already know, Wuhan was 
the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak. Lieber was specifically involved in 
doing various types of research and development within the fields of 
neurobiology and nanotechnology. What the exact nature of his work was, is not 
quite known but his arrest and connection to Wuhan raises a number of serious 
questions.
  Lieber was previously given an Israeli award for his work.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_M._Lieber
  
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/28/800442646/acclaimed-harvard-scientist-is-arrested-accused-of-lying-about-ties-to-china
  
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/01/professor-charles-lieber-receives-israels-wolf-prize/

  ...
  
https://www.timesofisrael.com/conspiracy-theory-that-jews-created-virus-spreads-on-social-media-adl-says/

  Iran’s deputy health minister catches coronavirus as outbreak causes 
shortage of masks and medicine
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyRRsttna9k

  Coronavirus: Iran says 23 MPs have disease
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwjDu7aLGPs

  ...


Re: Crypt Tech: Upuaut and Djedi - Spying the Cheops

2020-03-16 Thread grarpamp
Scanning the Cheops
http://www.scanpyramids.org/


Crypt Tech: Upuaut and Djedi - Spying the Cheops

2020-03-16 Thread grarpamp
http://www.cheops.org/
http://emhotep.net/2012/03/07/locations/lower-egypt/giza-plateau-lower-egypt/the-djedi-project-the-next-generation-in-robotic-archaeology/


Party like its ...

2020-03-16 Thread Steven Schear
Here a little thing I created.


Subterfuge and power grabs by Code of Conduct? Say no to Snow-CoCs - seize the day, deploy your Bro-CoC

2020-03-16 Thread Zenaan Harkness
Starting a new tech, software or other project?

Snowflakes threatening the lifeblood of your will to be bothered at all?

Don't wanna get bogged down in Code of Conduct (CoC) politics nor risk the 
pioneer-sabotaging, community undermining nature of "snowflake" CoC-wielding 
petty nazis?

Then look no further .. than the Bro-CoC!

Pre-empt CoC wielding snowflakes from undermining your project and community, 
and from undermining the founder(s);
Set aside the potential for a back door Snow-CoC being inserted into what was 
"a community".


  Mandate your Bro-CoC from the start.


Yee haw muffaluggerahs :D

Here's are some ideas to start, others are earlier in this thread, and no doubt 
plenty elsewhere:

  What is No Code of Conduct?
  https://nocodeofconduct.com/


(Personally I prefer the noun Bro-CoC to No-CoC, but each to his own...)

Also note - at least for mailing lists, there's absolutely no reason to not 
have a minimum of TWO "general discussion" lists - one for Snow-CoCs and the 
other for Bro-CoCs.  Easy peasy.  I strongly suggest using the following email 
list names for your new project:

  snow-c...@my.project.tld

  m...@my.project.tld



Carbon Negative?

2020-03-16 Thread Ryan Carboni
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azolla_event
Azolla has been deemed a "super-plant" as it can draw down as much as
a tonne of nitrogen per acre per year (0.25 kg/m2/yr); this is matched
by 6 tonnes per acre of carbon drawdown (1.5 kg/m2/yr). Its ability to
use atmospheric nitrogen for growth means that the main limit to its
growth is usually the availability of phosphorus: carbon, nitrogen and
sulphur being three of the key elements of proteins, and phosphorus
being required for DNA, RNA and in energy metabolism. The plant can
grow at great speed in favourable conditions – modest warmth and 20
hours of sunlight, both of which were in evidence at the poles during
the early Eocene – and can double its biomass over two to three days
in such a climate.


Re: Tracing COVID-19 cases with Google Timeline?

2020-03-16 Thread jim bell
 https://apnews.com/97dbcb6d4ef71a48d15a7ec5dd7b4c48

[partial quote follows]
JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel has long been known for its use of technology to track 
the movements of Palestinian militants. Now, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu 
wants to use similar technology to stop the movement of the coronavirus.

Netanyahu’s Cabinet on Sunday authorized the Shin Bet security agency to use 
its phone-snooping tactics on coronavirus patients, an official confirmed, 
despite concerns from civil-liberties advocates that the practice would raise 
serious privacy issues. The official spoke on condition of anonymity pending an 
official announcement.

Netanyahu announced his plan in a televised address late Saturday, telling the 
nation that the drastic steps would protect the public’s health, though it 
would also “entail a certain degree of violation of privacy.”

Israel has identified more than 200 cases of the coronavirus. Based on 
interviews with these patients about their movements, health officials have put 
out public advisories ordering tens of thousands of people who may have come 
into contact with them into protective home quarantine.

The new plan would use mobile-phone tracking technology to give a far more 
precise history of an infected person’s movements before they were diagnosed 
and identify people who might have been exposed.

In his address, Netanyahu acknowledged the technology had never been used on 
civilians. But he said the unprecedented health threat posed by the virus 
justified its use. For most people, the coronavirus causes only mild or 
moderate symptoms. But for some, especially older adults and people with 
existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness.

“They are not minor measures. They entail a certain degree of violation of the 
privacy of those same people, who we will check to see whom they came into 
contact with while sick and what preceded that. This is an effective tool for 
locating the virus,” Netanyahu said.

The proposal sparked a heated debate over the use of sensitive security 
technology, who would have access to the information and what exactly would be 
done with it.

Nitzan Horowitz, leader of the liberal opposition party Meretz, said that 
tracking citizens “using databases and sophisticated technological means are 
liable to result in a severe violation of privacy and basic civil liberties.” 
He said any use of the technology must be supervised, with “clear rules” for 
the use of the information.

Netanyahu led a series of discussions Sunday with security and health officials 
to discuss the matter. Responding to privacy concerns, he said late Sunday he 
had ordered a number of changes in the plan, including reducing the scope of 
data that would be gathered and limiting the number of people who could see the 
information, to protect against misuse.
[end of partial quote]



On Friday, February 21, 2020, 04:45:16 PM PST, jim bell 
 wrote:  
 
 I am surprised that when I do a Google search for 'COVID-19 "google timeline" 
', I see essentially no results.

We all know now what COVID-19 (nCov, Coronavirus) is.  From the reports I see, 
this virus has the unusual characteristic of being very contageous for up to 
periods of weeks prior to a person's feeling symptoms.  That is presumably how 
a large fraction of a cruise ship became infected.  This is quite ominous.  If 
epidemiologists were to ask a patient, "tell us where and when you've been each 
minute over the last 15 days"  the vast majority of these victims wouldn't have 
a prayer of providing that information.  And even worse, finding the other 
people who were "in that AM/PM at 5:07-5:21 10 days ago" would be essentially 
impossible.   Or potentially dozens of other involved locations, over those 15 
days.  

Before one of you accuses me of "advocating" the use of Google Timeline to 
track potential cases of COVID-19 by means of Google Timeline, I don't need to 
"advocate" it.  Rather, I simply point out that there are a lot of people out 
there scared of this virus, and probably be looking for a way to determine if 
their paths have crossed with a victim, even if that victim wasn't symptomatic 
for 1-2 weeks after the contact.  So at some point, I think there will be 
discussion of this possibility.   The data is already being collected, in all 
Android phones (is there an Apple equivalent?)  In principle, if a new infectee 
is identified, it would be technically possible to work backwards, figure out 
where he has been over the relevant period, and find anybody who was close to 
him during a multi-week period.  

One reason this could be important is that there may be a drug which might 
reduce (or, hopefully, eliminate) a person's contageousness if it taken during 
this pre-symptomatic period.   One possibility is an old anti-malarial drug, 
chloroquine, which I have mentioned before.   
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32074550  
  But if people only begin taking chloroquine when