Re: Apple Talks Shit About Privacy at CES
On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 03:56:48PM -0300, Punk wrote: > On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 22:38:13 +1100 > Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 06, 2019 at 07:14:34PM -0300, Punk wrote: > > > On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 15:56:17 -0500 > > > grarpamp wrote: > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > Apple's focus on privacy is nothing new - > > > > > > please, spare us such retarded vomits. > > > > I guess folks round here might read it as: Apple's focus on providing > > just enough 'privacy' feels to encourage maximum product purchases, > > whilst staying 'compliant' with NSA + Co. > > > It's funny how the most 'successful' 'heroes' of the 'free market', > companies like apple, microsoft, google, facebook and the like do not provide > any value at all and have never ever produced a single 'innovation'. But but but, but Apple --invented-- privacy, yes? :D > microsoft's 'market cap' is 70 millions? THat's 70 of DESTROYED > value. > > I guess all those companies follow the coca-cola model. Build an empire > selling sugary water. Indeed :(
Re: Apple Talks Shit About Privacy at CES
On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 14:50:47 -0500 Steve Kinney wrote: > I would describe that episode as a publicity stunt cooked up by the FBI > and DoD contractor Apple. If I recall correctly, Apple claimed it > "could not" unlock the device in question; but after public attention > started to die down, a 3rd party forensics shop did unlock it. > > Meanwhile, back in the network security world, Declan Mccullagh reported: > > https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-deluged-by-police-demands-to-decrypt-iphones/ > > > "ATF says no law enforcement agency could unlock a defendant's iPhone, > but Apple can 'bypass the security software' if it chooses. Apple has > created a police waiting list because of high demand." plus https://www.yahoo.com/news/iphone-security-six-digit-pass-153539020.html "apple shitPhones protected by a six-digit pass code 'may' no longer be safe thanks to a cheap tool being marketed to police that can unlock a smartphone in just days." https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-ios-passcode-crack-revealed-234705097.html "A shitPhone can be unlocked with a virtual keyboard pretending to type lots of passcodes, a security researcher revealed Friday" > > :o) > > > > > > >
Re: Apple Talks Shit About Privacy at CES
On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 02:50:47PM -0500, Steve Kinney wrote: > > > On 1/6/19 3:56 PM, grarpamp wrote: > > https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/05/apple-ces-2019-privacy-advertising/ > > https://www.engadget.com/2016/02/18/fbi-apple-iphone-explainer/ > > https://www.android.com/security-center/ > > https://source.android.com/security > > https://apple.com/privacy > > > > "What happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone." > > > That privacy priority came > > into clear focus three years ago when Apple refused to assist the FBI > > in unlocking an iPhone that belonged to a suspected terrorist in San > > Bernardino, CA. > > I would describe that episode as a publicity stunt cooked up by the FBI > and DoD contractor Apple. If I recall correctly, Apple claimed it > "could not" unlock the device in question; but after public attention > started to die down, a 3rd party forensics shop did unlock it. > > Meanwhile, back in the network security world, Declan Mccullagh reported: > > https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-deluged-by-police-demands-to-decrypt-iphones/ > > > "ATF says no law enforcement agency could unlock a defendant's iPhone, > but Apple can 'bypass the security software' if it chooses. Apple has > created a police waiting list because of high demand." They've also significantly decreased the security of their devices with face ID and fingerprint ID, both of which can be faked with relative ease, the easiest way being simply manhandling a persons hand or face into position be LEO (or other nefarious actor). https://www.macrumors.com/2018/12/16/3d-printed-head-android-face-id/ https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/27/face-id-iphone-x-fooled-by-mask/ > > :o) > > > > > > > -- GPG fingerprint: 17FD 615A D20D AFE8 B3E4 C9D2 E324 20BE D47A 78C7 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Apple Talks Shit About Privacy at CES
On 1/6/19 3:56 PM, grarpamp wrote: > https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/05/apple-ces-2019-privacy-advertising/ > https://www.engadget.com/2016/02/18/fbi-apple-iphone-explainer/ > https://www.android.com/security-center/ > https://source.android.com/security > https://apple.com/privacy > > "What happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone." > That privacy priority came > into clear focus three years ago when Apple refused to assist the FBI > in unlocking an iPhone that belonged to a suspected terrorist in San > Bernardino, CA. I would describe that episode as a publicity stunt cooked up by the FBI and DoD contractor Apple. If I recall correctly, Apple claimed it "could not" unlock the device in question; but after public attention started to die down, a 3rd party forensics shop did unlock it. Meanwhile, back in the network security world, Declan Mccullagh reported: https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-deluged-by-police-demands-to-decrypt-iphones/ "ATF says no law enforcement agency could unlock a defendant's iPhone, but Apple can 'bypass the security software' if it chooses. Apple has created a police waiting list because of high demand." :o) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Apple Talks Shit About Privacy at CES
On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 22:38:13 +1100 Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Sun, Jan 06, 2019 at 07:14:34PM -0300, Punk wrote: > > On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 15:56:17 -0500 > > grarpamp wrote: > > > > . > > > > > > Apple's focus on privacy is nothing new - > > > > please, spare us such retarded vomits. > > I guess folks round here might read it as: Apple's focus on providing > just enough 'privacy' feels to encourage maximum product purchases, > whilst staying 'compliant' with NSA + Co. It's funny how the most 'successful' 'heroes' of the 'free market', companies like apple, microsoft, google, facebook and the like do not provide any value at all and have never ever produced a single 'innovation'. microsoft's 'market cap' is 70 millions? THat's 70 of DESTROYED value. I guess all those companies follow the coca-cola model. Build an empire selling sugary water. > > :)
Re: Apple Talks Shit About Privacy at CES
On Sun, Jan 06, 2019 at 07:14:34PM -0300, Punk wrote: > On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 15:56:17 -0500 > grarpamp wrote: > > . > > > > Apple's focus on privacy is nothing new - > > please, spare us such retarded vomits. I guess folks round here might read it as: Apple's focus on providing just enough 'privacy' feels to encourage maximum product purchases, whilst staying 'compliant' with NSA + Co. :)
Re: Apple Talks Shit About Privacy at CES
On Sun, 6 Jan 2019 15:56:17 -0500 grarpamp wrote: . > > Apple's focus on privacy is nothing new - please, spare us such retarded vomits.
Apple Talks Shit About Privacy at CES
https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/05/apple-ces-2019-privacy-advertising/ https://www.engadget.com/2016/02/18/fbi-apple-iphone-explainer/ https://www.android.com/security-center/ https://source.android.com/security https://apple.com/privacy "What happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone." Historically, Apple hasn't had an official presence at CES. It's not surprising given the company's success at hosting and hyping its own product launch events -- long before the iPod and iPhone brought Apple to the top of the technology mountain, Steve Jobs keynotes were can't miss events. The company is also very deliberate about its marketing campaigns; when I see Apple billboard ads, they focus on new product close-ups with minimal messaging. This is why the giant ad banner I saw when I arrived in Las Vegas yesterday for CES 2019 caught my eye. Positioned not far from the convention center where CES takes place, the sign is a cheeky riff on the old "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" slogan -- and with just a few words, it casts an Apple-shaped shadow over the convention. Apple's focus on privacy is nothing new -- the company has long said that it doesn't make money from its users' personal information, but from selling people hardware and software. That privacy priority came into clear focus three years ago when Apple refused to assist the FBI in unlocking an iPhone that belonged to a suspected terrorist in San Bernardino, CA. And throughout 2018, new security scandals seemingly emerged every week (with Facebook almost always leading the way) and the government took a major interest in what technology giants like Google are doing with our personal data. In a world where privacy is on everyone's mind, Apple is saying to the technology industry that it stands alone. "Do whatever you want in the city of sin," the billboard barks, "we'll never know." The ad's placement takes on extra irony when you notice that Google's CES presence is even bigger than it was last year -- the company once again wrapped the Las Vegas monorail with "Hey Google" ads and once again it is building a huge playhouse in the convention center parking lot. For the second year in a row, Google will be unavoidable at CES even though it probably isn't launching any new products of its own. But this year, Apple will literally be reminding everyone of 2018's privacy scandals, asking CES visitors how comfortable they are saying "hey Google" to a growing raft of products. It doesn't hurt that this helps Apple change the conversation a little bit from the tough week it just had, either. Yes, iPhone sales are slowing down -- but if you want a Vegas-proof smartphone, Apple is ready to sell you one. Ultimately, this is just one ad (I haven't seen it elsewhere in Las Vegas yet) that just builds on a message Apple has been crafting for years. But the company is nothing if not deliberate with its messaging. This probably isn't the start of a large-scale, national ad campaign -- but touting its focus on privacy for all the tech industry to see makes a statement that goes way beyond a single billboard. We've reached out to see if Apple has any comment on its advertising here at CES and will update this post if we hear anything. Not your ... #OpenFabs , #OpenHW , #OpenSW , #OpenDev , #OpenBiz ... , then not your hardware.
