Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

[juan]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:43:19 -0500
John Newman  wrote:


> 
> When does someone with gender dysphoria 
> who has had 
> their cock chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, 
> has breasts implanted, legally changed their name, takes female
> hormones / estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she? 


I think the 'technical' answer to your question is : if you
want to turn a male into a female then your 'ex' male must have
the  same biological capabilities that females have : in the
case of mammals that means tits that produce milk and a
working womb. And the associated sensory system that produce
sexual pleasuer must be working as well. 


I just remembered a relevant joke : do you know what's the most
painful part of the process to turn a man into a 'transgender'
woman? It's the operation to make the brain smaller. 

I can say that sort of thing because the drones of the
amazon-google-american government don't reach argentina
yet, but I guess that if an 'american' said that he
would be automatically droned at once.

Re: Chelsea Manning For US

[g2s]

Actually, tour
 Original message From: "nul"
>> All of this is bullshit. I'm chelsea manning.  It's fake news.

ACTUALLY, your name is junkfile... bye.
Rr

Re: Chelsea Manning For US

[g2s]

 Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date: 1/18/18 
 8:06 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cp <cypherpu...@cpunks.org> Subject: Re: Chelsea 
Manning For US 
On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:48:59 -0800
g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:


> Actually it isn't that at all. It's a complex surgical procedure
> where they, 

>> and they put a clitoris in it too? they >> don't? go figure

>> lol at fucking medical savagery

Actually, i believe they use the prostate gland. Not sure though.

> for want of a more technical description, "turn it inside
> out and tuck it in". Rr Ps. I knew a guy in boulder Co in the 1970s
> that did the chopjob on himself. But he was a rather disturbed person
> who couldn't possibly pass the standard psych evaluation.
> 

>> sure, "psych" evaluation 

Yeah. Psych evaluation. Because they, at least, don't want to have the patient 
deciding they really didn't want to make the change. There's eztensive 
counseling and evaluation before they proceed. Unlike boob jobs, lip 
enhancements, et al..
Rr

Re: Chelsea Manning For US

[Marina Brown]

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On 01/18/2018 08:50 PM, John Newman wrote:
> 
> 
> On Jan 18, 2018, at 8:17 PM, juan  > wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:43:19 -0500 John Newman > > wrote:
>> 
>>> has had  their cock chopped off
>> 
>> Now, that's an interesting one. Cutting your dick off seems like
>> a nasty thing to do to yourself. And cutting your dick off is of
>> course a brutal form of castration. And castration is something
>> one would expect a feminazi, anti-sex mock 'culture' like the
>> americunt-western 'culture' to encourage.
>> 
>> 
> 
> I don’t think it’s really just a matter of chopping it off, that
> was me just sort of bullshitting ;) Anyway, out of curiosity, I
> took a look and Argentina is actually quite a bit farther along
> this line than the old Americunts... the following cut and pasted
> from wikipedia  -
> 
> 
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Argentina
> 
> *“Transgender rights in Argentina* are among the most advanced in
> the world. The country "has one of the world's most comprehensive
> transgender rights 
>  laws":^[1] 
> 
>
> 
its Gender Law, passed in 2012, made Argentina the "only country that
> allows people to change their gender identities without facing
> barriers such as hormone therapy 
> ,
> surgery 
> or psychiatric diagnosis that labels them as having an
> abnormality".^[2] 
> 
>
> 
^[3]
> 
>
> 
In 2015, the World Health Organization
>  cited 
> Argentina as an exemplary country for providing transgender
> rights.^[3] 
> 
>
> 
Upon legalising same-sex marriage
>  on July 15,
> 2010, Argentina became the first country in Latin America 
> , the second in the
> Americas , and the tenth 
> in the world to do so.”
> 
> 
> 
> “Gender identity law
> 
> The Ley de Género (Gender Law),^[7] 
> 
>
> 
grants adults sex reassignment surgery and hormone therapy as a part of
> their public or private health care plans. The law also allows for 
> changes to gender, image, or birth name on civil registries without
> the approval of a doctor or a judge.”
> 

Sometimes the law is one thing and reality is another.

There are countries - thinking of Costa Rica in particular
that have decent laws about gay or trans rights, but their
society and police don't care and persecute people nonetheless.


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Re: Chelsea Manning For US

[juan]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:48:59 -0800
g2s  wrote:


> Actually it isn't that at all. It's a complex surgical procedure
> where they, 

and they put a clitoris in it too? they don't? go figure

lol at fucking medical savagery

and I guess I should have added : does the "complex surgical
procedure" also create a womb and ovaries so that the new
'woman' can have children? Or perhaps they don't do that cause
it would be 'sexist'? 





> for want of a more technical description, "turn it inside
> out and tuck it in". Rr Ps. I knew a guy in boulder Co in the 1970s
> that did the chopjob on himself. But he was a rather disturbed person
> who couldn't possibly pass the standard psych evaluation.
> 

Re: Chelsea Manning For US

[g2s]

 Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date: 1/18/18 
 6:27 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cp <cypherpu...@cpunks.org> Subject: Re: Chelsea 
Manning For US 
On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:50:46 -0500
John Newman <j...@synfin.org> wrote:


> 
> I don’t think it’s really just a matter of chopping it off, 

>> but that's what it is.
Actually it isn't that at all. It's a complex surgical procedure where they, 
for want of a more technical description, "turn it inside out and tuck it in".
Rr
Ps. I knew a guy in boulder Co in the 1970s that did the chopjob on himself. 
But he was a rather disturbed person who couldn't possibly pass the standard 
psych evaluation.

> that was
> me just sort of bullshitting ;)

rather, I think you are bullshitting now, trying to play it
down =)

 Anyway, out of curiosity, I took a
> look and Argentina is actually quite a bit farther along this line
> than the old Americunts... the following cut and pasted from
> wikipedia  - 
> 
> 
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Argentina
> 
> “Transgender rights in Argentina are among the most advanced in the
> world. 

sounds exactly like what the typical local 'progressive'
asshole would write : "most advanced in the world"  haha 


> The country "has one of the world's most comprehensive
> transgender rights laws":[1] its Gender Law, passed in 2012, made
> Argentina the "only country that allows people to change their gender
> identities without facing barriers such as hormone therapy, surgery
> or psychiatric diagnosis that labels them as having an
> abnormality".[2][3] In 2015, the World Health Organization cited
> Argentina as an exemplary country for providing transgender
> rights.[3] Upon legalising same-sex marriage on July 15, 2010,
> Argentina became the first country in Latin America, the second in
> the Americas, and the tenth in the world to do so.”
> 
> 
> 
> “Gender identity law
> 
> The Ley de Género (Gender Law),[7] grants adults sex reassignment
> surgery and hormone therapy as a part of their public or private
> health care plans. The law also allows for changes to gender, image,
> or birth name on civil registries without the approval of a doctor or
> a judge.”


sounds like bullshit. Changing your birth name was always a
bureaucratic mess and I actually doubt people ever tried it.
So I highly doubt you can now change your name or 'image'(what
the fuck is that even supposed to mean) easily. 

I can tell you however that last time I tried to buy a kilo of
caustic soda, the motherfucking scum at the shop didn't sell it
to me because I don't have a credit card. They want  ID AND
you can't pay in cash. Courtesy of the DEA and the local DEA
lapdogs. 

Re: Chelsea Manning For US

[Mirimir]

On 01/18/2018 02:50 PM, John Newman wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2018, at 8:17 PM, x wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:43:19 -0500
>> John Newman  wrote:
>>
>>> has had  their cock chopped off 
>>
>>Now, that's an interesting one. Cutting your dick off seems
>>like a nasty thing to do to yourself. And cutting your dick off
>>is of course a brutal form of castration. And castration is
>>something one would expect a feminazi, anti-sex mock 'culture'
>>like the americunt-western 'culture' to encourage. 
>>
>>
> 
> I don’t think it’s really just a matter of chopping it off, that was me just 
> sort of bullshitting ;) Anyway, out of curiosity, I took a look and Argentina
> is actually quite a bit farther along this line than the old Americunts...
> the following cut and pasted from wikipedia  - 

It's more like turning it inside out:
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-doctors-turn-a-penis-into-a-vagina-2015-12?IR=T

Re: Chelsea Manning For US

[juan]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2018 13:59:24 +1100
Zenaan Harkness  wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 11:27:48PM -0300, Juan wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:50:46 -0500
> > John Newman  wrote:
> > > “Gender identity law
> > > a judge.”
> > 
> > 
> > sounds like bullshit. Changing your birth name was always a
> > bureaucratic mess and I actually doubt people ever tried it.
> > So I highly doubt you can now change your name or
> > 'image'(what the fuck is that even supposed to mean) easily. 
> > 
> > I can tell you however that last time I tried to buy a kilo
> > of caustic soda, the motherfucking scum at the shop didn't sell it
> > to me because I don't have a credit card. They want  ID AND
> > you can't pay in cash. Courtesy of the DEA and the local DEA
> > lapdogs. 
> 
> Oh they just want to track anyone making soap ... so if you're going
> to clean up the Street, you better do so in the back alley :D

yep =) illegal soap making is a very heinous crime.


the list of highly forbidden compounds includes most acids, but
not nitric acid. Sodium carbonate, but not bicarbonate (which
can of course be easily converted to carbonate), most solvents,
etc. But you can buy all the ethanol you want in the
supermarket, something completly unthinkable in many first
world countries I think.

Amyway, such gross attacks on property rights and the
freedom to buy and sell are really irrelevant. What matters is
that argentina has the "most advanced" 'transgender' 'rights' in
the world.

Re: Chelsea Manning For US

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 11:27:48PM -0300, Juan wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:50:46 -0500
> John Newman  wrote:
> > “Gender identity law
> > a judge.”
> 
> 
>   sounds like bullshit. Changing your birth name was always a
>   bureaucratic mess and I actually doubt people ever tried it.
>   So I highly doubt you can now change your name or 'image'(what
>   the fuck is that even supposed to mean) easily. 
> 
>   I can tell you however that last time I tried to buy a kilo of
>   caustic soda, the motherfucking scum at the shop didn't sell it
>   to me because I don't have a credit card. They want  ID AND
>   you can't pay in cash. Courtesy of the DEA and the local DEA
>   lapdogs. 

Oh they just want to track anyone making soap ... so if you're going
to clean up the Street, you better do so in the back alley :D

Re: Chelsea Manning For US

[juan]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:50:46 -0500
John Newman  wrote:


> 
> I don’t think it’s really just a matter of chopping it off, 

but that's what it is.

> that was
> me just sort of bullshitting ;)

rather, I think you are bullshitting now, trying to play it
down =)

 Anyway, out of curiosity, I took a
> look and Argentina is actually quite a bit farther along this line
> than the old Americunts... the following cut and pasted from
> wikipedia  - 
> 
> 
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Argentina
> 
> “Transgender rights in Argentina are among the most advanced in the
> world. 

sounds exactly like what the typical local 'progressive'
asshole would write : "most advanced in the world"  haha 


> The country "has one of the world's most comprehensive
> transgender rights laws":[1] its Gender Law, passed in 2012, made
> Argentina the "only country that allows people to change their gender
> identities without facing barriers such as hormone therapy, surgery
> or psychiatric diagnosis that labels them as having an
> abnormality".[2][3] In 2015, the World Health Organization cited
> Argentina as an exemplary country for providing transgender
> rights.[3] Upon legalising same-sex marriage on July 15, 2010,
> Argentina became the first country in Latin America, the second in
> the Americas, and the tenth in the world to do so.”
> 
> 
> 
> “Gender identity law
> 
> The Ley de Género (Gender Law),[7] grants adults sex reassignment
> surgery and hormone therapy as a part of their public or private
> health care plans. The law also allows for changes to gender, image,
> or birth name on civil registries without the approval of a doctor or
> a judge.”


sounds like bullshit. Changing your birth name was always a
bureaucratic mess and I actually doubt people ever tried it.
So I highly doubt you can now change your name or 'image'(what
the fuck is that even supposed to mean) easily. 

I can tell you however that last time I tried to buy a kilo of
caustic soda, the motherfucking scum at the shop didn't sell it
to me because I don't have a credit card. They want  ID AND
you can't pay in cash. Courtesy of the DEA and the local DEA
lapdogs. 

Re: Chelsea Manning For US

[John Newman]

> On Jan 18, 2018, at 8:17 PM, juan  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:43:19 -0500
> John Newman  wrote:
> 
>> has had  their cock chopped off 
> 
>Now, that's an interesting one. Cutting your dick off seems
>like a nasty thing to do to yourself. And cutting your dick off
>is of course a brutal form of castration. And castration is
>something one would expect a feminazi, anti-sex mock 'culture'
>like the americunt-western 'culture' to encourage. 
> 
>

I don’t think it’s really just a matter of chopping it off, that was me just 
sort of bullshitting ;) Anyway, out of curiosity, I took a look and Argentina
is actually quite a bit farther along this line than the old Americunts...
the following cut and pasted from wikipedia  - 


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Argentina

“Transgender rights in Argentina are among the most advanced in the world. The 
country "has one of the world's most comprehensive transgender rights laws":[1] 
its Gender Law, passed in 2012, made Argentina the "only country that allows 
people to change their gender identities without facing barriers such as 
hormone therapy, surgery or psychiatric diagnosis that labels them as having an 
abnormality".[2][3] In 2015, the World Health Organization cited Argentina as 
an exemplary country for providing transgender rights.[3] Upon legalising 
same-sex marriage on July 15, 2010, Argentina became the first country in Latin 
America, the second in the Americas, and the tenth in the world to do so.”



“Gender identity law

The Ley de Género (Gender Law),[7] grants adults sex reassignment surgery and 
hormone therapy as a part of their public or private health care plans. The law 
also allows for changes to gender, image, or birth name on civil registries 
without the approval of a doctor or a judge.”

Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

[juan]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:43:19 -0500
John Newman  wrote:

> has had  their cock chopped off 

Now, that's an interesting one. Cutting your dick off seems
like a nasty thing to do to yourself. And cutting your dick off
is of course a brutal form of castration. And castration is
something one would expect a feminazi, anti-sex mock 'culture'
like the americunt-western 'culture' to encourage. 

Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

[John Newman]

> On Jan 18, 2018, at 7:06 PM, juan  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:43:19 -0500
> John Newman  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On January 17, 2018 2:28:35 AM EST, juan  wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500
>>> grarpamp  wrote:
>>> 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I
>>> 
>>>"we don't need more or better leaders" 
>>> 
>>>that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
>>>himself. 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> When does someone with gender dysphoria 
> 
> 
>what is that?  oh, it's pseudo scientific jargon from
>the  psychiatric mafia - same mafia who useed to 'cure'
>homosexuality with a lobotomy. Same criminal scum who 'cure'
>'ADHD' by drugging children with meth. Et cetera.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> who has had 
>> their cock chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, 
>> has breasts implanted, legally changed their name, takes female
>> hormones / estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she? 
> 
>I don't know. Overall I think people can do whatever they want
>with their bodies. Likewise, I'm free to say whatever I want
>and not have my speech dictated...by anyone. 
> 
> 
>> 
>> I've no idea what all Manning has had done, but it seems 
>> silly to deny someone the right to assert their own gender, 
> 
>
>you mean, I have no right to free speech? 
> 


Yup! You’re muzzled. That’s my end game. Hmm I don’t think it worked?  ;)


> 
> 
>> especially when they're willing to go to such lengths. I
>> don't give a fuck about being PC, it just seems like a silly
>> thing to quibble and make a big deal over. 
> 
>Right. What pronoun I use to refer to manning isn't too
>important is it? 
> 
>Now, it seems rather clear to me that the more totalitarian and
>criminally derangedt the americunts get, the more they 'care'
>about 'oppressed' 'womemynz' and pronoun usage. 
> 
>Do you see the pattern? It's a form of camouflage. The more
>advanced the american canger gets, the more money the banks
>print, more countries they invade, more backdoored hardware
>they sell, the more 'progressive' they pretend to be. 
> 
>I wouldn't like to play into the hands of those people. 
> 

I don’t really feel like I’m playing into anyone’s hand. To me it has
absolutely jack fucking shit to do with state rhetoric. But, you know,
to each their own.. (thoughts and words)..


> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 287k views
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
 
>>> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaign-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-power/
 
 Big respect and support.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>no, fuck any politician.
> 

Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

[juan]

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:43:19 -0500
John Newman  wrote:

> 
> 
> On January 17, 2018 2:28:35 AM EST, juan  wrote:
> >On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500
> >grarpamp  wrote:
> >
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I
> >
> > "we don't need more or better leaders" 
> >
> > that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
> > himself. 
> >
> >
> 
> 
> When does someone with gender dysphoria 


what is that?  oh, it's pseudo scientific jargon from
the  psychiatric mafia - same mafia who useed to 'cure'
homosexuality with a lobotomy. Same criminal scum who 'cure'
'ADHD' by drugging children with meth. Et cetera.




> who has had 
> their cock chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, 
> has breasts implanted, legally changed their name, takes female
> hormones / estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she? 

I don't know. Overall I think people can do whatever they want
with their bodies. Likewise, I'm free to say whatever I want
and not have my speech dictated...by anyone. 


> 
> I've no idea what all Manning has had done, but it seems 
> silly to deny someone the right to assert their own gender, 


you mean, I have no right to free speech? 



> especially when they're willing to go to such lengths. I
> don't give a fuck about being PC, it just seems like a silly
> thing to quibble and make a big deal over. 

Right. What pronoun I use to refer to manning isn't too
important is it? 

Now, it seems rather clear to me that the more totalitarian and
criminally derangedt the americunts get, the more they 'care'
about 'oppressed' 'womemynz' and pronoun usage. 

Do you see the pattern? It's a form of camouflage. The more
advanced the american canger gets, the more money the banks
print, more countries they invade, more backdoored hardware
they sell, the more 'progressive' they pretend to be. 

I wouldn't like to play into the hands of those people. 












> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >> 287k views
> >> 
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
> >>
> >https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaign-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-power/
> >> 
> >> Big respect and support.
> >
> >
> > no, fuck any politician.

Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

[juan]

On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 12:57:01 -0800
g2s  wrote:


> You REALLY need to look at Manning's twitterfeed. You're missing the
> point entirely. Rr


sorry I don't  bother with twatter but maybe you can sum up
the points for us? Is manning using a political campaign to
'educate' people? 

Seems to me that manning doesn't really understand what the US
government is, even after being thoroughly fucked by them. I
might be wrong tho so if you have some interesting stuff from
manning the anarchist, please link it.




> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

[Marina Brown]

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On 01/18/2018 03:58 PM, John Newman wrote:
> 
> 
> On January 18, 2018 2:39:53 PM EST, Marina Brown
>  wrote: On 01/18/2018 01:43 PM, John
> Newman wrote:
 
 
 On January 17, 2018 2:28:35 AM EST, juan
  wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500 grarpamp
>  wrote:
> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I
> 
> "we don't need more or better leaders"
> 
> that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
>  himself.
> 
> 
 
 
 When does someone with gender dysphoria who has had their
 cock chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, has
 breasts implanted, legally changed their name, takes female
 hormones / estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she?
 
> 
> Um... I don't think she had any surgeries at all. Making
> assumptions, are we ?
> 
 I've no idea what all Manning has had done, but it seems
 silly to deny someone the right to assert their own gender,
 especially when they're willing to go to such lengths. I
 don't give a fuck about being PC, it just seems like a silly
 thing to quibble and make a big deal over.
> 
> Have you been watching the world at all in the last 10 years ?
> 
> Chelsea Manning released litterally thousands of diplomatic cables 
> for our reading enjoyment. Few of these were marked Top Secret
> most were confidential.
> 
> Personally i gained a lot of understanding of the way diplomacy
> works and a bit of entertainment at some of the bizzare stuff that
> got put in official diplomatic channels.
> 
> The thing she leaked that caused the most consternation was a
> video of US soldiers killing Journalists. I don't even think that
> was classified but it really upset a lot of people.
> 
> 
>> I meant I wasn't clear on how far she had taken the sex
>> conversion ;)

Nowadays a lot of trans people forgoe surgery and just do the
hormones.

The mark of the conversion is living full time as you are.

>> I'm up on everything else of course, the leaks and getting narced
>> on by that piece of shit Adrian Lamo.
> 

I don't know how she found herself trusting him. I was familiar with him
back then and he made my skin crawl. He reminded me of a high school
bully that befriends people just so they can betray them.


>> I was just basically trying to make an argument that if she wants
>> to be a she, what the hell does it matter?
> 

Seriously.

- -- Marina

> 
 
 
 
 
> 
> 
> 
>> 287k views
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
>> 
> 
> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campai
>
> 
gn-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-po
> wer/
>> 
>> 
> 
> Big respect and support.
> 
> 
> no, fuck any politician.
> 
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Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

[Marina Brown]

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On 01/18/2018 01:43 PM, John Newman wrote:
> 
> 
> On January 17, 2018 2:28:35 AM EST, juan 
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500 grarpamp 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I
>> 
>> "we don't need more or better leaders"
>> 
>> that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck 
>> himself.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> When does someone with gender dysphoria who has had their cock
> chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, has breasts
> implanted, legally changed their name, takes female hormones /
> estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she?
> 

Um... I don't think she had any surgeries at all. Making assumptions,
are we ?

> I've no idea what all Manning has had done, but it seems silly to
> deny someone the right to assert their own gender, especially when
> they're willing to go to such lengths. I don't give a fuck about
> being PC, it just seems like a silly thing to quibble and make a
> big deal over.

Have you been watching the world at all in the last 10 years ?

Chelsea Manning released litterally thousands of diplomatic cables
for our reading enjoyment. Few of these were marked Top Secret most
were confidential.

Personally i gained a lot of understanding of the way diplomacy works
and a bit of entertainment at some of the bizzare stuff that got put
in official diplomatic channels.

The thing she leaked that caused the most consternation was a video
of US soldiers killing Journalists. I don't even think that was
classified but it really upset a lot of people.

> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 287k views
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
>>> 
>> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campai
gn-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-po
wer/
>>>
>>>
>> 
Big respect and support.
>> 
>> 
>> no, fuck any politician.

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Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

[John Newman]

On January 17, 2018 2:28:35 AM EST, juan  wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500
>grarpamp  wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I
>
>   "we don't need more or better leaders" 
>
>   that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
>   himself. 
>
>


When does someone with gender dysphoria who has had 
their cock chopped off and surgically altered into a vagina, 
has breasts implanted, legally changed their name, takes female hormones / 
estrogen / etc.. when does the he become a she? 

I've no idea what all Manning has had done, but it seems 
silly to deny someone the right to assert their own gender, 
especially when they're willing to go to such lengths. I
don't give a fuck about being PC, it just seems like a silly
thing to quibble and make a big deal over. 




>
>
>
>> 287k views
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
>>
>https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaign-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-power/
>> 
>> Big respect and support.
>
>
>   no, fuck any politician.


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Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

[Marina Brown]

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On 01/17/2018 03:57 PM, g2s wrote:
> 
>  Original message  From: juan <juan@gmail.com> 
> Date: 1/16/18 11:28 PM (GMT-08:00) To:
> cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Chelsea Manning For US
> Senator From Maryland
> 
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500 grarpamp <grarp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I
> 
> "we don't need more or better leaders"
> 
> that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck 
> himself.
> 
> 
> 

YOU REALLY ARE HATEFUL ASSHOLES.

IT'S A SHAME THAT THIS LIST HAS BEEN DESTROYED
BY AN INFESTATION OF BIGOTS AND FASCISTS.

- --- Marina



> 
> 
>> 287k views
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
>> 
> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaig
n-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-pow
er/
>>
>>
> 
Big respect and support.
> 
> 
> no, fuck any politician.
> 
> 
> 
> 8x Snip x8
> 
> 
> You REALLY need to look at Manning's twitterfeed. You're missing
> the point entirely.
> 
> Rr
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

[g2s]

 Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date: 1/16/18 
 11:28 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Chelsea 
Manning For US Senator From Maryland 
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500
grarpamp <grarp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I

"we don't need more or better leaders" 

that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
himself. 





> 287k views
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaign-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-power/
> 
> Big respect and support.


no, fuck any politician.


8x Snip x8

You REALLY need to look at Manning's twitterfeed. You're missing the point 
entirely.
Rr

Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

[grarpamp]

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:28 AM, juan  wrote:
> "we don't need more or better leaders"
> that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
> himself.
> no, fuck any politician.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5K3KCxWOY4
http://KokeshForPresident.com/
Adam Kokesh, the declared anarchist for US president 2020, too?

Granted, she's running democrat.
What about libertarians / pirates / full on anarchopunk moles
running as [non]parties MP / for PM, that work for you?

Then what exactly is your solution?

Sit in your lazy chair and keep letting both the 51% and 49%,
or whatever unitary form applies, keep stealing from you by force
so they can keep on murdering people?

Where does that stop?

Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

[juan]

On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500
grarpamp  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I

"we don't need more or better leaders" 

that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
himself. 





> 287k views
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaign-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-power/
> 
> Big respect and support.


no, fuck any politician.

Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

[grarpamp]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/13/chelsea-manning-democrat-us-senate-maryland
https://twitter.com/xychelsea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I
287k views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaign-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-power/

Big respect and support.