Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
> On Sep 5, 2017, at 9:14 PM, Mirimirwrote: > >> On 09/05/2017 08:38 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: >> >> >>> On 09/05/2017 12:54 PM, John Newman wrote: >>> >>> > On Sep 3, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Mirimir wrote: > > On 09/03/2017 12:05 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: > > >> On 09/02/2017 09:06 PM, grarpamp wrote: >> A "store" for SK's top 10% wealth transfer? Lol, designed. >> Less time hobbled on "psychedelics". >> More time on "revolutin". >> Or at least gettin hippie dirty, jiggystyle. >> Crypto rave, on. >> >> Reportedly good blotter has been available on SR etc. >>> >>> On SR, then alphabay - excellent mdma also. >>> >>> These services (well, their descendants) are obviously risky as fuck. >>> Better to source privately if possible. >> >> Simple rule: Cop only from people you know, and don't eat anything they >> have not already. > > That is of course prudent advice :) > > However, it is possible to test unknowns safely enough. You start with > an extremely low dose. Perhaps 1% of the purported normal dose. And then > retest at higher dosages. A reasonable set of dosages might be 1%, 2%, > 5%, 10%, 20%, 50% and 100%. Or more, if you like. > > See PiHKAL and TiHKAL :) He started with untested compounds. > There are also test kits, which can at least give you some idea of what you've got .. > Albert Hofmann did get gobsmacked, I admit. But it didn't kill him. I > once inadvertently took a few milligrams of LSD. It was indeed intense, > but no more than some DMT experiences. Did last a lot longer, though. > Whoa! Sounds like the "thumbprint" trips I've heard tales of... I've never gone more than a few hundred mics (a few hits of 150mic shit in 90s)... but I have sat with friends who took mega-doses on more than a few occasions ;) >> "Stoned on some new potion he found upon the wall of some unholy >> bathroom in some ungodly hall" all too accurately describes people who >> buy WTF-ever from darknet vendors. Same shit, different decade. >> >> :o/
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On 09/06/2017 12:13 AM, Mirimir wrote: > On 09/05/2017 04:50 PM, Marina Brown wrote: >> On 09/05/2017 10:39 PM, Mirimir wrote: >>> On 09/05/2017 02:56 PM, Marina Brown wrote: On 09/05/2017 09:14 PM, Mirimir wrote: > On 09/05/2017 08:38 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: >> >> >> On 09/05/2017 12:54 PM, John Newman wrote: >>> >>> On Sep 3, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Mirimirwrote: > On 09/03/2017 12:05 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: > > >> On 09/02/2017 09:06 PM, grarpamp wrote: >> A "store" for SK's top 10% wealth transfer? Lol, designed. >> Less time hobbled on "psychedelics". >> More time on "revolutin". >> Or at least gettin hippie dirty, jiggystyle. >> Crypto rave, on. >> >> Reportedly good blotter has been available on SR etc. >>> >>> On SR, then alphabay - excellent mdma also. >>> >>> These services (well, their descendants) are obviously risky as fuck. >>> Better to source privately if possible. >> >> Simple rule: Cop only from people you know, and don't eat anything they >> have not already. > > That is of course prudent advice :) > > However, it is possible to test unknowns safely enough. You start with > an extremely low dose. Perhaps 1% of the purported normal dose. And then > retest at higher dosages. A reasonable set of dosages might be 1%, 2%, > 5%, 10%, 20%, 50% and 100%. Or more, if you like. > > See PiHKAL and TiHKAL :) He started with untested compounds. > > Albert Hofmann did get gobsmacked, I admit. But it didn't kill him. I > once inadvertently took a few milligrams of LSD. It was indeed intense, > but no more than some DMT experiences. Did last a lot longer, though. > Milligrams ? Are you sure you don't mean micrograms - a dose of LSD is ussually 10 micrograms. If you did take milligrams it would litterally have been a few hundred hits of acid. The most i have heard about people taking is 10 hits. >>> >>> Back in the day, the typical decent dose was ~250 micrograms. 4000 hits >>> per gram was the gold standard. But of course, as a mid-level dealer, >>> you never got crystalline LSD. You got a solution in absolute ethanol, >>> in sealed glass break-neck ampules. >>> >>> So basically, I bought a quarter gram, and fucked up diluting the stuff, >>> before making my test samples. So instead of 250 micrograms, I took a >>> sample that nominally contained ~5 milligrams, or 20 doses. But >>> fortunately, I corrected the error before anyone else tried it :) >>> >>> My typical dose was 500-1000 micrograms, so this was only 5-10 times >>> normal. And my tolerance was probably pretty high, as well. >>> >> >> I got the numbers wrong. >> >> I had a friend in college who had to take 10 hits just to get off. >> He was a Cellist who loved to play heavy metal on his cello. > > What a trip :) > > Have you heard/seen Seemann,[0] by Apocalyptica with Nina Hagen? And > then, there's Nina on acid on Letterman.[1] > > 0) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAlVF7lYKL8 > 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEGsTUY8YQo > >> I guess not so bad. My longest trip was 3 days. On Jimson Weed. > > Yeah. I tried smoking that once, but nothing. So it goes. > If you want a trip you don't smoke it but it is VERY dangerous. Definitly an ordeal. --- Marina >> "Stoned on some new potion he found upon the wall of some unholy >> bathroom in some ungodly hall" all too accurately describes people who >> buy WTF-ever from darknet vendors. Same shit, different decade. >> >> :o/ > >>> >> >> >
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On 09/05/2017 04:50 PM, Marina Brown wrote: > On 09/05/2017 10:39 PM, Mirimir wrote: >> On 09/05/2017 02:56 PM, Marina Brown wrote: >>> On 09/05/2017 09:14 PM, Mirimir wrote: On 09/05/2017 08:38 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: > > > On 09/05/2017 12:54 PM, John Newman wrote: >> >> >>> On Sep 3, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Mirimirwrote: >>> On 09/03/2017 12:05 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: > On 09/02/2017 09:06 PM, grarpamp wrote: > A "store" for SK's top 10% wealth transfer? Lol, designed. > Less time hobbled on "psychedelics". > More time on "revolutin". > Or at least gettin hippie dirty, jiggystyle. > Crypto rave, on. > > >>> Reportedly good blotter has been available on SR etc. >>> >> >> On SR, then alphabay - excellent mdma also. >> >> These services (well, their descendants) are obviously risky as fuck. >> Better to source privately if possible. > > Simple rule: Cop only from people you know, and don't eat anything they > have not already. That is of course prudent advice :) However, it is possible to test unknowns safely enough. You start with an extremely low dose. Perhaps 1% of the purported normal dose. And then retest at higher dosages. A reasonable set of dosages might be 1%, 2%, 5%, 10%, 20%, 50% and 100%. Or more, if you like. See PiHKAL and TiHKAL :) He started with untested compounds. Albert Hofmann did get gobsmacked, I admit. But it didn't kill him. I once inadvertently took a few milligrams of LSD. It was indeed intense, but no more than some DMT experiences. Did last a lot longer, though. >>> >>> Milligrams ? Are you sure you don't mean micrograms - a dose of LSD is >>> ussually 10 micrograms. If you did take milligrams it would litterally >>> have been a few hundred hits of acid. The most i have heard about people >>> taking is 10 hits. >> >> Back in the day, the typical decent dose was ~250 micrograms. 4000 hits >> per gram was the gold standard. But of course, as a mid-level dealer, >> you never got crystalline LSD. You got a solution in absolute ethanol, >> in sealed glass break-neck ampules. >> >> So basically, I bought a quarter gram, and fucked up diluting the stuff, >> before making my test samples. So instead of 250 micrograms, I took a >> sample that nominally contained ~5 milligrams, or 20 doses. But >> fortunately, I corrected the error before anyone else tried it :) >> >> My typical dose was 500-1000 micrograms, so this was only 5-10 times >> normal. And my tolerance was probably pretty high, as well. >> > > I got the numbers wrong. > > I had a friend in college who had to take 10 hits just to get off. > He was a Cellist who loved to play heavy metal on his cello. What a trip :) Have you heard/seen Seemann,[0] by Apocalyptica with Nina Hagen? And then, there's Nina on acid on Letterman.[1] 0) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAlVF7lYKL8 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEGsTUY8YQo > I guess not so bad. My longest trip was 3 days. On Jimson Weed. Yeah. I tried smoking that once, but nothing. So it goes. > "Stoned on some new potion he found upon the wall of some unholy > bathroom in some ungodly hall" all too accurately describes people who > buy WTF-ever from darknet vendors. Same shit, different decade. > > :o/ >>> >>> >> > >
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On 09/05/2017 10:39 PM, Mirimir wrote: > On 09/05/2017 02:56 PM, Marina Brown wrote: >> On 09/05/2017 09:14 PM, Mirimir wrote: >>> On 09/05/2017 08:38 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: On 09/05/2017 12:54 PM, John Newman wrote: > > >> On Sep 3, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Mirimirwrote: >> >>> On 09/03/2017 12:05 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: >>> >>> On 09/02/2017 09:06 PM, grarpamp wrote: A "store" for SK's top 10% wealth transfer? Lol, designed. Less time hobbled on "psychedelics". More time on "revolutin". Or at least gettin hippie dirty, jiggystyle. Crypto rave, on. >> Reportedly good blotter has been available on SR etc. >> > > On SR, then alphabay - excellent mdma also. > > These services (well, their descendants) are obviously risky as fuck. > Better to source privately if possible. Simple rule: Cop only from people you know, and don't eat anything they have not already. >>> >>> That is of course prudent advice :) >>> >>> However, it is possible to test unknowns safely enough. You start with >>> an extremely low dose. Perhaps 1% of the purported normal dose. And then >>> retest at higher dosages. A reasonable set of dosages might be 1%, 2%, >>> 5%, 10%, 20%, 50% and 100%. Or more, if you like. >>> >>> See PiHKAL and TiHKAL :) He started with untested compounds. >>> >>> Albert Hofmann did get gobsmacked, I admit. But it didn't kill him. I >>> once inadvertently took a few milligrams of LSD. It was indeed intense, >>> but no more than some DMT experiences. Did last a lot longer, though. >>> >> >> Milligrams ? Are you sure you don't mean micrograms - a dose of LSD is >> ussually 10 micrograms. If you did take milligrams it would litterally >> have been a few hundred hits of acid. The most i have heard about people >> taking is 10 hits. > > Back in the day, the typical decent dose was ~250 micrograms. 4000 hits > per gram was the gold standard. But of course, as a mid-level dealer, > you never got crystalline LSD. You got a solution in absolute ethanol, > in sealed glass break-neck ampules. > > So basically, I bought a quarter gram, and fucked up diluting the stuff, > before making my test samples. So instead of 250 micrograms, I took a > sample that nominally contained ~5 milligrams, or 20 doses. But > fortunately, I corrected the error before anyone else tried it :) > > My typical dose was 500-1000 micrograms, so this was only 5-10 times > normal. And my tolerance was probably pretty high, as well. > I got the numbers wrong. I had a friend in college who had to take 10 hits just to get off. He was a Cellist who loved to play heavy metal on his cello. I guess not so bad. My longest trip was 3 days. On Jimson Weed. "Stoned on some new potion he found upon the wall of some unholy bathroom in some ungodly hall" all too accurately describes people who buy WTF-ever from darknet vendors. Same shit, different decade. :o/ >>> >> >> >
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On 09/05/2017 02:56 PM, Marina Brown wrote: > On 09/05/2017 09:14 PM, Mirimir wrote: >> On 09/05/2017 08:38 AM, Steve Kinney wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 09/05/2017 12:54 PM, John Newman wrote: > On Sep 3, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Mirimirwrote: > >> On 09/03/2017 12:05 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: >> >> >>> On 09/02/2017 09:06 PM, grarpamp wrote: >>> A "store" for SK's top 10% wealth transfer? Lol, designed. >>> Less time hobbled on "psychedelics". >>> More time on "revolutin". >>> Or at least gettin hippie dirty, jiggystyle. >>> Crypto rave, on. >>> >>> > Reportedly good blotter has been available on SR etc. > On SR, then alphabay - excellent mdma also. These services (well, their descendants) are obviously risky as fuck. Better to source privately if possible. >>> >>> Simple rule: Cop only from people you know, and don't eat anything they >>> have not already. >> >> That is of course prudent advice :) >> >> However, it is possible to test unknowns safely enough. You start with >> an extremely low dose. Perhaps 1% of the purported normal dose. And then >> retest at higher dosages. A reasonable set of dosages might be 1%, 2%, >> 5%, 10%, 20%, 50% and 100%. Or more, if you like. >> >> See PiHKAL and TiHKAL :) He started with untested compounds. >> >> Albert Hofmann did get gobsmacked, I admit. But it didn't kill him. I >> once inadvertently took a few milligrams of LSD. It was indeed intense, >> but no more than some DMT experiences. Did last a lot longer, though. >> > > Milligrams ? Are you sure you don't mean micrograms - a dose of LSD is > ussually 10 micrograms. If you did take milligrams it would litterally > have been a few hundred hits of acid. The most i have heard about people > taking is 10 hits. Back in the day, the typical decent dose was ~250 micrograms. 4000 hits per gram was the gold standard. But of course, as a mid-level dealer, you never got crystalline LSD. You got a solution in absolute ethanol, in sealed glass break-neck ampules. So basically, I bought a quarter gram, and fucked up diluting the stuff, before making my test samples. So instead of 250 micrograms, I took a sample that nominally contained ~5 milligrams, or 20 doses. But fortunately, I corrected the error before anyone else tried it :) My typical dose was 500-1000 micrograms, so this was only 5-10 times normal. And my tolerance was probably pretty high, as well. >>> "Stoned on some new potion he found upon the wall of some unholy >>> bathroom in some ungodly hall" all too accurately describes people who >>> buy WTF-ever from darknet vendors. Same shit, different decade. >>> >>> :o/ >> > >
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On 09/05/2017 12:54 PM, John Newman wrote: > > >> On Sep 3, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Mirimirwrote: >> >>> On 09/03/2017 12:05 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: >>> >>> On 09/02/2017 09:06 PM, grarpamp wrote: A "store" for SK's top 10% wealth transfer? Lol, designed. Less time hobbled on "psychedelics". More time on "revolutin". Or at least gettin hippie dirty, jiggystyle. Crypto rave, on. >> Reportedly good blotter has been available on SR etc. >> > > On SR, then alphabay - excellent mdma also. > > These services (well, their descendants) are obviously risky as fuck. > Better to source privately if possible. Simple rule: Cop only from people you know, and don't eat anything they have not already. "Stoned on some new potion he found upon the wall of some unholy bathroom in some ungodly hall" all too accurately describes people who buy WTF-ever from darknet vendors. Same shit, different decade. :o/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
> On Sep 3, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Mirimirwrote: > >> On 09/03/2017 12:05 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: >> >> >>> On 09/02/2017 09:06 PM, grarpamp wrote: >>> A "store" for SK's top 10% wealth transfer? Lol, designed. >>> Less time hobbled on "psychedelics". >>> More time on "revolutin". >>> Or at least gettin hippie dirty, jiggystyle. >>> Crypto rave, on. >> >> As an unwitting participant in either one of the last MKULTRA era >> experiments, or an independent M.D.'s "good deed for the day," I have a >> special relationship with LSD: I got microdosed twice a week for six >> weeks in 1972, and that experience went a long way toward making me >> whatever the fuck I am today. A few years later I thought I was taking >> LSD for the first time... but then came the "Hello old friend!" moment. > > Woah. So do you remember, back in 1972, what you thought was happening? > > And yes, that acid come on is unmistakable ;) > >> Never underestimate the power of the psychedelics: Our de facto masters >> don't, and that is why LSD is on the very short list of illegal drugs >> not readily available to anyone who goes looking. Everybody who's hip >> to the jive /says/ they can get acid, but ask if it's real and they look >> at their shoes and mumble. ... > > Reportedly good blotter has been available on SR etc. > On SR, then alphabay - excellent mdma also. These services (well, their descendants) are obviously risky as fuck. Better to source privately if possible. > I still have some from the 80s. I sealed lots of blotter in evacuated > glass ampules. It's been frozen since, at -20°C or less. On dry ice when > I've moved. I last tried some about ten years ago, and it was fine. > >
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On 09/04/2017 01:06 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: > > On 09/04/2017 11:00 AM, Razer wrote: >> >> On 09/03/2017 04:34 PM, jim bell wrote: >>> BZ (Quinuclidinyl Benzilate) is far easier to make than LSD, a dose >>> typically 2 milligram compared to LSD's 200 microgram. I've read >>> that the 'trip' lasts 3 days. >> >> ... says someone who never took STP. A 3 day peak and a total burn out. >> BZ was intended to be an INCAPACITATING AGENT, not a psychotropic. >> Everyone knew that by 1968 and very few people actually ever used it. >> >> Rr > Surveys of the literature have found no descriptions of "bad trips" > resulting from administration of LSD STP was a whole 'nother thing. The 'trip' was described somewhere (I think Abbie Hoffman in Revolution for the Hell of It) as 'long and juiceless' ... > in a clinical setting, which > included subjects with diagnosed mental illnesses, and studies using > very large doses. The classic "bad trip" first appeared in the wild > right on time to support the Federally sponsored full-saturation > domestic propaganda campaign against LSD. > > Did the CIA murder Art Linkletter's daughter? Maybe not her in > particular, on purpose. But whoever made the alleged "LSD" she took > before diving out of a high window did. and her suicide was a huge > stroke of luck for the folks tasked to sell the public on a completely > false version of what LSD is and does. > >> Ps. I have problems with MDMA as an 'analogue' to LSD. MDMA is >> methamphetamine based and although it exhibits certain >> psychedeic-experience-like properties, it's still Meth, and the long >> term effect of it's use, if not as dramatic (usually), IS similar. > When hearings were held to determine what schedule to put MDMA on, > clinical researchers who testified described it was uniquely useful; > they found it got stubbornly uncommunicative patients talking, and > enabled therapists to build useful rapport with them very quickly. > Their verdict was unanimous: This is Good Shit, we wants it yes we > does. Then the DEA guise gave their testimony, mostly a recitation of > War On Drugs propaganda talking points originally created for LSD, and > so MDMA was put on Schedule I. It's METHAMPHETAMINE, which also has clinical uses. Raving till you chew thru your pacifier and drop from dehydration isn't 'clinical'. Just sayin'. I knew the people who distrubuted MDA on the East Coast in the 60s and MDA had the same deleterious effects from long term usage. AFAICT LSD had no effects that would be noted by psychologists or behavioral therapists as 'deleterious'. By 1969 or 1970, or 71, or so, most of what was passed off as LSD was either ALD-52 or MDA, or some other designer drug. When LSD became illegal in the US not only did the feds immediately clamp down on all the organic resources such as Ergotamine Tartrate, indole, and other items necessary for LSD production (A special # Sylvania blue bulb was necessary at one point in it's manufacture. IMAGINE what would happen if a lighting house received an oddball order for a few), as was noted at the time in the underground newspapers, many of the supply houses WERE THE FEDS, and they used the mailing lists quite effectively to shut down labs. You might want to listen to this... From one of Owsley's close personal friends, on his passing. March 15 2011 Travus T. Hipp Morning News & Commentary: Owsley, The Man Who 'Changed The Minds' Of An Entire Generation... Literally... Passes https://archive.org/details/tth_110315 Owsley wasn't a chemist you know... He was a speedfreak. His GF was an organic chemist, and as is so succinctly pointed out here, what made Owsley the 'name you could trust' in LSD, was he actually tried the shit before he sold it. Most of what was passed off as L was made by scumbags not far removed from the Mafia (Brotherhood of Eternal Light at their former missile silo in was it Nebraska?). The Mafia LUVS chemicals. Easy to transport unlike bulky stinky weed, and the one thing I noted in my experience in NY, when ever you got around L dealers, you started seeing guns, and people who looked A LOT like feds. > > MDMA has been described as an "empathogen," knocking down social anxiety > and replacing it, temporarily, with trust, confidence, and a (transient) > sense of strong social bonding with "just whoever happens to be there." As you described it, "empathogen,", it has certain SPECIFIC effects, just like every other ordinary pharmaceutical, and just because you feel all lovey dovey DOES NOT NOR HAS IT EVER MEANT, you 'explored your inner space'. The phrase "Adjunct to Psychotherapy" come to mind. Tripping with a bunch of people who are just like wow I love you groovy then they go back to my day job slicing throats at some corporate hack job or another, doesn't, and WHERE IS THE "GUIDANCE"? It's the hedonists leading the hedonists down the rosy path to... I dunno. Running into a fire at "burning man" or some stupid thing like that. > I speculate
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On 09/04/2017 11:00 AM, Razer wrote: > > > On 09/03/2017 04:34 PM, jim bell wrote: >> >> BZ (Quinuclidinyl Benzilate) is far easier to make than LSD, a dose >> typically 2 milligram compared to LSD's 200 microgram. I've read >> that the 'trip' lasts 3 days. > > > ... says someone who never took STP. A 3 day peak and a total burn out. > BZ was intended to be an INCAPACITATING AGENT, not a psychotropic. > Everyone knew that by 1968 and very few people actually ever used it. > > Rr Surveys of the literature have found no descriptions of "bad trips" resulting from administration of LSD in a clinical setting, which included subjects with diagnosed mental illnesses, and studies using very large doses. The classic "bad trip" first appeared in the wild right on time to support the Federally sponsored full-saturation domestic propaganda campaign against LSD. Did the CIA murder Art Linkletter's daughter? Maybe not her in particular, on purpose. But whoever made the alleged "LSD" she took before diving out of a high window did. and her suicide was a huge stroke of luck for the folks tasked to sell the public on a completely false version of what LSD is and does. > Ps. I have problems with MDMA as an 'analogue' to LSD. MDMA is > methamphetamine based and although it exhibits certain > psychedeic-experience-like properties, it's still Meth, and the long > term effect of it's use, if not as dramatic (usually), IS similar. When hearings were held to determine what schedule to put MDMA on, clinical researchers who testified described it was uniquely useful; they found it got stubbornly uncommunicative patients talking, and enabled therapists to build useful rapport with them very quickly. Their verdict was unanimous: This is Good Shit, we wants it yes we does. Then the DEA guise gave their testimony, mostly a recitation of War On Drugs propaganda talking points originally created for LSD, and so MDMA was put on Schedule I. MDMA has been described as an "empathogen," knocking down social anxiety and replacing it, temporarily, with trust, confidence, and a (transient) sense of strong social bonding with "just whoever happens to be there." I speculate that the Feds chose to suppress MDMA both because of unwanted macro scale social impacts, and because its obvious intelligence tradecraft applications (elicitation of information, agent development & recruitment) do not belong in "private" hands. Today's "ecstasy" a.k.a. X contains no MDMA but typically does contain amphetamine, heroin, and one or more "designer" drugs to tweak the experience this way or that. Mixing that crap with alcohol can knock a person right down (this I have seen in real life) and respiratory arrest sometimes follows. :o/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On 09/03/2017 04:34 PM, jim bell wrote: > > BZ (Quinuclidinyl Benzilate) is far easier to make than LSD, a dose > typically 2 milligram compared to LSD's 200 microgram. I've read > that the 'trip' lasts 3 days. ... says someone who never took STP. A 3 day peak and a total burn out. BZ was intended to be an INCAPACITATING AGENT, not a psychotropic. Everyone knew that by 1968 and very few people actually ever used it. Rr Ps. I have problems with MDMA as an 'analogue' to LSD. MDMA is methamphetamine based and although it exhibits certain psychedeic-experience-like properties, it's still Meth, and the long term effect of it's use, if not as dramatic (usually), IS similar.
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On 09/03/2017 09:47 PM, Mirimir wrote: > On 09/03/2017 12:05 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: >> >> >> On 09/02/2017 09:06 PM, grarpamp wrote: >>> A "store" for SK's top 10% wealth transfer? Lol, designed. >>> Less time hobbled on "psychedelics". >>> More time on "revolutin". >>> Or at least gettin hippie dirty, jiggystyle. >>> Crypto rave, on. >> >> As an unwitting participant in either one of the last MKULTRA era >> experiments, or an independent M.D.'s "good deed for the day," I have a >> special relationship with LSD: I got microdosed twice a week for six >> weeks in 1972, and that experience went a long way toward making me >> whatever the fuck I am today. A few years later I thought I was taking >> LSD for the first time... but then came the "Hello old friend!" moment. > > Woah. So do you remember, back in 1972, what you thought was happening? > > And yes, that acid come on is unmistakable ;) I was told at the time that the medication in question contained a "stimulant" and that it might make me feel "funny," but not to worry about it, it would wear off in a few hours and I would eventually get used to it. I did not so much get used to it, as start really looking forward to it. When the second batch arrived, click, nothing. No effect. Along about that time I started to question literally everything, including the nature of reality itself. I can't say the experience affected my core values - for instance I was already dead set against war, regardless of excuses offered, and got in trouble from time to time for not bothering to observe "color lines" on the playground etc. But I suspect the LSD did have a radicalizing effect, in the literal sense of that word: It directed my attention to the fundamentals that define a person's life and the structure of events in the larger world. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On Sun, Sep 03, 2017 at 03:34:24PM -1100, Mirimir wrote: > On 09/03/2017 03:19 PM, grarpamp wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Mirimirwrote: > >> Reportedly good blotter has been available on SR etc. > > > > Though not as popular a poison, there always seem to be > > a small number of well regarded vendors in such markets. > > A little disposable crypto cash and a maildrop is all it takes > > to run your own tests. > > Yes. I recall a few blog posts about such tests :) O M G, you guys are humans doing things humans tend to do ?!? Naughty naughty!
Re: Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On Sun, Sep 03, 2017 at 11:34:01PM +, jim bell wrote: > On Sunday, September 3, 2017, 4:07:00 PM PDT, Steve Kinney >wrote: > > > On 09/02/2017 09:06 PM, grarpamp wrote: > > A "store" for SK's top 10% wealth transfer? Lol, designed. > > Less time hobbled on "psychedelics". > > More time on "revolutin". > > Or at least gettin hippie dirty, jiggystyle. > > Crypto rave, on. > > >As an unwitting participant in either one of the last MKULTRA era > experiments, or an independent M.D.'s "good deed for the day," I have a > special relationship with LSD: I got microdosed twice a week for six > weeks in 1972, and that experience went a long way toward making me > whatever the fuck I am today. A few years later I thought I was taking > LSD for the first time... but then came the "Hello old friend!" moment.[end > of quote] > > > Check out the movie "Jacob's Ladder", > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJztRnDxdM8 Movie trailer. > http://pages.uoregon.edu/munno/OregonCourses/REL253F12/REL253Notes/BZStory.htm > > > BZ (Quinuclidinyl Benzilate) is far easier to make than LSD, a dose typically > 2 milligram compared to LSD's 200 microgram. I've read that the 'trip' > lasts 3 days. > The US Military experimented with BZ in the 1950's, in a project called > "Operation Blue Skies". > http://pages.uoregon.edu/munno/OregonCourses/REL253F12/REL253Notes/BZStory.htm > > > Jim Bell > [For some reason, this idiot Yahoo mail client isn't letting me convert these > URL's into clickable links.] WHAOH, DUDE! I can read your emails :D :) Those couple blank lines really work - thanks for that, really appreciated :) (And BTW, at least in my MUA, I can click plain links no worries - straight up in $BROWSER_OF_CHOICE - some X terminals are rather featureful.)
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On 09/03/2017 03:19 PM, grarpamp wrote: > On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Mirimirwrote: >> Reportedly good blotter has been available on SR etc. > > Though not as popular a poison, there always seem to be > a small number of well regarded vendors in such markets. > A little disposable crypto cash and a maildrop is all it takes > to run your own tests. Yes. I recall a few blog posts about such tests :)
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Mirimirwrote: > Reportedly good blotter has been available on SR etc. Though not as popular a poison, there always seem to be a small number of well regarded vendors in such markets. A little disposable crypto cash and a maildrop is all it takes to run your own tests.
Re: Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On Sunday, September 3, 2017, 4:07:00 PM PDT, Steve Kinneywrote: On 09/02/2017 09:06 PM, grarpamp wrote: > A "store" for SK's top 10% wealth transfer? Lol, designed. > Less time hobbled on "psychedelics". > More time on "revolutin". > Or at least gettin hippie dirty, jiggystyle. > Crypto rave, on. >As an unwitting participant in either one of the last MKULTRA era experiments, or an independent M.D.'s "good deed for the day," I have a special relationship with LSD: I got microdosed twice a week for six weeks in 1972, and that experience went a long way toward making me whatever the fuck I am today. A few years later I thought I was taking LSD for the first time... but then came the "Hello old friend!" moment.[end of quote] Check out the movie "Jacob's Ladder", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJztRnDxdM8 Movie trailer. http://pages.uoregon.edu/munno/OregonCourses/REL253F12/REL253Notes/BZStory.htm BZ (Quinuclidinyl Benzilate) is far easier to make than LSD, a dose typically 2 milligram compared to LSD's 200 microgram. I've read that the 'trip' lasts 3 days. The US Military experimented with BZ in the 1950's, in a project called "Operation Blue Skies". http://pages.uoregon.edu/munno/OregonCourses/REL253F12/REL253Notes/BZStory.htm Jim Bell [For some reason, this idiot Yahoo mail client isn't letting me convert these URL's into clickable links.]
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On 09/02/2017 09:06 PM, grarpamp wrote: > A "store" for SK's top 10% wealth transfer? Lol, designed. > Less time hobbled on "psychedelics". > More time on "revolutin". > Or at least gettin hippie dirty, jiggystyle. > Crypto rave, on. As an unwitting participant in either one of the last MKULTRA era experiments, or an independent M.D.'s "good deed for the day," I have a special relationship with LSD: I got microdosed twice a week for six weeks in 1972, and that experience went a long way toward making me whatever the fuck I am today. A few years later I thought I was taking LSD for the first time... but then came the "Hello old friend!" moment. Never underestimate the power of the psychedelics: Our de facto masters don't, and that is why LSD is on the very short list of illegal drugs not readily available to anyone who goes looking. Everybody who's hip to the jive /says/ they can get acid, but ask if it's real and they look at their shoes and mumble. MDMA is the only other example that comes to mind at the moment, and it is seriously prohibited for the same reasons as LSD: Its effect on the individual users' cognitive and emotional development, and potential aggregate impact on social and political norms, is Not Wanted: Better every American who is willing and able should be using heroin - which BTW is typically included in the fake MDMA that is readily available everywhere in the U.S. Once upon a time, a misplaced decimal point in a report received by the CIA made it appear that the Soviet researchers had ordered hundreds of thousands of doses of LSD from its sole source, Sandoz. Nobody at CIA had heard of LSD, but the literature indicated that it was believed to have unique potentials for research and therapeutic purposes. This made the huge order from Russia look very significant. The propaganda meme of "Communist Brainwashing" was still current as an explanation for U.S. prisoners in North Korea confessing to war crimes. In a strange example of blowback, this myth prompted the CIA to attempt to duplicate "brainwashing" themselves. In the 1950s, LSD was being studied by psychiatrists and psychologists who believed it could produce breakthroughs in treatment of intractable mental illnesses. Russia's supposedly HUGE order for LSD made it appear that they had found a very important practical application for it, maybe even as a tool for "brainwashing." So the CIA cut a deal with Sandoz: They placed an even larger order themselves, as part of an agreement that Sandoz would sell exclusively to the CIA. This is how the MKULTRA we know and love was born. The spooks were up to their ears in acid and had no idea what it was for, so they started giving LSD to a broad cross section of people in various situations just to see what would happen, and unleashed all the Mad Scientists they could interest in the subject with carte blanche to do whatever it took to find out what LSD does and how to weaponize it. It turned out that the only significant military application for LSD was as a disabling agent producing temporary confusion, disorientation and loss of focus on structured tasks. Pharmacological research beginning with the study of LSD eventually yielded a family of nerve agents that produce instant, persistent paranoid psychosis: BZ, DZ and others which are still in the inventories of various services. Academics employed by the MKULTRA program through front organizations included Tim Leary and Richard Alpert, who did the now classic studies defining the "psychedelic effect." Long story short, the LSD experience can permanently affect a person's subjective frame of reference, moving it in the direction of empathy, compassion and creativity. Worst of all, from an intelligence service viewpoint, LSD can cause indoctrinated neurotic complexes to collapse "of their own accord." So LSD turned out to be worse than useless to the CIA: The psychedelic effect works directly against the mission profile loosely described as "brainwashing," at every scale from individual targets to whole national populations. By the mid-1960s a decision was taken to actively suppress the use of LSD, and soon after batches of LSD poisoned with nerve agents similar to those mentioned above made their way into underground supply chains. The full spectrum of domestic propaganda assets were engaged to assure the successful demonization of LSD. The last time I checked, simple possession of LSD was a Federal felony carrying a minimum mandatory 10 year prison sentence. One should not over-estimate the beneficial impacts of LSD: It is no panacea. Users whose "set and setting" for the LSD experience is escapist thrill-seeking usually realize little or no measurable benefit, no matter how much they use or how often. But in the hands of people already committed to self examination - or so oriented by structured activities such as religious services or psychotherapy while "tripping" - LSD works like dynamite: It clears
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
https://libcom.org/library/poverty-hip-life A pro-situ critique of "hippie" life written by Contradiction in April 1972. Best critique I've read so far on the 60's hippie culture. On 09/03/2017 04:04 AM, grarpamp wrote: > Hobbled is distinctly descriptive. > If one gets up and acts, even if in limited time luminary fashion, > that's less than abjectly hobbled. > Now, out... to ride me high horse in plainly hobbled fashion ;) > Didn't Paul Revere ride horses... them effin rebels.
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
Hobbled is distinctly descriptive. If one gets up and acts, even if in limited time luminary fashion, that's less than abjectly hobbled. Now, out... to ride me high horse in plainly hobbled fashion ;) Didn't Paul Revere ride horses... them effin rebels.
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
On 09/02/2017 10:12 AM, Razer wrote: > > > On 09/02/2017 12:41 AM, grarpamp wrote (b/c the original poster is shitcanned > at > the server): >>> \0xd: >>> Yeah, humans are both the cause and the cure. The major source of >>> inadequacy in THIS population (crypto-anarchists) is the failure to >>> examine why the 60's failed to produce the revolution it desired. It >>> had love, peace, and an awesome soundtrack -- yet it failed. > > > What makes this troll think the 60s failed to produce it's revolution? > > 'Any time you walk into a store and see something advertised as "Psychedelic" > YOU KNOW the 60s had an effect on America.' ~Frank Zappa (paraphrased) Well, the US did bail on Viet Nam. And casual fucking did become far more popular. And food coops went mainstream. And homosexuality became acceptable. And marijuana is legal in several states. And damn, are the Dead still touring? Or some offshoot/residue, at least? > The troll is operating under the assumption it was going to be a COMMIE > ree-vol-lewshun or sumpthin'. Soviet efforts aside, hippies were mostly into sex, drugs and music :) > Speaking of the 60s, Commie Ree-vol-lewshuns, etc... > > Weather Underground Members Speak Out on the Media, Imperialism and > Solidarity > in the Age of Trump > > Interviews By Dahr Jamail August 30 2017, TruthOut: > http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/41746-weather-underground-speak-out-on-the-media-imperialism-and-solidarity-in-the-age-of-trump > > It ain't over till the fat pig squeals... > > One like this. > > > > > Photo: Czechago pig takes an swing at a NY TImes photog. Democratic > Convention 1968 Hey, Trump = Pigasus ;) That always was slaughterhouse humor. >> 60s quite possibly... >> Too much drugs, violence, disorganization... >> And unencrypted tappable mail, phone, bank lines... >
Re: Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
A "store" for SK's top 10% wealth transfer? Lol, designed. Less time hobbled on "psychedelics". More time on "revolutin". Or at least gettin hippie dirty, jiggystyle. Crypto rave, on.
Cypherpunk Inadequacies / Why the 60's failed
> \0xd: > Yeah, humans are both the cause and the cure. The major source of > inadequacy in THIS population (crypto-anarchists) is the failure to > examine why the 60's failed to produce the revolution it desired. It > had love, peace, and an awesome soundtrack -- yet it failed. 60s quite possibly... Too much drugs, violence, disorganization... And unencrypted tappable mail, phone, bank lines...