Re: George Galloway lets it rip re Julian Assange -- Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange
On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 06:29:28AM -0500, John Young wrote: > WikiLeaks/Assange is primarily a source not a journalist and journalists > customarily sacrifice sources to save themselves. > > Assange in the early days of WikiLeaks was harshly critical of journalists and > adopted the journalist cloak when journalists joined the org and shit started > to come down. > > WikiLeaks has sacrificed sources to save itself. But like journalists > continues to claim it protects sources in order to keep leaks coming in. > Also > contacts authorities for approval like journalists, redacts documents, hustles > for funding If that's all true, TPTB should have just worked with Assange. But instead they crucify Assange. When the many (true) WL competitors come, they will be far from so compliant. > reportedly now in the millions of dollars, brays about its public > service, avidly advertises itself, breaks laws under guise of constitutional > privilege, etc.
Re: George Galloway lets it rip re Julian Assange -- Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange
How about some WL competition then - multiple cryptomes, drops, jurisdictions, federations, operators? On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 06:29:28AM -0500, John Young wrote: > WikiLeaks/Assange is primarily a source not a journalist and journalists > customarily sacrifice sources to save themselves. > > Assange in the early days of WikiLeaks was harshly critical of journalists and > adopted the journalist cloak when journalists joined the org and shit started > to come down. > > WikiLeaks has sacrificed sources to save itself. But like journalists > continues to claim it protects sources in order to keep leaks coming in. Also > contacts authorities for approval like journalists, redacts documents, hustles > for funding reportedly now in the millions of dollars, brays about its public > service, avidly advertises itself, breaks laws under guise of constitutional > privilege, etc. "breaks laws under guise of constitutional privilege" - generalized lip is just slander John - you of all people should know this! If you want to help raise the consciousness generally, we need to start getting specific about what's right, and what's wrong (and that's sometimes a personal thing/assessment, so be it - this is a bloody anarchist list after all!) Underhanded (facts not named) and generalised beef, is just slander. > Assanges's sexual predation Repeating MSM slander is limp in the extreme, dude! Seriously John, since you've repeated this particular slanderous claim a number of times now, put up some evidence or stfu on this one - if "sexual predation" by Assange existed, we can fairly assume in the face of the Swedish bullshit "legal process" against Assange to date, that "Assange sexual predation" would have been loudly and publicly displayed, and it has not, thus leaving the Empire looking extraordinarily petty and vindictive. If you have the dirt, strut your stuff if that's your style. "With friends like us" though... > like celebrities is same as that of star > journalists, which stardom is hardly the norm for grunts of low-paid > journalists who hate investors, publishers, editors and stars. There are stars, for whatever reasons, and there are grunts. Get the firetruck over it. Choose your own pathway. Suggest improvements to others. But bitching about Assange where he cannot respond/defend himself, and without substantive fact, is simply John's Opinion Porn, come and get it, straight off John's Opinion Press. > WikiLeaks originally promised public participation of a wiki but within months > it was revealed to be an Assange promotional tool, heirarchical, high-handed, > censorious, secret, cultish. Now wealthy as MSM. There is no shortage of alternates in wiki/git/rsync/etc software, for you/I/others to roll out "better". This is a do-ocracy, not a complaint-ocracy. > WikiLeaks remains a valuable public resource but needs to shed Assange, > secrecy, con artistry, obnoxious promotion by celebrity defenders out to > promote themselves. It was intended to be an alternative to commercial > journalism but lost its way due to Assange's misbehavior even now being > glamorized, way too many vulgarians cheering his performance. His stand is way beyond the will of most humans. And beyond the understanding of most. > Fuck the glamorizers, free Assange from their clutches, they will abandon him > when appropriate for their own protection. Some will, some won't - we saw that with the Tor compromats, now fully CIA cucked, Applebaum delivered a public flogging. Humans are human - not so many have a will to loyalty, discovering those is a quest worthy! Create your world brother, > At 05:40 AM 2/29/2020, you wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 05:30:30AM -0500, grarpamp wrote: > > > https://twitter.com/defendassange > > > https://twitter.com/wikileaks > > > https://defend.wikileaks.org/category/news > > > > > > https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/ > > > https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/en/resources.html > > > https://wikileaks.org/gitmo/ > > > > > > Julian Assange > > > Chelsea Manning > > > Edward Snowden > > > Reality Winner > > > ... > > > > > > Hundreds of names, all bc govt trying to save its sorry ass. > > > No one really wants it. End it already. > > > > > > #FreeAssange > > > > > > George Galloway - a man who actually uses his (media) platform for the "in > > principle" it is intended for - speaking truth to power. > > > > > > WATCH: One of Best Orators Alive, UK Politician George Galloway, > > Electrifying Speech on Lynching of Assange > > https://russia-insider.com/en/watch-one-best-orators-alive-uk-politician-george-galloway-electrifying-speech-lynching-assange > > https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FGeorgeGallowayOfficial%2Fvideos%2F1641329726020815%2F > > > > (Transcript in Russia-Insider.com link above has a few mistakes, for those > > who prefer to read... but strongly recommend watching - inspiring, and
Re: George Galloway lets it rip re Julian Assange -- Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange
On 2/29/20, John Young wrote: > ... Years before every commercial fake journo rolled a SecureDrop to vacuum up and never publish leaks, WL (and a few others to their credit) were the only pubs in town, with WL flashing that hot new style. WL's vacuum most likely hasn't yet dumped all what got sucked into its old lode. Styles often come back, but hardly ever quite the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrWud7T8q5A
Re: George Galloway lets it rip re Julian Assange -- Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange
WikiLeaks/Assange is primarily a source not a journalist and journalists customarily sacrifice sources to save themselves. Assange in the early days of WikiLeaks was harshly critical of journalists and adopted the journalist cloak when journalists joined the org and shit started to come down. WikiLeaks has sacrificed sources to save itself. But like journalists continues to claim it protects sources in order to keep leaks coming in. Also contacts authorities for approval like journalists, redacts documents, hustles for funding reportedly now in the millions of dollars, brays about its public service, avidly advertises itself, breaks laws under guise of constitutional privilege, etc. Assanges's sexual predation like celebrities is same as that of star journalists, which stardom is hardly the norm for grunts of low-paid journalists who hate investors, publishers, editors and stars. WikiLeaks originally promised public participation of a wiki but within months it was revealed to be an Assange promotional tool, heirarchical, high-handed, censorious, secret, cultish. Now wealthy as MSM. WikiLeaks remains a valuable public resource but needs to shed Assange, secrecy, con artistry, obnoxious promotion by celebrity defenders out to promote themselves. It was intended to be an alternative to commercial journalism but lost its way due to Assange's misbehavior even now being glamorized, way too many vulgarians cheering his performance. Fuck the glamorizers, free Assange from their clutches, they will abandon him when appropriate for their own protection. At 05:40 AM 2/29/2020, you wrote: On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 05:30:30AM -0500, grarpamp wrote: > https://twitter.com/defendassange > https://twitter.com/wikileaks > https://defend.wikileaks.org/category/news > > https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/ > https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/en/resources.html > https://wikileaks.org/gitmo/ > > Julian Assange > Chelsea Manning > Edward Snowden > Reality Winner > ... > > Hundreds of names, all bc govt trying to save its sorry ass. > No one really wants it. End it already. > > #FreeAssange George Galloway - a man who actually uses his (media) platform for the "in principle" it is intended for - speaking truth to power. WATCH: One of Best Orators Alive, UK Politician George Galloway, Electrifying Speech on Lynching of Assange https://russia-insider.com/en/watch-one-best-orators-alive-uk-politician-george-galloway-electrifying-speech-lynching-assange https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FGeorgeGallowayOfficial%2Fvideos%2F1641329726020815%2F (Transcript in Russia-Insider.com link above has a few mistakes, for those who prefer to read... but strongly recommend watching - inspiring, and only ~14 minutes and ~20MiB) A few quotes from the transcript: "Who cannot tremble with indignation at the idea that the man that blew the whistle on the war crimes is in Belmarsh and the war criminals are on the BBC and ITV and raking in millions and millions and millions and millions of pounds." "If you cannot tremble with indignation, any injustice anywhere, you're not a human being. You have no pulse and you have no soul." "This church should be bulging with journalists because if they had any intention of actually doing their job. What is happening to Julian Assange is a mortal danger to them. It's a knife at their heart. It's a sword of Damocles hanging over their heads. If they ever intended to actually be journalists. But of course, the truth is, most of them have sold whatever soul they had just for a ribbon to put on their coat, just for a shilling or two. They have abandoned any claim of moral authority. These are the people that lecture us."
Re: George Galloway lets it rip re Julian Assange -- Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange
On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 09:40:33PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 05:30:30AM -0500, grarpamp wrote: > > https://twitter.com/defendassange > > https://twitter.com/wikileaks > > https://defend.wikileaks.org/category/news > > > > https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/ > > https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/en/resources.html > > https://wikileaks.org/gitmo/ > > > > Julian Assange > > Chelsea Manning > > Edward Snowden > > Reality Winner > > ... > > > > Hundreds of names, all bc govt trying to save its sorry ass. > > No one really wants it. End it already. > > > > #FreeAssange > > > George Galloway - a man who actually uses his (media) platform for the "in > principle" it is intended for - speaking truth to power. > > > WATCH: One of Best Orators Alive, UK Politician George Galloway, Electrifying > Speech on Lynching of Assange > https://russia-insider.com/en/watch-one-best-orators-alive-uk-politician-george-galloway-electrifying-speech-lynching-assange > https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FGeorgeGallowayOfficial%2Fvideos%2F1641329726020815%2F > > (Transcript in Russia-Insider.com link above has a few mistakes, for those > who prefer to read... but strongly recommend watching - inspiring, and only > ~14 minutes and ~20MiB) > > > A few quotes from the transcript: > > "Who cannot tremble with indignation at the idea that the man that blew the > whistle on the war crimes is in Belmarsh and the war criminals are on the BBC > and ITV and raking in millions and millions and millions and millions of > pounds." > > "If you cannot tremble with indignation, any injustice anywhere, you're not > a human being. You have no pulse and you have no soul." > > "This church should be bulging with journalists because if they had any > intention of actually doing their job. What is happening to Julian Assange is > a mortal danger to them. It's a knife at their heart. It's a sword of > Damocles hanging over their heads. If they ever intended to actually be > journalists. > > But of course, the truth is, most of them have sold whatever soul they had > just for a ribbon to put on their coat, just for a shilling or two. > > They have abandoned any claim of moral authority. These are the people that > lecture us." And an example of the absolute hypocritical scum that is the "mainstream" press - aggrandizing themselves with awards whilst not even mentioning Julian Assange - Christiane Amanpour licks the empires boots, does not mention Assange: Freedom for me but not for Assange (or thee): The breathtaking hypocrisy of CNN’s Christiane Amanpour https://www.rt.com/op-ed/481854-amanpour-cnn-assange-journalism-hypocrisy/
George Galloway lets it rip re Julian Assange -- Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange
On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 05:30:30AM -0500, grarpamp wrote: > https://twitter.com/defendassange > https://twitter.com/wikileaks > https://defend.wikileaks.org/category/news > > https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/ > https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/en/resources.html > https://wikileaks.org/gitmo/ > > Julian Assange > Chelsea Manning > Edward Snowden > Reality Winner > ... > > Hundreds of names, all bc govt trying to save its sorry ass. > No one really wants it. End it already. > > #FreeAssange George Galloway - a man who actually uses his (media) platform for the "in principle" it is intended for - speaking truth to power. WATCH: One of Best Orators Alive, UK Politician George Galloway, Electrifying Speech on Lynching of Assange https://russia-insider.com/en/watch-one-best-orators-alive-uk-politician-george-galloway-electrifying-speech-lynching-assange https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FGeorgeGallowayOfficial%2Fvideos%2F1641329726020815%2F (Transcript in Russia-Insider.com link above has a few mistakes, for those who prefer to read... but strongly recommend watching - inspiring, and only ~14 minutes and ~20MiB) A few quotes from the transcript: "Who cannot tremble with indignation at the idea that the man that blew the whistle on the war crimes is in Belmarsh and the war criminals are on the BBC and ITV and raking in millions and millions and millions and millions of pounds." "If you cannot tremble with indignation, any injustice anywhere, you're not a human being. You have no pulse and you have no soul." "This church should be bulging with journalists because if they had any intention of actually doing their job. What is happening to Julian Assange is a mortal danger to them. It's a knife at their heart. It's a sword of Damocles hanging over their heads. If they ever intended to actually be journalists. But of course, the truth is, most of them have sold whatever soul they had just for a ribbon to put on their coat, just for a shilling or two. They have abandoned any claim of moral authority. These are the people that lecture us."
