In America, Most Republicans Think Colleges Are Bad for the Country - education, intellect, and or liberal arts, a threat

[Lettuce]

> Marina Brown catskillmarina at gmail.com
> Tue Jul 18 10:22:28 PDT 2017
>

> parents were educators
> stepfather
>

Confirmed Antifa Scum

Re: In America, Most Republicans Think Colleges Are Bad for the Country - education, intellect, and or liberal arts, a threat

[juan]

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 18:08:43 +1000
Zenaan Harkness  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:14:03PM -0300, Juan wrote:
> > On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:27:24 +1000
> > Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> > 
> > > Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation
> > > (Full Length)
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0
> > 
> > lol what a piece of human shit - went from commie to
> > americunt nazi
> 
> Sad indeed.
> 
> The bit we can be grateful for is that he publicly exposed the
> operation to dumb down America 


no, the guy was always a despicable piece of shit - his
american propaganda is even worse than commie propaganda. 

if anything, the moral of the story is that KGB agents make
perfect americunt propaganda agents. Which should tell you all
you need to know about the Free Democratic World.



> where he says their (paraphrasing)
> "turn America into a Liberal Arts shit hole" was successful beyond
> their wildest dreams, he is at least being honest 

no he isn't.


>- yes, at that
> point in time it was way too late for any apology - as he accurately
> predicted, it is still taking generations to get back to any sort of
> traditional foundation for America - even manufacturing was largely
> exported to China because gender studies is sooo much more important
> to the Zio elites.
> 
> The truth is, the result was achieved by tacit consent of the people
> - America readily let go its foundations.


you mean, slavery? No they didn't.



> 
> And Yuri Bezmenov's interview was in 1983!
> 
> Only around 2015, over 30 years later, did a conservative backlash
> finally start to take hold in a way which would eventually shift an
> American election.
> 
> Yep, Masters in Gender Studies gonna gittus ta Mars now!
> 
> 
> (Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Bezmenov
> )

Re: In America, Most Republicans Think Colleges Are Bad for the Country - education, intellect, and or liberal arts, a threat

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:14:03PM -0300, Juan wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:27:24 +1000
> Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> 
> > Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation
> > (Full Length)
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0
> 
>   lol what a piece of human shit - went from commie to americunt
>   nazi

Sad indeed.

The bit we can be grateful for is that he publicly exposed the
operation to dumb down America - where he says their (paraphrasing)
"turn America into a Liberal Arts shit hole" was successful beyond
their wildest dreams, he is at least being honest - yes, at that
point in time it was way too late for any apology - as he accurately
predicted, it is still taking generations to get back to any sort of
traditional foundation for America - even manufacturing was largely
exported to China because gender studies is sooo much more important
to the Zio elites.

The truth is, the result was achieved by tacit consent of the people
- America readily let go its foundations.

And Yuri Bezmenov's interview was in 1983!

Only around 2015, over 30 years later, did a conservative backlash
finally start to take hold in a way which would eventually shift an
American election.

Yep, Masters in Gender Studies gonna gittus ta Mars now!


(Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Bezmenov
)

Re: In America, Most Republicans Think Colleges Are Bad for the Country - education, intellect, and or liberal arts, a threat

[juan]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:29:59 -0400
Marina Brown  wrote:

> On 07/17/2017 05:38 AM, John Young wrote:
> > Education is affirmation of the status quo in all nations.
> > And a negation of otherness. Military, spies and secrecy,
> > blessed by national security blind faith, assures heads in
> > the sand are patriotic, and raising heads out of the sand
> > is treason ("terrorism").
> > 
> 
> I am sure that people would function in society better with
> no education whatsoever. they would be free to reinvent the wheel,
> mathematics, chemistry and history with no reference to the past.
> Imagine what people would come up with !
> 
> Yes, there is an element of conformity in education but there is some
> exposure to thought that is counter to the status quo.


LMAO.  sure - learning a bunch of technical stuff so
that you can become a better robot goes against the status
quo



> I know you are
> not uneducated but i am getting tired of people - even left wing
> millenials saying that education has no value.

Re: In America, Most Republicans Think Colleges Are Bad for the Country - education, intellect, and or liberal arts, a threat

[Steve Kinney]

On 07/18/2017 01:22 PM, Marina Brown wrote:

> I don't know. My parents were all educators - including father and
> stepfather. They fought all their lives against the devaluation of
> education even at the college level.
> 
> I guess we have to keep up the fight against the propagandization and
> devaluation of education. It's been a long term project of
> authoritarians to create education that is akin to technical training
> without people learning how to think for themselves. We have to be ready
> for a long fight too.
> 
> --- Marina

I see a lot of problems with education.

"Those who can, do; those who can't, teach."  Not always true, of
course.  But it becomes more so when extended to include "...and those
who can't even teach, become educators."  People are people and no
generalization fits all cases, but I have seen the writing on the wall.

I have seen educators whose principal objectives included cost
containment, defense of funding though a politically mandated 'teach to
the test' agenda, and pursuit of funding by presenting de facto
advertising and/or banning a corporate benefactor's competitors from the
classroom.  This all puts educators at odds with teachers - especially
teachers who want to help their students learn to "think for
themselves."  The educators have command authority in the enterprise, so
the teachers rarely win.

Professionals in every field that involves persuasion - sales,
advertising, business administration, military and political propaganda
- all use "education" as a preferred synonym for "indoctrination."

Doctrines, a.k.a. fixed protocols, can have their uses when properly
understood as tools under their users' conscious control.  Science and
engineering programs openly discuss this principle and its role in their
fields of endeavor; but the "fuzzy studies" programs lean strongly
toward applying indoctrination in the classroom, preparing students to
apply the specified doctrines after graduation, as authorities in their
various fields.

A large majority of University students attend for just one reason:  To
buy their way onto the right side of an employment discrimination
barrier, an ironclad agreement among college graduates that they will
support their "own kind" via preference in hiring, promotion and
compensation.  Reading job postings, one sees numerous job descriptions
where requirements include a degree in /any/ firld, with no regard to
its relevance to the work in question.  In those cases the employer
wants proof of social rank, not evidence of competency.

The American Dream of equal opportunity notwithstanding, the U.S.
pay-for-play University system enforces a rigid social class barrier:
Students whose parents can afford to heavily subsidize their tuitions
emerge as winners, while the student loan scam leaves graduates of
"lower social standing" in an upside down financial position they can
not dig their way out of, even on the right side of the employment
discrimination barrier.

I find it more than ironic that people enrolled in "fuzzy studies"
programs geared to the needs of mediocre students so often speak against
"class privilege", while diligently working to safeguard, formalize and
exploit their own class privilege by completing that degree program and
presenting a certificate of conformity when they hit the employment
market.  At least they are "not racists."  Any black, brown, yellow or
etc. person can become as "white" as anyone else by getting a college
diploma.  True Believers in higher education all know about - but rarely
mention - the ignorance, laziness, etc. that account for anyone's
failure to "better themselves" through a college education.

I strongly doubt that these and similar problems can be solved by
educators - even in the unlikely event that a consensus to solve them
emerges among that group:  They do not control the purse strings, and
neither do their student 'customers.'  The systemic disorders in higher
education reflect systemic disorders in society as a whole, which seems
inevitable as long as higher education remains an integral part of the
disordered system.

I do have some hope that the descendants of those who survive the
upcoming collapse of the global material economy will create a /much/
better educational system: Decentralized, consensus driven, inexpensive
and adaptable, facilitating the practical objectives of people and
communities organized on a far less self destructive basis than our
present self destructive clusterfuck.






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Re: In America, Most Republicans Think Colleges Are Bad for the Country - education, intellect, and or liberal arts, a threat

[Marina Brown]

On 07/18/2017 10:34 AM, John Newman wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Marina Brown  wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/17/2017 05:38 AM, John Young wrote:
>>> Education is affirmation of the status quo in all nations.
>>> And a negation of otherness. Military, spies and secrecy,
>>> blessed by national security blind faith, assures heads in
>>> the sand are patriotic, and raising heads out of the sand
>>> is treason ("terrorism").
>>>
>>
>> I am sure that people would function in society better with no
>> education whatsoever. they would be free to reinvent the wheel,
>> mathematics, chemistry and history with no reference to the past.
>> Imagine what people would come up with !
>>
>> Yes, there is an element of conformity in education but there is some
>> exposure to thought that is counter to the status quo. I know you are
>> not uneducated but i am getting tired of people - even left wing
>> millenials saying that education has no value.
>>
> 
> Growing up in texas we were taught in high school that the civil war was NOT 
> about slavery - it was about states' rights!
> 
> I heard a story on NPR the other day about public schools in, I think it was 
> Oklahoma, about how the fucking textbooks and curriculum are written by the 
> petroleum industry. All the science and math classes try to teach everything 
> within the context of petroleum, as much as possible. For all i know you have 
> to read Oil! (or watch the excellent There Will Be Blood) to pass the goddamn 
> english class. 
> 
> Anyway, i do agree that education is paramount... but how we prevent a 
> dystopia Jesusland / east coast / west coast split in schools, and how to 
> make sure kids get a valuable education?
> 

I don't know. My parents were all educators - including father and
stepfather. They fought all their lives against the devaluation of
education even at the college level.

I guess we have to keep up the fight against the propagandization and
devaluation of education. It's been a long term project of
authoritarians to create education that is akin to technical training
without people learning how to think for themselves. We have to be ready
for a long fight too.

--- Marina

> 
> 
>>> Lopping heads by cutlass or curricula or UAVs, or as here,
>>> stuffing them with incessant propaganda of URLism, is why
>>> good soldiers and best-and-brightest make conjoined heads
>>> PR, aka comical faux wisdom.
>>>
>>> Spies may be the most stupid people on earth, totally isolated
>>> by trained, indoctrinated terror of otherness, aka brain-laundered.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 09:27 PM 7/16/2017, you wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:24:05AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> This classic interview with an ex-KGB officer shall forever go down
> in history as oh so poignant:
>
>  Ex-KGB officer Yuri Bezmenov Explains United States Targeted Public
>  Schools for Change
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1XqUPEII
>  (17 minutes)


 Here's the full version of Yuri's interview - for those who have a
 heart, the truth presented is both unmistakably true, and deeply
 saddening:


 Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation
 (Full Length)
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0
 (81 minutes, 11 seconds)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 
> 




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Re: In America, Most Republicans Think Colleges Are Bad for the Country - education, intellect, and or liberal arts, a threat

[John Newman]

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Marina Brown  wrote:
> 
>> On 07/17/2017 05:38 AM, John Young wrote:
>> Education is affirmation of the status quo in all nations.
>> And a negation of otherness. Military, spies and secrecy,
>> blessed by national security blind faith, assures heads in
>> the sand are patriotic, and raising heads out of the sand
>> is treason ("terrorism").
>> 
> 
> I am sure that people would function in society better with no
> education whatsoever. they would be free to reinvent the wheel,
> mathematics, chemistry and history with no reference to the past.
> Imagine what people would come up with !
> 
> Yes, there is an element of conformity in education but there is some
> exposure to thought that is counter to the status quo. I know you are
> not uneducated but i am getting tired of people - even left wing
> millenials saying that education has no value.
> 

Growing up in texas we were taught in high school that the civil war was NOT 
about slavery - it was about states' rights!

I heard a story on NPR the other day about public schools in, I think it was 
Oklahoma, about how the fucking textbooks and curriculum are written by the 
petroleum industry. All the science and math classes try to teach everything 
within the context of petroleum, as much as possible. For all i know you have 
to read Oil! (or watch the excellent There Will Be Blood) to pass the goddamn 
english class. 

Anyway, i do agree that education is paramount... but how we prevent a dystopia 
Jesusland / east coast / west coast split in schools, and how to make sure kids 
get a valuable education?



>> Lopping heads by cutlass or curricula or UAVs, or as here,
>> stuffing them with incessant propaganda of URLism, is why
>> good soldiers and best-and-brightest make conjoined heads
>> PR, aka comical faux wisdom.
>> 
>> Spies may be the most stupid people on earth, totally isolated
>> by trained, indoctrinated terror of otherness, aka brain-laundered.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At 09:27 PM 7/16/2017, you wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:24:05AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 This classic interview with an ex-KGB officer shall forever go down
 in history as oh so poignant:
 
  Ex-KGB officer Yuri Bezmenov Explains United States Targeted Public
  Schools for Change
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1XqUPEII
  (17 minutes)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here's the full version of Yuri's interview - for those who have a
>>> heart, the truth presented is both unmistakably true, and deeply
>>> saddening:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation
>>> (Full Length)
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0
>>> (81 minutes, 11 seconds)
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: In America, Most Republicans Think Colleges Are Bad for the Country - education, intellect, and or liberal arts, a threat

[Marina Brown]

On 07/17/2017 05:38 AM, John Young wrote:
> Education is affirmation of the status quo in all nations.
> And a negation of otherness. Military, spies and secrecy,
> blessed by national security blind faith, assures heads in
> the sand are patriotic, and raising heads out of the sand
> is treason ("terrorism").
> 

I am sure that people would function in society better with no
education whatsoever. they would be free to reinvent the wheel,
mathematics, chemistry and history with no reference to the past.
Imagine what people would come up with !

Yes, there is an element of conformity in education but there is some
exposure to thought that is counter to the status quo. I know you are
not uneducated but i am getting tired of people - even left wing
millenials saying that education has no value.

> Lopping heads by cutlass or curricula or UAVs, or as here,
> stuffing them with incessant propaganda of URLism, is why
> good soldiers and best-and-brightest make conjoined heads
> PR, aka comical faux wisdom.
> 
> Spies may be the most stupid people on earth, totally isolated
> by trained, indoctrinated terror of otherness, aka brain-laundered.
> 
> 
> 
> At 09:27 PM 7/16/2017, you wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:24:05AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> > This classic interview with an ex-KGB officer shall forever go down
>> > in history as oh so poignant:
>> >
>> >   Ex-KGB officer Yuri Bezmenov Explains United States Targeted Public
>> >   Schools for Change
>> >   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1XqUPEII
>> >   (17 minutes)
>>
>>
>> Here's the full version of Yuri's interview - for those who have a
>> heart, the truth presented is both unmistakably true, and deeply
>> saddening:
>>
>>
>> Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation
>> (Full Length)
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0
>> (81 minutes, 11 seconds)
> 
> 
> 




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Re: In America, Most Republicans Think Colleges Are Bad for the Country - education, intellect, and or liberal arts, a threat

[juan]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:27:24 +1000
Zenaan Harkness  wrote:

> 
> Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation
> (Full Length)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0


lol what a piece of human shit - went from commie to americunt
nazi



> (81 minutes, 11 seconds)

Re: In America, Most Republicans Think Colleges Are Bad for the Country - education, intellect, and or liberal arts, a threat

[John Young]

Education is affirmation of the status quo in all nations.
And a negation of otherness. Military, spies and secrecy,
blessed by national security blind faith, assures heads in
the sand are patriotic, and raising heads out of the sand
is treason ("terrorism").

Lopping heads by cutlass or curricula or UAVs, or as here,
stuffing them with incessant propaganda of URLism, is why
good soldiers and best-and-brightest make conjoined heads
PR, aka comical faux wisdom.

Spies may be the most stupid people on earth, totally isolated
by trained, indoctrinated terror of otherness, aka brain-laundered.



At 09:27 PM 7/16/2017, you wrote:

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:24:05AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> This classic interview with an ex-KGB officer shall forever go down
> in history as oh so poignant:
>
>   Ex-KGB officer Yuri Bezmenov Explains United States Targeted Public
>   Schools for Change
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1XqUPEII
>   (17 minutes)


Here's the full version of Yuri's interview - for those who have a
heart, the truth presented is both unmistakably true, and deeply
saddening:


Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation
(Full Length)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0
(81 minutes, 11 seconds)

Re: In America, Most Republicans Think Colleges Are Bad for the Country - education, intellect, and or liberal arts, a threat

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:24:05AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> This classic interview with an ex-KGB officer shall forever go down
> in history as oh so poignant:
> 
>   Ex-KGB officer Yuri Bezmenov Explains United States Targeted Public
>   Schools for Change
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1XqUPEII
>   (17 minutes)


Here's the full version of Yuri's interview - for those who have a
heart, the truth presented is both unmistakably true, and deeply
saddening:


Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash a Nation
(Full Length)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0
(81 minutes, 11 seconds)

In America, Most Republicans Think Colleges Are Bad for the Country - education, intellect, and or liberal arts, a threat

[Zenaan Harkness]

Education.

Some fear it, say that educated people are a threat to the
uneducated, "lefty liberals" try to shut down free speech and run
only LGBTQQPPC and "arts" courses (they don't call it Liberal Arts
for nothing).

When your "education" institutions have thoroughly clamped down on
free speech and the average "educated" person has disdain for
classical education, perhaps you -ought- be fearing your education
institutions.

This classic interview with an ex-KGB officer shall forever go down
in history as oh so poignant:

  Ex-KGB officer Yuri Bezmenov Explains United States Targeted Public
  Schools for Change
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obr1XqUPEII
  (17 minutes)


A great quote from a slashdot commenter in the following article,
responding in exasperation to someone using language
liberally:

  "It's not ad hominem to accuse someone of a position that they
   hold."

Of course, logic never was a unit in your local Liberal Arts
"degree" ...





In America, Most Republicans Think Colleges Are Bad for the Country
https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/07/15/0037248/in-america-most-republicans-think-colleges-are-bad-for-the-country

An anonymous reader quotes the Chronicle of Higher Education:
A majority of Republicans and right-leaning independents think higher
education has a negative effect on the country, according to a new
study released by the Pew Research Center on Monday. The same study
has found a consistent increase in distrust of colleges and
universities since 2010, when negative perceptions among Republicans
was measured at 32 percent. That number now stands at 58 percent. By
comparison, 72 percent of Democrats or left-leaning Independents in
the study said colleges and universities have a positive impact on
the United States... In the Pew Research Center's study, distrust of
colleges was strongest in the highest income bracket and the oldest
age group, with approval levels of just 31 percent among respondents
whose family income exceeds $75,000 a year and 27 percent among those
older than 65.