Re: The difference between moderation and censorship [was Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate...]

[Razer]

On 10/15/2016 02:14 PM, Xer0Dynamite wrote:
> He's differentiating between floods of off-topic material which acts
> to censor real discussion by hiding it in noise

One geek's 'noise' is another geek's datastream.

Tail-ending, boilerplate postings of mbs of non-related info, other
ploys for attention ... all those things go back to the inception of
lists, forums, comment trees. The people DOING THAT are, in a way,
attempting to censor the flow of information. I alway make them for
mentally ill individuals, people with an axe to grind about the
individuals on the list (see point 1), or cops trying to crudely disrupt
the topic at hand or the forum's operations.

I personalty believe humans CAN distinguish a legitimate difference and
act appropriately on it. I just don't see it happen that way very often
in reality.

Rr

>>  Tell us quinn what to do with people like you, who post very
>>  stupid 'defenses' of CENSORSHIP in an allegedly
>>  crypto-anarchist mailing list?
> 
> He's differentiating between floods of off-topic material which acts
> to censor real discussion by hiding it in noise vs. removing
> discussion which simply doesn't agree with some (explicit or implicit)
> preferential view.
> 
> You have to admit that it's different, si?
> 
> \0x
> 

Re: The difference between moderation and censorship [was Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate...]

[\0xDynamite]

>> >Tell us quinn what to do with people like you, who post very
>> >stupid 'defenses' of CENSORSHIP in an allegedly
>> >crypto-anarchist mailing list?
>>
>> He's differentiating between floods of off-topic material which acts
>> to censor real discussion by hiding it in noise vs. removing
>> discussion which simply doesn't agree with some (explicit or implicit)
>> preferential view.
>
>   So you failed to understand all the points I made, or are you
>   just trolling me?

Actually, I incorporated your points, figuring they were too simple to
enumerate and incorporated them within the last sentence of the first
paragraph.

'Nuff said.

\0x

Re: The difference between moderation and censorship [was Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate...]

[juan]

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 16:14:59 -0500
Xer0Dynamite  wrote:

> > Tell us quinn what to do with people like you, who post very
> > stupid 'defenses' of CENSORSHIP in an allegedly
> > crypto-anarchist mailing list?
> 
> He's differentiating between floods of off-topic material which acts
> to censor real discussion by hiding it in noise vs. removing
> discussion which simply doesn't agree with some (explicit or implicit)
> preferential view.
> 
> You have to admit that it's different, si?


So you failed to understand all the points I made, or are you
just trolling me? 




> 
> \0x

Re: The difference between moderation and censorship [was Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate...]

[Xer0Dynamite]

>   Tell us quinn what to do with people like you, who post very
>   stupid 'defenses' of CENSORSHIP in an allegedly
>   crypto-anarchist mailing list?

He's differentiating between floods of off-topic material which acts
to censor real discussion by hiding it in noise vs. removing
discussion which simply doesn't agree with some (explicit or implicit)
preferential view.

You have to admit that it's different, si?

\0x

Re: The difference between moderation and censorship [was Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate...]

[oshwm]

I thought spam filtering was generally automated by a machine without an 
opinion on social issues and moderation was basically the censorship of 
messages based on the whim of a human?


On 15 October 2016 11:41:17 GMT+01:00, "Shawn K. Quinn"  
wrote:
>On Fri, 2016-10-14 at 22:24 -0300, #$%& wrote:
>> To be more precise. Expect to find absolutely no russian
>> propaganda, because that list is fully 'moderated'. That is,
>> censored. And expect it to contain loads of american
>> propaganda, which the 'moderators', aka censors, simply
>> consider
>> to be 'ontopic' 'morally perfect' 'legitimate' 'content'.
>
>Moderation is not censorship. Moderation is the selective approval of
>messages so that a forum is not effectively censored by the prevalence
>of off-topic material, and to maintain standards of decorum and
>conduct. 
>
>Moderation, when done properly, is actually the *prevention* of
>constructive censorship. If this list were to be overrun by spam for
>knock-off Ray-Ban and Oakley sunglasses, penis enlargement pills, Dr.
>Oz
>approved acai berry diet pills, or even ads for VPNs that accept
>payments in Bitcoin, I'm sure most of you would demand something be
>done
>to protect the integrity of the forum.
>
>-- 
>Shawn K. Quinn 

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