subject:"Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What\?'"

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 05:46:22PM -0800, Razer wrote:
> 
> 
> On 02/21/2017 03:41 PM, Marina Brown wrote:
> >The "Moderate Opposition" was Al Queda. ISIS spun off from them because they 
> >were too
> >moderate.
> >
> >...but yeah it is true that these scumbags were funded by the State Dept to 
> >get rid of Assad.
> 
> Actually ISIS traces farther back To Libya. Remember Libya? We turned it
> into an ashtray. A failed state like Somalia...

"failed state"?

NOW it's a failed state.

Before the West turned it into an ashtray it was where African
emmigrants to Europe usually stopped, got work and settled down, making
Libya one of the most prosperous and stable African nations for many
years. See also da Wiki:

"From 1977 onward, per capita income in the country rose to more than US
$11,000, the fifth-highest in Africa,[59] while the Human Development
Index became the highest in Africa and greater than that of Saudi
Arabia.[60] This was achieved without borrowing any foreign loans,
keeping Libya debt-free.[61]"

> As to Why The US Wanted Muammar al-Gadaffi Dead...
> 
> The War On Libya Is A War On Most Of Africa
> http://auntieimperial.blogspot.com/2011/07/why-they-want-muammar-al-gadaffi-dead.html

The great quote from the top of that page:
"The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or
religion, but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence.
Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do.”"
 Samuel P. Huntington

Certainly that "financially independent, no foreign debt" was a standout
for Libya under Qaddafi, backed by his building a solid gold bullion
store for the country (nearly 150 tonnes).

Western meddling in foreign nations is disheartening and fundamentally
abominable.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

No he did not. The woman fabricated it.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/how-author-timothy-tyson-found-the-woman-at-the-center-of-the-emmett-till-case

She spent a short time alone with Till, during which time she now says
nothing happened. After that short time, Till whistled at her, which
caused her husband to believe that something had happened.

Till did not deserve to be killed for whistling at her, but today it
often enough happens that people are killed for similar acts.

I was in an elevator with a young lady. A man said "Hello" to that lady
and smiled at her. I placed my hand on her shoulder and stared at him
expressionlessly and silently. From his reaction I am pretty sure he
feared I was going to kill him, even though my expression was totally
neutral, blank, and stone faced.

Because people do get killed for that sort of thing today. Race has
nothing to do with it. That was a murder, not a lynching, and similar
murders happen today all the time.

But murders are not lynchings. You are apt to be murdered today
regardless of race for hitting on another man's woman even if you do not
do so in a crude and offensive way. Emmett Till was killed furtively
and secretively, not lynched. Happens today all the time, regardless of
race.

For it to be a lynching, has to be done openly with social approval. The
accusation is that it was socially acceptable for white people to openly
kill blacks for frivolous cause.

Name a black man who was wrongfully lynched - killed openly and publicly
for with social approval for frivolous cause.

How about the Tulsa massacre ? I am sure you have some excuse for that.

The Tulsa massacre was the murder of ten white men by racist blacks,
followed by whites ethnically cleansing the infestation of dangerous
blacks from their town.

A black man assaulted a white woman. He was arrested.

Believing he was likely to be lynched a group of 75 armed blacks went to
the courthouse and politely asked that he be secured to receive a fair
trial - the white sheriff told them he would receive a fair trial and
politely asked them to go home.

These seventy five armed black men confronted a large group of white men
in a predominantly white area, some of them armed, who they suspected
intended to lynch the black youth who had assaulted a white woman. The
blacks opened fire, killing ten of the white men.

In short, blacks started it, and whites finished it.

If the whites had actually grabbed the youth from the courthouse you
would have a point. But the blacks opened fire on suspicion that the
whites might grab the youth from the courthouse, which is much the same
thing as blacks lynching whites on vague suspicion, and very different
from whites lynching blacks on vague suspicion.

And if there was a single case where the evidence was thin or the
offense trivial, you would be using that case, not Emmett Till.

You REALLY are a hard core racist.

So produce your example of someone wrongfully lynched.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On 02/21/2017 11:34 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
> On 2/22/2017 1:53 PM, Marina Brown wrote:
>> Most lynchings were just like the murder of Emmett Till. The man was
>> wrongfully accused of hitting on a white woman and murdered for it
> 
> Emmet did hit on her - just not in the crude and offensive way he was
> wrongfully accused of doing.
> 

No he did not. The woman fabricated it.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/how-author-timothy-tyson-found-the-woman-at-the-center-of-the-emmett-till-case


> But murders are not lynchings. You are apt to be murdered today
> regardless of race for hitting on another man's woman even if you do not
> do so in a crude and offensive way.  Emmett Till was killed furtively
> and secretively, not lynched. Happens today all the time, regardless of
> race.
> 
> For it to be a lynching, has to be done openly with social approval. The
> accusation is that it was socially acceptable for white people to openly
> kill blacks for frivolous cause.
> 
> Name a black man who was wrongfully lynched - killed openly and publicly
> for with social approval for frivolous cause.
> 

How about the Tulsa massacre ? I am sure you have some excuse for that.

>> The movie "The birth of a nation" showed how white people liked to
>> murder black people and use the excuse of rape. All too real.
> 
> Liar.
> 
> "The birth of a nation" depicts black men who actually did rape women
> being rightfully and justly hung for their crimes.
> 
> In every actual real life lynching, where the offender was executed
> publicly and openly with social approval, there was reasonable evidence
> of serious criminal offenses.
> 

Nonsense. A lot of times they were killed for standing up to whites.
Sometimes union organizers were murdered for standing up to bosses.

> And if there was a single case where the evidence was thin or the
> offense trivial, you would be using that case, not Emmett Till.
> 

You REALLY are a hard core racist.

The time of white supremacy is past. This is just a tiny bubble.

Anyway i have wasted enough time with you. You are the worst type of
trash. I know i can never reason with you.

PLONK !



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Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


On 2/22/2017 1:53 PM, Marina Brown wrote:

Most lynchings were just like the murder of Emmett Till. The man was
wrongfully accused of hitting on a white woman and murdered for it


Emmet did hit on her - just not in the crude and offensive way he was 
wrongfully accused of doing.


But murders are not lynchings. You are apt to be murdered today 
regardless of race for hitting on another man's woman even if you do not 
do so in a crude and offensive way.  Emmett Till was killed furtively 
and secretively, not lynched. Happens today all the time, regardless of 
race.


For it to be a lynching, has to be done openly with social approval. 
The accusation is that it was socially acceptable for white people to 
openly kill blacks for frivolous cause.


Name a black man who was wrongfully lynched - killed openly and publicly 
for with social approval for frivolous cause.



The movie "The birth of a nation" showed how white people liked to
murder black people and use the excuse of rape. All too real.


Liar.

"The birth of a nation" depicts black men who actually did rape women 
being rightfully and justly hung for their crimes.


In every actual real life lynching, where the offender was executed 
publicly and openly with social approval, there was reasonable evidence 
of serious criminal offenses.


And if there was a single case where the evidence was thin or the 
offense trivial, you would be using that case, not Emmett Till.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

2017-02-21 Thread John Newman




> On Feb 21, 2017, at 7:25 PM, Anti Fag  wrote:
> 
> > John Newman jnn at synfin.org
> > Tue Feb 21 11:25:51 PST 2017
> > 
> > How about the 3million+ illegal votes he repeatedly brings up?
> 
> For 2 million illegal registered claim, here are two links referencing the 
> same "study":
> http:// 
> washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/15/nearly-2-million-non-citizen-hispanics-illegally-r/
> http:// 
> infowars.com/up-to-2-million-non-citizens-illegally-registered-to-vote-in-the-us/
> 
> For 800,000 illegal votes claim, here is an article:
> http:// 
> washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-80-votes-from-nonciti/
> 
> I see 3 and 5 mil claims but original quote was “if you deduct the millions 
> of people who voted illegally.” then said “Forget that. Forget all that. Just 
> take a look at the registration and we’re going to do it.”.
> 
> > His claim that his win was the biggest electoral win in decades?
> 
> It was, following Bush Sr. and Obama, lol.  Top three seems legit.  Besides, 
> he was fed that false statement right before he spoke, it seems.  
> Here is a video:
> https:// youtube.com/watch?v=v0Qeq3qVUzM
>  
> > His claim the US murder rate is the highest in 47 years?
> 
> The national rate is not comparable to local rates, such as Chicago, which 
> are up.
> 
> Here are some links with numbers:
> https:// wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate
> https:// 
> ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/violent-crime/murder-topic-page/murdermain_final
> http:// time.com/4607059/murder-rate-increase-us-cities-2016/
> http:// infowars.com/fbi-us-homicide-rate-at-51-year-low/
> 
> Here is some execution shit covering exactly 47 years:
> http:// deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state
> http:// 
> deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates
> 
> Rates have lowered, it seems, lol.
> 
> It seems that this is some 8D chess, where the President claims a pro 
> gun-censorship "fact" to shed light on the reality that as guns and "mass 
> shootings" increase in number and occurrence, death rates are actually 
> eaual-to or lower-than the late 60's, "when kids were safe to just play the 
> streets".
> 
> Keep in mind:
> The killing of a felon by a peace officer in the line of duty.""
> The killing of a felon, during the commission of a felony, by a private 
> citizen.""
> 
> Because these killings are determined through law enforcement investigation 
> to be justifiable, they are tabulated separately from murder and nonnegligent 
> manslaughter.""
> 
> And to your point, quotes are "45 years"; accusation that you are a lying 
> shill would be false, while reality that you mispoke or misremebered (or were 
> fed disinformation) becomes more likely.  Pay that respect to your president.
> 
> > immigration executive order
> 
> Still unraveling, fam.
> 
> > He NEVER made fun of the disabled reporter, right?
> 
> He did not; he was imitating a standard retard. Which Kovaleski is, a mental 
> retard.
> Here is a video from your pals CiEnEn:
> https:// youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA
> 
> > It goes on and on and on
> 
> It does.  Keep up with shilling.  Maybe your family will be spared by the 
> marxists for helping them regain power.  I wish you the best, comrade Newman.
> 
> We expect more from a confirmed hiphop-head.
> 

I'm not your fam, you fucking moron. I can't believe the effort you put into 
refuting those claims, and it's still all so much bullshit :)  Go suck some 
more cheeto dick you fucking whore.

Another one for the kill file.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 11:57:21 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:

> > On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:21:32 +1000
> "James A. Donald"  wrote:
> > > For a good summary of the relevant evidence on Trump and Sweden:
>  > > 
> https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/02/21/trump-is-completely-right-about-the-crisis-in-sweden/
> 
> On 2/22/2017 9:51 AM, juan wrote:
> > hint : your fuckingly stupid conservative propaganda is not
> > 'evidence'.
> 
> You live in a world of your own, entirely impervious to external
> reality.

are you still alive james? DAmn

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 12:46:07 +1100
Zenaan Harkness  wrote:

> 
> And one prime benefit at least - Trump's presidency has drawn out
> Razer's true self 

wich is the same as your true self.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


On 2/22/2017 11:03 AM, juan wrote:

You presented evidence of the swedish rape statistics being
(even more) cooked since 2005. They are cooked by the feminazis.


We also have a pile of anecdotes about legitimate rape reaching 
terrifying levels.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:21:32 +1000

"James A. Donald"  wrote:

> For a good summary of the relevant evidence on Trump and Sweden:
> > 
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/02/21/trump-is-completely-right-about-the-crisis-in-sweden/

On 2/22/2017 9:51 AM, juan wrote:

hint : your fuckingly stupid conservative propaganda is not
'evidence'.

You live in a world of your own, entirely impervious to external reality.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:38:48PM -0300, Juan wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 12:23:17 +1100
> Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Or, according to Razer, murdered or in the very least killed, or
> > possibly just put "six feet under" or partially "made dead".
> 
> 
>   Now what about trumpo and his supporters? You might have not
>   noticed but trumpo's political system is pretty much the same
>   totalitarian system that rayzer advocate. Trumpo's philosophy?
>   Obey or die.
> 
>   So where do you stand now? Your trumpo posts and spam are just
>   a different flavor of poltical garbage, but nonetheless they
>   are pure garbage. 

I shall judge him by the results of his actions. He's only a month in
yet... and I can say for sure, the entertainment vector has a
reasonably high magnitude so far..

And one prime benefit at least - Trump's presidency has drawn out
Razer's true self into his very public pro-murder position; that's
at least a data point that may be useful to some one in the future.

And Trump's wall seems to have inspired Mexico to build a wall on their
southern borders, the DNC has walled their grounds and so the Trump
voters should be content on that policy front 



> > Razer says he needs to kill all those who discuss a pro-ethnic
> > nationalist viewpoint. Apparently because "muh 6 million".

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On 02/21/2017 07:54 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
> "James A. Donald"  wrote:
>>> We have been presenting a pile of evidence that Trump told the
>>> unmentionable truth about Sweden.
> 
> On 2/22/2017 9:38 AM, juan wrote:
>> That's a fuckinly stupid lie.
> 
> We present evidence, and no matter how much evidence we present, you
> just say to us, as you say of Trump "lie"
> 
> 

You gave no evidence - just stuff from a propaganda outfit.

I don't believe a word from any organization with Dershowitz on the
board he has a clear agenda and he has for years.

He might have been a great defense lawyer but nowadays his main
occupation seems to be defending the actions of Israel against Palestinians.

Dershowitz was a terrible dissapointment.

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Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

2017-02-21 Thread Razer




On 02/21/2017 03:41 PM, Marina Brown wrote:

The "Moderate Opposition" was Al Queda. ISIS spun off from them because they 
were too
moderate.

...but yeah it is true that these scumbags were funded by the State Dept to get 
rid of Assad.


Actually ISIS traces farther back To Libya. Remember Libya? We 
turned it into an ashtray. A failed state like Somalia... but with 
modern oil infrastructure.


The group's official name was the LIFG. The US State Department and CIA 
hired them to sodomize Muammar al-Gadaffi with a bayonet and provided 
Special Operators and NATO air strike to assist in that goal. THEN they 
began looting weapons from Libya's armories and taking them to Syria, as 
the DIA watched and wrote un-acted-on memos => 
.


THEN they ran into all the Iraq baathists who had fled Iraq to Syria. 
THEN we see the inception of what was initially known as ISIS. I 
seriously doubt the Baathists are still involved though.



As to Why The US Wanted Muammar al-Gadaffi Dead...

The War On Libya Is A War On Most Of Africa
http://auntieimperial.blogspot.com/2011/07/why-they-want-muammar-al-gadaffi-dead.html

PS. You might also note that just about the time they were killing 
Christopher West, West Point was releasing a study saying the 
LIFG-affilated areas of Libya supplied the fighters in Iraq most likely 
to be killing US troops. 
http://auntieimperial.blogspot.com/2011/09/west-point-study-libyan-rebels-are-also.html

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On 02/21/2017 07:57 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
>> On 02/21/2017 06:21 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
>>> For a good summary of the relevant evidence on Trump and Sweden:
>>> https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/02/21/trump-is-completely-right-about-the-crisis-in-sweden/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But you guys will just stick your heads in the sand and say that anyone
>>> who is in the slightest contact with reality is obviously a nazi and
>>> should be physically attacked, so you should not listen to anything he
>>> says.
> 
> On 2/22/2017 9:33 AM, Marina Brown wrote:
>> You are not going to convince anyone of your crap.
> 
> Because you are utterly indifferent to truth and reality.
> 
> 

I know reality - This swedish thing is just like the Emmett Till Lynching.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/how-author-timothy-tyson-found-the-woman-at-the-center-of-the-emmett-till-case

And decades later the white woman admitted she fabricated it all.

Same shit different decade.



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Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 12:23:17 +1100
Zenaan Harkness  wrote:

> 
> Or, according to Razer, murdered or in the very least killed, or
> possibly just put "six feet under" or partially "made dead".

Now what about trumpo and his supporters? You might have not
noticed but trumpo's political system is pretty much the same
totalitarian system that rayzer advocate. Trumpo's philosophy?
Obey or die.

So where do you stand now? Your trumpo posts and spam are just
a different flavor of poltical garbage, but nonetheless they
are pure garbage. 

> 
> Razer says he needs to kill all those who discuss a pro-ethnic
> nationalist viewpoint. Apparently because "muh 6 million".

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 09:21:32AM +1000, James A. Donald wrote:
> For a good summary of the relevant evidence on Trump and Sweden:
> https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/02/21/trump-is-completely-right-about-the-crisis-in-sweden/
> 
> But you guys will just stick your heads in the sand and say that anyone who
> is in the slightest contact with reality is obviously a nazi and should be
> physically attacked,

Or, according to Razer, murdered or in the very least killed, or
possibly just put "six feet under" or partially "made dead".

Razer says he needs to kill all those who discuss a pro-ethnic
nationalist viewpoint. Apparently because "muh 6 million".

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

A worthy follow up read, on the topic of political appointments and a
man who certainly bucked the establishment expectations during his
career - I'm the haters will hate, yet it's hard to avoid that twinge of
inspiration when a serving army Major at the time (Vietnam), goes public
with a scathing report on the parochial interests of his superiors:

Trump appoints HR McMaster as national security adviser
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/20/trump-appoints-hr-mcmaster-national-security-adviser

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


On 02/21/2017 06:21 PM, James A. Donald wrote:

For a good summary of the relevant evidence on Trump and Sweden:
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/02/21/trump-is-completely-right-about-the-crisis-in-sweden/


But you guys will just stick your heads in the sand and say that anyone
who is in the slightest contact with reality is obviously a nazi and
should be physically attacked, so you should not listen to anything he
says.


On 2/22/2017 9:33 AM, Marina Brown wrote:

You are not going to convince anyone of your crap.


Because you are utterly indifferent to truth and reality.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


"James A. Donald"  wrote:

We have been presenting a pile of evidence that Trump told the
unmentionable truth about Sweden.


On 2/22/2017 9:38 AM, juan wrote:

That's a fuckinly stupid lie.


We present evidence, and no matter how much evidence we present, you 
just say to us, as you say of Trump "lie"

Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

2017-02-21 Thread Anti Fag

> John Newman jnn at synfin.org
> Tue Feb 21 11:25:51 PST 2017
>
> How about the 3million+ illegal votes he repeatedly brings up?

For 2 million illegal registered claim, here are two links referencing the same 
"study":
http:// 
washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/15/nearly-2-million-non-citizen-hispanics-illegally-r/
http:// 
infowars.com/up-to-2-million-non-citizens-illegally-registered-to-vote-in-the-us/

For 800,000 illegal votes claim, here is an article:
http:// 
washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-80-votes-from-nonciti/

I see 3 and 5 mil claims but original quote was “if you deduct the millions of 
people who voted illegally.” then said “Forget that. Forget all that. Just take 
a look at the registration and we’re going to do it.”.

> His claim that his win was the biggest electoral win in decades?

It was, following Bush Sr. and Obama, lol. Top three seems legit. Besides, he 
was fed that false statement right before he spoke, it seems.
Here is a video:
https:// youtube.com/watch?v=v0Qeq3qVUzM

> His claim the US murder rate is the highest in 47 years?

The national rate is not comparable to local rates, such as Chicago, which are 
up.

Here are some links with numbers:
https:// wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate
https:// 
ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/violent-crime/murder-topic-page/murdermain_final
http:// time.com/4607059/murder-rate-increase-us-cities-2016/
http:// infowars.com/fbi-us-homicide-rate-at-51-year-low/

Here is some execution shit covering exactly 47 years:
http:// deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state
http:// 
deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

Rates have lowered, it seems, lol.

It seems that this is some 8D chess, where the President claims a pro 
gun-censorship "fact" to shed light on the reality that as guns and "mass 
shootings" increase in number and occurrence, death rates are actually eaual-to 
or lower-than the late 60's, "when kids were safe to just play the streets".

Keep in mind:
The killing of a felon by a peace officer in the line of duty.""
The killing of a felon, during the commission of a felony, by a private 
citizen.""

Because these killings are determined through law enforcement investigation to 
be justifiable, they are tabulated separately from murder and nonnegligent 
manslaughter.""

And to your point, quotes are "45 years"; accusation that you are a lying shill 
would be false, while reality that you mispoke or misremebered (or were fed 
disinformation) becomes more likely. Pay that respect to your president.

> immigration executive order

Still unraveling, fam.

> He NEVER made fun of the disabled reporter, right?

He did not; he was imitating a standard retard. Which Kovaleski is, a mental 
retard.
Here is a video from your pals CiEnEn:
https:// youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

> It goes on and on and on

It does. Keep up with shilling. Maybe your family will be spared by the 
marxists for helping them regain power. I wish you the best, comrade Newman.

We expect more from a confirmed hiphop-head.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 07:14:59AM -0800, Razer wrote:
> And that's why
> the so-called 'alt-right' will fail.

Thanks. They gotta stick to facts. Letting the alt-right know
right now...

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On 02/21/2017 05:58 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
> On 2/22/2017 2:01 AM, Marina Brown wrote:
>> There are guerilla groups fighting ISIS that are recruiting. Why not go
>> and fight ?
> 
> Islamic state is not my problem, except that it is, or very recently
> was, being funded by the State Department, through the State
> Department/CIA program of funding and arming supposedly "Moderate
> Islamic Opposition" - which opposition in practice somehow turns out to
> be not very moderate at all.
> 

Geez you don't even know what you are talking about. The "Moderate
Opposition" was Al Queda. ISIS spun off from them because they were too
moderate.

...but yeah it is true that these scumbags were funded by the State
Dept to get rid of Assad.

> Which makes the State Department and the CIA my, and Trump's, problem,
> rather than Islamic State.
> 
> 
> .
> 
The State Dept and CIA have been trying to mop up their mess for quite a
while. The US has a habit of creating monsters.

Do you recall Reagan calling the Mujahideen in Afghanistan the
equivalent of the founding fathers ? Do you know who they evolved into ?
Al Queda. ...Al Queda was funded and created by Reagan to get the
Soviets out of Afghanistan. ISIS is an Al Queda spin off. So it is
Reagans fault.

The US needs to stop funding and creating monsters.

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Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 08:43:23 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:


> We have been presenting a pile of evidence that Trump told the 
> unmentionable truth about Sweden.

That's a fuckinly stupid lie. What your evidence shows actually
is that you a not only very dishonest but very stupid.

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On 02/21/2017 06:01 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
>> On 02/20/2017 11:32 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
>>> Maybe on some matter that I did not check out, or was not familiar with,
>>> Trump was lying.  But on every matter that I know about, Trump told the
>>> truth, and you lot could not handle the truth.
> 
> 
> On 2/22/2017 2:05 AM, Marina Brown wrote:
>> Trump alway lies.
> 
> You keep saying this, but you, and the mainstream media just say it,
> without bothering with the inconvenience of evidence.
> 
> And when people present evidence for Trump's version and against the
> Mainstream Media version, no evidence can possibly suffice.
> 
> 
> 
Trump never bothers with evidence.



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On 02/21/2017 06:03 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
> James A. Donald wrote:
>>> The Crusades are not over until Islam agrees that they are over.
>>>
>>> It takes two to make peace.  And what is happening in Sweden does not
>>> look much like peace.
> 
> On 2/22/2017 2:08 AM, Marina Brown wrote:
>> Um Trump is a deluded individual who really does not know the difference
>> between truth and his own fabrications. The Swedish attack did not
>> happen.
> 
> Lots of Swedish attacks did happen, and are happening right now.  Google
> rape sweden.
> 
> 
> 

The KKK always made up rape accusations too.

The last time i bumped into a KKK demo there was a lot of heavy chunks
of metal flying. It's past the statute of limitations so i can talk
about it HA !



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On 02/21/2017 06:21 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
> For a good summary of the relevant evidence on Trump and Sweden:
> https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/02/21/trump-is-completely-right-about-the-crisis-in-sweden/
> 
> 
> But you guys will just stick your heads in the sand and say that anyone
> who is in the slightest contact with reality is obviously a nazi and
> should be physically attacked, so you should not listen to anything he
> says.
> 

I never called you a nazi. You obviously are a white nationalist. Me - i
really don't give a rats ass about all your concern about the white
race.

You seem to think you are in a group of white people arguing about
whether your racism is warrented.

Some of us are are not white and some of us are serious enemies of white
nationalists.

You are not going to convince anyone of your crap.

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On 2/21/2017 5:13 PM, John Newman wrote:

You mean Trump spouts a line of utter nonsense that is quickly

denounced? Pretty much.


"James A. Donald" >> Denounced indeed - but the evidence that Trump 
spoke the truth and the

media lied and continued to lie just piles up, and up, and up.

As in the case of events in Sweden, so too in every other case where I
am familiar with the facts


On 2/22/2017 5:25 AM, John Newman wrote:

How about the 3million+ illegal votes he repeatedly brings up?


A reasonable estimate:  Recall Obama calling upon illegal immigrants to 
vote.  Unless millions of illegals were voting, would Hillary and Obama 
bother to go after their votes?


The reason that there "is no evidence of illegals voting" is that we are 
on the honor system.  No one is allowed to look for evidence of illegals 
voting.  There is absolutely no check to prevent them from voting, and 
no way of detecting it if they do.



His claim that his win was the biggest electoral win in decades?


In the electoral college, which is what he was targeting, it was.  If we 
had a system where the largest plurality won, his campaign, and 
Hillary's would have campaigned differently.  Hillary won the popular 
vote largely because she misjudged which states were in play.  Trump had 
his ear to the ground, knew which states were in play, and she did not.



His claim the US murder rate is the highest in 47 years?


He was wrong - but the murder rate did show a dramatic increase under 
Obama, the largest *increase* in 47 years.



He said only 109 people were affected by his immigration executive order?


Not what he said.


Oh, an oldy but a goody - he NEVER made fun of the disabled reporter, right?


No, he never made fun of a disabled reporter - he has used that gesture 
in other contexts.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


James A. Donald wrote:

The Crusades are not over until Islam agrees that they are over.

It takes two to make peace.  And what is happening in Sweden does not
look much like peace.


On 2/22/2017 2:08 AM, Marina Brown wrote:

Um Trump is a deluded individual who really does not know the difference
between truth and his own fabrications. The Swedish attack did not happen.


Lots of Swedish attacks did happen, and are happening right now.  Google 
rape sweden.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


On 2/22/2017 2:01 AM, Marina Brown wrote:

There are guerilla groups fighting ISIS that are recruiting. Why not go
and fight ?


Islamic state is not my problem, except that it is, or very recently 
was, being funded by the State Department, through the State 
Department/CIA program of funding and arming supposedly "Moderate 
Islamic Opposition" - which opposition in practice somehow turns out to 
be not very moderate at all.


Which makes the State Department and the CIA my, and Trump's, problem, 
rather than Islamic State.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On 02/21/2017 02:25 PM, John Newman wrote:
> 
> 
> On February 21, 2017 3:25:28 AM EST, "James A. Donald"  
> wrote:
>>
 As far as I know, every single dispute between Trump and the
>> mainstream media turns out this way.
>>
>> On 2/21/2017 5:13 PM, John Newman wrote:
>>> You mean Trump spouts a line of utter nonsense that is quickly
>> denounced? Pretty much.
>>
>>
>> Denounced indeed - but the evidence that Trump spoke the truth and the 
>> media lied and continued to lie just piles up, and up, and up.
>>
>> As in the case of events in Sweden, so too in every other case where I 
>> am familiar with the facts
> 
> How about the 3million+ illegal votes he repeatedly brings up?
> 
> His claim that his win was the biggest electoral win in decades?
> 
> His claim the US murder rate is the highest in 47 years?
> 
> He said only 109 people were affected by his immigration executive order?
> 
> Oh, an oldy but a goody - he NEVER made fun of the disabled reporter, right?
> 
> It goes on and on and on, I could research this and just keep piling them on, 
> but I wont bother. All politicians lie, it's in their nature. However Trump 
> takes it to an extreme that I've never seen, and hilariously often lies about 
> completely inconsequential shit. Your die-hard defense of him (in fact you 
> LITERALLY want a King Trump - "vivat rex", LOL) speaks volumes about your own 
> credulity and the fantasy world you crave: only white males who, again 
> literally, own their wives, with a medieval sense of social mores. You are a 
> special kind of sick, a special kind of stupid, and I'm adding you to a 
> special kind of mail filter so I don't keep losing my shit and replying to 
> your insane bullshit.
> 
> 
> 
> John
> 

I've protested every president since and including Reagan. They all seem
to be obsessed with increasing the power of the presidency. Trump is the
most blatent about it but Obama and W were quite effective at
contributing to the imperial presidency.

To Obamas credit - i may be wrong in giving him any credit - i did see
him give up some cyberweapons when people associated with the NSA told
the TOR project about the certificate pinning holes in the TOR browser.
It seemed to me he did not want either Hillary or the Orange shit baboon
to have that cyberweapon. I might be wrong if he had anything to do with
it but i think he did.

I think as cypherpunks we should focuss on our duty to use cryptography
to mitigate governmental power. I really find it beyond the pale to have
one of our number advocating for an authoritarian.

What does James think about the CBP demanding passwords of people ?
Siezing devices. I am sure that that key escrow will come up again. Will
he support it now that his dude is in power ? Is he only a cypherpunk
for white people ?

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2017-02-21 Thread John Newman

On February 21, 2017 3:25:28 AM EST, "James A. Donald"  
wrote:
>
>>> As far as I know, every single dispute between Trump and the
>mainstream media turns out this way.
>
>On 2/21/2017 5:13 PM, John Newman wrote:
>> You mean Trump spouts a line of utter nonsense that is quickly
>denounced? Pretty much.
>
>
>Denounced indeed - but the evidence that Trump spoke the truth and the 
>media lied and continued to lie just piles up, and up, and up.
>
>As in the case of events in Sweden, so too in every other case where I 
>am familiar with the facts

How about the 3million+ illegal votes he repeatedly brings up?

His claim that his win was the biggest electoral win in decades?

His claim the US murder rate is the highest in 47 years?

He said only 109 people were affected by his immigration executive order?

Oh, an oldy but a goody - he NEVER made fun of the disabled reporter, right?

It goes on and on and on, I could research this and just keep piling them on, 
but I wont bother. All politicians lie, it's in their nature. However Trump 
takes it to an extreme that I've never seen, and hilariously often lies about 
completely inconsequential shit. Your die-hard defense of him (in fact you 
LITERALLY want a King Trump - "vivat rex", LOL) speaks volumes about your own 
credulity and the fantasy world you crave: only white males who, again 
literally, own their wives, with a medieval sense of social mores. You are a 
special kind of sick, a special kind of stupid, and I'm adding you to a special 
kind of mail filter so I don't keep losing my shit and replying to your insane 
bullshit.

John

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 20:14:01 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:


> 
> When I and others present lots of evidence from multiple sources that 
> Trump was telling the truth about Sweden, 


So let me wrap this up. Antifag, pro-fascist-trump helpfully
provided this link : 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

Here are some key points : 

"Sweden reformed its sex crime legislation and made the legal
definition of rape much wider in 2005" 

OOOPPSS! That's exactly the point in time when 'statistics'
started to 'go through the roof'. Who would have thought it...

"The Swedish police also record each instance of sexual
violence in every case separately, leading to an inflated
number of cases"

And last but not least, the swedish cesspool, a small province
of the americunt empire  " has been ranked as the number one
country in gender equality" 


Anyway, looks like your stupid lies have been thouroughly
exposed james. 




> and the mainstream media
> were lying, you find that no evidence can possibly be good enough.
> 
> In your eyes, no evidence is required to prove Trump wrong, and no 
> evidence can possibly be good enough to prove him right.
>

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

2017-02-21 Thread Razer




On 02/21/2017 08:12 AM, Marina Brown wrote:


The composition of the board of directors says it all. This is not a
reliable source of information. It is a consistant source of propaganda.



For a while, for reasons I can't even imagine except perhaps he was 
misled, or the 'institute' policy did a complete about face, Pepe 
Escobar was on their author's list. He's not listed anymore.


Rr

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On 02/20/2017 11:15 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
>>> The massive wave of Muslim crime, and especially rape, in Sweden, is
>>> glaringly and embarrassingly obvious, another area where Trump speaks
>>> the truth, and mainstream media reports fake news.
>>> ...
>>> Over the last thirteen hundred years, many peoples, nations, kingdoms,
>>> religions, and such, have tried to find a way to coexist with Islam.
>>> None have succeeded.  We will not be the first.  We shall convert, or we
>>> shall die, or we will kill.
> 
> 
> On 2/21/2017 1:54 PM, Marina Brown wrote:
>> Um dude, the crusades are over
> 
> The Crusades are not over until Islam agrees that they are over.
> 
> It takes two to make peace.  And what is happening in Sweden does not
> look much like peace.
> 
> .
> 
Um Trump is a deluded individual who really does not know the difference
between truth and his own fabrications. The Swedish attack did not happen.

It is sad when the racism of otherwise intelligent people allows them to
be manipulated by psychopathic leaders like Trump.



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Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On 02/20/2017 11:32 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
> As far as I know, every single dispute between Trump and the mainstream
> media turns out this way.  The mainstream news lies, Trump tells the
> truth, and you guys burst a blood vessel because news you would prefer
> to conceal becomes generally known.
> 
> At least that is how it turned out with the Swedish rape story, and with
> every story that has come to my attention so far.
> 
> Maybe on some matter that I did not check out, or was not familiar with,
> Trump was lying.  But on every matter that I know about, Trump told the
> truth, and you lot could not handle the truth.
> 

Trump alway lies.

It is sad how quickly a libertarian like you became an authoritarian.



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On 02/21/2017 05:04 AM, James A. Donald wrote:
> I am hugely entertained by the fact that the vast majority of white
> formerly Christian converts to Islam are single fertile age females, and
> that very few converts from Islam to Christianity are fertile age females.
> 
> This may well explain the voting patterns we see, where it is primarily
> women that vote to import the rapeugees, and well explain the fact that
> ads and articles seeking popular support for further imports of
> rapeugees show manly black men rather than cute children.
> 
> Revealed preference, female behavior, suggests that female emancipation
> was a shit test that white Christian males failed, and that conservative
> Muslim males passed.
> 
> I expect that if Islamic State was in the business of kidnapping white
> Christian women, chaining them up in shipping containers, and shipping
> them to Islamic state to be sold to the highest bidder, we would see a
> lot of white single chicks hanging around shipping containers with high
> hopes.
> 
> 
> 

There are guerilla groups fighting ISIS that are recruiting. Why not go
and fight ?

Heck if i was not so old and decrepid i would be over there now. It
hurts me to be left out of the fight.

I mean they would hate your racist attitudes but i am sure they would
take just about anyone willing to lob lead at ISIS.



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Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On 02/21/2017 05:14 AM, James A. Donald wrote:
> On 2/21/2017 7:09 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>> It's pretty offensive and illogical to
>> say that "something is this way simply because I am saying it is this
>> way and the people who don't agree with me are spreading fake news and
>> lying".  Sorry, the world, the life doesn't work this way.  :(
> 
> But that is exactly the reverse of what happens.  You are totally
> certain that Trump was wrong about Sweden, and need absolutely no
> evidence to conclude he was lying or deluded and the mainstream media is
> telling the truth.
> 
> When I and others present lots of evidence from multiple sources that
> Trump was telling the truth about Sweden, and the mainstream media were
> lying, you find that no evidence can possibly be good enough.
> 
> In your eyes, no evidence is required to prove Trump wrong, and no
> evidence can possibly be good enough to prove him right.
> 
> 

C'mon Trump and his crew just pulls things out of their asses to prove
whatever program they wants to do. Admitt it and you will be better for it.



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Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

2017-02-21 Thread Razer

Mashable quoting Rowling isn't the MSM reporting anything except
Rowling's statement.

Here's what MASHABLE said.

A quick refresher: During a speech at a rally in Melbourne, Florida,
held Saturday night, Trump sandwiched a vague reference to Sweden
between references to recent terrorist attacks in Germany, France and
Belgium.

Which IS accurate.

Listen Jim. I wrote, proofed and fact-checked MSM news copy for an
'alt-news radio personality' for over a decade of my life. Handing off
crap like that as "MSM reporting Trump said" is laughable, and in
reality, a weak attempt at creating alt-facts that only an moron would
accept as truth.

But that IS your alt-right's target market. Desperate Morons. And that's
why the so-called 'alt-right' will fail. Morons are vicious midgets, and
turn on their pwnrs the second they don't get what they want out of the
deal b/c 'infantile', and the 'deal' is, in reality, not to their
advantage at all... It can't happen too soon. It will be HILARIOUS to watch.

On 02/21/2017 12:18 AM, jim bell wrote:

*From:* Razer
On 02/20/2017 03:04 PM, jim bell wrote:
> The biased lying MSM chose a specific classification, "terrorism", as
> if Trump had specifically said it.

>Show me an MSM headline, with link to the article, or any copy from an
MSM article and link, that claims Trump was specifically referring to
terrorism. They knew very well he was discussing a non-existent crime
wave and EVERYONE is still wondering what incident recently 'in Sweden'
he was referring to, as is the Swedish government.

Here's an excellent one, assuming you agree that Mashable.com is MSM

http://mashable.com/2017/02/19/donald-trump-sweden-jk-rowling/

[quote begins]
J.K. Rowling has the best response to Trump's non-existent Sweden attack.

The internet can't get enough of President Donald Trump's "last
night in Sweden" remarks, including, of course, J.K. Rowling.

Never one to shy from a little fun

at the expense of the U.S. president, the//author joined in on
Twitter's response

to Trump's confusing reference to a terrorist attack that didn't
actually happen.

SEE ALSO:Internet turns to @Sweden after Trump appears to invent
terror attack

[end of quote]

Clearly, the MSM is repeatedly inventing the assertion that Trump was
referring to "terrorism".

Jim Bell

>Maybe it's this one: Attack in Sweden by neo-Nazis on a refugee centre

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/donald-trump-terror-attack-claim-sweden-neo-nazis-refugee-centre-florida-rally-a7588516.html

>The use of vague speech (allowing for plausible deniability) as a
propaganda tool is well known and all the bs bloggers created with the
'terrorism' claim THEY created is diverting attention away from the fact
that Trump was really making up a 'Swedish Refugee Crime Wave' claim
that's just as much bullshit, and allows creeps like you to point away
from the LIE he told, and idiots, alot like you, believe it.,.

The propaganda tool used here, Diversion.

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On 2/21/2017 7:09 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

It's pretty offensive and illogical to
say that "something is this way simply because I am saying it is this
way and the people who don't agree with me are spreading fake news and
lying".  Sorry, the world, the life doesn't work this way.  :(


But that is exactly the reverse of what happens.  You are totally 
certain that Trump was wrong about Sweden, and need absolutely no 
evidence to conclude he was lying or deluded and the mainstream media is 
telling the truth.


When I and others present lots of evidence from multiple sources that 
Trump was telling the truth about Sweden, and the mainstream media were 
lying, you find that no evidence can possibly be good enough.


In your eyes, no evidence is required to prove Trump wrong, and no 
evidence can possibly be good enough to prove him right.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


On 2/21/2017 3:56 PM, juan wrote:

But didn't you just say that the graph "starts off at normal
northern European levels," ?

Was that 'normal' level of rape due to white joo-kkkristian
rapists?


Sweden, infamously, has an "expansive" definition of rape.  But until 
recently good old fashioned 
stranger-grabs-a-girl-in-the-street-and-breaks-her-face rape was rare.


Which may well be why the Swedish women voted to import the rapeugees. 
They found Swedish men insufficiently manly and hungered for a bit of 
the rough stuff.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

2017-02-21 Thread Cecilia Tanaka

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017, at 5:33 PM, jim bell  wrote:

>
> *From:* Cecilia Tanaka 
>
> >Jim, I respect you, but I don't agree with 80% of your opinions, sorry.
> Maybe Sweden government, the whole 'Internets', all the media and I have
> misunderstood your >President, but I sincerely believe he should study more
> and watch less TV.  It would be much better for him and the rest of the
> world.
>
> I hope you are using that "your President" term in the most generic sense,
> as in 'Jim Bell is American, so Trump is his president".
>

Yes, I said "your President" because the President of your country is
Trump.  In my case, for example, I did't want it, but unfortunately Temer
is "my President" because is the Brazil's actual President, so their bad
and good decisions will be effective in my life and the whole country.
When I say "my President is f*cking my country", it doesn't mean he is mine
or that I am giving support to his acts.  Sorry, I should be clearer.

Someone asked me why I said I respect you.  I didn't said it in the sense
of "Oh, Jim is a human being and I need to respect all lives".  I was
talking about your past, Jim.  You fighted and protested for your beliefs
and it is a thing I respect a lot.  Nowadays, your convictions are very
different from mine in several aspects, but when you complain about a
subject, I know you really believe you are right.  You usually have
coherence.  I detest when someone is hypocrite and more false than fake
news or just want to hurt and annoy people.

Zzzz, for example, oscillates more than all my bipolar friends together,
and just wants to grant benefits at any cost because has no ethics and
moral.  Few months ago, he was whining all the days about how the USA were
the most disgusting and evil country in the whole world, all citizens
included, obviously.  Now, he licks Trump orange balls in public all the
days, always saying how amazing are the USA and their politicians.  Few
months ago, he was always saying Razer was the "guardian of this list", a
"great soul", a "huge heart", a "loyal and superior human being", "the
bastion of truth", and giving him a lot of strange titles all the days.  I
swear I was always thinking "Oh, the jerk had any success with me, so is
trying to flirt and have sex with Razer.  Needy weirdo, hahaha!!".  Now he
offends Razer all the weeks.  Maybe he is feeling rejected.  "No sex with
Ceci, no sex with Razer, Putin never answered to my love letters...  Let's
try Trump!  He loves bizarre sex and I can show him how kangoroos make wild
sex!"

Now he likes to offend Mirimir too, but few months ago, this hypocrite was
always sending off-list messages to Mirimir and copying me.  I never
understood why the heck he was copying me in his private conversations.  I
think he was trying to make me feel "jealous"  - hahaha!! - because he was
openly flirting with Mirimir in his messages, almost licking the guy after
discovering his nick had Russian origins.  It was pretty embarrasing all
the times.  :P

Well, after several months of contradictions, there are lots of reasons to
think his opinions don't have any credibility or value.  My theory about
his mental absence of sanity is he is probably mixing alcohol  (Please,
don't drive drunk, selfish creature!  You are not important to anyone, but
drunk drivers like you can kill good people!), his bizarre foods  (he sent
me some creepy recipes, trying to impress me and wrote millions of times
that I should try his salad sauce, even after being ignored, with no
answers of mine in private, for several weeks, ugh!  Can you understand why
I am always saying he is slow?),  and also very strong drugs, because now
he thinks the USA are more magical than pink unicorns dancing on the
rainbows...  :P

Another person here that I can't understand is Donald.  He is zillions of
times more intelligent than Zzzz, but is cruel and likes to hurt and
humiliate people.  He can say something he knows it is *not* true only to
hurt, provoke and offend people, to have fun, a perverse kind of pleasure.
 :(

I can't say you are like them, Jim.  In all my time on CP list, you were
always coherent.  I don't agree with 80% (or even more) of your opinions,
but you are defending your beliefs, not just disturbing the list for
spreading hate and intolerance.  You, Ju@n and Razer are heard-headed guys,
but I respect you all.  And when Ju@n and Razer are not kicking me, they
are pretty fun and interesting.  I don't agree with them in a lot of
subjects too, but both sincerely like to teach people.  In some moments, J
wanted to kill me, but even when he was very very angry with me, he always
answered to my doubts about all kind of things  (bad words, grammar,
Argentine's food, interesting bibliography, good sci-fi movies, religion,
etc).  Ju@n and Razer have a good heart, even wanting my death in some
moments, hihi...  ;)

I don't think you are a bad person, Jim, but I can't agree with your point
of

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


"James A. Donald"  wrote:

You don't like statistics:  OK:


On 2/21/2017 6:39 PM, juan wrote:

is that directed at me?  I know how to read statistics.


Liar

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 17:45:29 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:

> You don't like statistics:  OK:

is that directed at me?  I know how to read statistics. Of
course you don't like that. 

Now, if you are so kind, provide the source for the pic you
attached. If you don't, then it may be safe to assume it's fake.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

2017-02-21 Thread jim bell

 From: Razer 
On 02/20/2017 03:04 PM, jim bell wrote:
> The biased lying MSM chose a specific classification, "terrorism", as 
> if Trump had specifically said it.

>Show me an MSM headline, with link to the article, or any copy from an 
MSM article and link, that claims Trump was specifically referring to 
terrorism. They knew very well he was discussing a non-existent crime 
wave and EVERYONE is still wondering what incident recently 'in Sweden' 
he was referring to, as is the Swedish government.

Here's an excellent one, assuming you agree that Mashable.com is MSM
http://mashable.com/2017/02/19/donald-trump-sweden-jk-rowling/

[quote begins]J.K. Rowling has the best response to Trump's non-existent Sweden 
attack.

The internet can't get enough of President Donald Trump's "last night in 
Sweden" remarks, including, of course, J.K. Rowling.

Never one to shy from a little fun at the expense of the U.S. president, the 
author joined in on Twitter's response to Trump's confusing reference to a 
terrorist attack that didn't actually happen.

SEE ALSO: Internet turns to @Sweden after Trump appears to invent terror attack

[end of quote]×   
Clearly, the MSM is repeatedly inventing the assertion that Trump was referring 
to "terrorism".
           Jim Bell

>Maybe it's this one: Attack in Sweden by neo-Nazis on a refugee centre

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/donald-trump-terror-attack-claim-sweden-neo-nazis-refugee-centre-florida-rally-a7588516.html

>The use of vague speech (allowing for plausible deniability) as a 
propaganda tool is well known and all the bs bloggers created with the 
'terrorism' claim THEY created is diverting attention away from the fact 
that Trump was really making up a 'Swedish Refugee Crime Wave' claim 
that's just as much bullshit, and allows creeps like you to point away 
from the LIE he told, and idiots, alot like you, believe it.,.

The propaganda tool used here, Diversion.

Rr

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'




As far as I know, every single dispute between Trump and the mainstream media 
turns out this way.


On 2/21/2017 5:13 PM, John Newman wrote:

You mean Trump spouts a line of utter nonsense that is quickly denounced? 
Pretty much.



Denounced indeed - but the evidence that Trump spoke the truth and the 
media lied and continued to lie just piles up, and up, and up.


As in the case of events in Sweden, so too in every other case where I 
am familiar with the facts.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

The Sweden Democrats, and the people who vote for them, know what is 
happening in Sweden.


And they say Trump is right.

And the way the wind blows, they will be in government come the next 
Swedish election, or the one after that.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/765756/Moderate-Party-olive-branch-Eurosceptics-rise-right-Sweden-Democrats
	AS SWEDEN faces an existential crisis with the police in turmoil amid a 
surge in violent crime across the nation, the once liberal country could 
see its left-wing government ousted from power.


And here is a Swedish prog, bemoaning Sweden being insufficently 
generous to Muslims, thereby preventing them from magically becoming 
good Swedish taxpayers:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/trump-right-swedens-refugee-policy-led-problems-never-thought-possible/
	The awful truth is that Trump was right to say they are dealing with 
problems that they never imagined. Who, for example, would have thought 
Sweden would be Europe’s greatest exporter of jihadis?


He thinks that if you pour more money over the heads of Muslims they 
will not become jihadis.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


You don't like statistics:  OK:

Here is a large connection of anecdotes:  Mostly about Swedish swimming 
pools being closed down as a result of Islamic sexual assaults:


https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7577/sweden-migrants-sexual-assault

Which you are not going to hear on the Counterfeit News Network.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

> On Feb 20, 2017, at 11:32 PM, James A. Donald  wrote:
> 
> As far as I know, every single dispute between Trump and the mainstream media 
> turns out this way.  

You mean Trump spouts a line of utter nonsense that is quickly denounced? 
Pretty much.

You're a clown, just like your man Trump is a pathological liar. I love how you 
give yourself a little out every time you repeat this line of shit "maybe on 
some matter i did not check" - because even you must know what a huge load of 
bullshit has come out of the handsome cheetos mouth.

Why the fuck you think any of this is relevant to this list is beyond me. You 
seem to have a loyal base of sycophants on your blog (and moderation to keep 
anyone else out), so why not fuck off back to it?

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:32:38 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:

> At least that is how it turned out with the Swedish rape story, and
> with every story that has come to my attention so far

you just provided a picture with NO SOURCE. Anybody can draw a
graph, you know...

And your data flatly contradicts what Jim B. linked. 

http://www.motherjones.com/files/blog_swedish_crime_survey.jpg

let us know when you get some fake but at least 'offcial' data,
for starters. 

.
> 
> Maybe on some matter that I did not check out, or was not familiar
> with, Trump was lying.  But on every matter that I know about, Trump
> told the truth, and you lot could not handle the truth.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

As far as I know, every single dispute between Trump and the mainstream 
media turns out this way.  The mainstream news lies, Trump tells the 
truth, and you guys burst a blood vessel because news you would prefer 
to conceal becomes generally known.


At least that is how it turned out with the Swedish rape story, and with 
every story that has come to my attention so far.


Maybe on some matter that I did not check out, or was not familiar with, 
Trump was lying.  But on every matter that I know about, Trump told the 
truth, and you lot could not handle the truth.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 15:17:50 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:

> On 2/21/2017 3:04 PM, juan wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:56:45 +1000
> > "James A. Donald"  wrote:
> >
> >> Swedish rape statistics are attached.
> >
> > those are incomplete and meaningless and DO NOT SHOW that
> > "rape [numbers] have gone through the roof."
> 
> Your wish is my command.  Here are Swedish rape statistics over time, 

Too bad you don't have any source for that little image. Maybe
it's the 'official' numbers, maybe it's garbage made up by
timbro or some other swedish fascists. 

So I suggest you get an 'official' link, for starters. 

But assuming your 'statistics' come from the official swedish
fascists, aka the swedish crown, I'll mention for the third
time that sweden is ruled by the feminazis, and the fucking
joo-kristian conservatives who of course are close cousins
of the feminazis. To them anything can be 'rape'.

Anyway, what the graph shows is that in 2004 there was an
increase in the curve's rate of change. So the obvious question
is : what happened in 2004? Perhaps the feminazis came up with a
new legal definition for rape? 

What do you think happened in 2004?

> which start off at normal northern European levels, then go through
> the roof.
> 
> Pretty much as Trump told us, and the Fake News Networks concealed.

did trump said that alleged rapes started to increase in 2004?
No, I don't think he said that. So your are just making
shit up. As always.

> 
> 
> Next question:  Origin of rapist.
> 
> Sweden does not reveal origin of rapist, though anecdotally, all 
> stranger/assault type rapes - all of them - 100% - are by Muslims.

But didn't you just say that the graph "starts off at normal
northern European levels," ? 

Was that 'normal' level of rape due to white joo-kkkristian
rapists? 

> 
> Norway, which is pretty similar to Sweden, does track origin of
> rapist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWWrpv-pbuc
> 
> And yes, in Oslo Norway, all stranger/assault type rapes, all of
> them, are by Muslims.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


On 2/21/2017 3:04 PM, juan wrote:

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:56:45 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:


Swedish rape statistics are attached.


those are incomplete and meaningless and DO NOT SHOW that "rape
[numbers] have gone through the roof."


Your wish is my command.  Here are Swedish rape statistics over time, 
which start off at normal northern European levels, then go through the 
roof.


Pretty much as Trump told us, and the Fake News Networks concealed.


Next question:  Origin of rapist.

Sweden does not reveal origin of rapist, though anecdotally, all 
stranger/assault type rapes - all of them - 100% - are by Muslims.


Norway, which is pretty similar to Sweden, does track origin of rapist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWWrpv-pbuc

And yes, in Oslo Norway, all stranger/assault type rapes, all of them, 
are by Muslims.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


On 2/21/2017 2:40 PM, John Newman wrote:

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/02/trump-exaggerates-swedish-crime/

Henrik Selin, head of the Department for Intercultural Dialogue at the
Swedish Institute, told us the surge of asylum seekers in 2015 has
created challenges for Sweden, but he said reports from right-leaning
media about a surge of immigrant crime have been “highly exaggerated.”



Progressive lies:

We see videos reporting that certain substantial and important areas 
have become no go areas for white women.  These videos are anecdotes of 
particular places and particular times, and could, perhaps like the 
anecdotes of global warming, be cherry picked and unrepresentative.


But:

We also see that thee interpretations of statistics that come up with 
reassuring pieties, interpretations of statistics that tell us Sweden is 
doing fine, are evasive, avoid presenting the data we are genuinely 
interested in, namely, Sweden's extraordinarily high rape rate, and what 
proportion of Sweden's extraordinarily high rape rate is the result of 
rapes by military age Muslims entering as refugee/asylum "children".


From what these pious reassurances do not tell us, from what they avoid 
saying, from what is not said, we can legitimately infer that what the 
anecdotes do tell us is representative of the truth, that Swedes are 
submitting to violent Islamic conquest.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:56:45 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:

> Swedish rape statistics are attached.

those are incomplete and meaningless and DO NOT SHOW that "rape
[numbers] have gone through the roof." 

your data only shows ONE FIGURE FOR ONE YEAR. What you stupid
scumbag need to show is a TIME SERIES, for starters.

> 
> *This* is the story that he was referencing.
> 
>

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


Liar.

His twitter feed says "story broadcast on Fox"

That word "story" makes all the difference.



Rofl. You are grasping at straws with this absurd line of defense

>

"My statement as to what's happening in Sweden was in reference to a
story that was broadcast on @FoxNews"


Which you, and the news media, kept paraphrasing not as "story" but as 
"segment", or "show", as if he was referencing a skit on Saturday night 
live.


Swedish rape statistics are attached.

*This* is the story that he was referencing.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 04:36:28 + (UTC)
jim bell  wrote:


> 
> > Reality that Trump tells us, and that Fake News networks will not
> > tell us, is that Muslim immigration has made Sweden the rape capital
> > of the west.  Just check Sweden's own rape statistics, which have
> > gone through the roof.
> 
> 
>     Where are the links to back your claims? 

> This is a source, but it's from the notoriously hard-right Mother
> Jones magazine.


And there isn't of course NO PROOF that

 "rape statistics, which have gone through the roof." 

Thanks for making my point Jim B. 

Furthermore as I mentioned "Swedish law has an extremely
expansive definition of what qualifies as rape under the law" 

In other words, the 'rape' statistics from swedish feminazis
are a joke. But even taking that into account, there's NO PROOF
at all that 

"rape statistics...have  gone through the roof." 


> http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts

So unlike the fascist clown james donald you were able to
copypaste a link. Thank you. Your link clearly makes MY points.







> 
> ×   
> 
>

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'




On 02/20/2017 08:36 PM, jim bell wrote:



*From:* juan <juan@gmail.com>
*To:* cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
*Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 8:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden 
Asks, 'Wait, What?'


On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:08:26 +1000
"James A. Donald" <jam...@echeque.com <mailto:jam...@echeque.com>> wrote:

> Reality that Trump tells us, and that Fake News networks will not
> tell us, is that Muslim immigration has made Sweden the rape capital
> of the west.  Just check Sweden's own rape statistics, which have
> gone through the roof.


Where are the links to back your claims?

This is a source, but it's from the notoriously hard-right Mother 
Jones magazine.


http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts



Orlando Sentinel reporting the city's own stats and a Swedish news 
outlet using the government's stats linked here: 
https://twitter.com/AuntieImperial/status/833885835242016772


Any questions... Direct them to the sources.

Rr

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

 From: juan <juan@gmail.com>
 To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org 
 Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 8:30 PM
 Subject: Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 
'Wait, What?'

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:08:26 +1000
"James A. Donald" <jam...@echeque.com> wrote:

> Reality that Trump tells us, and that Fake News networks will not
> tell us, is that Muslim immigration has made Sweden the rape capital
> of the west.  Just check Sweden's own rape statistics, which have
> gone through the roof.

    Where are the links to back your claims? 
This is a source, but it's from the notoriously hard-right Mother Jones 
magazine.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/we-should-practice-truth-statistics-even-when-it-hurts

×

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

> On Feb 20, 2017, at 11:25 PM, James A. Donald  wrote:
> 
> Attached are Sweden's rape statistics.
> 
> Which you are not going to hear or see on the Counterfeit News Network, but 
> you will get alerted to by Trump.
> 

I realize nuance and, you know, reading and thinking about something, don't 
come naturally to your or your ilk, but i'll go ahead and repost the following 
link:

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/02/trump-exaggerates-swedish-crime/

Henrik Selin, head of the Department for Intercultural Dialogue at the Swedish 
Institute, told us the surge of asylum seekers in 2015 has created challenges 
for Sweden, but he said reports from right-leaning media about a surge of 
immigrant crime have been “highly exaggerated.”
“So many things are being claimed,” Selin said. “If you look at the facts, 
there is nothing to support the claim that the crime rate took off after the 
160,000 came in 2015.”
Crime has generally been trending down for the last decade, but there was a 
small uptick last year, he said. While it’s true that immigrants have been 
over-represented among those committing crimes — particularly in some suburban 
communities heavily populated by immigrants, he said — the issue of crime and 
immigration is complex. Upon closer examination, Selin said, researchers have 
found that the crime is more closely associated with factors like joblessness, 
poverty and exclusion from society. “It is not clear that immigrants are 
susceptible to committing such crimes,” he said.
Nor is it at all true, Selin said, that there are so-called no-go zones where 
police are afraid to patrol, or where locals have instituted sharia law, as 
Horowitz claimed. Selin’s refutation was echoed by Felipe Estrada Dörner, a 
criminology professor at Stockholm University, interviewed by the Washington 
Post.
But that is not to say there are not some “challenges in the short term … that 
we need to deal with,” Selin said.
Jerzy Sarnecki, a criminology professor at Stockholm University, said that 
claims about surging violence due to immigration are “lies.”
“But really good lies always have a little bit of truth in them,” Sarnecki told 
us in an email. “So also in this case.”
Sarnecki noted that Sweden has a “very broad legal definition of rape” and that 
“Swedish women are aware of their rights and have a high propensity to report 
sexual assaults, and we calculate crimes in a different manner than comparable 
countries.”

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On 02/20/2017 08:11 PM, jim bell wrote:

*From:* Razer 
>> The story in question, being confirmed from many, many sources, being
>> that Sweden now has extraordinarily high levels of rape.

>Orlando, where trump said that stupid thing, had more rapes last year
(7,537) than all of Sweden (5,920)

>Sources here: 
https://twitter.com/AuntieImperial/status/833885835242016772

I wonder what that tells us about the demographics of Orlando vs. 
Sweden?  (I'd say more, but it wouldn't be Politically Correct.)

 Jim Bell

Orlando probably has a lot of sexual predators hanging around b/c 
DisneyWorld ... meaning young female tourists and college students. It 
also has quite the population of Cuban racketeering Gusanos and 
ex-mercenaries like the guy who shot up that Gay bar. Young women around 
mobsters and mercs = high rape risk.

Point is Sweden is NOT the "Rape capital of the world", and the number 
of rapes is DOWN considerably since 2014.

Rr

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:08:26 +1000
"James A. Donald"  wrote:

> Reality that Trump tells us, and that Fake News networks will not
> tell us, is that Muslim immigration has made Sweden the rape capital
> of the west.  Just check Sweden's own rape statistics, which have
> gone through the roof.

Where are the links to back your claims? 

What's the problem? You are so computer-illiterate that you
can't even copypasta a couple of links. 

Oh and if you ever manage to copypasta some bullshit
propaganda  from the swedish gov't bear in mind that in sweden
looking at girl for more than 3 seconds is probablly considered
'rape'.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


Attached are Sweden's rape statistics.

Which you are not going to hear or see on the Counterfeit News Network, 
but you will get alerted to by Trump.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

> On Feb 20, 2017, at 10:57 PM, James A. Donald  wrote:
> 
> James A. Donald  wrote:
>>> He was referring not to the Fox News segment, but to the events described 
>>> in many places, described in that Fox News segment among others.
>>> 
>>> Big difference.
> 
>> On 2/21/2017 1:28 PM, John Newman wrote:
>> He SAID SO HIMSELF!
> 
> Liar.
> 
> His twitter feed says "story broadcast on Fox"
> 
> That word "story" makes all the difference.
> 

Rofl. You are grasping at straws with this absurd line of defense... His 
twitter feed says precisely:

"My statement as to what's happening in Sweden was in reference to a story that 
was broadcast on @FoxNews concerning immigrants & Sweden."

-In reference to a story that was broadcast on @FoxNews.-

You're a mental incompetent, it's obvious what he meant, just as it's obvious 
you're twisting yourself up into all sorts of contortions trying to make it 
something else.

> The story in question, being confirmed from many, many sources, being that 
> Sweden now has extraordinarily high levels of rape.

What the fuck do you care anyway? According to you women always enjoy rape and 
only the husband is hurt by it. I guess you and Trump are crying over all those 
hurt husbands :)

> For another source of *that* *same* *story* that was broadcast on fox:
> 
> https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
> "Sweden is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only by 
> Lesotho in Southern Africa."
> 

Hey, you took my advice and got back to writing rape fantasy! Good on you. 

Here are a couple of *random links* that point out the absurdity of your claim.

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/02/trump-exaggerates-swedish-crime/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/feb/20/what-statistics-say-about-immigration-and-sweden/

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'



 From: Razer 
>> The story in question, being confirmed from many, many sources, being 
>> that Sweden now has extraordinarily high levels of rape.

>Orlando, where trump said that stupid thing, had more rapes last year 
(7,537) than all of Sweden (5,920)

>Sources here: https://twitter.com/AuntieImperial/status/833885835242016772
I wonder what that tells us about the demographics of Orlando vs. Sweden?  (I'd 
say more, but it wouldn't be Politically Correct.)
             Jim Bell

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

Reality that Trump tells us, and that Fake News networks will not tell 
us, is that Muslim immigration has made Sweden the rape capital of the 
west.  Just check Sweden's own rape statistics, which have gone through 
the roof.


Of course their rape statistics do not show who is doing the raping, but 
there are plenty of sexual assault videos that do show who is doing the 
raping.  The rapists are military age Muslim "asylum seekers" who were 
admitted because they claimed to be children, despite having no proof of 
age and looking a lot more like draft dodgers than children.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'




On 02/20/2017 07:57 PM, James A. Donald wrote:



The story in question, being confirmed from many, many sources, being 
that Sweden now has extraordinarily high levels of rape.





Orlando, where trump said that stupid thing, had more rapes last year 
(7,537) than all of Sweden (5,920)


Sources here: https://twitter.com/AuntieImperial/status/833885835242016772

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


James A. Donald  wrote:

He was referring not to the Fox News segment, but to the events described in 
many places, described in that Fox News segment among others.

Big difference.


On 2/21/2017 1:28 PM, John Newman wrote:

He SAID SO HIMSELF!


Liar.

His twitter feed says "story broadcast on Fox"

That word "story" makes all the difference.

The story in question, being confirmed from many, many sources, being 
that Sweden now has extraordinarily high levels of rape.


For another source of *that* *same* *story* that was broadcast on fox:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
"Sweden is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only 
by Lesotho in Southern Africa."

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On 02/20/2017 10:51 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
> On 2/21/2017 1:09 PM, John Newman wrote:
>> This is beyond ridiculous. What the fuck do you think he was referring
>> to, the price of swedish meatballs? Of course he was implying that
>> something to do with security had happened - stop pussyfooting around as
>> if it isn't utterly obvious. It's all a big fucking joke anyway. He was
>> referencing some FAKE NEWS (his and your own favorite word) from what is
>> surely a MSM outlet, Fox, and also a segment that has been debunked.
> 
> Trump was referencing the entirely real news that rape in Sweden has
> risen to extraordinary, intolerable and shocking levels, and that nearly
> all the rapists are young recent Muslim asylum seekers, who claimed to
> be children, but have no identity documents that would show their age
> and who for the most part look substantially older than "children".
> 
> 

I see - identity papers make people safe. Ummm, yeah. Most murderers
have identity papers.

You remind me of the time i passed through E. Germany in 1973. PAPERS
PLEASE !



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On 2/21/2017 1:09 PM, John Newman wrote:

This is beyond ridiculous. What the fuck do you think he was referring
to, the price of swedish meatballs? Of course he was implying that
something to do with security had happened - stop pussyfooting around as
if it isn't utterly obvious. It's all a big fucking joke anyway. He was
referencing some FAKE NEWS (his and your own favorite word) from what is
surely a MSM outlet, Fox, and also a segment that has been debunked.


Trump was referencing the entirely real news that rape in Sweden has 
risen to extraordinary, intolerable and shocking levels, and that nearly 
all the rapists are young recent Muslim asylum seekers, who claimed to 
be children, but have no identity documents that would show their age 
and who for the most part look substantially older than "children".

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On 02/20/2017 10:28 PM, John Newman wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 7:04 PM, James A. Donald  wrote:
>>
>> James A. Donald  wrote:
 Trump did not say that there was a terrorist incident in Sweden.  The 
 press made that up.

 Fake News.  CNN is the Counterfeit News Network.

 I watched his rally, and when he mentioned Sweden I knew what incidents he 
 was referring to.
>>
>>> On 2/21/2017 12:46 AM, John Newman wrote:
>>> He was referring to a fox news segment, as is well documented (by Trump 
>>> himself).
>>
>> Liar
>>
>> He was referring not to the Fox News segment, but to the events described in 
>> many places, described in that Fox News segment among others.
>>
>> Big difference.
>>
> 
> He SAID SO HIMSELF!  Unless his own twitter feed it "FAKE NEWS" ?  Haha, 
> which it of course is!
> 
> Go write some more rape fantasy Jim, it's more your forte.
> 
>>
> 
> 
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Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

Here's a one minute synopsis of the horror (horror I say!) that happened 
in Sweden Friday night:

https://twitter.com/AuntieImperial/status/833880340934504448

Also see this footage of the latest terror attack (CCTV, no audio):
https://twitter.com/AuntieImperial/status/833877845512314880

Rr

Ps. There were more people murdered in Orlando (where Trump said that 
stupid thing) last year than all of Sweden.

On 02/20/2017 07:09 PM, John Newman wrote:

On Feb 20, 2017, at 6:04 PM, jim bell > wrote:

*From:* Razer >

On 02/20/2017 12:45 PM, [somebody] wrote:

>Trump did not say that there was a terrorist incident in Sweden.  The
press made that up.

>No they didn't. They reported he implied... Bloggers claimed he was 
discussing a terorist incident:

That's misleading.  Trump referred to SOMETHING.

This is beyond ridiculous. What the fuck do you think he was referring 
to, the price of swedish meatballs? Of course he was implying that 
something to do with security had happened - stop pussyfooting around 
as if it isn't utterly obvious. It's all a big fucking joke anyway. He 
was referencing some FAKE NEWS (his and your own favorite word) from 
what is surely a MSM outlet, Fox, and also a segment that has been 
debunked.

Stop your libertarian pretense when you clearly love this orange 
fucking cheeto so much and defend him at every turn. I can understand 
why you hate the clintons but the election is OVER (Although someone 
needs to tell moron Trump that, he can't stop mentioning and lying 
about his victory, nor continuing to have his little feel-good rallies)

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'



> On Feb 20, 2017, at 7:04 PM, James A. Donald  wrote:
> 
> James A. Donald  wrote:
>>> Trump did not say that there was a terrorist incident in Sweden.  The press 
>>> made that up.
>>> 
>>> Fake News.  CNN is the Counterfeit News Network.
>>> 
>>> I watched his rally, and when he mentioned Sweden I knew what incidents he 
>>> was referring to.
> 
>> On 2/21/2017 12:46 AM, John Newman wrote:
>> He was referring to a fox news segment, as is well documented (by Trump 
>> himself).
> 
> Liar
> 
> He was referring not to the Fox News segment, but to the events described in 
> many places, described in that Fox News segment among others.
> 
> Big difference.
> 

He SAID SO HIMSELF!  Unless his own twitter feed it "FAKE NEWS" ?  Haha, which 
it of course is!

Go write some more rape fantasy Jim, it's more your forte.

>

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

> On Feb 20, 2017, at 6:04 PM, jim bell  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> From: Razer 
> 
>> On 02/20/2017 12:45 PM, [somebody] wrote:
>> 
>> >Trump did not say that there was a terrorist incident in Sweden.  The 
>> press made that up.
> 
> >No they didn't. They reported he implied... Bloggers claimed he was 
> >discussing a terorist incident:
> 
> That's misleading.  Trump referred to SOMETHING.  

This is beyond ridiculous. What the fuck do you think he was referring to, the 
price of swedish meatballs? Of course he was implying that something to do with 
security had happened - stop pussyfooting around as if it isn't utterly 
obvious. It's all a big fucking joke anyway. He was referencing some FAKE NEWS 
(his and your own favorite word) from what is surely a MSM outlet, Fox, and 
also a segment that has been debunked.

Stop your libertarian pretense when you clearly love this orange fucking cheeto 
so much and defend him at every turn. I can understand why you hate the 
clintons but the election is OVER (Although someone needs to tell moron Trump 
that, he can't stop mentioning and lying about his victory, nor continuing to 
have his little feel-good rallies)

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On 02/20/2017 04:30 PM, James A. Donald wrote:


You are changing your own story.  A short while ago you were totally 
certain Trump had said terrorism.


Quote me troll.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

2017-02-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 03:08:52PM -0800, Razer wrote:
> On 02/20/2017 03:01 PM,a troll wrote:
> >I watched him speak, and he did not imply that to me.
> 
> I don't give a fuck WHAT you think troll.

Well, your purported improprietary of expressing random irrelevant
thoughts certainly never stopped you, for example right here:

"I don't give a fuck WHAT you think troll."

So Razer, why should we give a "f" about your thoughts on
someone else expressing their apropos thoughts?

You're one mighty tautologically ironic troll, Razer!

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


Here's the reality Troll:



Over the weekend, President Donald Trump told attendees at a rally in 
Florida that there had been an “incident” involving Muslim immigrants 
in Sweden late last week, despite the fact that no terrorist attack in 
Sweden occurred at that time.


The source for the president’s claim was a segment on Tucker Carlson’s 
Fox News show that featured filmmaker Ami Horowitz, who talked about 
the purported rise in crime that has resulted from Sweden accepting 
Syrian refugees.


Two Swedish police officers who were interviewed by Horowitz as part 
of his recent film on Muslim immigration in Sweden now say, however, 
that the filmmaker completely misconstrued their comments about crime 
in their country.


In an interview with Swedish publication DN.se, Anders Göranzon and 
Jacob Ekström described Horowitz as a “madman” who dishonestly edited 
their words to make it appear as though Sweden is being overwhelmed by 
a migrant crime wave.


“He has edited the answers,” Göranzon told the publication. “We were 
answering completely different questions in the interview. This is bad 
journalism.”


Horowitz interviewed the two officers while making a video report in 
which he claimed Muslim immigrants have forced Swedish law enforcement 
officials to designate some areas as “no-go zones” where they are too 
afraid to enter.


The officers, however, say that Horowitz simply asked them about the 
difficulties in policing high-crime areas — and that he never once 
asked them anything specifically about Muslim refugees.


“The excerpt they showed doesn’t say anything, we answered a different 
question,” said Göranzon. “We don’t stand behind what he says. He is a 
madman.”


http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/nyheter/swedish-police-featured-in-fox-news-segment-filmmaker-is-a-madman/

Quote source: 
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/swedish-cops-say-trumps-wild-claims-about-sweden-based-on-bad-journalism-by-anti-muslim-madman/

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I watched him speak, and he did not imply that to me.


On 2/21/2017 9:08 AM, Razer wrote:

I don't give a fuck WHAT you think troll.


You don't give a fuck about reality.  You don't care what he said, 
because you have total confidence that fake news is true, and if it is 
not true, you don't care.


I see the media lying all the time, and Trump speaking truth all the 
time, and this is one more such incident of many.


You want to live in a world of your own, and you want everyone who 
brings up unwanted reality gotten rid of.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'




On 02/20/2017 03:01 PM,a troll wrote:


I watched him speak, and he did not imply that to me.




I don't give a fuck WHAT you think troll.

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 From: Razer 
 
 On 02/20/2017 12:45 PM, [somebody] wrote:
  
  
>Trump did not say that there was a terrorist incident in Sweden.  The 
 press made that up.  
 
>No they didn't. They reported he implied... Bloggers claimed he was discussing 
>a terorist incident:
That's misleading.  Trump referred to SOMETHING.  The biased lying MSM chose a 
specific classification, "terrorism", as if Trump had specifically said 
it.Trump was speaking extemporaneously, which of course he has a lot of 
experience doing.  But nevertheless, he was vague about what had happened.  But 
the MSM decided to focus on the "terrorism" angle, precisely because they knew 
it was false:  They knew there had been no obvious 'terrorism' incident, which 
made it useful to misrepresent Trump's intent.  
 
>The Guardian for example: "Donald Trump appears to invent..."
Blaming how the media gets it wrong won't help you, Razer.  
 
>The New York Times: " President Trump escalated his attack on Sweden's 
>migration policies on Monday, doubling down on his suggestion — based on a Fox 
>News report — that refugees in the Scandinavian country were behind a surge in 
>crime and terrorism."
At least that references sounds relatively accurate:  There IS a "surge in 
crime" for which Muslim immigrants are obviously responsible.
 
 Which WAS the subject he was discussing when he brought up that (also 
non-existent) "Crime Wave" by immigrants to Sweden
Definitely not "non-existent".    
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2709224/two-afghan-migrants-revealed-as-those-arrested-over-horrific-three-hour-rape-streamed-on-facebook-live-in-sweden/
   ×   
This cite is, of course, merely a single incident.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4243442/Sweden-suffering-migrant-crime-wave-says-cop.html

×   

  But you need to define what YOU refer to when you mean "crime wave".          
 Jim Bell

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


Trump did not say that there was a terrorist incident in Sweden.  The
press made that up.


On 2/21/2017 7:40 AM, Razer wrote:

No they didn't. They reported he implied


I watched him speak, and he did not imply that to me.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'


On 02/20/2017 12:33 PM, jim bell whined about people who claim:


Trump is "not my President!!!".


Donald Trump is not A president.

He's a so-called president who has no understanding of how the 
government he finds himself in charge of works, nor does he have the 
collaborative and diplomatic capabilities the job requires domestically, 
and certainly not internationally.


For instance. As the UK House of Commons discusses allowing the putz to 
speak, his old tweets come back to haunt him. I'd assume you know who 
"Kate" is?






The electoral college should have rejected him as incapable of 
performing the necessary functions of the orifice, but the electoral 
college has been a bought-off joke for, literally, centuries.


Rr

"...all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious 
and mediocre -- the man who can most easily (and) adeptly disperse the 
notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The presidency tends, year by 
year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office 
represents, more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a 
lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land 
will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be 
adorned by a downright moron." - H.L. Mencken, July 26 1920 Baltimore Sun -

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'



 From: James A. Donald 

James A. Donald wrote:
>> I have not checked every dispute, or even many disputes, but those where
>> I knew the facts, Trump told the truth, and the press lied.

On 2/20/2017 6:06 PM, Marina Brown wrote:
>> Yeah - like terrorist incidents that never happened.
>Trump did not say that there was a terrorist incident in Sweden.  The 
press made that up.
Yes, you are absolutely correct about this.  In many cases, people who comment 
about this negatively simply inserted the "terrorism" subject into it.   See 
this article for many examples:  
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/19/516097504/trump-says-look-whats-happening-in-sweden-sweden-asks-wait-what
     It's what I previously mentioned:  A 'strawman':  Simply invent something 
that your rhetorical opponent DIDN'T say, and 'disprove' it, to great applause 
by the clueless masses.

>Fake News.  CNN is the Counterfeit News Network.

>I watched his rally, and when he mentioned Sweden I knew what incidents 
he was referring to.
So did I, at least I remembered enough incidents about rape by Muslim 
immigrants in Sweden.  If Trump had wanted to mean "terrorism", he is smart 
enough to have used the term.  He didn't.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2709224/two-afghan-migrants-revealed-as-those-arrested-over-horrific-three-hour-rape-streamed-on-facebook-live-in-sweden/

×   

       Jim Bell

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From: Cecilia Tanaka

>Jim, I respect you, but I don't agree with 80% of your opinions, sorry. Maybe
>Sweden government, the whole 'Internets', all the media and I have
>misunderstood your >President, but I sincerely believe he should study more
>and watch less TV. It would be much better for him and the rest of the world.
>
I hope you are using that "your President" term in the most generic sense, as
in 'Jim Bell is American, so Trump is his president". I voted for Gary
Johnson, the Libertarian candidate. So arguably, he is just as much "not my
President" as the various people (Obviously, supporters of Hillary Clinton)
who, even yesterday, were LOUDLY protesting that Trump is "not my President!!!".
In the large majority of cases, when there is a controversy based on what Trump
is supposed to have said or did, and I trace it down by Google searches, I find
that the MSM is misrepresenting what he said or did. Or, they are otherwise
engaging in dishonesty.
Two examples: Recall in about July 2016, Trump and Hillary were invited by the
Mexican president to Mexico; only Trump went, for reasons which were never made
clear. Initially, the media speculated on whether Trump attempted to negotiate
payment for the construction of the wall; Trump denied it. At THAT point, the
MSM 'piled on' Trump, saying, more or less, 'He failed to negotiate the cost of
the wall!!! How awful!!!'.
Problem was, the Logan Act arguably prohibited a private citizen engaging in
diplomacy with a foreign government. So, again arguably, if Trump had indeed
attempted to negotiate that payment, he would have been declared A CRIMINAL
(!!!), for doing exactly that. But since Trump didn't, the MSM went to 'Plan
B', They accused him of FAILING to do those negotiations, the ones that would
have arguably made him a criminal. "Damned if you do, damned if you don't".
I raised this issue many months ago, on CP. I have no doubt at all that this
didn't just happen by accident; it was clearly a trap intended by the news
media, and probably Hillary Clinton's campaign as well.
Example 2: Within less than the last week, I saw an anchor of one of the
three major evening news programs (CBS, NBC, ABC) actually repeat the
longstanding LIE that Trump had called for the Russians to 'hack' Hillary's
email server for those missing (deleted on Hillary's own orders, BTW) emails.
Problems: Trump actually had said, calling on Russia in what I saw was a
humorous statement, to try to FIND those emails, NOT hack them. Another
problem: Hillary's server, on which those emails once existed, had probably
been shut down a year earlier, so their is no possible way (other than
time-travel) for anybody to have actually acted on Trump's request. But, at
the time, it was a very common theme by the (lying) MSM that Trump had somehow
called on Russia to 'hack' SOMETHING. It was never made clear by the MSM what
Trump was asking Russia to 'hack'.
As an example of this continued lying, I present this article:
http://www.salon.com/2016/12/12/donald-trumps-russia-hacking-denials-ignore-that-he-asked-russia-to-hack-hillary-clinton/
That article claimed:
"In July when news of the hacking first broke, Trump openly encouraged Russia
to continue spying on his opponent.“I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re
listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,”
Trump said at a news conference then. “I think you will probably be rewarded
mightily by our press.”"[end of very revealing quote from the article, itself
seeming to quote what Trump said]
How Salon gets from that statement, presumably an exact quote by Trump, to
saying "Trump openly encouraged Russia to continue spying on his opponent", it
is very hard to see. I wouldn't have been surprised if one over-enthusiastic
lying MSM person had made that claim, ONCE, but the push-back on that must have
been fierce. Obviously, and precisely as Trump stated, he wanted Russia (or
anyone else, presumably) to FIND FIND FIND those missing emails. That request,
if it had a hope of being successful, presumes that prior to Hillary's ordered
deletion of those emails, SOMEBODY obtained them, perhaps an outside person, or
possibly an inside person.
(For the life of me, I can't figure out what kind of specific arrangement they
must have had with Platte River Systems, the ISP that handled that system. The
highest priority to such an organization, I imagine for ANY customer, would
have been to ensure that the database of emails NOT be lost, either due to
hardware failure, or other problems. I'd be very surprised to hear that they
didn't have some sort of automatic, daily backup policy, to guarantee that in
no circumstance, more than one day of emails might be lost due to such an
eventuality. These were only emails, probably 99% text-only emails at that.
How big could the database be? How they ended up even

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

> On Feb 20, 2017, at 6:06 AM, James A. Donald  wrote:
> 
> James A. Donald wrote:
>>> I have not checked every dispute, or even many disputes, but those where
>>> I knew the facts, Trump told the truth, and the press lied.
> 
>> On 2/20/2017 6:06 PM, Marina Brown wrote:
>> Yeah - like terrorist incidents that never happened.
> 
> Trump did not say that there was a terrorist incident in Sweden.  The press 
> made that up.
> 
> Fake News.  CNN is the Counterfeit News Network.
> 
> I watched his rally, and when he mentioned Sweden I knew what incidents he 
> was referring to.
> 

He was referring to a fox news segment, as is well documented (by Trump 
himself). The   POTUS gets most of his info off of fucking fox news (where only 
Chris Wallace has started to refuse to toady to him). It's a fucking joke ;)

You are fooling yourself in your huge overestimation of Trump. But i suppose 
that's not much of a stretch, coming from such a regressive, fucked up wanna-be 
slave-owner/rapist like yourself.

>

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James A. Donald wrote:

I have not checked every dispute, or even many disputes, but those where
I knew the facts, Trump told the truth, and the press lied.


On 2/20/2017 6:06 PM, Marina Brown wrote:

Yeah - like terrorist incidents that never happened.


Trump did not say that there was a terrorist incident in Sweden.  The 
press made that up.


Fake News.  CNN is the Counterfeit News Network.

I watched his rally, and when he mentioned Sweden I knew what incidents 
he was referring to.

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

2017-02-20 Thread Cecilia Tanaka

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:06 AM, Marina Brown 
wrote:

>
> Unlike you - i knew Trump once. He was an asshole in the 90's
> and he has perfected his assholism.
>

By the way, still talking about assholes, I tried to be a little bit more
polite and used the expression "
intergluteal cleft"
instead "asscrack", but a friend asked me why a "intergluteal cleft"
, so Z did probably not understand the reference too, uff...  :((

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On 02/20/2017 01:32 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> Jim, I respect you, but I don't agree with 80% of your opinions, sorry. 
> Maybe Sweden government, the whole 'Internets', all the media and I have
> misunderstood your President, but I sincerely believe he should study
> more and watch less TV.  It would be much better for him and the rest of
> the world.  
> 
> OK, I admit all the jokes and memes about Trump are hilarious and
> Saturday Night Live is making me lol a lot, but I swear I would thank
> all the Gods and Goddesses of Universe if your President becomes a more
> rational and logical person.  Sorry, you know I don't respect stupidity
> and ignorance and Trump...  Well, you already know.  :((
> 
> #  Everyone Is Super Confused About Trump’s "Last Night In Sweden" Comments
> 
> https://www.buzzfeed.com/aliciamelvillesmith/a-swedish-librarian-schooled-people-on-twitter-after-trumps
> 
> #  
> Trump Says He Was Talking About A TV Show On Sweden, Okay?
> 
> https://www.buzzfeed.com/dominicholden/trump-says-his-comments-about-sweden-were-referring-to-a-fox
> 
> "
> On Saturday, the president told supporters to “look what’s happening
> last night in Sweden.” On Sunday, he said he was referring to a Fox News
> segment that aired Friday night, not an actual incident in the country.
> "
> 
> #  
> https://www.bustle.com/p/21-sweden-incident-memes-that-hilariously-shed-light-on-a-non-existent-event-39208
> 
> President Trump
>  
> 
> declared the
> news
>  
> m
> edia
>  
> is
>  
> "The Enemy Of The American People"
> , oh!  Pretty impressive, all his stupid mistakes are a 'media
> conspiration'.  Everything he disagrees is considered as "fake news" and
> he tells lies saying they are "alternative facts".  
> 
> Sorry, I had stray cats and dogs more intelligent and expressive than
> him.  All of them were more beautiful and polite too.  I am so sorry for
> your country, but the sad truth is the USA has a joke as President. 
> Well, all politicians are bad taste jokes, but some are more than
> others.  Your ridiculous President, for example, already gave me
> material for several sketches and laughs.  Viva Trump cabron, hahaha!!  ;)
> 
> Well, don't feel so upset.  I don't have any respect for the actual
> President of my country too.  Another bad joke, aff...  :(((
> 

Seriously - maybe it is time to do away with Presidents. They just have
too much power and they tend to be elected as a person rather than by
principles

If a country needs an elected monarch they should be symbolic like the
current monarch of Britain - so tied down that they have no real power.

I have loathed all the Presidents of the US since Jimmy Carter, but the
current joke has made me appreciate the others more in comparison. It
seems US presidents compete on being the "worst president ever".

> PS:  - I pray all the days begging to an eventual God to protect us of
> nuclear explosions and wars, because this dawn orange disgrace will f_ck
> the rest of the world with him.
> 
> 
> --- 
> "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your
> curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go on and do
> all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live."  -  Mae Jemison




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2017-02-20 Thread Cecilia Tanaka

Sorry, forgot to wish the USA cypherpunks a Happy President’s Day!  We
don't have this celebration or the Black History Month here.  Why only one
month to remember sad *real* facts of the History of your country?  :(

https://www.buzzfeed.com/blackhistorymonth

https://www.buzzfeed.com/gabrielsanchez/this-is-what-life-in-america-looked-like-under-jim-crow
 (This post made me cry a lot and some of the comments are really touching.)

---
"Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your
curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go on and do all
you can with it, and make it the life you want to live."  -  Mae Jemison

Re: Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?'

On 02/20/2017 02:38 AM, James A. Donald wrote:
> On 2/20/2017 4:35 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>> Well, at least news media had credibility.
> 
> I have not checked every dispute, or even many disputes, but those where
> I knew the facts, Trump told the truth, and the press lied.
> 
> 
> 

Yeah - like terrorist incidents that never happened.

Unlike you - i knew Trump once. He was an asshole in the 90's
and he has perfected his assholism.

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