Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[Cari Machet]

lets ask the internet archive about it

On 7/8/18, grarpamp  wrote:
>> https://mcmilk.de/projects/7-Zip-zstd/
>
> Oops, unmaintained.
> So Windows users can try this warez instead...
>
> http://www.tc4shell.com/en/7zip/modern7z/
>
> ... or build their own from the standalone tools linked at the
> above page, or by embedding them as tc4 does in this tool...
> https://www.7-zip.org/
>
> Or just use unix.
>
> Mutt and notmuch are within neomutt now.
>
> MD5 and SHA1 are broken long ago.
>
> Bandwidth, [overlay] transfer times and [distributed] storage
> aren't free, why people keep posting 500+MiB links
> when <190MiB <40% is under 3 backgrounded minutes away.
>
>
> https://facebookcorewwwi.onion/juang71atgmaildotcom
>  FREE MEDS
>


-- 


cari machet
about.me/carimachet

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[grarpamp]

> https://mcmilk.de/projects/7-Zip-zstd/

Oops, unmaintained.
So Windows users can try this warez instead...

http://www.tc4shell.com/en/7zip/modern7z/

... or build their own from the standalone tools linked at the
above page, or by embedding them as tc4 does in this tool...
https://www.7-zip.org/

Or just use unix.

Mutt and notmuch are within neomutt now.

MD5 and SHA1 are broken long ago.

Bandwidth, [overlay] transfer times and [distributed] storage
aren't free, why people keep posting 500+MiB links
when <190MiB <40% is under 3 backgrounded minutes away.


https://facebookcorewwwi.onion/juang71atgmaildotcom
 FREE MEDS

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[Greg Newby]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 06:30:37AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 07, 2018 at 07:26:21PM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 07, 2018 at 05:32:21AM -0700, Greg Newby wrote:
> > > The .tar.bz2 file has 92,195 individual files.  I appended them all to a 
> > > single file, which email clients can open as an mbox file.  But mailx 
> > > reported 84519 messages, and mutt reported 84531.
> > >
> > 
> > How long does it take opening them with Mutt?
> > 
> > My mutt takes more than 10 seconds to open mbox with about 11K messages
> > the first time.
> > 
> > Any workarounds for mutt?
> 
> notmutch-mutt
> 
> Or otherwise use notmuch to index all your email.
> 
> Instantaneosity FTW :)

Just a few seconds (under 5) on the systems I tried.

On a recent Macbook, this is NeoMutt 20180512 via Mac Ports.

On the PGLAF server, Mutt 1.5.21 (2010-09-15) under Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS

Both systems have recent CPUs and > 4GB of memory, which probably helps.

Theoretically I can parse the mbox file into the list archives at 
https://lists.cpunks.org so they are navigable like the rest of the post-2013 
archive that's already there.  I'll take a look at this...

The cypherpunks archive is public, so it will then become indexable by Google 
and the other search engines.
  https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/

  - Greg

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2018 at 07:26:21PM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 07, 2018 at 05:32:21AM -0700, Greg Newby wrote:
> > The .tar.bz2 file has 92,195 individual files.  I appended them all to a 
> > single file, which email clients can open as an mbox file.  But mailx 
> > reported 84519 messages, and mutt reported 84531.
> >
> 
> How long does it take opening them with Mutt?
> 
> My mutt takes more than 10 seconds to open mbox with about 11K messages
> the first time.
> 
> Any workarounds for mutt?

notmutch-mutt

Or otherwise use notmuch to index all your email.

Instantaneosity FTW :)

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[Georgi Guninski]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2018 at 05:32:21AM -0700, Greg Newby wrote:
> The .tar.bz2 file has 92,195 individual files.  I appended them all to a 
> single file, which email clients can open as an mbox file.  But mailx 
> reported 84519 messages, and mutt reported 84531.
>

How long does it take opening them with Mutt?

My mutt takes more than 10 seconds to open mbox with about 11K messages
the first time.

Any workarounds for mutt?
 

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[Greg Newby]

I will try to find a way to add these older items to the archives at 
https://lists.cpunks.org so it's findable there.  (I'm the guy who currently 
runs Mailman and the server there.) 

The .tar.bz2 file has 92,195 individual files.  I appended them all to a single 
file, which email clients can open as an mbox file.  But mailx reported 84519 
messages, and mutt reported 84531.

I have temporarily put this combined file here, until I can add them to 
lists.cpunks.org somewhere under /var/lib/mailman:

All files concatenated as-is:
http://www.petascale.org/cypherpunks-1999-2015.mbox
md5sum:  2a4ed20b98411cfd18c69765b21c30d2  cypherpunks-1999-2015.mbox


Presumably the other ~7664 files have something that gives the email clients I 
tried indigestion.  So I appended a blank line to each file, and then ran 
"formail -ds" on each file.  Now mailx reports and mutt(neomutt) reports 96969 
messages.

All files concatenated after being "fixed" as described:
http://www.petascale.org/cypherpunks-1999-2015-fixed.mbox
a08b619f3bcc92253dbd9140956c79ef  cypherpunks-1999-2015-fixed.mbox


There are four messages from pre-1999.  Then, lots from 1999 starting with:

  Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 02:32:36 -0800
  From: Matthew X 
  To: cypherpu...@einstein.ssz.com
  Cc: dec...@well.com
  Subject: War on terra

There are messages going through 2016, and lots of messages with broken headers 
from formail.  It would take more work to "fix" whatever might be broken for 
all the files in the .bz2 work.  The 'nmh' email client might be helpful for 
this, since it uses individual files, rather than mbox files.

If anyone has ideas about how to create an improved mbox file (or simply 
provides one) I can add that to the lists.cpunks.org archive instead.  I will 
also add the .bz2 which provides individual files.  I'm glad that Riad had this 
older set!

Enjoy!
  - Greg

On Fri, Jul 06, 2018 at 11:09:47AM +0200, Tom Busby wrote:
> I managed the extract that file successfully.
> 
> I uploaded the extract to GitHub if you wanna just git clone it instead:
> 
> https://github.com/cryptoanarchywiki/2000-to-2016-raw-cypherpunks-archive
> 
> On Fri, 6 Jul 2018, 5:40 am Steve Kinney,  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > On 07/05/2018 07:20 PM, juan wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > quote:
> > > From: "Riad S. Wahby" 
> > > Subject: Re: moving on
> > > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:44:31 -0700
> > >
> > > Done! This tarball goes back as far as 1999, though I'm not certain
> > > it's a complete archive. Note that prior to the LNE node, the list
> > > was 100% unfiltered, so what's below includes a decent amount of spam.
> > > All told, it's about 95k messages in Maildir format.
> > >
> > > https://cpunks.org/cpunk/cypherpunks.tar.bz2
> >
> > wget sez:  HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
> >
> > > https://cpunks.org/cpunk/cypherpunks.tar.bz2.asc
> >
> > wget sez:  HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
> >
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > >
> > >   I uploaded a copy of those archives here
> > >
> > >   https://www6.zippyshare.com/v/H0msMEKw/file.html
> >
> > Seems legit except 'extract' has been chewing on the file for 45 minutes
> > now without spitting out any useful bits that I can see, while 'top'
> > indicates 99% of CPU cycles dedicated to the task.  It's kind of
> > reassuring that 'extract' reports files in "GNU tar format" were found.
> > But @126 MB I would expect /most/ archive files of this size to unpack
> > in way less than a minute here.
> >
> > amidoinitrite?
> >
> > Has anybody got a verifiably useful copy?
> >
> > :o)
> >
> >
> >

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[juan]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 18:37:17 -0400
grarpamp  wrote:

> bz2 is ancient and painful, do not use it.

the linux kernel is even older - do not use it

> the newer lz's, and of course
> zstandard
> https://github.com/facebook/zstd
 FACEBOOK


"Zstandard is currently deployed within Facebook. " 


what - the fuck - is wrong with you grarpamp ? 

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[grarpamp]

bz2 is ancient and painful, do not use it.

Same for everything else in general purpose lossless
compression field except brotli, the newer lz's, and of course
zstandard which is rapidly becoming a common default
across systems and tools.
https://github.com/facebook/zstd
https://mcmilk.de/projects/7-Zip-zstd/

I accept datasets.

Cypherpunks isn't dying.

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[juan]

On Thu, 5 Jul 2018 23:39:06 -0400
Steve Kinney  wrote:


> Seems legit except 'extract' has been chewing on the file for 45 minutes
> now without spitting out any useful bits that I can see, while 'top'
> indicates 99% of CPU cycles dedicated to the task.  It's kind of
> reassuring that 'extract' reports files in "GNU tar format" were found.
> But @126 MB I would expect /most/ archive files of this size to unpack
> in way less than a minute here.
> 
> amidoinitrite?

not sure about extract, I used bzip2 and tar -xf

IIRC it takes a couple of minutes to unpack in my rather old machine. 
Maybe your disk is almost full? 

 
> Has anybody got a verifiably useful copy?
> 
> :o)
> 
> 

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[Tom Busby]

I managed the extract that file successfully.

I uploaded the extract to GitHub if you wanna just git clone it instead:

https://github.com/cryptoanarchywiki/2000-to-2016-raw-cypherpunks-archive

On Fri, 6 Jul 2018, 5:40 am Steve Kinney,  wrote:

>
>
> On 07/05/2018 07:20 PM, juan wrote:
> >
> >
> > quote:
> > From: "Riad S. Wahby" 
> > Subject: Re: moving on
> > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:44:31 -0700
> >
> > Done! This tarball goes back as far as 1999, though I'm not certain
> > it's a complete archive. Note that prior to the LNE node, the list
> > was 100% unfiltered, so what's below includes a decent amount of spam.
> > All told, it's about 95k messages in Maildir format.
> >
> > https://cpunks.org/cpunk/cypherpunks.tar.bz2
>
> wget sez:  HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
>
> > https://cpunks.org/cpunk/cypherpunks.tar.bz2.asc
>
> wget sez:  HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
>
> >
> > -
> >
> >
> >   I uploaded a copy of those archives here
> >
> >   https://www6.zippyshare.com/v/H0msMEKw/file.html
>
> Seems legit except 'extract' has been chewing on the file for 45 minutes
> now without spitting out any useful bits that I can see, while 'top'
> indicates 99% of CPU cycles dedicated to the task.  It's kind of
> reassuring that 'extract' reports files in "GNU tar format" were found.
> But @126 MB I would expect /most/ archive files of this size to unpack
> in way less than a minute here.
>
> amidoinitrite?
>
> Has anybody got a verifiably useful copy?
>
> :o)
>
>
>

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[Steve Kinney]

On 07/05/2018 07:20 PM, juan wrote:
> 
> 
> quote:
> From: "Riad S. Wahby" 
> Subject: Re: moving on
> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:44:31 -0700
> 
> Done! This tarball goes back as far as 1999, though I'm not certain
> it's a complete archive. Note that prior to the LNE node, the list
> was 100% unfiltered, so what's below includes a decent amount of spam.
> All told, it's about 95k messages in Maildir format.
> 
> https://cpunks.org/cpunk/cypherpunks.tar.bz2

wget sez:  HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found

> https://cpunks.org/cpunk/cypherpunks.tar.bz2.asc

wget sez:  HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found

> 
> -
> 
> 
>   I uploaded a copy of those archives here 
> 
>   https://www6.zippyshare.com/v/H0msMEKw/file.html

Seems legit except 'extract' has been chewing on the file for 45 minutes
now without spitting out any useful bits that I can see, while 'top'
indicates 99% of CPU cycles dedicated to the task.  It's kind of
reassuring that 'extract' reports files in "GNU tar format" were found.
But @126 MB I would expect /most/ archive files of this size to unpack
in way less than a minute here.

amidoinitrite?

Has anybody got a verifiably useful copy?

:o)




signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[Tom Busby]

On 6 July 2018 at 02:07,  wrote:

> I have a solid archive 2002-present. Set up an FTP site and post the
> details to the list
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> Sent using Guerrillamail.com
> Block or report abuse: https://www.guerrillamail.com/
> /abuse/?a=VU55JQ8VULYMxgC9%2FnQe
>
>
>
Hi, send me a password in the same way. I'll get the FTP set up (though it
will likely be monday before I can).

Once I've done that, I'll post the details to the list, absent the password
you chose.

On 5 July 2018 at 21:46, Tom Busby  wrote:

> I've written a blog post about this with further details if anyone is
> interested:
>
> https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/blog/2018/07/05/the-cypherpunks-mailing-list-
> archives-must-be-preserved.html
>
> The primary reason I'm sending this email is to appeal to those of you who
> have been active on the list since before July 2013 (when the switch to GNU
> Mailman occurred) and to those of you who know now-inactive subscribers who
> may also have this information.
>
> There is a total black hole in terms of available archived threads from
> early 1999 to mid 2013. I've contacted the guy who ran the al-qaeda.net
> node and dug around in the way back machine trying to locate these
> archives. No luck so far.
>
> I'm worried this information will be lost permanently if a concerted
> effort isn't made to preserve it now, while *some* of it is perhaps still
> preserved on people's hard drives. I have no doubt that some (maybe most)
> of the threads from the early 2000s may already be lost permanently.
>
> Please get in touch if you think you can help out at all.
>
> Tom Busby
>

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[Tom Busby]

Thanks for the peace of mind there. Very much appreciated.

On Fri, 6 Jul 2018, 1:46 am Zenaan Harkness,  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 08:24:04PM -0300, Juan wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > for what it's worth
> >
> > https://www6.zippyshare.com/v/H0msMEKw/file.html
> >
> > sha256sum
> >
> > 2d2c8fb79ae60f9a33ba2f78efad7a6106b931c59345a1e03b2c8eca0c87645c
> cypherpunks.tar.bz2_
>
> I confirm this SHA256 value against my copy of the named file.
>

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[Tom Busby]

This is fantastic. Thank you very much. I was expecting to have to gather
this stuff piecemeal.

On Fri, 6 Jul 2018, 1:21 am juan,  wrote:

>
>
>
> for what it's worth
>
> https://www6.zippyshare.com/v/H0msMEKw/file.html
>
> sha256sum
>
> 2d2c8fb79ae60f9a33ba2f78efad7a6106b931c59345a1e03b2c8eca0c87645c
> cypherpunks.tar.bz2_
>

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 08:24:04PM -0300, Juan wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> for what it's worth 
> 
> https://www6.zippyshare.com/v/H0msMEKw/file.html
> 
> sha256sum 
> 
> 2d2c8fb79ae60f9a33ba2f78efad7a6106b931c59345a1e03b2c8eca0c87645c  
> cypherpunks.tar.bz2_

I confirm this SHA256 value against my copy of the named file.

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[Zenaan Harkness]

.asc attached

cheers,


On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 08:20:07PM -0300, Juan wrote:
> 
> 
> quote:
> From: "Riad S. Wahby" 
> Subject: Re: moving on
> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:44:31 -0700
> 
> Done! This tarball goes back as far as 1999, though I'm not certain
> it's a complete archive. Note that prior to the LNE node, the list
> was 100% unfiltered, so what's below includes a decent amount of spam.
> All told, it's about 95k messages in Maildir format.
> 
> https://cpunks.org/cpunk/cypherpunks.tar.bz2
> https://cpunks.org/cpunk/cypherpunks.tar.bz2.asc
> 
> -
> 
> 
>   I uploaded a copy of those archives here 
> 
>   https://www6.zippyshare.com/v/H0msMEKw/file.html
> 
> 
>   I didn't get(nor verified...) the signature so you'll have to take my 
> word for it =P
> 
> 
> 
> > I've written a blog post about this with further details if anyone is
> > interested:
> > 
> > https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/blog/2018/07/05/the-cypherpunks-mailing-list-archives-must-be-preserved.html
> > 
> > The primary reason I'm sending this email is to appeal to those of you who
> > have been active on the list since before July 2013 (when the switch to GNU
> > Mailman occurred) and to those of you who know now-inactive subscribers who
> > may also have this information.
> > 
> 
> > Please get in touch if you think you can help out at all.
> > 
> > Tom Busby
> 
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Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[juan]

for what it's worth 

https://www6.zippyshare.com/v/H0msMEKw/file.html

sha256sum 

2d2c8fb79ae60f9a33ba2f78efad7a6106b931c59345a1e03b2c8eca0c87645c  
cypherpunks.tar.bz2_

Re: We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[juan]

quote:
From: "Riad S. Wahby" 
Subject: Re: moving on
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 20:44:31 -0700

Done! This tarball goes back as far as 1999, though I'm not certain
it's a complete archive. Note that prior to the LNE node, the list
was 100% unfiltered, so what's below includes a decent amount of spam.
All told, it's about 95k messages in Maildir format.

https://cpunks.org/cpunk/cypherpunks.tar.bz2
https://cpunks.org/cpunk/cypherpunks.tar.bz2.asc

-


I uploaded a copy of those archives here 

https://www6.zippyshare.com/v/H0msMEKw/file.html


I didn't get(nor verified...) the signature so you'll have to take my 
word for it =P



> I've written a blog post about this with further details if anyone is
> interested:
> 
> https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/blog/2018/07/05/the-cypherpunks-mailing-list-archives-must-be-preserved.html
> 
> The primary reason I'm sending this email is to appeal to those of you who
> have been active on the list since before July 2013 (when the switch to GNU
> Mailman occurred) and to those of you who know now-inactive subscribers who
> may also have this information.
> 

> Please get in touch if you think you can help out at all.
> 
> Tom Busby

We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!

[Tom Busby]

I've written a blog post about this with further details if anyone is
interested:

https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/blog/2018/07/05/the-cypherpunks-mailing-list-archives-must-be-preserved.html

The primary reason I'm sending this email is to appeal to those of you who
have been active on the list since before July 2013 (when the switch to GNU
Mailman occurred) and to those of you who know now-inactive subscribers who
may also have this information.

There is a total black hole in terms of available archived threads from
early 1999 to mid 2013. I've contacted the guy who ran the al-qaeda.net
node and dug around in the way back machine trying to locate these
archives. No luck so far.

I'm worried this information will be lost permanently if a concerted effort
isn't made to preserve it now, while *some* of it is perhaps still
preserved on people's hard drives. I have no doubt that some (maybe most)
of the threads from the early 2000s may already be lost permanently.

Please get in touch if you think you can help out at all.

Tom Busby