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2004-04-17 Thread Marcel Popescu
From: Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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2004-04-17 Thread Peter Gutmann
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2004-04-17 Thread Eric Cordian
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There used to be a service called Boypics, which thumbnailed and decoded
all of Usenet's picture newsgroups for easy Web access.  I think they
ultimately closed down after prosecutorial grumbling, although they were
just yet another way of reading Usenet, and didn't monitor content, nor
log what their users looked at.

The indemnity of Usenet providers over content becomes a considerably more
grey area if the Usenet content is processed to some form other than
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Well, of course, it shouldn't matter if they know.  I mean, everyone who
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 for their actions than other hosts of Usenet material.

It's clear that the current administration would like to corral Usenet.  
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 Usenet groups that contained child pornography. One firm, Buffalo-based
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 2001 and paid a $5,000 fine.

Right.  That was the Dennis Vacco nonsense, when he announced that he had
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You should look at the policy of Giganews over child porn.  They say call
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porn.  I imagine this is true of most ISPs.  I'd hate to think sysadmins
would need to sit and view pictures all day trying to decide the age of
the participants.

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Yes, send the owners of an age verification service to prison for life
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Again, this is an example of people who were told by the best legal advice
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My take on Landslide is apparently enjoying a life of its own on the Web.

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The feds are still grepping the Reedy's customer list by country, and
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pedo-bashing is a national sport, there appear to be few takers.

These festivities are called Operation Ore, by the way.  And the news
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Of course, if you'll lie to start a war in Iraq, you'll probably lie about
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This is the new crime the Feebs are trying to fabricate.  Paying for
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2004-04-17 Thread R. A. Hettinga
http://news.com.com/2102-1038_3-5190826.html?tag=st.util.print

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For close to half a decade, entertainment executives and copyright-averse
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Pho e-mail list. Now that forum is under siege.

Membership is falling, even though subscription requests are rising. In
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have fallen incommunicado behind bulk mail filters, and have had to be
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Recently, whole companies--including Time Warner and CNET Networks,
publisher of News.com--have periodically started bouncing the list's
messages. That's not only frustrated subscribers who miss out on their
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have to clear their servers of thousands of returned messages a day.

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What's new:
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Bottom line: Many e-mail groups are responding by changing their format to
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popular content-distribution format used by bloggers and news sites.

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co-founder of the Pho list. What we're discussing is the passing of a
medium. It is alarming to me that one of the most basic features of the Net
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 It's far too early to write an obituary for e-mail lists. The 30-year-old
medium has confronted crises before and has been reborn with the help of
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Idea: Offshore gambling as gateway between real and electronic money

2004-04-17 Thread Thomas Shaddack

Adoption of anonymous e-money is to great degree hindered by the lack of
infrastructure to convert this currency to/from meatspace money.
However, there is possible a method, using offshore gambling companies.

There may be a special kind of gamble, that looks from the outside
like regular betting, but where the participants to certain degree know
the betting results, allowing use of their e-money to gain insight into
the game - using meatspace money as a bet and e-money to buy the
knowledge of cards/numbers/whatever in the value of the e-money that
allows a sure win of that amount.

In other words: Without use of the e-money, the game is a normal game,
with appropriate probability of win. With the e-money, the player can buy
the 100%-certain win of a given value.

Conversely, a rigged game with 0%-probability of win could be used for
depositing the real money and converting them to e-money.

Is this approach possible?
Is this approach feasible?
Where are the hidden problems there?



Sniper rifle implants tracking chip

2004-04-17 Thread Poindexter
I wonder if this site was put up for April 1st.

http://www.backfire.dk/EMPIRENORTH/newsite/products_en001.htm

also see their homeland security alert product

http://www.backfire.dk/EMPIRENORTH/newsite/products_en002.htm



Usenet Dead. Film at 11

2004-04-17 Thread R. A. Hettinga
http://www.wcnc.com/sharedcontent/nationworld/nationprint/041704ccdrnatporn.13580c5ed.html

WCNC.com | News for Charlotte, N.C. | Nation/World


Saturday April 17, 2004 8:09 p.m.


Seized Web servers raise freedom concerns

By DAVID B. CARUSO / Associated Press

 PHILADELPHIA - For $9.95 a month, a small company offered access to a
search tool that would scour electronic bulletin boards for millions of
uncensored movies and photographs and serve up an all-you-can-eat taste
of 'the Internet gone wild!'

 Voicenet Communications executives said they didn't know users also were
using their system to access child pornography until January, when
authorities seized the computer servers that ran their QuikVue search
program, a lawyer for the company said.

 Despite a burgeoning amount of online child pornography, prosecutors have
been cautious in their handling of Internet companies that don't
manufacture or distribute illegal content themselves, but do make it easier
for customers to see material posted by others.

 The seizure of Voicenet's servers in suburban Ivyland was the first time a
Pennsylvania law enforcement agency has stopped an Internet firm from
facilitating access to child porn, lawyers said.

 No criminal charges have been filed but investigators said in court
filings that they want to examine lists of QuikVue subscribers.

 It also was a rarity nationwide. Some free speech advocates have accused
prosecutors of ignoring a federal law that generally protects Internet
service providers from criminal liability when their systems are used to
disseminate child pornography without their knowledge.

 Voicenet claimed in a federal lawsuit filed last month that QuikVue merely
allowed customers to easily access files posted in discussion groups on
Usenet, an enormous system of electronic bulletin boards.

 The company's attorney, Mark Sheppard, said the company had no control
over what people posted to the groups, and was no more criminally liable
for their actions than other hosts of Usenet material.

 This case has very important implications, from a First Amendment
standpoint and from a privacy standpoint, Sheppard said. If Internet
service providers are going to have to worry about getting their servers
seized, then you have to wonder whether they can continue to offer access
to Usenet.

 The firm asked a federal judge last week to order the government to return
its equipment.

 Lawyers for Pennsylvania Attorney General Gerald Pappert and two county
district attorneys involved in the investigation argued that the court
should not intervene in an active criminal probe.

 The judge did not indicate when she would rule.

 The case has few precedents.

 Investigators in New York pressed criminal charges against a pair of
Internet service providers in 1998 for allegedly failing to block access to
Usenet groups that contained child pornography. One firm, Buffalo-based
BuffNet, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of criminal facilitation in
2001 and paid a $5,000 fine.

 The case helped establish that when an Internet service provider becomes
aware of child pornography being on its system, it has an obligation to do
something about it, said Paul Larrabee, a spokesman for New York Attorney
General Eliot Spitzer.

 A federal judge imposed a tougher penalty on a Texas couple convicted in
2000 of operating a service that gave subscribers passwords to overseas Web
sites containing child pornography. A judge sentenced Thomas Reedy to life
in prison. His wife, who helped run the business, got 14 years.

 Prosecutors said that even though the couple didn't post child pornography
themselves, they knowingly facilitated access to it and shared their
profits with the Web sites responsible for the illegal material.

 John Morris, an attorney with the Center for Democracy and Technology, a
civil liberties group, said companies like Voicenet can block access to
improper Usenet content, but don't always know what people are posting on
their system.

 It's one thing to seize a server that is being used for a single Web site
that is illegally serving up child pornography, Morris said. But to go
into an ISP and seize servers that have millions of postings on them that
are perfectly lawful, with no real evidence that the ISP was intentionally
doing anything criminal, is a much more questionable situation.

 ---

 On the Net:

 Voicenet Communications: http://www.voicenet.com

 Center for Democracy and Technology: http://www.cdt.org


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[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'



Anonymity vs reputation question

2004-04-17 Thread Thomas Shaddack

Thinking about something, I found an interesting problem. It is possible
to set up a reputation-based system with nyms, where every nym is an
identity with attached reputation.

The problem is, a nym that exists for a long time can get its anonymity
partially or fully compromised. Abandonment of the nym and using a blank
one leads to loss of the reputation and related credibility.

Is it possible to have a system where nyms can share reputation without
divulging the links between them? That would allow the possibility of eg.
publishing as a new identity while still having the weight of an
already established seasoned professional.

I suppose this problem is already known and maybe even solved. Am I
correct?



Re: Anonymity vs reputation question

2004-04-17 Thread Marcel Popescu
From: Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Is it possible to have a system where nyms can share reputation without
 divulging the links between them? That would allow the possibility of eg.
 publishing as a new identity while still having the weight of an
 already established seasoned professional.

Yes, I'm pretty sure Brands' certificates can be used for something like
this - AFAICR, you could prove one relevant attribute (reputation on list X)
without making it possible to link it with anything else (nym).

Mark



Re: Idea: Offshore gambling as gateway between real and electronic money

2004-04-17 Thread Bill Stewart
At 11:35 AM 4/17/2004, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
Adoption of anonymous e-money is to great degree hindered by the lack of
infrastructure to convert this currency to/from meatspace money.
However, there is possible a method, using offshore gambling companies.
You're trying too hard.
Gambling has always been a convenient money-laundering technique,
as long as the casinos accept the kinds of money you're trying to launder.
That's also why spook agencies get anti-money-laundering laws passed.
If the casino will take your ecash and give you chips,
and you want to make a pretense of gambling rather than
just turning the chips back in for conventional euros,
go bet ~half the chips on red, ~half on black,
some insurance money on green, and tip the croupier,
and the casino collects their 1/37 or 2/38 cut.
.. Your winnings, sir.







Re: Fortress America mans the ramparts

2004-04-17 Thread Peter Gutmann
Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

PS: what happens if your passport's chip doesn't work?   Do you get sent back
and the airline fined $10K?  Do you wait extra time while the still-readable
passport number indexes your record online? How much extra time?  (Anyone
have experience with domestic eg traffic pigs discovering that your magstrip
is corrupted?)

Are all chip biometrics encrypted with the same key?  How much does that cost
on BlackNet these days?How much extra should our Seals Flaps and
Documents dept charge?

Details are available from sources like
http://www.icao.int/mrtd/download/documents/Biometrics%20deployment%20of%20Machine%20Readable%20Travel%20Documents.pdf
and
http://www.icao.int/mrtd/download/documents/PKI%20Digital%20Signatures.PDF
(in general the docs are at http://www.icao.int/mrtd/download/documents/,
where MRTD = machine-readable travel documents) although you have to be
careful what you reference since they're still frantically updating the
designs as they go, so any document will be out of date in a few months.  It's
also being (as far as I can tell) designed by people with little or no
security experience, under intense pressure from the US to Do Something About
Security.  Early technical drafts I saw (not the generic whitepapers on the
site, which are pretty vague) were an appalling pile of kludgery.  From what
I've heard since then it hasn't gotten any better.  I dunno whether this is
because the work is being contracted out to the Usual Suspects, who don't know
much about the area, or whether they did try and get experienced people in and
were told that what they were trying to do wouldn't work and/or couldn't be
done in less than 5-10 years.

Peter.



Sniper rifle implants tracking chip

2004-04-17 Thread Poindexter
I wonder if this site was put up for April 1st.

http://www.backfire.dk/EMPIRENORTH/newsite/products_en001.htm

also see their homeland security alert product

http://www.backfire.dk/EMPIRENORTH/newsite/products_en002.htm



Idea: Offshore gambling as gateway between real and electronic money

2004-04-17 Thread Thomas Shaddack

Adoption of anonymous e-money is to great degree hindered by the lack of
infrastructure to convert this currency to/from meatspace money.
However, there is possible a method, using offshore gambling companies.

There may be a special kind of gamble, that looks from the outside
like regular betting, but where the participants to certain degree know
the betting results, allowing use of their e-money to gain insight into
the game - using meatspace money as a bet and e-money to buy the
knowledge of cards/numbers/whatever in the value of the e-money that
allows a sure win of that amount.

In other words: Without use of the e-money, the game is a normal game,
with appropriate probability of win. With the e-money, the player can buy
the 100%-certain win of a given value.

Conversely, a rigged game with 0%-probability of win could be used for
depositing the real money and converting them to e-money.

Is this approach possible?
Is this approach feasible?
Where are the hidden problems there?



Usenet Dead. Film at 11

2004-04-17 Thread R. A. Hettinga
http://www.wcnc.com/sharedcontent/nationworld/nationprint/041704ccdrnatporn.13580c5ed.html

WCNC.com | News for Charlotte, N.C. | Nation/World


Saturday April 17, 2004 8:09 p.m.


Seized Web servers raise freedom concerns

By DAVID B. CARUSO / Associated Press

 PHILADELPHIA - For $9.95 a month, a small company offered access to a
search tool that would scour electronic bulletin boards for millions of
uncensored movies and photographs and serve up an all-you-can-eat taste
of 'the Internet gone wild!'

 Voicenet Communications executives said they didn't know users also were
using their system to access child pornography until January, when
authorities seized the computer servers that ran their QuikVue search
program, a lawyer for the company said.

 Despite a burgeoning amount of online child pornography, prosecutors have
been cautious in their handling of Internet companies that don't
manufacture or distribute illegal content themselves, but do make it easier
for customers to see material posted by others.

 The seizure of Voicenet's servers in suburban Ivyland was the first time a
Pennsylvania law enforcement agency has stopped an Internet firm from
facilitating access to child porn, lawyers said.

 No criminal charges have been filed but investigators said in court
filings that they want to examine lists of QuikVue subscribers.

 It also was a rarity nationwide. Some free speech advocates have accused
prosecutors of ignoring a federal law that generally protects Internet
service providers from criminal liability when their systems are used to
disseminate child pornography without their knowledge.

 Voicenet claimed in a federal lawsuit filed last month that QuikVue merely
allowed customers to easily access files posted in discussion groups on
Usenet, an enormous system of electronic bulletin boards.

 The company's attorney, Mark Sheppard, said the company had no control
over what people posted to the groups, and was no more criminally liable
for their actions than other hosts of Usenet material.

 This case has very important implications, from a First Amendment
standpoint and from a privacy standpoint, Sheppard said. If Internet
service providers are going to have to worry about getting their servers
seized, then you have to wonder whether they can continue to offer access
to Usenet.

 The firm asked a federal judge last week to order the government to return
its equipment.

 Lawyers for Pennsylvania Attorney General Gerald Pappert and two county
district attorneys involved in the investigation argued that the court
should not intervene in an active criminal probe.

 The judge did not indicate when she would rule.

 The case has few precedents.

 Investigators in New York pressed criminal charges against a pair of
Internet service providers in 1998 for allegedly failing to block access to
Usenet groups that contained child pornography. One firm, Buffalo-based
BuffNet, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of criminal facilitation in
2001 and paid a $5,000 fine.

 The case helped establish that when an Internet service provider becomes
aware of child pornography being on its system, it has an obligation to do
something about it, said Paul Larrabee, a spokesman for New York Attorney
General Eliot Spitzer.

 A federal judge imposed a tougher penalty on a Texas couple convicted in
2000 of operating a service that gave subscribers passwords to overseas Web
sites containing child pornography. A judge sentenced Thomas Reedy to life
in prison. His wife, who helped run the business, got 14 years.

 Prosecutors said that even though the couple didn't post child pornography
themselves, they knowingly facilitated access to it and shared their
profits with the Web sites responsible for the illegal material.

 John Morris, an attorney with the Center for Democracy and Technology, a
civil liberties group, said companies like Voicenet can block access to
improper Usenet content, but don't always know what people are posting on
their system.

 It's one thing to seize a server that is being used for a single Web site
that is illegally serving up child pornography, Morris said. But to go
into an ISP and seize servers that have millions of postings on them that
are perfectly lawful, with no real evidence that the ISP was intentionally
doing anything criminal, is a much more questionable situation.

 ---

 On the Net:

 Voicenet Communications: http://www.voicenet.com

 Center for Democracy and Technology: http://www.cdt.org


-- 
-
R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'



Re: Usenet Dead. Film at 11

2004-04-17 Thread Eric Cordian
RAH clipped:

 search tool that would scour electronic bulletin boards for millions of
 uncensored movies and photographs and serve up an all-you-can-eat taste
 of 'the Internet gone wild!'

There used to be a service called Boypics, which thumbnailed and decoded
all of Usenet's picture newsgroups for easy Web access.  I think they
ultimately closed down after prosecutorial grumbling, although they were
just yet another way of reading Usenet, and didn't monitor content, nor
log what their users looked at.

The indemnity of Usenet providers over content becomes a considerably more
grey area if the Usenet content is processed to some form other than
articles, even if that processing is done mechanically, without peeking at
what is being processed.

  Voicenet Communications executives said they didn't know users also were
 using their system to access child pornography until January, when
 authorities seized the computer servers that ran their QuikVue search
 program, a lawyer for the company said.

Well, of course, it shouldn't matter if they know.  I mean, everyone who
has a router through which an uncensored Usenet feed passes knows  
illegal porn and warez are included.  That doesn't make them madams of
the child porn bordello, to borrow a colorful phrase from the Landslide
circus.

  The company's attorney, Mark Sheppard, said the company had no control
 over what people posted to the groups, and was no more criminally liable
 for their actions than other hosts of Usenet material.

It's clear that the current administration would like to corral Usenet.  
This is the first appearance under the tent of something which resembles
the nose of a camel.

  Investigators in New York pressed criminal charges against a pair of
 Internet service providers in 1998 for allegedly failing to block access to
 Usenet groups that contained child pornography. One firm, Buffalo-based
 BuffNet, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of criminal facilitation in
 2001 and paid a $5,000 fine.

Right.  That was the Dennis Vacco nonsense, when he announced that he had
singlehanded stopped an International Child POrn Ring and that Pedo
University was a real organization.  He lost the election.

When it became evident that they were going to investigate the two
companies Vacco had attacked forever and cost them as much money as they
could, they rolled over, which was good for them as individual
corporations, but bad for the larger picture.

  The case helped establish that when an Internet service provider becomes
 aware of child pornography being on its system, it has an obligation to do
 something about it, said Paul Larrabee, a spokesman for New York Attorney
 General Eliot Spitzer.

You should look at the policy of Giganews over child porn.  They say call
the FBI.  They are not qualified to determine what it and is not child
porn.  I imagine this is true of most ISPs.  I'd hate to think sysadmins
would need to sit and view pictures all day trying to decide the age of
the participants.

  A federal judge imposed a tougher penalty on a Texas couple convicted in
 2000 of operating a service that gave subscribers passwords to overseas Web
 sites containing child pornography. A judge sentenced Thomas Reedy to life
 in prison. His wife, who helped run the business, got 14 years.

Yes, send the owners of an age verification service to prison for life
because two of their sites not located in the US were alleged to have
child porn.

Again, this is an example of people who were told by the best legal advice
they could obtain that they weren't liable for content getting screwed
over by a jury and a prosecutorial performance that belonged on the Jerry
Springer show.

My take on Landslide is apparently enjoying a life of its own on the Web.

http://www.p-loog.info/English/ashcroft_lies.htm

The feds are still grepping the Reedy's customer list by country, and
trying to browbeat foreign LEAs into running around searching peoples
computers and taking their children away.  Aside from the UK, where
pedo-bashing is a national sport, there appear to be few takers.

These festivities are called Operation Ore, by the way.  And the news
stories are replete with factual errors, calling everyone who had an age
verification code from Landslide, a person who paid to access child porn
on the Internet, for instance.

Of course, if you'll lie to start a war in Iraq, you'll probably lie about
anything.

  Prosecutors said that even though the couple didn't post child pornography
 themselves, they knowingly facilitated access to it and shared their
 profits with the Web sites responsible for the illegal material.

This is the new crime the Feebs are trying to fabricate.  Paying for
access to child porn.  This is a step beyond even possession laws, and
could be used to put people in prison for just having a subscription to an
ISP or USenet provider that carries an uncensored fed, or owning an adult
check code that allows access to a single offsore web site