Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities
On 24 Feb 2003, Tom Veil wrote: You're sounding more and more like a LEO troll. If I was a LEO, would I have called for the killing of gun-grabbing LEOs in a recent Usenet post? Oh, the irony... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities
On 24 Feb 2003, Tom Veil wrote: You're sounding more and more like a LEO troll. If I was a LEO, would I have called for the killing of gun-grabbing LEOs in a recent Usenet post? Oh, the irony... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities
Just out of curiosity, which of the following would you classify as racist: Group(s) pushing Black Pride Group(s) pushing Latino Pride Group(s) pushing White Pride Group(s) pushing to Buy Black Group(s) pushing to Buy White I submit that all of the above are blatantly, obviously, racist, although I suspect I'll get a different evaluation from you... -- Yours J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Cardenas wrote: Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:01:38 -0800 From: Cardenas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities You're a fucking racist. If you can't understand why black and latino pride is necessary after centuries of murderous oppression, the pick up a book. Things may have been more violent in the 70's, but thats great. Some people think that revolutions don't happen by sitting behind a keyboard. MEChA is not a gang, they're an important part of helping lots of young people to be concious of their own heritage. And I respect the people who are willing to dedicate their lives to something with meaning a lot more than making more microchips for the rich. You're right about evolution though, all those women's studies and black studies programs are helping evolution along, so that racists like you can have their eyes opened more often. This is by far the most disgusting thing I've read on this list to date, and is a huge demonstration of your lilliputian mindedness. On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 11:03:25AM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 10:28 AM, Ken Brown wrote: Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: Black leadership is one potential issue here, but the other ethnic groups that do so well in the US have no identifiable leaders here. Which is precisely why those ethnic groups do so well, while U.S. blacks do not. The value of leaders is vastly overrated in American society. Same over here in London. I'm a white, English, middle-class sort of bloke. Who are my community leaders? It goes beyond just the black leaders thing--it's also about black pride. My eye-opening experience was my arrival in college (as Brits would say, at university) in 1970. UCSB, in beautiful Santa Barbara. There I found students from diverse backgrounds and cultures, mixing in the classrooms, the dorms, and the eating halls. Except for the negroes, who all sat together at one set of tables in whichever eating hall they were in. There may have been a few stragglers scattered amongst the other tables, but basically it was de facto, self-selected segregation. Much was spouted about black pride, and the negroes took to wearing huge afros with pimp-combs in their hair. They openly insulted whitey. Essentially, they aligned themselves into a gang. Many of them switched dorm rooms around, resulting in de facto creation of segregated dorm halls. White students avoided these ghettoes, for good reason. (I interviewed in 1971 for a R.A. (resident assistant) position, to help with living costs, and my negro interviewer only asked my questions about what CORE was, what SNCC was, etc. My answers were PC enough, and I was turned down. More and more of the R.A.s were negroes by 1973.) Special departments were created to handle the surge in negro students: Black Studies was the main one, with Sociology expanded to teach classes about the oppression and the marginalization of the black race, blah blah. Swahili was the language they took to meet the minimal foreign language requirements. There were no negroes in my math or physics classes. They were active, however, in student government. One of them, a woman named Judy McClellan, used to hop up on the conference tables in the student government meetings and walk up and down, ranting and screaming at the non-negro, non-Hispanic students. She once, according to reporters for the student newspaper who were in the meeting, had her negro aides stand at the doors so she could tell the council that nobody is leaving until you pass this (something about funding for her programs, etc.). The next year the President of the student council, one Robert Norris, flashed a revolver at white students who were opposing one of his resolutions. When this was reported in the campus newspaper, bails of the newspapers were thrown into the lagoon by negroes. I wrote all of this up in a letter which I sent in June of 1973 to the Regents of the University of California. I included descriptions of many of the atrocities, including the shakedown of funds from white students to go to bogus inner city youth programs (including purchase of a $2500 rare comic book about negroes, a comic book which nobody could later produce to investigators). I described the La Raza Libre Hispanic gang on
Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters andminorities
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: In the 80s I worked in one of the toughest High Schools in the country, in Brooklyn. During the late 60 and early seventies I briefly attended IS44 in New York City. This was one of the schools over which Al Shanker's teachers went on strike for combat pay. One of my students was brutally murdered, and throughout a semester several would be out sick due to being atacked with knives. Routine inner city school life. (This was in addition to fireworks being set off regularly in the halls, gang fights, rampant vandalism and recreational fires and so on.) Routine inner city life. And yet it was quite clear to me that the intelligence level of these students was by no means much less than that of whites at good high schools (I attended a famous Science and math HS in NYC.). Agreed. Completely. Except for the caliber of school. My Gladiator School had teachers who were just too stupid to leave - to put that another way, the smart ones left after their first rape or beating experience, leaving only the incompetents who knew less than the students they were teaching. The sad thing was that these kids really had never been exposed to the why of education, and asked me regularly about the basic math I was teaching them: Why do we have to learn this? We'll never use this in real life. The problem is that they were more correct in this than you were: most of the white folks in my classes at Gladiator School went on to real jobs, whether or not they were qualified for them. Most of the black kids went on to bottom feeder jobs, regardless of what they were actually qualified for. This could, obviously, be anything or everything from self-fulfilling prophecy to overt discrimination More than this, they couldn't even really conceive of a life without the ubiquitous violence and filth around them. Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. Every kid I went to school with dreamt of lives without the violence. There was no real reason to do well or get a good job. In the end, it not only felt futile to work there, it was depressing. Futile - mostly. Depressing, definitely, but the rest of that is apologist bullshit. We did well so we could GET OUT. I did worse than most of the friends I had who made it out, but those who did were adamant from the getgo that OUT was the goal, and no brain dead dyslexic and illiterate/innumerate teacher was going to get in the way. Apologist bullshit: chant it with me... Was this black people's fault? Nah. It's all of our fault. Whatever. -TD _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities
Just out of curiosity, which of the following would you classify as racist: Group(s) pushing Black Pride Group(s) pushing Latino Pride Group(s) pushing White Pride Group(s) pushing to Buy Black Group(s) pushing to Buy White I submit that all of the above are blatantly, obviously, racist, although I suspect I'll get a different evaluation from you... -- Yours J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Cardenas wrote: Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:01:38 -0800 From: Cardenas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities You're a fucking racist. If you can't understand why black and latino pride is necessary after centuries of murderous oppression, the pick up a book. Things may have been more violent in the 70's, but thats great. Some people think that revolutions don't happen by sitting behind a keyboard. MEChA is not a gang, they're an important part of helping lots of young people to be concious of their own heritage. And I respect the people who are willing to dedicate their lives to something with meaning a lot more than making more microchips for the rich. You're right about evolution though, all those women's studies and black studies programs are helping evolution along, so that racists like you can have their eyes opened more often. This is by far the most disgusting thing I've read on this list to date, and is a huge demonstration of your lilliputian mindedness. On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 11:03:25AM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 10:28 AM, Ken Brown wrote: Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: Black leadership is one potential issue here, but the other ethnic groups that do so well in the US have no identifiable leaders here. Which is precisely why those ethnic groups do so well, while U.S. blacks do not. The value of leaders is vastly overrated in American society. Same over here in London. I'm a white, English, middle-class sort of bloke. Who are my community leaders? It goes beyond just the black leaders thing--it's also about black pride. My eye-opening experience was my arrival in college (as Brits would say, at university) in 1970. UCSB, in beautiful Santa Barbara. There I found students from diverse backgrounds and cultures, mixing in the classrooms, the dorms, and the eating halls. Except for the negroes, who all sat together at one set of tables in whichever eating hall they were in. There may have been a few stragglers scattered amongst the other tables, but basically it was de facto, self-selected segregation. Much was spouted about black pride, and the negroes took to wearing huge afros with pimp-combs in their hair. They openly insulted whitey. Essentially, they aligned themselves into a gang. Many of them switched dorm rooms around, resulting in de facto creation of segregated dorm halls. White students avoided these ghettoes, for good reason. (I interviewed in 1971 for a R.A. (resident assistant) position, to help with living costs, and my negro interviewer only asked my questions about what CORE was, what SNCC was, etc. My answers were PC enough, and I was turned down. More and more of the R.A.s were negroes by 1973.) Special departments were created to handle the surge in negro students: Black Studies was the main one, with Sociology expanded to teach classes about the oppression and the marginalization of the black race, blah blah. Swahili was the language they took to meet the minimal foreign language requirements. There were no negroes in my math or physics classes. They were active, however, in student government. One of them, a woman named Judy McClellan, used to hop up on the conference tables in the student government meetings and walk up and down, ranting and screaming at the non-negro, non-Hispanic students. She once, according to reporters for the student newspaper who were in the meeting, had her negro aides stand at the doors so she could tell the council that nobody is leaving until you pass this (something about funding for her programs, etc.). The next year the President of the student council, one Robert Norris, flashed a revolver at white students who were opposing one of his resolutions. When this was reported in the campus newspaper, bails of the newspapers were thrown into the lagoon by negroes. I wrote all of this up in a letter which I sent in June of 1973 to the Regents of the University of California. I included descriptions of many of the atrocities, including the shakedown of funds from white students to go to bogus inner city youth programs (including purchase of a $2500 rare comic book about negroes, a comic book which nobody could later produce to investigators). I described the La Raza Libre Hispanic gang on
Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters andminorities
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: In the 80s I worked in one of the toughest High Schools in the country, in Brooklyn. During the late 60 and early seventies I briefly attended IS44 in New York City. This was one of the schools over which Al Shanker's teachers went on strike for combat pay. One of my students was brutally murdered, and throughout a semester several would be out sick due to being atacked with knives. Routine inner city school life. (This was in addition to fireworks being set off regularly in the halls, gang fights, rampant vandalism and recreational fires and so on.) Routine inner city life. And yet it was quite clear to me that the intelligence level of these students was by no means much less than that of whites at good high schools (I attended a famous Science and math HS in NYC.). Agreed. Completely. Except for the caliber of school. My Gladiator School had teachers who were just too stupid to leave - to put that another way, the smart ones left after their first rape or beating experience, leaving only the incompetents who knew less than the students they were teaching. The sad thing was that these kids really had never been exposed to the why of education, and asked me regularly about the basic math I was teaching them: Why do we have to learn this? We'll never use this in real life. The problem is that they were more correct in this than you were: most of the white folks in my classes at Gladiator School went on to real jobs, whether or not they were qualified for them. Most of the black kids went on to bottom feeder jobs, regardless of what they were actually qualified for. This could, obviously, be anything or everything from self-fulfilling prophecy to overt discrimination More than this, they couldn't even really conceive of a life without the ubiquitous violence and filth around them. Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. Every kid I went to school with dreamt of lives without the violence. There was no real reason to do well or get a good job. In the end, it not only felt futile to work there, it was depressing. Futile - mostly. Depressing, definitely, but the rest of that is apologist bullshit. We did well so we could GET OUT. I did worse than most of the friends I had who made it out, but those who did were adamant from the getgo that OUT was the goal, and no brain dead dyslexic and illiterate/innumerate teacher was going to get in the way. Apologist bullshit: chant it with me... Was this black people's fault? Nah. It's all of our fault. Whatever. -TD _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Remops] Obituary for Janis Jagars (Disastry) (fwd)
If this appeared here, I missed it, so... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:31:34 -0800 (PST) From: Len Sassaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Remops] Obituary for Janis Jagars (Disastry) Janis Jagars, known to many people on the Internet by his handle Disastry, was a prolific programmer who made numerous valuable contributions to the Internet. I am afraid I cannot do his memory justice, having known him only a short number of years and only through his work on privacy enhancing programs, but he earned my respect and appreciation for his achievements in that area. I first met Janis Jagars while I was employed by PGP Security. In preparation for the release of PGP 7, I located and contacted the people responsible for other implementations of OpenPGP, in order to set up interop testing. Janis was working on updating the DOS-aware PGP 2.6.3i program to work with modern implementations of PGP. His work on that program, and his presence in the IETF OpenPGP working group, helped to smooth over a number of PGP compatibility problems. On the PGP newsgroups and mailing lists, Janis helped many new PGP users get started using email encryption, and tirelessly answered support questions for privacy-related programs. To my knowledge, Janis operated the only anonymous remailer to exist in Latvia. Janis was, by the original definition, a true Cypherpunk. He believed that privacy was a right that must not be denied to Internet users, and he wrote code to help ensure that it could not be. When he needed a way to easily send encrypted email through Netscape, he wrote a plugin. When he wanted a way to mount PGPdisk volumes under Linux, he wrote a conversion tool. When Windows users wanted a pre-compiled version GnuPG, Janis gave them one. Janis understood that the fight for Internet privacy must take place at the hands of programmers, and he rose to the challenge of bring useful privacy-enhancing programs into existence, and into the hands of the public. Immediately after the terrorist attacks in September, 2001, I took over maintenance of the Mixmaster anonymous remailer project. Mixmaster had been unmaintained for over a year, and needed serious work. I was delighted when I received email from Janis, offering his help. Over the next year, entirely of his own initiative, Janis ported Mixmaster's server functionality to Windows, brought Mixmaster's OpenPGP support from an unstable alpha state to a solid, usable feature set, and established himself as an invaluable member of the Mixmaster development team. The upcoming Mixmaster 3.0 release features a number of crucial improvements which would not have happened had it not been for Janis's involvement. My last communication with Janis was on October 11th of last year. He had planned a vacation in Nepal, and expected to return a month later. When he did not return, we feared the worst. Sadly, it turns out that our fears were true: On October 31, while descending from Lobuche summit, Janis fell 250m, and did not survive. I am dedicating this year's CodeCon conference to Janis's memory. Janis will be missed, but his contributions will still be appreciated and utilized. It is my hope that Janis's work will serve as an example for other like-minded programmers, who chose to give their time and code in the name of free speech and privacy. Len Sassaman 13 February 2003 San Francisco, CA -- Janis's home page may be viewed here: http://web.archive.org/web/20010927055328/disastry.dhs.org/ News of his accident can be found here: http://www.vertikalex.lv/minisurvey/Discussion/ShowMessage.asp?ID=4703 ___ Remops mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://freedom.gmsociety.org/mailman/listinfo/remops
Re: CDR: Re: Life Sentence for Medical Marijuana?
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Ken Brown wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: And then there's the PERSISTENT rumors of him actually taking an accidental DEA bust in a Florida airport after landing a fresh new cargo. Supposedly this was a bit of a snafu and they had to let him go on the hush-hush...(And I keep hearing there's video of that bust.) Oh, PERSISTENT rumours eh? So they must be true. The TRANSIENT sort are just a pack of lies. Valid point. Besides, this guy has done enough things that have been *verified*, that no mere rumor is necessary to impeach his moral standing. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: Carter's statement yesterday
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Thanks, I found the full text at http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/news/0203/01carter.html I must have been trying too early before, all I could find was partial quotes. The world will be awaiting Wednesday's presentation of specific evidence by Secretary of State Colin Powell concerning Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction. Yeah, like I would trust Colin Powell on *anything*. Remember, this is the same guy who denied that My Lai had happened, issuing a public statement that relations between the United States and the South Vietnamese are excellent. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: Life Sentence for Medical Marijuana?
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Ken Brown wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: And then there's the PERSISTENT rumors of him actually taking an accidental DEA bust in a Florida airport after landing a fresh new cargo. Supposedly this was a bit of a snafu and they had to let him go on the hush-hush...(And I keep hearing there's video of that bust.) Oh, PERSISTENT rumours eh? So they must be true. The TRANSIENT sort are just a pack of lies. Valid point. Besides, this guy has done enough things that have been *verified*, that no mere rumor is necessary to impeach his moral standing. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: Carter's statement yesterday
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Thanks, I found the full text at http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/news/0203/01carter.html I must have been trying too early before, all I could find was partial quotes. The world will be awaiting Wednesday's presentation of specific evidence by Secretary of State Colin Powell concerning Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction. Yeah, like I would trust Colin Powell on *anything*. Remember, this is the same guy who denied that My Lai had happened, issuing a public statement that relations between the United States and the South Vietnamese are excellent. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: Forget VOA -- new exec order creating Global Communications Office
On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Bill Stewart wrote: VoA has spent the last N decades alternating between being the official US propaganda arm, and officially NOT being a US propaganda arm, just an organization we fund to make sure there's objective news reporting receivable in Communist countries (ok, ok, being the official US less-official propaganda arm) This is most likely an attempt to escape the VoA name. VoA was forever tainted by their deep Iran-Contra involvement, and like all businesses caught red-handed, a name change can often be a key survival technique. My guess is VoA thought that their forced lay-low period could come to an end with Shrub [making an attempt at] running the POTUS show, and a name change would be the most expedient way to come out of dormancy. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: Supremes and thieves.
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Marc de Piolenc wrote: The US Constitution prohibits ex post facto laws. Which has not stopped them yet. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: Forget VOA -- new exec order creating Global Communications Office
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, W H Robinson wrote: The President understands that reaching global audiences - especially people who are open to the truth but unsure or critical of some aspects of America - will take many years, but we must begin to make a difference now. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark mustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother. Last time I heard someone say that, they were stood on my doorstep with a Bible in their hand. That was George all right... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: Small taste of things to come if the war on Iraq happens.
This is about the lamest thing I have read in years. On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, our offensive against Starbucks wasn't so much against Starbucks per se. We wanted to utilize some crappy generic corporate art to auto-destroy another establishment that, at the time, was rapidly crystallizing brand consciousness in the minds of consumers. So, to put this in a language other than Dot-Com Drivel, you picked on the first thing that came to mind, blindly, and then tried to figure out how to justify it later. By destroying a Starbucks, we wished to introduce a crystal imperfection, so that alternate, non-corporate-driven considerations of branding might be catalyzed. We continue to maintain the right to develop truly populist forms of conception towards consumer items, independent of the desire of the coporate state. Yet more Dot-Com Drivel. Do you write web pages for living? Unfortunately, we incurred our first casualty, one Robert Paulson. Note the willingness of rentacops to use deadly force to stop someone who was finished in the destruction of mere property. This, according to the establishment, was justified as an act of violence against violence. I agree that death was an inappropriate sentence here, while I also realize that there is an delicious Darwinian twist as well. As for Starbucks itself, we have no particular qualm. And with this one sentence, you have utterly destroyed your credibility. -Tyler Durden -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: Small taste of things to come if the war on Iraq happens.
Could be. If it is, that'll teach me (again...) to read the whole thread rather than try to just empty my [overflowing] mailbox... On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:50:35 -0600 From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alif The Terrible [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Small taste of things to come if the war on Iraq happens. Hmm, I thought it was satire. On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 02:36:33PM -0600, Alif The Terrible wrote: This is about the lamest thing I have read in years. On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, our offensive against Starbucks wasn't so much against Starbucks per se. We wanted to utilize some crappy generic corporate art to auto-destroy another establishment that, at the time, was rapidly crystallizing brand consciousness in the minds of consumers. So, to put this in a language other than Dot-Com Drivel, you picked on the first thing that came to mind, blindly, and then tried to figure out how to justify it later. By destroying a Starbucks, we wished to introduce a crystal imperfection, so that alternate, non-corporate-driven considerations of branding might be catalyzed. We continue to maintain the right to develop truly populist forms of conception towards consumer items, independent of the desire of the coporate state. Yet more Dot-Com Drivel. Do you write web pages for living? Unfortunately, we incurred our first casualty, one Robert Paulson. Note the willingness of rentacops to use deadly force to stop someone who was finished in the destruction of mere property. This, according to the establishment, was justified as an act of violence against violence. I agree that death was an inappropriate sentence here, while I also realize that there is an delicious Darwinian twist as well. As for Starbucks itself, we have no particular qualm. And with this one sentence, you have utterly destroyed your credibility. -Tyler Durden -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: Small taste of things to come if the war on Iraq happens.
This is about the lamest thing I have read in years. On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, our offensive against Starbucks wasn't so much against Starbucks per se. We wanted to utilize some crappy generic corporate art to auto-destroy another establishment that, at the time, was rapidly crystallizing brand consciousness in the minds of consumers. So, to put this in a language other than Dot-Com Drivel, you picked on the first thing that came to mind, blindly, and then tried to figure out how to justify it later. By destroying a Starbucks, we wished to introduce a crystal imperfection, so that alternate, non-corporate-driven considerations of branding might be catalyzed. We continue to maintain the right to develop truly populist forms of conception towards consumer items, independent of the desire of the coporate state. Yet more Dot-Com Drivel. Do you write web pages for living? Unfortunately, we incurred our first casualty, one Robert Paulson. Note the willingness of rentacops to use deadly force to stop someone who was finished in the destruction of mere property. This, according to the establishment, was justified as an act of violence against violence. I agree that death was an inappropriate sentence here, while I also realize that there is an delicious Darwinian twist as well. As for Starbucks itself, we have no particular qualm. And with this one sentence, you have utterly destroyed your credibility. -Tyler Durden -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: Small taste of things to come if the war on Iraq happens.
Could be. If it is, that'll teach me (again...) to read the whole thread rather than try to just empty my [overflowing] mailbox... On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:50:35 -0600 From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alif The Terrible [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Small taste of things to come if the war on Iraq happens. Hmm, I thought it was satire. On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 02:36:33PM -0600, Alif The Terrible wrote: This is about the lamest thing I have read in years. On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, our offensive against Starbucks wasn't so much against Starbucks per se. We wanted to utilize some crappy generic corporate art to auto-destroy another establishment that, at the time, was rapidly crystallizing brand consciousness in the minds of consumers. So, to put this in a language other than Dot-Com Drivel, you picked on the first thing that came to mind, blindly, and then tried to figure out how to justify it later. By destroying a Starbucks, we wished to introduce a crystal imperfection, so that alternate, non-corporate-driven considerations of branding might be catalyzed. We continue to maintain the right to develop truly populist forms of conception towards consumer items, independent of the desire of the coporate state. Yet more Dot-Com Drivel. Do you write web pages for living? Unfortunately, we incurred our first casualty, one Robert Paulson. Note the willingness of rentacops to use deadly force to stop someone who was finished in the destruction of mere property. This, according to the establishment, was justified as an act of violence against violence. I agree that death was an inappropriate sentence here, while I also realize that there is an delicious Darwinian twist as well. As for Starbucks itself, we have no particular qualm. And with this one sentence, you have utterly destroyed your credibility. -Tyler Durden -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
[FW] Australia crime figures, 1 year post disarmament
Note: I have an inquiry with the GCA in Australia, who is calling this new law a victory. From: Ed Chenel, a police officer in Australia. Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!) While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. You won't see this data on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the state Assembly disseminating this information. The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note Americans, before it's to late! --- To unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe antisocial as the entire message.
Re: [AntiSocial] Re: The Geodesic Economy: World Peace Through Free Trade
On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Bill Stewart wrote: At 07:05 PM 12/29/2002 -0600, Alif The Terrible wrote an archetypical New Yorker's summary of the plans: 1* - Sucks 2 - Sucks 3 - Sucks - shoot the architect now! 4 - Sucks totally 5 - Sucks even worse 6 - Not so hot, but maybe 7 - Also not so hot but maybe Whole thing is a scam anyway Obviously 9/11 hasn't fundamentally changed the city's character. Would you love us any other way? * Disclaimer: I may have the different plans slightly out of order It's OK: the order in which they sucked wasn't really relevent anyway :-) -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: RE: The Geodesic Economy: World Peace Through Free Trade
On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: R. A. Hettinga[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I wonder what people, especially from New York City, think about the new proposals for Lower Manhattan and World Trade Center site that came out this week. http://www.lowermanhattan.info/rebuild/new_design_plans/ My qualifications: I lived in NYC when I was a little kid, and in Manhattan from the end of college until I moved to Massachusetts 14 years ago. Qualifications: Born and raised in NYC. Was a full-time, original occupant in Battery Park City (across the street from WTC) for about three years, kept part-time digs there until the early 90's. I was married on the roof of 1 WTC, and my new bride managed to barf all over it when the building swayed in the wind unexpectedly (for her - I was quite used to it). Background discussion: I remember the early still-birth of WTC, and I remember it's completion (a non-thing if ever there was one). I vividly remember the pain that WTC brought to NYC with it's collossal footprint and complete disregard for everything that was not WTC. I remember the WTC community [Battery Park City] being born: White Flight and Nothing Else. WTC was, in spite of it's disregard for everything non-WTC, still a very New York kind of place. It's core was the Art of Stark Efficiency. From the design of the towers themselves to the layout of the cities beneath them, the place just screamed efficiency. No corner was unnecessarily adorned when the beauty of efficient use could make a statement on it's own behalf. Efficiency was *everywhere*: Path trains terminating New Jersey commuter runs in the basement; local (to WTC) police departments; food concourse layout which maximized retail space while minimizing walking to it; elevators which were sorted and laid out for best use of resources; interconnections of *everything* in a maze of tunneling that not even a drunk could get truly lost in... Obviously, a city so hell-bent on maximum-use and unadorned sterile efficiency would be offended by many of the proposed rebuilds. I know I am. Individual Projects: Project:Foster And Partners - The Weird Crystalline Cathedral Thing Assessment: Complete Loser From the very first moment in their slide show, you just *know* these guys are not from New York. Remember, on 9/11/2001, the very day of the actual collapse, every single New Yorker I know was already cracking jokes about the now defunct towers. This is not a city filled with a lot of tear jerking philosophical moments where the band strikes up a warm melody for you to cry over. This is the Efficiency Capitol Of The Universe, where dead towers need to be cleared out, NOW GODDAMNIT, because they are BLOCKING TRAFFIC. They start out with this big, well, *huge* dreary memorial that nobody in the city of New York is going to give a rats ass about (of course, the politicians will just love it all to hell and back). I'll even go as far as to predict that within five years of it's opening that memorial would specialize in muggings and rapes after 6:00pm. As we move on into our preview, we find this really strange growing-thing overlooking what seems to me to be a cheap imitation of the Vietnam Wall. The building itself is just *awful*: a kind of cross between a strand of DNA trying to grow into something useful, and an echo of the now DEAD towers trying to reassert their existence. Neither works. The original towers are dead - let it go. The Crystalline Catherdral begs us to make penance to it - to somehow go and seek it out for some kind of worship to the past. Again, neither of these work. New Yorkers are not likely to give a rats ass. In summation, the building itself has an intolerable ego, and the memorial is disgusting in it's pompous disregard for the facts of life in the city it is supposed to be *living* in. Project:SOM, SANAA, et al. - The Vertical City groans Assessment: Please take this project to Los Angelos, where it belongs. First, allow me to give credit where credit is really due here. This team has actually managed to capture what the WTC ended up becoming, although not what it was originally envisioned as being. That said, this project is, unfortunately, still a complete loss - may it rest in peace, FOREVER. Starting in slide 3 we get what this team is all about, with the quotation The city, as one finds it in history, is the point of maximum concentration for the power and culture of a community. And they'll be Goddamned if They are going to have to SHARE it with anyone outside of the [new] WTC. Yeah. Riiighhht... I hate to be the one to break the news to these guys, but one of the very few things that makes New York actually WORK, is the free and open dissemination of The Arts (whatever the hell that is). It's our ability to go wherever the hell
Re: CDR: RE: The Geodesic Economy: World Peace Through Free Trade
On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: R. A. Hettinga[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I wonder what people, especially from New York City, think about the new proposals for Lower Manhattan and World Trade Center site that came out this week. http://www.lowermanhattan.info/rebuild/new_design_plans/ My qualifications: I lived in NYC when I was a little kid, and in Manhattan from the end of college until I moved to Massachusetts 14 years ago. Qualifications: Born and raised in NYC. Was a full-time, original occupant in Battery Park City (across the street from WTC) for about three years, kept part-time digs there until the early 90's. I was married on the roof of 1 WTC, and my new bride managed to barf all over it when the building swayed in the wind unexpectedly (for her - I was quite used to it). Background discussion: I remember the early still-birth of WTC, and I remember it's completion (a non-thing if ever there was one). I vividly remember the pain that WTC brought to NYC with it's collossal footprint and complete disregard for everything that was not WTC. I remember the WTC community [Battery Park City] being born: White Flight and Nothing Else. WTC was, in spite of it's disregard for everything non-WTC, still a very New York kind of place. It's core was the Art of Stark Efficiency. From the design of the towers themselves to the layout of the cities beneath them, the place just screamed efficiency. No corner was unnecessarily adorned when the beauty of efficient use could make a statement on it's own behalf. Efficiency was *everywhere*: Path trains terminating New Jersey commuter runs in the basement; local (to WTC) police departments; food concourse layout which maximized retail space while minimizing walking to it; elevators which were sorted and laid out for best use of resources; interconnections of *everything* in a maze of tunneling that not even a drunk could get truly lost in... Obviously, a city so hell-bent on maximum-use and unadorned sterile efficiency would be offended by many of the proposed rebuilds. I know I am. Individual Projects: Project:Foster And Partners - The Weird Crystalline Cathedral Thing Assessment: Complete Loser From the very first moment in their slide show, you just *know* these guys are not from New York. Remember, on 9/11/2001, the very day of the actual collapse, every single New Yorker I know was already cracking jokes about the now defunct towers. This is not a city filled with a lot of tear jerking philosophical moments where the band strikes up a warm melody for you to cry over. This is the Efficiency Capitol Of The Universe, where dead towers need to be cleared out, NOW GODDAMNIT, because they are BLOCKING TRAFFIC. They start out with this big, well, *huge* dreary memorial that nobody in the city of New York is going to give a rats ass about (of course, the politicians will just love it all to hell and back). I'll even go as far as to predict that within five years of it's opening that memorial would specialize in muggings and rapes after 6:00pm. As we move on into our preview, we find this really strange growing-thing overlooking what seems to me to be a cheap imitation of the Vietnam Wall. The building itself is just *awful*: a kind of cross between a strand of DNA trying to grow into something useful, and an echo of the now DEAD towers trying to reassert their existence. Neither works. The original towers are dead - let it go. The Crystalline Catherdral begs us to make penance to it - to somehow go and seek it out for some kind of worship to the past. Again, neither of these work. New Yorkers are not likely to give a rats ass. In summation, the building itself has an intolerable ego, and the memorial is disgusting in it's pompous disregard for the facts of life in the city it is supposed to be *living* in. Project:SOM, SANAA, et al. - The Vertical City groans Assessment: Please take this project to Los Angelos, where it belongs. First, allow me to give credit where credit is really due here. This team has actually managed to capture what the WTC ended up becoming, although not what it was originally envisioned as being. That said, this project is, unfortunately, still a complete loss - may it rest in peace, FOREVER. Starting in slide 3 we get what this team is all about, with the quotation The city, as one finds it in history, is the point of maximum concentration for the power and culture of a community. And they'll be Goddamned if They are going to have to SHARE it with anyone outside of the [new] WTC. Yeah. Riiighhht... I hate to be the one to break the news to these guys, but one of the very few things that makes New York actually WORK, is the free and open dissemination of The Arts (whatever the hell that is). It's our ability to go wherever the hell
Re: [AntiSocial] Re: The Geodesic Economy: World Peace Through Free Trade
On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Bill Stewart wrote: At 07:05 PM 12/29/2002 -0600, Alif The Terrible wrote an archetypical New Yorker's summary of the plans: 1* - Sucks 2 - Sucks 3 - Sucks - shoot the architect now! 4 - Sucks totally 5 - Sucks even worse 6 - Not so hot, but maybe 7 - Also not so hot but maybe Whole thing is a scam anyway Obviously 9/11 hasn't fundamentally changed the city's character. Would you love us any other way? * Disclaimer: I may have the different plans slightly out of order It's OK: the order in which they sucked wasn't really relevent anyway :-) -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Santa Cruz deputizes medical marijuana distributers
Anonymously forwarded. http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/14/thread14945.shtml Cannabis News DrugSense Medicinal Pot Farmers Deputized in Santa Cruz Posted by CN Staff on December 11, 2002 at 09:15:41 PT By Ken McLaughlin, Mercury News Source: San Jose Mercury News medical Valerie and Michael Corral, the founders of a medicinal marijuana farm that was busted in early September, are now Deputy Valerie Corral and Deputy Michael Corral by order of the Santa Cruz City Council. Taking another pot shot at the federal Drug Enforcement Administration, the council voted 7- 0 Tuesday to give the Corrals the ``authority to cultivate, distribute and possess medical marijuana.'' The Corrals' attorney, Ben Rice, maintains that the ``deputy'' status allows the Corrals to carry a controlled substance because they are enforcing local drug laws -- in this case, the city of Santa Cruz's ordinance regulating the way medicinal marijuana can be distributed. But the DEA indicated it wasn't amused by the Corrals' new ``deputy'' status. ``No one in the United States is allowed to distribute illegal drugs -- period,'' Richard Meyer, a DEA spokesman, said after the council's vote. Valerie Corral said Santa Cruz is the third city in California to deputize medicinal marijuana providers. One person has been deputized in Oakland and two in San Francisco, she said. Though the council action is largely symbolic, the Corrals carry the official title of Santa Cruz city deputy. Tuesday's action follows a highly publicized pot giveaway on the steps of City Hall on Sept. 17, 12 days after the raid on the farm in the hills near Davenport. The farm was operated by the Wo/Men's Alliance for Medical Marijuana, better known as WAMM. The rally and giveaway, attended by six council members and about 1,000 other people, tried to send a message to the federal government that it needs to acknowledge that states should be able to decide for themselves whether marijuana can be used as medicine. No arrests were made, although a mysterious helicopter hovered overhead as politicians, prominent attorneys, physicians and numerous AIDS and cancer patients pledged to prod Washington lawmakers to preserve medicinal marijuana laws. The council acted Tuesday at the request of the Corrals, who are still waiting to see if federal prosecutors will charge them with anything. Their attorneys have advised them that the new ``deputy'' status will help them in their legal battle because it indicates overwhelming community support. ``Democracy is very important to me,'' said Michael Corral, referring to the 1996 passage of Proposition 215, a measure that state residents thought would result in the legal distribution of medicinal marijuana. The federal government, however, has taken the position that states can't allow the possession and distribution of a controlled substance. Meyer said the controversy has not affected the cooperation with the Santa Cruz Police Department, which has been put in an awkward position of having to work with the DEA and ignore its medicinal pot edict at the same time. ``We have great respect for Santa Cruz police officers,'' Meyer said. ``And we are committed to protecting Santa Cruz citizens.'' The Corrals' fight has gained some heavyweight legal help, including Santa Clara University law Professor Gerald Uelmen, a noted constitutional law expert. Only a ``twisted and perverted bureaucrat'' could approve sending in agents with automatic weapons to wipe out WAMM's tiny farm, Uelmen has said. He has joined Rice in a legal effort to force a legal showdown aimed at preserving states' rights on the marijuana front. Since the bust, Valerie Corral said, WAMM has been able to continue to provide marijuana at an undisclosed Santa Cruz location to about 235 members, 83 percent of whom are considered terminal. Three have died since the raid, and one is in critical condition, she said. The marijuana comes from donations. ``We live in an extremely generous community,'' she said. Mike Rotkin, who just returned to the council after a two-year hiatus, said he was upset by national press coverage that portrayed Santa Cruz as the town that wants to ``get everyone stoned.'' WAMM, he said, has been an exemplary organization that has shown it is ``serious about treating terminally ill people.'' Source: San Jose Mercury News (CA) Author: Ken McLaughlin, Mercury News Published: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 Copyright: 2002 San Jose Mercury News Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.sjmercury.com/ Related Articles Web Sites: WAMM http://www.wamm.org/
Please help: MFN is no longer listed as a Hate Group! (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:50:17 -0600 (CST) From: Alif The Terrible [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please help: MFN is no longer listed as a Hate Group! It is with sadness and deep concern that I must report the falling from grace of Missouri FreeNet from the Southern Poverty Law Center's list of Hate Groups (http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/state.jsp?state_id=26). In an attempt to recify this matter, and to restore MFN to it's rightful place among the Hate Groups of America (tm), I have taken the liberty of initiating an email writing campaign asking for this listing to be restored. Please help! Fill out the form at http://www.tolerance.org/about/contact.jsp and demand that Missouri FreeNet be restored to the SPLC/Tolerance.org list of known hate groups. Our reputation depends on your help in this most critical of moments... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: Please help: MFN is no longer listed as a Hate Group! (fwd)
I suppose a little background would help :-) Check out: http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/secpubs/computer.pdf , page 40. When this report was brought to my attention in late Q4 2000, it prompted a bunch of web searches to see what companion listings might have been generated: SPLC was one such listing. Today I was telling someone the [bizarre] story of how MFN got listed, and when I went to the SPLC site for more giggles, we were gone :-( Considering the fraud that is SPLC, I was genuinely disappointed at being removed from their list of hate groups, and I genuninely want to be reinstated. I am seriously pursuing the reinstatement email campaign. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure. On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Declan McCullagh wrote: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:25:40 -0500 From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alif The Terrible [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Please help: MFN is no longer listed as a Hate Group! (fwd) Huh? I don't get it. I can believe that the SPLC is silly/reactionary enough to list something that innocuous, but any such listing does not appear in archive.org's history or google's cache. -Declan On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 02:52:33PM -0600, Alif The Terrible wrote: -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:50:17 -0600 (CST) From: Alif The Terrible [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please help: MFN is no longer listed as a Hate Group! It is with sadness and deep concern that I must report the falling from grace of Missouri FreeNet from the Southern Poverty Law Center's list of Hate Groups (http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/state.jsp?state_id=26). In an attempt to recify this matter, and to restore MFN to it's rightful place among the Hate Groups of America (tm), I have taken the liberty of initiating an email writing campaign asking for this listing to be restored. Please help! Fill out the form at http://www.tolerance.org/about/contact.jsp and demand that Missouri FreeNet be restored to the SPLC/Tolerance.org list of known hate groups. Our reputation depends on your help in this most critical of moments... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Please help: MFN is no longer listed as a Hate Group! (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:50:17 -0600 (CST) From: Alif The Terrible [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please help: MFN is no longer listed as a Hate Group! It is with sadness and deep concern that I must report the falling from grace of Missouri FreeNet from the Southern Poverty Law Center's list of Hate Groups (http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/state.jsp?state_id=26). In an attempt to recify this matter, and to restore MFN to it's rightful place among the Hate Groups of America (tm), I have taken the liberty of initiating an email writing campaign asking for this listing to be restored. Please help! Fill out the form at http://www.tolerance.org/about/contact.jsp and demand that Missouri FreeNet be restored to the SPLC/Tolerance.org list of known hate groups. Our reputation depends on your help in this most critical of moments... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: Please help: MFN is no longer listed as a Hate Group! (fwd)
I suppose a little background would help :-) Check out: http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/secpubs/computer.pdf , page 40. When this report was brought to my attention in late Q4 2000, it prompted a bunch of web searches to see what companion listings might have been generated: SPLC was one such listing. Today I was telling someone the [bizarre] story of how MFN got listed, and when I went to the SPLC site for more giggles, we were gone :-( Considering the fraud that is SPLC, I was genuinely disappointed at being removed from their list of hate groups, and I genuninely want to be reinstated. I am seriously pursuing the reinstatement email campaign. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure. On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Declan McCullagh wrote: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:25:40 -0500 From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alif The Terrible [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Please help: MFN is no longer listed as a Hate Group! (fwd) Huh? I don't get it. I can believe that the SPLC is silly/reactionary enough to list something that innocuous, but any such listing does not appear in archive.org's history or google's cache. -Declan On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 02:52:33PM -0600, Alif The Terrible wrote: -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:50:17 -0600 (CST) From: Alif The Terrible [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please help: MFN is no longer listed as a Hate Group! It is with sadness and deep concern that I must report the falling from grace of Missouri FreeNet from the Southern Poverty Law Center's list of Hate Groups (http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/state.jsp?state_id=26). In an attempt to recify this matter, and to restore MFN to it's rightful place among the Hate Groups of America (tm), I have taken the liberty of initiating an email writing campaign asking for this listing to be restored. Please help! Fill out the form at http://www.tolerance.org/about/contact.jsp and demand that Missouri FreeNet be restored to the SPLC/Tolerance.org list of known hate groups. Our reputation depends on your help in this most critical of moments... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: If this be terrorism make the most of it!
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Steve Schear wrote: At 05:05 PM 12/7/2002 -0500, Dave Emery wrote: On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 10:56:14AM -0800, Morlock Elloi wrote: We are closer to the police state that everyone fears than we know So what's needed is a WinModem bridge which allows anyone with a broadband connection to host VoIP calls to local numbers. Remote users could connect from a cybercafe for improved anonymity. If one were to have a bearer cash system people could resell their phone lines. Of course, you have to trust the providers not to eavesdrop ;-) Why? PGP-Phone-like systems abound ;-) steve -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: 17 Cypherpunks subscribers on watch list, ProjectLookout
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, peter zulu wrote: here's the list as of 10-11-01: http://www.vrwa.org/fbiwatchlist.htm w.a.s.t.e ;) I note that they are still looking to interview Mohammed Atta: that's pretty funny. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: 17 Cypherpunks subscribers on watch list, ProjectLookout
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, peter zulu wrote: here's the list as of 10-11-01: http://www.vrwa.org/fbiwatchlist.htm w.a.s.t.e ;) I note that they are still looking to interview Mohammed Atta: that's pretty funny. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get theoil. Who's ne
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Mike Diehl wrote: Dubbya has only been in office about a year and a half, and in that time, he has destroyed Freedom in this country? Not entirely, just *mostly*. I don't think so. I'm still able to practice my religion freely. Sure. Provided your religion does not offend the mainstream sensibilities. I can criticize my government and stay out of prison. As long as your criticism is not highly visible. I don't have soldiers living with/watching me. When was the last time you were out in public? How about an airport? Saddam is just as bad as most dictators, but let's not confuse the issue; he's still a DICTATOR! So? Dubbya and Asscruft have millions of people in prison for doing nothing wrong, only violating their bullshit rules in the War On Some Drugs. Hey, the law is posted. You may not agree with it, but it is the law. Saddam is the LAWFUL DICTATOR. You may not agree with it, but it IS THE LAW. I wouldn't have agreed with Prohibition, but I would have followed the law while at the same time trying to abolish it. Guess what, I have that freedom, still. As long as you do not attract any serious attention, yes. Once you attract serious attention, all bets are off. You'll either be found holding your breath forever, or you'll be carted off to the nearest Re-education Camp (maybe to share a cell with Bell). Personall, I don't care what you do in the privacy of your own home, but I won't want to drive on the same street, go to work with, or have my child watched, by anyone who is high on some drug. If that means smoking dope keeps someone from being imployed, that's not my problem. Why should my employment in a programming capacity be contingent on what you find desirable in a baby-sitter? They have killed thousands of innocent Afghans, and are intent on murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis just to steal their oil. This makes Dubbya a mass-murder far beyond the scale of Saddam. Well, mass-murder is a bit strong. No. It's exactly correct. How about what we have done in Iraq? Both life expectancy and quality of life have nosedived as a direct result of OUR actions, not Saddam's. Remember, before we got into the act, Saddam was providing the worlds finest medical services, world-class education, housing, etc... We are the ones who not only destroyed it, but have spent the last 12 years insuring that the people we are supposedly concerned for are systematically starved to death, prevented from receiving medical care, potable water, etc... I believe we are motivated by oil; not arguement there. Perhapse Dubbya is looking out for the US's, and his own? best interests. I'll bet you drive a car and like a warm home, and like that electricity stuff. Well, it all NEEDS OIL! The average American Sheep would riot in the street if they couldn't drive their SUV to church on sunday. Not that Klinton was any better. Not EVEN going to go there grin I guess we all agree on this one. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get theoil. Who's ne
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Mike Diehl wrote: Dubbya has only been in office about a year and a half, and in that time, he has destroyed Freedom in this country? Not entirely, just *mostly*. I don't think so. I'm still able to practice my religion freely. Sure. Provided your religion does not offend the mainstream sensibilities. I can criticize my government and stay out of prison. As long as your criticism is not highly visible. I don't have soldiers living with/watching me. When was the last time you were out in public? How about an airport? Saddam is just as bad as most dictators, but let's not confuse the issue; he's still a DICTATOR! So? Dubbya and Asscruft have millions of people in prison for doing nothing wrong, only violating their bullshit rules in the War On Some Drugs. Hey, the law is posted. You may not agree with it, but it is the law. Saddam is the LAWFUL DICTATOR. You may not agree with it, but it IS THE LAW. I wouldn't have agreed with Prohibition, but I would have followed the law while at the same time trying to abolish it. Guess what, I have that freedom, still. As long as you do not attract any serious attention, yes. Once you attract serious attention, all bets are off. You'll either be found holding your breath forever, or you'll be carted off to the nearest Re-education Camp (maybe to share a cell with Bell). Personall, I don't care what you do in the privacy of your own home, but I won't want to drive on the same street, go to work with, or have my child watched, by anyone who is high on some drug. If that means smoking dope keeps someone from being imployed, that's not my problem. Why should my employment in a programming capacity be contingent on what you find desirable in a baby-sitter? They have killed thousands of innocent Afghans, and are intent on murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis just to steal their oil. This makes Dubbya a mass-murder far beyond the scale of Saddam. Well, mass-murder is a bit strong. No. It's exactly correct. How about what we have done in Iraq? Both life expectancy and quality of life have nosedived as a direct result of OUR actions, not Saddam's. Remember, before we got into the act, Saddam was providing the worlds finest medical services, world-class education, housing, etc... We are the ones who not only destroyed it, but have spent the last 12 years insuring that the people we are supposedly concerned for are systematically starved to death, prevented from receiving medical care, potable water, etc... I believe we are motivated by oil; not arguement there. Perhapse Dubbya is looking out for the US's, and his own? best interests. I'll bet you drive a car and like a warm home, and like that electricity stuff. Well, it all NEEDS OIL! The average American Sheep would riot in the street if they couldn't drive their SUV to church on sunday. Not that Klinton was any better. Not EVEN going to go there grin I guess we all agree on this one. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Lawsuit-I'm famous!!! (fwd)
Interesting background to the below lawsuit: the plaintiff in question is about as straight as you can possibly be while still breathing :-) No drugs *at all*. He's not even into the legal drugs! Nevertheless, he's a long time GoodGuy, and this is just another example. Thanks CR! -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:45:51 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: Lawsuit-I'm famous!!! Text of Article 78 lawsuit filed against Division regarding drug testing policy By: Board of Directors, Date: 2002-10-29 STATE OF NEW YORK SUPREME COURT COUNTY OF ALBANY __ DANIEL M. DeFEDERICIS; DON POSTLES; GORDON D. WARNOCK; THOMAS P. POMEROY; JOHN P. MORETTI, JR.; JAMES C. MONTY; GARY N. OELKERS; ROBERT A. KOTIN; JEFFREY J. KAYSER; JAMES NEEDHAM, JR.; KEITH L. FORTE; ERIC J. CHABOTY; ROBERT P. HOVEY; and THE POLICE BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION OF THE NEW YORK STATE TROOPERS, INC., on behalf of its Members, Petitioners-Plaintiffs, For a Judgment Pursuant to Article 78 of the Civil Practice Law and Rules PETITION/COMPLAINT - against – NEW YORK STATE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE; JAMES W. McMAHON, as Superintendent of the New York State Division of State Police, Respondents-Defendants. __ Petitioners/plaintiffs, by their attorneys, Gleason, Dunn, Walsh O'Shea, and for their Verified Petition/Complaint, respectfully allege upon information and belief: INTRODUCTION 1. This is a combined Article 78 proceeding and declaratory judgment action challenging the legality of certain policies and procedures (denominated regulations) recently adopted and implemented by the respondents prohibiting sworn Members of the Division of State Police (Division) from the otherwise legal use of lawful, commercially available products and substances, including foods, cosmetics and health care products that contain the derivatives or active ingredients of any illegal drug. Such legal and widely available commercial products include rolls, bagels and bakery products containing poppy seeds and over-the-counter pain medications and cold medicines as well as other products. 2. This proceeding/action also challenges that aspect of the Division's regulations which provide that the ingestion or use of these otherwise legal, consumer products is no defense to a positive drug test. That aspect of the regulation unilaterally deprives Members of the Division of a legitimate and valid defense to disciplinary charges alleging the use of illegal drugs. As such, the regulation improperly affects and limits their ability to protect their property rights in their jobs. 3. Petitioners/plaintiffs assert that this regulation is inconsistent with and violative of New York Labor Law §201-d and the New York State and United States Constitutions. PARTIES 4. Petitioner/plaintiff The Police Benevolent Association of the New York State Troopers, Inc. (PBA), is the certified and recognized employee organization which represents the bargaining unit consisting of all Troopers of the Division of State Police and the bargaining unit consisting of all commissioned and non-commissioned officers of the Division of State Police. 5. Petitioner/plaintiff, Daniel M. DeFedericis, is the President of the PBA. President DeFedericis is currently on leave from his employment with the Division, but upon returning from his leave will be subject to the challenged regulation. 6. Petitioner/plaintiff, Don Postles, is the Vice President of the PBA. Vice President Postles is currently on leave from his employment with the Division, but upon returning from his leave will be subject to the challenged regulation. 7. Petitioner/plaintiff, Gordon D. Warnock, is the Secretary of the PBA. Secretary Warnock is currently on leave from his employment with the Division, but upon returning from his leave will be subject to the challenged
Lawsuit-I'm famous!!! (fwd)
Interesting background to the below lawsuit: the plaintiff in question is about as straight as you can possibly be while still breathing :-) No drugs *at all*. He's not even into the legal drugs! Nevertheless, he's a long time GoodGuy, and this is just another example. Thanks CR! -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:45:51 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: Lawsuit-I'm famous!!! Text of Article 78 lawsuit filed against Division regarding drug testing policy By: Board of Directors, Date: 2002-10-29 STATE OF NEW YORK SUPREME COURT COUNTY OF ALBANY __ DANIEL M. DeFEDERICIS; DON POSTLES; GORDON D. WARNOCK; THOMAS P. POMEROY; JOHN P. MORETTI, JR.; JAMES C. MONTY; GARY N. OELKERS; ROBERT A. KOTIN; JEFFREY J. KAYSER; JAMES NEEDHAM, JR.; KEITH L. FORTE; ERIC J. CHABOTY; ROBERT P. HOVEY; and THE POLICE BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION OF THE NEW YORK STATE TROOPERS, INC., on behalf of its Members, Petitioners-Plaintiffs, For a Judgment Pursuant to Article 78 of the Civil Practice Law and Rules PETITION/COMPLAINT - against – NEW YORK STATE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE; JAMES W. McMAHON, as Superintendent of the New York State Division of State Police, Respondents-Defendants. __ Petitioners/plaintiffs, by their attorneys, Gleason, Dunn, Walsh O'Shea, and for their Verified Petition/Complaint, respectfully allege upon information and belief: INTRODUCTION 1. This is a combined Article 78 proceeding and declaratory judgment action challenging the legality of certain policies and procedures (denominated regulations) recently adopted and implemented by the respondents prohibiting sworn Members of the Division of State Police (Division) from the otherwise legal use of lawful, commercially available products and substances, including foods, cosmetics and health care products that contain the derivatives or active ingredients of any illegal drug. Such legal and widely available commercial products include rolls, bagels and bakery products containing poppy seeds and over-the-counter pain medications and cold medicines as well as other products. 2. This proceeding/action also challenges that aspect of the Division's regulations which provide that the ingestion or use of these otherwise legal, consumer products is no defense to a positive drug test. That aspect of the regulation unilaterally deprives Members of the Division of a legitimate and valid defense to disciplinary charges alleging the use of illegal drugs. As such, the regulation improperly affects and limits their ability to protect their property rights in their jobs. 3. Petitioners/plaintiffs assert that this regulation is inconsistent with and violative of New York Labor Law §201-d and the New York State and United States Constitutions. PARTIES 4. Petitioner/plaintiff The Police Benevolent Association of the New York State Troopers, Inc. (PBA), is the certified and recognized employee organization which represents the bargaining unit consisting of all Troopers of the Division of State Police and the bargaining unit consisting of all commissioned and non-commissioned officers of the Division of State Police. 5. Petitioner/plaintiff, Daniel M. DeFedericis, is the President of the PBA. President DeFedericis is currently on leave from his employment with the Division, but upon returning from his leave will be subject to the challenged regulation. 6. Petitioner/plaintiff, Don Postles, is the Vice President of the PBA. Vice President Postles is currently on leave from his employment with the Division, but upon returning from his leave will be subject to the challenged regulation. 7. Petitioner/plaintiff, Gordon D. Warnock, is the Secretary of the PBA. Secretary Warnock is currently on leave from his employment with the Division, but upon returning from his leave will be subject to the challenged
Re: CDR: Raise the Fist Webmaster pleads guilty
On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Duncan Frissell wrote: RTF Webmaster Pleads Guilty snip Another one of those unfortunate chicken defendants we seem to get. He would have got a max of 4-5 at trial. And a max of 4-5 is an acceptable way to spend a few years in hell? Over the years I've developed rather a lot of respect for you Duncan, but this is a bunch of hyper-macho bullshit. Five years in a US prison is no small deal - it's a ride through the bowels of Malebolge. So now he has a felony conviction anyway plus endless parole supervision which gives the Feds way too much control over you. And he gives up a chance to challenge the Publish Bomb Plans go to jail law. Well, since he was such a chickenshit, and you're such a stud, why don't YOU post the information and fight it? Come on big-boy - prove to us how manly you are. AFter all, you'll likely only get 4-5 max at trial... If you go to trial and lose and do your time you are then free of supervision. Plus you never admitted any crime. A plea is an admission. And the end result is the same: you have a felony conviction. At least his version allows him to sit down painlessley while he waits out the sentence. When you are in custody, your cooperation is the only thing you can deny your captors. Exactly. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
!!! Nov-L: Calif. City Plans Marijuana Giveaway (fwd)
Hrmmm. Are Governor Bush's daughters going to move? -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:35:30 -0700 From: Nora Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Nov-L: Calif. City Plans Marijuana Giveaway City Plans Protest With Pot Giveaway By MARTHA MENDOZA .c The Associated Press Calif. City Plans Marijuana Giveaway SANTA CRUZ, Calif. (AP) - City leaders plan to join medical marijuana users at a pot giveaway at City Hall next week, hoping to send a message to federal authorities that, in this town, medical marijuana is welcome. The invitation comes one week after agents from the Drug Enforcement Agency arrested the high-profile owners of a pot farm and confiscated 130 plants that had been grown to be used as medicine. ``It's just absolutely loathsome to me that federal money, energy and staff time would be used to harass people like this,'' said vice mayor Emily Reilly, who with several City Council colleagues plans to pass out medical marijuana to sick people from the garden-like courtyard at City Hall on Tuesday. Though the council passed a resolution denouncing the raid, there is no official city sponsorship of the event - council members and medical marijuana advocates are simply acting on their own in a public space, said City Attorney John Barisone. DEA spokesman Richard Meyer was surprised at the plan. ``Are you serious? That's illegal. It's like they're flouting federal law,'' he said. ``I'm shocked that city leaders would promote the use of marijuana that way. What is that saying to our youth?'' State law in California, as well as Alaska, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Nevada, Oregon and Washington, allows marijuana to be grown and distributed to people with a doctor's prescription. Federal law prohibits marijuana use under any circumstances. In recent months, federal agents - working without local support - have been busting pot clubs and farms in Northern California, including a small pot farm last week about 55 miles south of San Francisco, arresting owners Valerie and Michael Corral. No indictment was filed against the couple, leading activists for medical marijuana; their attorney said federal authorities do not plan to prosecute. A spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office said she could not comment. California medical marijuana growers and distributors work closely with local law enforcement, and are quite open about their programs. In fact, the farm raided by DEA agents had been featured in national media, and the program is listed in the local telephone book. ``The courage of the Santa Cruz City Council and the growing anger in Congress are signs of a genuine grassroots rebellion all across this country that will put an end to these attacks on the sick and vulnerable,'' said Robert Kampia, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Marijuana Policy Project. In 1992, 77 percent of Santa Cruz voters approved a measure ending the prohibition of medical marijuana. Four years later, state voters approved Proposition 215, allowing marijuana for medicinal purposes. And in 2000, the city council approved an ordinance allowing medical marijuana to be grown and used without a prescription. 09/11/02 22:21 EDT Copyright 2002 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. -- Nora Callahan The November Coalition, founded in 1997 is a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization, your gifts are tax deductible. You can send your donation to: The November Coalition 795 South Cedar Colville, WA 99114 Visit our website at: http://www.november.org November-L is a voluntary mailing list of the November Coalition. To unsubscribe, visit http://www.november.org/lists/ or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the command unsubscribe
!!! Nov-L: Calif. City Plans Marijuana Giveaway (fwd)
Hrmmm. Are Governor Bush's daughters going to move? -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:35:30 -0700 From: Nora Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Nov-L: Calif. City Plans Marijuana Giveaway City Plans Protest With Pot Giveaway By MARTHA MENDOZA .c The Associated Press Calif. City Plans Marijuana Giveaway SANTA CRUZ, Calif. (AP) - City leaders plan to join medical marijuana users at a pot giveaway at City Hall next week, hoping to send a message to federal authorities that, in this town, medical marijuana is welcome. The invitation comes one week after agents from the Drug Enforcement Agency arrested the high-profile owners of a pot farm and confiscated 130 plants that had been grown to be used as medicine. ``It's just absolutely loathsome to me that federal money, energy and staff time would be used to harass people like this,'' said vice mayor Emily Reilly, who with several City Council colleagues plans to pass out medical marijuana to sick people from the garden-like courtyard at City Hall on Tuesday. Though the council passed a resolution denouncing the raid, there is no official city sponsorship of the event - council members and medical marijuana advocates are simply acting on their own in a public space, said City Attorney John Barisone. DEA spokesman Richard Meyer was surprised at the plan. ``Are you serious? That's illegal. It's like they're flouting federal law,'' he said. ``I'm shocked that city leaders would promote the use of marijuana that way. What is that saying to our youth?'' State law in California, as well as Alaska, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Nevada, Oregon and Washington, allows marijuana to be grown and distributed to people with a doctor's prescription. Federal law prohibits marijuana use under any circumstances. In recent months, federal agents - working without local support - have been busting pot clubs and farms in Northern California, including a small pot farm last week about 55 miles south of San Francisco, arresting owners Valerie and Michael Corral. No indictment was filed against the couple, leading activists for medical marijuana; their attorney said federal authorities do not plan to prosecute. A spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office said she could not comment. California medical marijuana growers and distributors work closely with local law enforcement, and are quite open about their programs. In fact, the farm raided by DEA agents had been featured in national media, and the program is listed in the local telephone book. ``The courage of the Santa Cruz City Council and the growing anger in Congress are signs of a genuine grassroots rebellion all across this country that will put an end to these attacks on the sick and vulnerable,'' said Robert Kampia, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Marijuana Policy Project. In 1992, 77 percent of Santa Cruz voters approved a measure ending the prohibition of medical marijuana. Four years later, state voters approved Proposition 215, allowing marijuana for medicinal purposes. And in 2000, the city council approved an ordinance allowing medical marijuana to be grown and used without a prescription. 09/11/02 22:21 EDT Copyright 2002 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. -- Nora Callahan The November Coalition, founded in 1997 is a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization, your gifts are tax deductible. You can send your donation to: The November Coalition 795 South Cedar Colville, WA 99114 Visit our website at: http://www.november.org November-L is a voluntary mailing list of the November Coalition. To unsubscribe, visit http://www.november.org/lists/ or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the command unsubscribe
Re: CDR: RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, AARG! Anonymous wrote: I have sent over 400 anonymous messages in the past year to cypherpunks, coderpunks, sci.crypt and the cryptography list (35 of them on TCPA related topics). I see you are no too worries about traffic analysis? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, AARG! Anonymous wrote: I have sent over 400 anonymous messages in the past year to cypherpunks, coderpunks, sci.crypt and the cryptography list (35 of them on TCPA related topics). I see you are no too worries about traffic analysis? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: What's up with openpgp.net?
Looks like your DNS is b0rked: (measl)greeves:/home/measl $ nslookup 207.200.56.4 Server: ns1.mfn.org Address: 204.238.179.2 *** ns1.mfn.org can't find 207.200.56.4: Non-existent host/domain (measl)greeves:/home/measl $ whois 207.200.56.4 Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Server Name: EINSTEIN.SSZ.COM IP Address: 207.200.56.4 Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com Last update of whois database: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 04:50:05 EDT The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and Registrars. On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Jim Choate wrote: Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:58:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CDR: What's up with openpgp.net? -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:51:17 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jul 2 18:50:39 2002 Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA31038 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:50:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with internal id SAA30729; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:48:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:48:07 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary=SAA30729.1025653687/einstein.ssz.com Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --SAA30729.1025653687/einstein.ssz.com The original message was received at Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:47:41 -0500 from cpunks@localhost - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to domains.invweb.net.: MAIL From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=24725 451 4.7.1 Please try again later ... while talking to router.invlogic.com.: RCPT To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 550 5.7.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Relaying denied. IP name lookup failed [207.200.56.4] 550 [EMAIL PROTECTED] User unknown --SAA30729.1025653687/einstein.ssz.com Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; einstein.ssz.com Arrival-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:47:41 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; router.invlogic.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.7.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Relaying denied. IP name lookup failed [207.200.56.4] Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:48:06 -0500 --SAA30729.1025653687/einstein.ssz.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: cpunks Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA30686 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:47:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with internal id SAA30574; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:46:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:46:54 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary=SAA30574.1025653614/einstein.ssz.com Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --SAA30574.1025653614/einstein.ssz.com The original message was received at Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:46:19 -0500 from cpunks@localhost - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to domains.invweb.net.: MAIL From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=22839 451 4.7.1 Please try again later ... while talking to router.invlogic.com.: RCPT To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 550 5.7.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Relaying denied. IP name lookup failed [207.200.56.4] 550 [EMAIL PROTECTED] User unknown --SAA30574.1025653614/einstein.ssz.com Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; einstein.ssz.com Arrival-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:46:19 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; router.invlogic.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.7.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Relaying denied. IP name lookup failed [207.200.56.4] Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:46:53 -0500 --SAA30574.1025653614/einstein.ssz.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: cpunks Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA30520 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:46:19 -0500 Received: from localhost
