Re: On the orthogonality of anonymity to current market demand
James A. Donald writes: Further, genuinely secure systems are now becoming available, notably Symbian. What does it mean for Symbian to be genuinely secure? How was this determined and achieved? -- http://www.eff.org/about/staff/#chris_palmer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Multiple passports?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Gutmann wrote: Gregory Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for applying for one now, I think the deadline for the non-RFID passwords is about 3 days away (31 Oct 2005), but I could be wrong. (In other words, if your application is not in processing by 31 Oct, then you get the new, improved, RFID passport.) Ahh, but if you get one of the first passports issued then there are likely to still be some teething problems present, leading to sporadic failures of the first batch of RFID devices. I have a funny feeling that this is going to happen to my new passport when it arrives. Peter. I don't have a good feeling about this at all. My passport is actually invalid as a form of ID for anyone who checks closely(the BMV did!) because the gov't printed the wrong birthdate on mine! I went to Germany and back just after the embassy attacks in africa(things were on high alert briefly then) with no questions on it. Try to renew my lost drivers license with it and suddenly its a damn problem. As far as I can tell, they used the month of issue as the birth month as well. A small mistake...but obviously an important one. What ways do you suppose there will be for them to screw up these RFID tags? These days ones libel to get branded a terrorist with the wrong info... - -- Chris Clymer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: E546 19B6 D1EC 47A7 CAA0 8623 C807 398C CD27 15B8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDZnnuyAc5jM0nFbgRAvBaAKDFUH2QFmKJqIk7WYkw5esWUy/MsACgwWvH iHYKEguTdSdU0wRTIeI4lZg= =UyJk -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Chris Clymer n:Clymer;Chris org:Youngstown Linux User Group adr:;;252 Colonial Drive;Canfield;Ohio;44406;United States of America email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Founder tel;cell:330.507.3651 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.chrisclymer.com version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Multiple passports?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Gutmann wrote: Gregory Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for applying for one now, I think the deadline for the non-RFID passwords is about 3 days away (31 Oct 2005), but I could be wrong. (In other words, if your application is not in processing by 31 Oct, then you get the new, improved, RFID passport.) Ahh, but if you get one of the first passports issued then there are likely to still be some teething problems present, leading to sporadic failures of the first batch of RFID devices. I have a funny feeling that this is going to happen to my new passport when it arrives. Peter. I don't have a good feeling about this at all. My passport is actually invalid as a form of ID for anyone who checks closely(the BMV did!) because the gov't printed the wrong birthdate on mine! I went to Germany and back just after the embassy attacks in africa(things were on high alert briefly then) with no questions on it. Try to renew my lost drivers license with it and suddenly its a damn problem. As far as I can tell, they used the month of issue as the birth month as well. A small mistake...but obviously an important one. What ways do you suppose there will be for them to screw up these RFID tags? These days ones libel to get branded a terrorist with the wrong info... - -- Chris Clymer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: E546 19B6 D1EC 47A7 CAA0 8623 C807 398C CD27 15B8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDZnnuyAc5jM0nFbgRAvBaAKDFUH2QFmKJqIk7WYkw5esWUy/MsACgwWvH iHYKEguTdSdU0wRTIeI4lZg= =UyJk -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Chris Clymer n:Clymer;Chris org:Youngstown Linux User Group adr:;;252 Colonial Drive;Canfield;Ohio;44406;United States of America email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Founder tel;cell:330.507.3651 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.chrisclymer.com version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: On the orthogonality of anonymity to current market demand
James A. Donald writes: Further, genuinely secure systems are now becoming available, notably Symbian. What does it mean for Symbian to be genuinely secure? How was this determined and achieved? -- http://www.eff.org/about/staff/#chris_palmer signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Judy Miller needing killing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You're just trolling, right? Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Sending a reporter to jail for not revealing her source sure sounds like its infringing on freedom of the press to me. The issue isn't HER. The issue is that if I'm someone that wants to blow the whistle on something, I'm going to be less likely to do it if the reporter I tell might reveal me as her source. And of course, reporters might be less likely to cover such stories if they may end up choosing between protecting the source and jail. On July of 2005, Miller was jailed for contempt of court by refusing to testify before a federal grand jury investigating a leak naming Valerie Plame as a covert CIA agent. Miller did not write about Plame, but is reportedly in possession of evidence relevant to the leak investigation. According to a subpoena, Miller met with an unnamed government official ? later revealed to be Scooter Libby, Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff ? on July 8, 2003, two days after former ambassador Joseph Wilson published an Op-Ed in the Times criticizing the Bush administration for twisting intelligence to justify war in Iraq. (Plame's CIA identity was revealed by political commentator Robert Novak on July 14, 2003.) That woman went to jail for not revealing the source, on a story SHE NEVER EVEN WROTE. Thats dedication. Major Variola (ret.) wrote: So this dupe/spy/wannabe journalist thinks that journalists should be *special*.. how nice. Where in the 1st amendment is the class journalists mentioned? She needs a WMD enema. LAS VEGAS (AP) -- New York Times reporter Judith Miller defended her decision to go to jail to protect a source and told a journalism conference Tuesday that reporters need a federal shield law so that others won't face the same sanctions. http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=BreakingstoryId=1104064 - -- Chris Clymer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: E546 19B6 D1EC 47A7 CAA0 8623 C807 398C CD27 15B8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDVnALyAc5jM0nFbgRAhiIAKCCDAizX/32F3U8BEAEZo1jmbufjACeOATk UAp601vKKywgkklcAWd0iaI= =73ed -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Chris Clymer n:Clymer;Chris org:Youngstown Linux User Group adr:;;252 Colonial Drive;Canfield;Ohio;44406;United States of America email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Founder tel;cell:330.507.3651 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.chrisclymer.com version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Judy Miller needing killing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 My understanding is that she only went to jail because of a federal law passed in the early 80's designed to protect undercover federal agents. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I was under the impression that were it not for that law, there would be no need for a shield law...just stronger clarification of that law. Did this issue go before the supreme court...have they ruled that the law is constitutional? Freedom of the press should protect a reporter from prosecution fromt he reporting of ANYTHING. Reporting about a felon is fine(i don't think current laws dispute this). If in addition to that, the reporter is breaking ANOTHER law by shielding a felon, thats another issue altogether. We're talking freedom to report things, not freedom for a reporter to do anything they wish. Shawn Duffy wrote: Unfortunately, it's not as simple as protecting a source. Most shield laws, or proposed shield laws, as I understand them, protect a journalist from revealing a source who is exposing wrongdoing that is in the public interest. This is not the same thing. The act of leaking the identity of Ms. Plame is, itself, a crime, not the exposing of wrongdoing. Now, sending her to jail certainly betrays the spirit of shield laws, but freedom of the press does not necessarily protect a journalist who is shielding a felon. On 10/19/05, Chris Clymer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're just trolling, right? Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Sending a reporter to jail for not revealing her source sure sounds like its infringing on freedom of the press to me. The issue isn't HER. The issue is that if I'm someone that wants to blow the whistle on something, I'm going to be less likely to do it if the reporter I tell might reveal me as her source. And of course, reporters might be less likely to cover such stories if they may end up choosing between protecting the source and jail. On July of 2005, Miller was jailed for contempt of court by refusing to testify before a federal grand jury investigating a leak naming Valerie Plame as a covert CIA agent. Miller did not write about Plame, but is reportedly in possession of evidence relevant to the leak investigation. According to a subpoena, Miller met with an unnamed government official ? later revealed to be Scooter Libby, Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff ? on July 8, 2003, two days after former ambassador Joseph Wilson published an Op-Ed in the Times criticizing the Bush administration for twisting intelligence to justify war in Iraq. (Plame's CIA identity was revealed by political commentator Robert Novak on July 14, 2003.) That woman went to jail for not revealing the source, on a story SHE NEVER EVEN WROTE. Thats dedication. Major Variola (ret.) wrote: So this dupe/spy/wannabe journalist thinks that journalists should be *special*.. how nice. Where in the 1st amendment is the class journalists mentioned? She needs a WMD enema. LAS VEGAS (AP) -- New York Times reporter Judith Miller defended her decision to go to jail to protect a source and told a journalism conference Tuesday that reporters need a federal shield law so that others won't face the same sanctions. http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=BreakingstoryId=1104064 -- Chris Clymer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: E546 19B6 D1EC 47A7 CAA0 8623 C807 398C CD27 15B8 - -- Chris Clymer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: E546 19B6 D1EC 47A7 CAA0 8623 C807 398C CD27 15B8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDVo3MyAc5jM0nFbgRAtKQAJ427wj//CP8W7eyV4zzzlytFX1RZwCfd3Zi pmfTHmDlqSqLwMNAlZs++gY= =MAHe -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Chris Clymer n:Clymer;Chris org:Youngstown Linux User Group adr:;;252 Colonial Drive;Canfield;Ohio;44406;United States of America email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Founder tel;cell:330.507.3651 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.chrisclymer.com version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Judy Miller needing killing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 My understanding is that she only went to jail because of a federal law passed in the early 80's designed to protect undercover federal agents. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I was under the impression that were it not for that law, there would be no need for a shield law...just stronger clarification of that law. Did this issue go before the supreme court...have they ruled that the law is constitutional? Freedom of the press should protect a reporter from prosecution fromt he reporting of ANYTHING. Reporting about a felon is fine(i don't think current laws dispute this). If in addition to that, the reporter is breaking ANOTHER law by shielding a felon, thats another issue altogether. We're talking freedom to report things, not freedom for a reporter to do anything they wish. Shawn Duffy wrote: Unfortunately, it's not as simple as protecting a source. Most shield laws, or proposed shield laws, as I understand them, protect a journalist from revealing a source who is exposing wrongdoing that is in the public interest. This is not the same thing. The act of leaking the identity of Ms. Plame is, itself, a crime, not the exposing of wrongdoing. Now, sending her to jail certainly betrays the spirit of shield laws, but freedom of the press does not necessarily protect a journalist who is shielding a felon. On 10/19/05, Chris Clymer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're just trolling, right? Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Sending a reporter to jail for not revealing her source sure sounds like its infringing on freedom of the press to me. The issue isn't HER. The issue is that if I'm someone that wants to blow the whistle on something, I'm going to be less likely to do it if the reporter I tell might reveal me as her source. And of course, reporters might be less likely to cover such stories if they may end up choosing between protecting the source and jail. On July of 2005, Miller was jailed for contempt of court by refusing to testify before a federal grand jury investigating a leak naming Valerie Plame as a covert CIA agent. Miller did not write about Plame, but is reportedly in possession of evidence relevant to the leak investigation. According to a subpoena, Miller met with an unnamed government official ? later revealed to be Scooter Libby, Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff ? on July 8, 2003, two days after former ambassador Joseph Wilson published an Op-Ed in the Times criticizing the Bush administration for twisting intelligence to justify war in Iraq. (Plame's CIA identity was revealed by political commentator Robert Novak on July 14, 2003.) That woman went to jail for not revealing the source, on a story SHE NEVER EVEN WROTE. Thats dedication. Major Variola (ret.) wrote: So this dupe/spy/wannabe journalist thinks that journalists should be *special*.. how nice. Where in the 1st amendment is the class journalists mentioned? She needs a WMD enema. LAS VEGAS (AP) -- New York Times reporter Judith Miller defended her decision to go to jail to protect a source and told a journalism conference Tuesday that reporters need a federal shield law so that others won't face the same sanctions. http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=BreakingstoryId=1104064 -- Chris Clymer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: E546 19B6 D1EC 47A7 CAA0 8623 C807 398C CD27 15B8 - -- Chris Clymer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: E546 19B6 D1EC 47A7 CAA0 8623 C807 398C CD27 15B8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDVo3MyAc5jM0nFbgRAtKQAJ427wj//CP8W7eyV4zzzlytFX1RZwCfd3Zi pmfTHmDlqSqLwMNAlZs++gY= =MAHe -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Chris Clymer n:Clymer;Chris org:Youngstown Linux User Group adr:;;252 Colonial Drive;Canfield;Ohio;44406;United States of America email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Founder tel;cell:330.507.3651 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.chrisclymer.com version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Judy Miller needing killing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You're just trolling, right? Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Sending a reporter to jail for not revealing her source sure sounds like its infringing on freedom of the press to me. The issue isn't HER. The issue is that if I'm someone that wants to blow the whistle on something, I'm going to be less likely to do it if the reporter I tell might reveal me as her source. And of course, reporters might be less likely to cover such stories if they may end up choosing between protecting the source and jail. On July of 2005, Miller was jailed for contempt of court by refusing to testify before a federal grand jury investigating a leak naming Valerie Plame as a covert CIA agent. Miller did not write about Plame, but is reportedly in possession of evidence relevant to the leak investigation. According to a subpoena, Miller met with an unnamed government official ? later revealed to be Scooter Libby, Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff ? on July 8, 2003, two days after former ambassador Joseph Wilson published an Op-Ed in the Times criticizing the Bush administration for twisting intelligence to justify war in Iraq. (Plame's CIA identity was revealed by political commentator Robert Novak on July 14, 2003.) That woman went to jail for not revealing the source, on a story SHE NEVER EVEN WROTE. Thats dedication. Major Variola (ret.) wrote: So this dupe/spy/wannabe journalist thinks that journalists should be *special*.. how nice. Where in the 1st amendment is the class journalists mentioned? She needs a WMD enema. LAS VEGAS (AP) -- New York Times reporter Judith Miller defended her decision to go to jail to protect a source and told a journalism conference Tuesday that reporters need a federal shield law so that others won't face the same sanctions. http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=BreakingstoryId=1104064 - -- Chris Clymer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: E546 19B6 D1EC 47A7 CAA0 8623 C807 398C CD27 15B8 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDVnALyAc5jM0nFbgRAhiIAKCCDAizX/32F3U8BEAEZo1jmbufjACeOATk UAp601vKKywgkklcAWd0iaI= =73ed -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Chris Clymer n:Clymer;Chris org:Youngstown Linux User Group adr:;;252 Colonial Drive;Canfield;Ohio;44406;United States of America email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Founder tel;cell:330.507.3651 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.chrisclymer.com version:2.1 end:vcard
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Re: Optical Tempest FAQ
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 01:01:57 -0500, Dave Emery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... In fact the greater hazard may sometimes be from red, yellow or green LEDs on the front of equipment that are directly driven with real data in order to allow troubleshooting - recovering data from one of those at a distance using a good telescope may be possible and most people don't think of the gentle flicker of the LED as carrying actual information that could be intercepted. Like this classic. Was just as much fun to reread as it was the first time. :) http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:YdHPMAbPMeAJ:www.applied-math.org/optical_tempest.pdf+black+tape+over+modem+lights+tempesthl=enclient=firefox http://www.applied-math.org/optical_tempest.pdf -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?
Re: E-Mail Authentication Will Not End Spam, Panelists Say
Russell Nelson writes: Yes, this is true. John Gilmore is a pain in the ass for standing on his rights (some government types might say *fucking* pain in the ass), but he is correct. ALL of the effort spent to secure open relays was basically wasted effort, because spammers just moved on to insecure client machines. The proper route to control spam is to involve users in prioritizing their email, so that their friend's email comes first, followed by anybody they've sent mail to, followed by people they've gotten email from before, followed by mailing list mail, followed by email from strangers (which is where all the spam is). All of that relies on email authentication to work. Spammers will start hijacking authenticated servers. The solution is to automatically classify messages according to user preference. Good software to do this is already in mainstream MUAs, and even better software to do it is open source (google for weka machine learning as an example). Someday (hopefully soon), MUAs will be able to automatically classify messages into more than two categories. There is already phenomenal software (reeltwo.com; commercial but based on Weka) to do this very quickly and accurately. -- Chris Palmer Staff Technologist, Electronic Frontier Foundation 415 436 9333 x124 (desk), 415 305 5842 (cell) 81C0 E11D CE73 4390 B6C7 3415 B286 CD8F 68E4 09CD pgpIMDPC2V5Gp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: E-Mail Authentication Will Not End Spam, Panelists Say
Russell Nelson writes: Yes, this is true. John Gilmore is a pain in the ass for standing on his rights (some government types might say *fucking* pain in the ass), but he is correct. ALL of the effort spent to secure open relays was basically wasted effort, because spammers just moved on to insecure client machines. The proper route to control spam is to involve users in prioritizing their email, so that their friend's email comes first, followed by anybody they've sent mail to, followed by people they've gotten email from before, followed by mailing list mail, followed by email from strangers (which is where all the spam is). All of that relies on email authentication to work. Spammers will start hijacking authenticated servers. The solution is to automatically classify messages according to user preference. Good software to do this is already in mainstream MUAs, and even better software to do it is open source (google for weka machine learning as an example). Someday (hopefully soon), MUAs will be able to automatically classify messages into more than two categories. There is already phenomenal software (reeltwo.com; commercial but based on Weka) to do this very quickly and accurately. -- Chris Palmer Staff Technologist, Electronic Frontier Foundation 415 436 9333 x124 (desk), 415 305 5842 (cell) 81C0 E11D CE73 4390 B6C7 3415 B286 CD8F 68E4 09CD pgpP7izGedOJX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [osint] Group to launch terrorist database
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:45:33 -0500 (EST), Steve Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They should set up a snitch line, so to speak, so that the general public can report, possibly even by email, incidents of small-scale terrorism and potential terrorism that they might witness as they go about their daily lives. It couldn't hurt. In fact, such a move would easily eliminate any question of institutional bias in reference to the selection criterion used to evaluate whether any given incident qualifies as terrorism or not. Quoting from http://bofh.ntk.net/Bastard3.html == I make a mental note of his license plate. In fact, I did that 60 times a minute for 15 and a half minutes. Oh dear.. oh dear Looks like another call to the DMV Database to register a vehicle as stolen by out of town arms dealers... == So when some jackhole cuts you off in traffic, now you don't report him as a possible drunk driver, now you can turn him into DHS as a highway terrorist. Unless he's preemtively called you in. Everyone remember the rules of the prisoner's game? Anyway, you already have snitch lines. http://www.fbi.gov/page2/oct04/seekinfo103004.htm says you can use the online tip form, or contact your local FBI office or US embassy. Or your police department. I'm not usually one to come out in favour of government database systems, but for something like the terrorism database (which has the potential to greatly enhance the security of democracy and law), what's there not to like about it? Howzabout the difficulty of sorting the useful tips out of the chaff when you just know that some new spam network will be set up to flood the system with bogus yet somewhat plausible tips. Howzabout the difficulty that you - the meat blob - will have trying to get your name out of the database after you unfortunately happened to be within a 10 mile radius of the real terrorists. Howzabout the fact that in this day and age of the internet and telephone, no one seems to have successfully managed to hack up some little Law-Enforcement-Only forum where They go to talk about how to catch terrorists. That's a people problem, really. Howzabout the fact that all LE organizations seem to have a real hard time working together, squealing about jurisdiction, etc. If they were actually serious about getting the job done, they'd either put the juris-my-dick-tion bullshit or there would be some presidental directive simply ordering everyone to play nice together. I don't think either of those are happening, based on the number of security czars who seem to be retiring suddenly. -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?
Re: Why Americans Hate Democrats-A Dialogue
Fun bits to read, somewhat related to Owell and the perceived notional differences between various... extremists. http://www.campusprogram.com/reference/en/wikipedia/f/fa/fascism.html http://www.k-1.com/Orwell/site/opinion/essays/storgaard1.html http://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm Certainly one could infer from reading Politics and the English Language that Orwell could've or would've thought such a thing. If anyone finds it before I do, post a link, will ya? CK On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:38:21 -0500, R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 9:31 AM -0800 11/6/04, James Donald wrote: As George Orwell observed, anyone who thinks there is a significant difference between nazis and commies is in favor of one or the other. I'm going to have hunt that one up for my .sig file. Thank you. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?
Re: Why Americans Hate Democrats-A Dialogue
Fun bits to read, somewhat related to Owell and the perceived notional differences between various... extremists. http://www.campusprogram.com/reference/en/wikipedia/f/fa/fascism.html http://www.k-1.com/Orwell/site/opinion/essays/storgaard1.html http://orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm Certainly one could infer from reading Politics and the English Language that Orwell could've or would've thought such a thing. If anyone finds it before I do, post a link, will ya? CK On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:38:21 -0500, R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 9:31 AM -0800 11/6/04, James Donald wrote: As George Orwell observed, anyone who thinks there is a significant difference between nazis and commies is in favor of one or the other. I'm going to have hunt that one up for my .sig file. Thank you. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?
Re: Your source code, for sale
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:01:41 -0500, Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... My photo-bundle receives the releases and opens, and then shoots off a message that activates the pre-release on your end, giving you the cash. Is a 3rd party necessary here? I don't see it, but then again I could be wrong. What if I block the outbound release the money message after I unbundle the images. Sure, I've already committed my money, but you can't get to it. In effect I've just ripped you off, because I have usable product and you don't have usable money. The proof of delivery comes in handy here, so that as soon as I can prove to the bank that my product has arrived within your administrative area, they'll pay me. And the bank sends me a key to unlock the product as soon as it sends you the money. And what *GUARANTEE* do I have that the blob of bits you sent me with the Geri Ryan photos on the outside isn't something from goatse.cx or tubgirl...? Let's say there are 24000 items in the tarball of the IOS code. Do you want to pay $24K for all of them (once) or $12K for half of them (twice) or $1 per file or directory (24000 times)? Do you want to pay per committed bit or character? How can you protect yourself from me committing to sell you /dev/random? I'm sure everyone has this bit committed to memory, but the beginning of Applied Crypto, chapter 2 says: = Protocols have other characteristics as well: -- Everyone involved in the protocol must know the protocol and all of the steps to follow in advance. -- Everyone involved in the protocol must agree to follow it. -- The protocol must be unambiguous; each step must be well defined and there must be no chance of a misunderstanding. -- The protocol must be complete; there must be a specified action for every possible situation. ... The whole point of using cryptography in a protocol is to prevent or detect eavesdropping and cheating. = That last property is critical: what does the protocol do when someone isn't playing by the rules? Of course, there's nothing that crypto can do to prevent you from selling me garbage, only the fact that you intentionally did so can be proven. Comment about bribing the dockside worker at the shipping line deleted. -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?
Re: Your source code, for sale
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Re: Financial identity is *dangerous*? (was re: Fake companies, real money)
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2003, Steve Schear wrote: A New Zealand home handyman's bid to construct a cruise missile in his shed has made global headlines, and the British media have dubbed him a threat to world security. http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/06/05/1054700311550.html http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/cruise.shtml the register has a fun page about cheap UAV / drone widgets... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/29933.html i've been to more than one lan party / geeky caffeine klatsch where we pondered what happens when people start making flocks of drones carrying ... unpleasant things. wondering how big or small of an EMP you could carry around in a drone. wondering if you could maybe set a mostly-styrofoam drone to orbit for a few days or weeks soaking up the sun, charging its batteries before showing up for work somewhere. a few thousand feet up, an albatross-sized craft would scarcely be noticeable. CK -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?
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On 6 Feb 2003, Peter Fairbrother [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Unfortuately, this is not true in the UK - the penalty for non-decryption of encrypted files on request by an LEA (even if you don't have the key!) is a jail term. b) Plod would have to prove you have the key, and refused to give it, before you got convicted. Kinda hard to do. Amusingly, this requirement was only added *after* activists e-mailed the Home Secretary, Jack Straw, with mail encrypted to random public keys; making the point that unless he could decrypt all of them if asked, he'd be looking at a jail term. An RMS article from _The Guardian_ gives more details about the bill: http://www.stallman.org/knock.html Another point is that ``normal'' constables aren't able to action the request; they have to be approved by the Chief Constable of a police force, or the head of a relevant Government department. The full text of the Act is available at: http://www.fipr.org/rip/ripa2000.htm - Chris. -- $a=printf.net; Chris Ball | chris@void.$a | www.$a | finger: chris@$a | The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy | way to factor large prime numbers. -- Bill Gates, _The Road Ahead_.
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Re: NYT: Jim Bell = Osama bin Laden
The good thing is that most of the people who would do it are so stupid that they would kill themselves first, said Sheriff Dupont Heh, no shit! LOL.
