RE: [Dissidents Seeking Anonymous Web Solutions?]

2005-05-25 Thread Tyler Durden


Variola wrote...


Three minutes. This is it - ground zero.
Would you like to say a few words to mark
the occasion?
Narrator: ...i... ann... iinn... ff...
nnyin...
Narrator: [Voice over] With a gun barrel
between your
teeth, you speak only in vowels.
[Tyler removes the gun from the Narrator's
mouth]
Narrator: I can't think of anything.
Narrator: [Voice over] For a second I
totally forgot about
Tyler's whole controlled demolition thing
and I wonder
how clean that gun is.


What the hell is this? How'd you get this transcript? Are you working for 
the Feds?!!!


Well, I'm ready...Gitmo me if you can, but I'm taking somma you fuckers with 
me!!!





RE: [Dissidents Seeking Anonymous Web Solutions?]

2005-05-25 Thread Tyler Durden


Variola wrote...


Three minutes. This is it - ground zero.
Would you like to say a few words to mark
the occasion?
Narrator: ...i... ann... iinn... ff...
nnyin...
Narrator: [Voice over] With a gun barrel
between your
teeth, you speak only in vowels.
[Tyler removes the gun from the Narrator's
mouth]
Narrator: I can't think of anything.
Narrator: [Voice over] For a second I
totally forgot about
Tyler's whole controlled demolition thing
and I wonder
how clean that gun is.


What the hell is this? How'd you get this transcript? Are you working for 
the Feds?!!!


Well, I'm ready...Gitmo me if you can, but I'm taking somma you fuckers with 
me!!!





[Dissidents Seeking Anonymous Web Solutions?]

2005-05-24 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 03:03 PM 5/17/05 -0700, cypherpunk wrote:
[1]DocMurphy asks: I'm working with some dissidents who are
looking
for ways to use the Internet from within repressive regimes. Many
have
in-home Internet access, but think it too risky to participate in
pro-freedom activities on home PCs.

(Could be a lot of groups in the US.)  The best way to interactively
surf anonymously
is to find an unsecured WiFi net and kick back.   Use a forged MAC, and
watch your
driving habits.  The walls have eyes.

Stego is ok if the site is word of mouth (no DNS, no port 80) anyway,
kind of a
secret knock to get in the speakeasy.  But humans get compromised and
the B34ST
logs the site's traffic.

Stego is fine for placing an order with a dissident vendor for a few
drams, but a dissident wanting
mass meme infection needs to anonymously broadcast, and to everyone.
That SMS/ Sprint hack recently
posted strikes me as appealing...

(And we don't need no ex-navy dolphin to jack the bandwidth...)

--
Three minutes. This is it - ground zero.
Would you like to say a few words to mark
the occasion?
Narrator: ...i... ann... iinn... ff...
nnyin...
Narrator: [Voice over] With a gun barrel
between your
teeth, you speak only in vowels.
[Tyler removes the gun from the Narrator's
mouth]
Narrator: I can't think of anything.
Narrator: [Voice over] For a second I
totally forgot about
Tyler's whole controlled demolition thing
and I wonder
how clean that gun is.







[Dissidents Seeking Anonymous Web Solutions?]

2005-05-23 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 03:03 PM 5/17/05 -0700, cypherpunk wrote:
[1]DocMurphy asks: I'm working with some dissidents who are
looking
for ways to use the Internet from within repressive regimes. Many
have
in-home Internet access, but think it too risky to participate in
pro-freedom activities on home PCs.

(Could be a lot of groups in the US.)  The best way to interactively
surf anonymously
is to find an unsecured WiFi net and kick back.   Use a forged MAC, and
watch your
driving habits.  The walls have eyes.

Stego is ok if the site is word of mouth (no DNS, no port 80) anyway,
kind of a
secret knock to get in the speakeasy.  But humans get compromised and
the B34ST
logs the site's traffic.

Stego is fine for placing an order with a dissident vendor for a few
drams, but a dissident wanting
mass meme infection needs to anonymously broadcast, and to everyone.
That SMS/ Sprint hack recently
posted strikes me as appealing...

(And we don't need no ex-navy dolphin to jack the bandwidth...)

--
Three minutes. This is it - ground zero.
Would you like to say a few words to mark
the occasion?
Narrator: ...i... ann... iinn... ff...
nnyin...
Narrator: [Voice over] With a gun barrel
between your
teeth, you speak only in vowels.
[Tyler removes the gun from the Narrator's
mouth]
Narrator: I can't think of anything.
Narrator: [Voice over] For a second I
totally forgot about
Tyler's whole controlled demolition thing
and I wonder
how clean that gun is.







Re: /. [Dissidents Seeking Anonymous Web Solutions?]

2005-05-19 Thread cypherpunk
 Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/13/0250226
[1]DocMurphy asks: I'm working with some dissidents who are looking
for ways to use the Internet from within repressive regimes. Many have
in-home Internet access, but think it too risky to participate in
pro-freedom activities on home PCs. Internet cafis are also available,
but although fairly anonymous, every machine may be infected with
keystroke loggers that give governments access to and knowledge of
'banned' sites. Dissidents not only want to remain anonymous
themselves, but also wish to not compromise the sites they access. Any
suggestions for products/procedures/systems out there making anonymous
access  publishing a reality under repressive regime run Internet
access?

There were some good ideas presented, the best of which were probably
to first compose an email at home, then PGP encrypt it, then stego-ize
it, then put it on a USB token and bring it to the internet cafe, and
send it there.  For receiving, download a bunch of junk from a mailing
list used for this purpose onto the token, go home and de-stego and
de-PGP it.

This doesn't work though for web browsing. For that you need a real
time channel. You can go to various proxies, and some people run them
specifically to help the Chinese, the slashdot replies talked about
this. But first, the Chinese block them when they find out, and
second, it makes you look suspicious if you're visiting one.

Be nice if there were a high bandwidth stego channel that was widely
available. For example, imagine an open source P2P multi player game
which intentionally included a reasonably high bandwidth channel of
random data. It would be a service to the public to play this game and
thereby provide people who need it the ability to communicate
undetectably. Dissidents could use a hacked version which would
replace some of the random noise bits with their messages. Only the
recipients could distinguish the results from noise.

CP



Re: /. [Dissidents Seeking Anonymous Web Solutions?]

2005-05-17 Thread cypherpunk
 Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/13/0250226
[1]DocMurphy asks: I'm working with some dissidents who are looking
for ways to use the Internet from within repressive regimes. Many have
in-home Internet access, but think it too risky to participate in
pro-freedom activities on home PCs. Internet cafis are also available,
but although fairly anonymous, every machine may be infected with
keystroke loggers that give governments access to and knowledge of
'banned' sites. Dissidents not only want to remain anonymous
themselves, but also wish to not compromise the sites they access. Any
suggestions for products/procedures/systems out there making anonymous
access  publishing a reality under repressive regime run Internet
access?

There were some good ideas presented, the best of which were probably
to first compose an email at home, then PGP encrypt it, then stego-ize
it, then put it on a USB token and bring it to the internet cafe, and
send it there.  For receiving, download a bunch of junk from a mailing
list used for this purpose onto the token, go home and de-stego and
de-PGP it.

This doesn't work though for web browsing. For that you need a real
time channel. You can go to various proxies, and some people run them
specifically to help the Chinese, the slashdot replies talked about
this. But first, the Chinese block them when they find out, and
second, it makes you look suspicious if you're visiting one.

Be nice if there were a high bandwidth stego channel that was widely
available. For example, imagine an open source P2P multi player game
which intentionally included a reasonably high bandwidth channel of
random data. It would be a service to the public to play this game and
thereby provide people who need it the ability to communicate
undetectably. Dissidents could use a hacked version which would
replace some of the random noise bits with their messages. Only the
recipients could distinguish the results from noise.

CP



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2005-05-16 Thread Eugen Leitl

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/13/0250226
Posted by: Cliff, on 2005-05-13 19:38:00

   from the browsing-without-regard-for-politics dept.
   [1]DocMurphy asks: I'm working with some dissidents who are looking
   for ways to use the Internet from within repressive regimes. Many have
   in-home Internet access, but think it too risky to participate in
   pro-freedom activities on home PCs. Internet cafés are also available,
   but although fairly anonymous, every machine may be infected with
   keystroke loggers that give governments access to and knowledge of
   'banned' sites. Dissidents not only want to remain anonymous
   themselves, but also wish to not compromise the sites they access. Any
   suggestions for products/procedures/systems out there making anonymous
   access  publishing a reality under repressive regime run Internet
   access?

References

   1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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2005-05-16 Thread Joseph Holsten
I told him to how to find his answers and to try finding us. Let's
hope he's actually motivated.

-- 
Joseph Anthony Pasquale Holsten
5813 E 64 PL TULSA OK 74136
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
857-891-7585

Eugen: oops



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2005-05-14 Thread Eugen Leitl

Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/13/0250226
Posted by: Cliff, on 2005-05-13 19:38:00

   from the browsing-without-regard-for-politics dept.
   [1]DocMurphy asks: I'm working with some dissidents who are looking
   for ways to use the Internet from within repressive regimes. Many have
   in-home Internet access, but think it too risky to participate in
   pro-freedom activities on home PCs. Internet cafés are also available,
   but although fairly anonymous, every machine may be infected with
   keystroke loggers that give governments access to and knowledge of
   'banned' sites. Dissidents not only want to remain anonymous
   themselves, but also wish to not compromise the sites they access. Any
   suggestions for products/procedures/systems out there making anonymous
   access  publishing a reality under repressive regime run Internet
   access?

References

   1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: /. [Dissidents Seeking Anonymous Web Solutions?]

2005-05-14 Thread Joseph Holsten
I told him to how to find his answers and to try finding us. Let's
hope he's actually motivated.

-- 
Joseph Anthony Pasquale Holsten
5813 E 64 PL TULSA OK 74136
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
857-891-7585

Eugen: oops