Re: [silk] Google Targeted ads - gmail (fwd from rishab@dxm.org)
At 11:26 AM 4/1/05 -0800, cypherpunk wrote: On Apr 1, 2005 10:57 AM, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now here's your one stop shop for evil. A position for Google minister for propaganda is about to be posted, so I hear. Let's get this straight. It's not evil if people are voluntarily agreeing to it! Maybe you're being facetious but you undermine the significance of true evil by applying the word to voluntary relationships. Cypherpunks should support noncoercive information relationships because they give users the option to protect their own privacy. Nobody is forced to use Google, and technology exists to allow it to be used in a privacy protecting way. True evil would be a system which takes away your options and forces you to interact in a way that prevents you from protecting yourself. Google is 180 degrees removed from such an approach. 1. The author is entirely, c'punkly correct. Trading your DNA for a hamburger is entirely voluntary, consensual, ergo moral. That Joe Sixpack is a sheep with her butt in the air is not relevant. Temple Grandin (a future Google BOD member) has designed really comfy slaughterhouses. 2. If you don't encrypt, you broadcast. End of story.
Re: [silk] Google Targeted ads - gmail (fwd from rishab@dxm.org)
- Forwarded message from Rishab Aiyer Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Rishab Aiyer Ghosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:00:48 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [silk] Google Targeted ads - gmail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] biju, you use gmail. of *course* google knows everything, they read your private mails. perhaps manipal was mentioned in some mail sent by you, to you or by/to one of the people on your address list who happen to have gmail accounts... -rishab (who was shocked when he heard from a google board member that the store all ip addresses for all searches forever, and won't round off - eg. to class C or zip code - because they don't yet know what they want to do with this wonderful privacy-invading detailed stuff) At 09:17 17/03/2005, Biju Chacko wrote: Ok, that does it. I am now convinced that Google is the new Big Brother. Next to Gabin's reply to my mail was an ad for a program at Manipal University. For those you don't know, Gabin and I became friends at Manipal. /me is impressed. Google knows *everything*. - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpdHmlRwj81Q.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [silk] Google Targeted ads - gmail (fwd from rishab@dxm.org)
hi, Maybe it was just a bot parsing the contents of the mail. Cannot say for sure. Reading every ones g-mail doesn't appear to be practical. Sarad. --- Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:17 17/03/2005, Biju Chacko wrote: Ok, that does it. I am now convinced that Google is the new Big Brother. Next to Gabin's reply to my mail was an ad for a program at Manipal University. For those you don't know, Gabin and I became friends at Manipal. /me is impressed. Google knows *everything*. - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net __ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest
Re: [silk] Google Targeted ads - gmail (fwd from rishab@dxm.org)
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 10:17:46AM -0800, Sarad AV wrote: hi, Maybe it was just a bot parsing the contents of the mail. Cannot say for sure. Reading every ones g-mail doesn't appear to be practical. Did you miss the part where Google unofficially admitted storing queries for good? Given their attidude, and storage, they're storing *anything* they can. Everyone is using Google. Not just for searching; Orkut and Google local, News, AdWords, Gmail, what have you. You don't have to run it, you can just read over their shoulders to get a really detailed profile on any user. Or subpoena stuff on some selected users. Now here's your one stop shop for evil. A position for Google minister for propaganda is about to be posted, so I hear. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpZ71ygydcUH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [silk] Google Targeted ads - gmail (fwd from rishab@dxm.org)
On Apr 1, 2005 10:57 AM, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now here's your one stop shop for evil. A position for Google minister for propaganda is about to be posted, so I hear. Let's get this straight. It's not evil if people are voluntarily agreeing to it! Maybe you're being facetious but you undermine the significance of true evil by applying the word to voluntary relationships. Cypherpunks should support noncoercive information relationships because they give users the option to protect their own privacy. Nobody is forced to use Google, and technology exists to allow it to be used in a privacy protecting way. True evil would be a system which takes away your options and forces you to interact in a way that prevents you from protecting yourself. Google is 180 degrees removed from such an approach. CP
Re: [silk] Google Targeted ads - gmail (fwd from rishab@dxm.org)
hi, Maybe it was just a bot parsing the contents of the mail. Cannot say for sure. Reading every ones g-mail doesn't appear to be practical. Sarad. --- Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:17 17/03/2005, Biju Chacko wrote: Ok, that does it. I am now convinced that Google is the new Big Brother. Next to Gabin's reply to my mail was an ad for a program at Manipal University. For those you don't know, Gabin and I became friends at Manipal. /me is impressed. Google knows *everything*. - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144 http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net __ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest
Re: [silk] Google Targeted ads - gmail (fwd from rishab@dxm.org)
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 10:17:46AM -0800, Sarad AV wrote: hi, Maybe it was just a bot parsing the contents of the mail. Cannot say for sure. Reading every ones g-mail doesn't appear to be practical. Did you miss the part where Google unofficially admitted storing queries for good? Given their attidude, and storage, they're storing *anything* they can. Everyone is using Google. Not just for searching; Orkut and Google local, News, AdWords, Gmail, what have you. You don't have to run it, you can just read over their shoulders to get a really detailed profile on any user. Or subpoena stuff on some selected users. Now here's your one stop shop for evil. A position for Google minister for propaganda is about to be posted, so I hear. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpTzz47mlvB8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [silk] Google Targeted ads - gmail (fwd from rishab@dxm.org)
On Apr 1, 2005 10:57 AM, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now here's your one stop shop for evil. A position for Google minister for propaganda is about to be posted, so I hear. Let's get this straight. It's not evil if people are voluntarily agreeing to it! Maybe you're being facetious but you undermine the significance of true evil by applying the word to voluntary relationships. Cypherpunks should support noncoercive information relationships because they give users the option to protect their own privacy. Nobody is forced to use Google, and technology exists to allow it to be used in a privacy protecting way. True evil would be a system which takes away your options and forces you to interact in a way that prevents you from protecting yourself. Google is 180 degrees removed from such an approach. CP
