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RE: Don't Trust Your Eyes or URLs (was Re: TidBITS#766/14-Feb-05)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.A. Hettinga Don't Trust Your Eyes or URLs - by Glenn Fleishman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The likelihood of falling victim to a spoofed URL on the Web itself is less likely, assuming you start from a site that's a relatively trusted source. Actually, as we've seen in probably the first example of this technique, you can start from a bid on eBay which says click here to pay with PayPal, and get somewhere else; and one will likely assume the best, since he trusts eBay. Marcel -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005
Don't Trust Your Eyes or URLs (was Re: TidBITS#766/14-Feb-05)
At 6:21 PM -0800 2/14/05, TidBITS Editors wrote: Don't Trust Your Eyes or URLs - by Glenn Fleishman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The clever folks at the Shmoo Group, a bunch of interesting security folks who punch holes in assumptions about what's secure on the Internet, have discovered a simple way to fool most browsers into believing that they've connected to a secure Web site when they've been spoofed into connecting to a rogue location with a different name. It's ironic, but Internet Explorer is entirely exempt from this spoof. Opera, Safari and KHTML-based browsers, and all Mozilla and Firefox browsers suffer from this weakness on all platforms. http://www.shmoo.com/ http://www.shmoo.com/idn/homograph.txt In brief, the Shmoos found that a poorly implemented method of allowing international language encoding within domain names, called International Domain Name (IDN) support, allows a malicious party to display what appears to be one domain name in the Location field of a browser while connecting you to another. Phishing scams have just become more difficult to identify. This exploit is made possible by a system called punycode, which has been widely adopted according to the Shmoo Group. Domain names that use characters outside of unaccented Western alphabet letters via Unicode/UTF-8 are converted into a string of Roman letters (see Matt Neuburg's Two Bytes of the Cherry: Unicode and Mac OS X for more information on Unicode). This conversion isn't a problem, per se: it means that domain names outside of the English character set can be used freely without confusing browsers and can be registered using simple English characters for backwards compatibility within the domain naming infrastructure. http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbser=1217 The flaw is twofold: first, affected browsers display whatever the encoded version of the character is, which might look identical to another language's character. For instance, the Shmoos use the Russian lower-case letter A, which is encoded as 1072; in UTF-8 using decimal (base 10) notation, and displays in browsers that support IDN as a lower-case A indistinguishable from a Roman lowercase A. http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0430/ The second problem leads from the first: it's possible to have a legitimate SSL (Secure Sockets Layer) digital certificate for the punycode-based domain name. Thus, in an example that the Schmoos posted for a while (now replaced), you see https://www.paypal.com/; in your browser URL field, and the SSL signals are all there - you get no warnings, the lock icon is present, and Firefox's Security tab in the Page Info window says the Web site's identity is verified. Click View in that same tab in Firefox, and you'll see the full punycode name of the Web site, however, which is www.xn--pypal-4ve.com. Copy the URL from the Location field and paste it into Terminal, and you'll see the encoded version in standard UTF-8 format, too, which looks like www.p1072;ypal.com. I don't know that there's an easy solution to this problem. It's the result of choice by the developers of the various browsers to display precisely what a Unicode character looks like, which is reasonable enough. But at the same time they use a kludgy, opaque hack in the background to map that Unicode character to an English character to provide full backwards compatibility with what was once a U.S.-centric domain naming system, one that retains substantial vestiges of that history. If you're a Firefox user, I recommend obtaining and installing a utility called SpoofStick, which alerts you to what is being called homograph spoofing; that is, the character or glyph looks like another, unrelated glyph. If you visit the Shmoo site with SpoofStick installed, you get a big lovely warning. http://www.corestreet.com/spoofstick/ Trust has gone out the window when you follow links in email or on Web sites. There's no longer a way to be sure that the domain name you're visiting is the one you think you are unless you check the URL out in Terminal or have SpoofStick installed. Realistically, the upshot of this situation is that you must be even more careful about following links you receive in email to sites that ask for sensitive information. A message that purports to be from PayPal customer service, for instance, may look right and even use URLs that appear to connect to PayPal's site, but could in fact be taking you to another site designed to capture your username and password. The likelihood of falling victim to a spoofed URL on the Web itself is less likely, assuming you start from a site that's a relatively trusted source. When in doubt, fall back on common sense and check the URL by pasting suspect URLs into Terminal to see if they're concealing any unusual Unicode characters. Hopefully
Don't Trust Your Eyes or URLs (was Re: TidBITS#766/14-Feb-05)
At 6:21 PM -0800 2/14/05, TidBITS Editors wrote: Don't Trust Your Eyes or URLs - by Glenn Fleishman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The clever folks at the Shmoo Group, a bunch of interesting security folks who punch holes in assumptions about what's secure on the Internet, have discovered a simple way to fool most browsers into believing that they've connected to a secure Web site when they've been spoofed into connecting to a rogue location with a different name. It's ironic, but Internet Explorer is entirely exempt from this spoof. Opera, Safari and KHTML-based browsers, and all Mozilla and Firefox browsers suffer from this weakness on all platforms. http://www.shmoo.com/ http://www.shmoo.com/idn/homograph.txt In brief, the Shmoos found that a poorly implemented method of allowing international language encoding within domain names, called International Domain Name (IDN) support, allows a malicious party to display what appears to be one domain name in the Location field of a browser while connecting you to another. Phishing scams have just become more difficult to identify. This exploit is made possible by a system called punycode, which has been widely adopted according to the Shmoo Group. Domain names that use characters outside of unaccented Western alphabet letters via Unicode/UTF-8 are converted into a string of Roman letters (see Matt Neuburg's Two Bytes of the Cherry: Unicode and Mac OS X for more information on Unicode). This conversion isn't a problem, per se: it means that domain names outside of the English character set can be used freely without confusing browsers and can be registered using simple English characters for backwards compatibility within the domain naming infrastructure. http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbser=1217 The flaw is twofold: first, affected browsers display whatever the encoded version of the character is, which might look identical to another language's character. For instance, the Shmoos use the Russian lower-case letter A, which is encoded as 1072; in UTF-8 using decimal (base 10) notation, and displays in browsers that support IDN as a lower-case A indistinguishable from a Roman lowercase A. http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0430/ The second problem leads from the first: it's possible to have a legitimate SSL (Secure Sockets Layer) digital certificate for the punycode-based domain name. Thus, in an example that the Schmoos posted for a while (now replaced), you see https://www.paypal.com/; in your browser URL field, and the SSL signals are all there - you get no warnings, the lock icon is present, and Firefox's Security tab in the Page Info window says the Web site's identity is verified. Click View in that same tab in Firefox, and you'll see the full punycode name of the Web site, however, which is www.xn--pypal-4ve.com. Copy the URL from the Location field and paste it into Terminal, and you'll see the encoded version in standard UTF-8 format, too, which looks like www.p1072;ypal.com. I don't know that there's an easy solution to this problem. It's the result of choice by the developers of the various browsers to display precisely what a Unicode character looks like, which is reasonable enough. But at the same time they use a kludgy, opaque hack in the background to map that Unicode character to an English character to provide full backwards compatibility with what was once a U.S.-centric domain naming system, one that retains substantial vestiges of that history. If you're a Firefox user, I recommend obtaining and installing a utility called SpoofStick, which alerts you to what is being called homograph spoofing; that is, the character or glyph looks like another, unrelated glyph. If you visit the Shmoo site with SpoofStick installed, you get a big lovely warning. http://www.corestreet.com/spoofstick/ Trust has gone out the window when you follow links in email or on Web sites. There's no longer a way to be sure that the domain name you're visiting is the one you think you are unless you check the URL out in Terminal or have SpoofStick installed. Realistically, the upshot of this situation is that you must be even more careful about following links you receive in email to sites that ask for sensitive information. A message that purports to be from PayPal customer service, for instance, may look right and even use URLs that appear to connect to PayPal's site, but could in fact be taking you to another site designed to capture your username and password. The likelihood of falling victim to a spoofed URL on the Web itself is less likely, assuming you start from a site that's a relatively trusted source. When in doubt, fall back on common sense and check the URL by pasting suspect URLs into Terminal to see if they're concealing any unusual Unicode characters. Hopefully
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Trust no one: backdoored CPUs
We worried about compromized OSes, BIOSes, read last week about a PNG library bug that lets images run buffer exploits, now CPUs can be backdoored: From Scheier's Crypto-gram: Here's an interesting hardware security vulnerability. Turns out that it's possible to update the AMD K8 processor (Athlon64 or Opteron) microcode. And, get this, there's no authentication check. So it's possible that an attacker who has access to a machine can backdoor the CPU. http://www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detailPostNum=252 7Thread=1entryID=35446roomID=11 or http://tinyurl.com/43kod
Re: Trust no one: backdoored CPUs
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: We worried about compromized OSes, BIOSes, read last week about a PNG library bug that lets images run buffer exploits, now CPUs can be backdoored: From Scheier's Crypto-gram: Here's an interesting hardware security vulnerability. Turns out that it's possible to update the AMD K8 processor (Athlon64 or Opteron) microcode. And, get this, there's no authentication check. So it's possible that an attacker who has access to a machine can backdoor the CPU. http://www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detailPostNum=252 7Thread=1entryID=35446roomID=11 or http://tinyurl.com/43kod Old news. The ability to update CPU microcode has been around (publicly) since the Pentium Pro. I have no proof (other than vague memories), but I believe this was around even earlier on some of the more archaic CPU lines in the middle 80's. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF ...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them. Osama Bin Laden - - - There aught to be limits to freedom!George Bush - - - Which one scares you more?
Trust no one: backdoored CPUs
We worried about compromized OSes, BIOSes, read last week about a PNG library bug that lets images run buffer exploits, now CPUs can be backdoored: From Scheier's Crypto-gram: Here's an interesting hardware security vulnerability. Turns out that it's possible to update the AMD K8 processor (Athlon64 or Opteron) microcode. And, get this, there's no authentication check. So it's possible that an attacker who has access to a machine can backdoor the CPU. http://www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detailPostNum=252 7Thread=1entryID=35446roomID=11 or http://tinyurl.com/43kod
Re: Trust no one: backdoored CPUs
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: We worried about compromized OSes, BIOSes, read last week about a PNG library bug that lets images run buffer exploits, now CPUs can be backdoored: From Scheier's Crypto-gram: Here's an interesting hardware security vulnerability. Turns out that it's possible to update the AMD K8 processor (Athlon64 or Opteron) microcode. And, get this, there's no authentication check. So it's possible that an attacker who has access to a machine can backdoor the CPU. http://www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detailPostNum=252 7Thread=1entryID=35446roomID=11 or http://tinyurl.com/43kod Old news. The ability to update CPU microcode has been around (publicly) since the Pentium Pro. I have no proof (other than vague memories), but I believe this was around even earlier on some of the more archaic CPU lines in the middle 80's. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF ...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them. Osama Bin Laden - - - There aught to be limits to freedom!George Bush - - - Which one scares you more?
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Re: [mnet-devel] Grid Of Trust -- pre-design (fwd from zooko@zooko.com)
- Forwarded message from Zooko O'Whielacronx [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Zooko O'Whielacronx [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 25 Nov 2003 09:37:31 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [mnet-devel] Grid Of Trust -- pre-design Some Guy wrote: Hey guys who ever wants to take first peek at my baby DHT/premix idea please take a peek and crtitique it. It's a bit rough around the edges and there's plenty of room for modification, but I'm pretty sure the ideas are sound. http://de.geocities.com/amichrisde/Grid_Of_Trust.html The basic idea is to force data and nodes to be randomly distributed in a grid. This provides resistance against serveral types of attacks. Feel free to comment on or off list. Here is the text of that web page, for the sake of future generations who are required to read the mnet-devel archives as part of their education: Grid Of Trust This isn't a design document. It's more of a proposal for what could be to make sure all the attacks are really covered. Topology Nodes are distributed randomly into cells of a hypercube with d dimensionals. Each axis is broken down into g pieces such that the hypercube contains gd cells. Nodes in a cell can connect to all nodes in cells whose coordinates vary in at most one dimension. This is different than CAN where only dirrect neighbors have links. A DHT based on this type of a network should only require d hops to handle a request. The cost is of coarse a higher neihbor count. We will define x as the expected population or a cell and N as the total number of nodes. x = N/(gd) We will define m as the expected neighbor count. m = x(d*(g-1)+1) So let us visualize a small network with g=8 and d=2 which looks like a chess board. Let N=256 so x=4. Messages can move like rooks on this chess board, so requests can be handled in 2 hops. So we can caculate the neihbor count as: m = 4*(15) = 60 --todo add pretty picture Now let us consider a larger network g=10 d=6 and x=4, so N=4,000,000. Messages should be routable in 6 hops and for the niehbor count we get: m = 4*(6*9+1) = 220 This still would be acceptable for freenet like applications. When x and g are held constant m is O(log(N)) just like CAN. For large N the probability a cell is vacant is e-x. So at x=4 this chance is about 1.83%. This should be acceptable if some redundancy is used. Not that when a message has serveral dimensions to move along, the chance that there is no dirrect way becomes very low. Node Placement Nodes must be placed randomly into the network to prevent, serveral types of attacks which involve an adversary selecting the locations of the grid he would like to control. In order to do this a node is forced to pay for it's identity with a large hash cash calculation. The hash cash then determines the node's location in the grid. One space optimization, is to store all the identification in the public key. The first time user picks an N=pq. He then tries to make an e such that it's first 32 bits contain the julian date, it is relatively prime to (p-1)(q-1), and SHA-1(e,N) has the first h bits zero. We can then set h to be so high it takes a 1CPU-day to calculate the key. We then use some globaly defined salt per dimension Si, which we encript with the e,N to give us the identities location L in the grid. Li = (Si emod N) mod g Boot Strapping Boot strapping is pretty straight forward. A new node must have contact with one node in the system. It uses this node to route a message to the target cell, a node there sends its IP:Port encripted with the public key of the identity back. The node the decrypts this to get the IP out. It never has dirrect contact to any of the other nodes along the routing path. Once the new node connects to the node in its home cell, it can get all the other IPs and keys from it. It could be the case that the cell is vacant, or that one doesn't want to trust the single node from the home cell. It is easy for such a boot strap message to be routed to find a node from a cell connected to the target cell. The same protocol can be used. So one might have to repeat the process d times to get nodes from all the dimensions. Note that this type of bootstrapping will probably only have to happen once for a node. Once a strip of g*x nodes all know each other, some of them can leave and join with out having to worry too much about not being able to find anyone when they come back. DHT Functionality Similar to the way in which a node must be kept from deciding what cell it wants to serve in, we must ensure that the cells to which keys for requests and inserts are mapped can not be selected by an advesary. Based on the application key of which there may be many types a routing key is calculated
[mnet-devel] Grid Of Trust -- pre-design (fwd from amichrisde@yahoo.de)
- Forwarded message from Some Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Some Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:41:04 +0100 (CET) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [mnet-devel] Grid Of Trust -- pre-design Hey guys who ever wants to take first peek at my baby DHT/premix idea please take a peek and crtitique it. It's a bit rough around the edges and there's plenty of room for modification, but I'm pretty sure the ideas are sound. http://de.geocities.com/amichrisde/Grid_Of_Trust.html The basic idea is to force data and nodes to be randomly distributed in a grid. This provides resistance against serveral types of attacks. Feel free to comment on or off list. __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltvne f|rs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. Does SourceForge.net help you be more productive? Does it help you create better code? SHARE THE LOVE, and help us help YOU! Click Here: http://sourceforge.net/donate/ ___ mnet-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mnet-devel - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
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WITH TRUST I ASK FOR YOUR KIND RESPOUND TO HELP MY FAMILY
Attn: Dear Sir/Madam, Following the sudden death of my husband General Sani Abacha the late former head of state of Nigeria in August 1998, I have been thrown into a state of utter confusion, frustration and hopelessness by the present civilian administration, I have been subjected to physical and psychological torture by the security agents in the country. As a widow that is so traumatized,I have lost confidence with anybody withinthe country. You must have heard over the media reports and the internet on the recovery of various huge sums of money deposited by my husband in different security firms abroad, some companies willingly give up their secrets and disclosed our money confidently lodged there or many out right blackmail. In fact the total sum discovered by the Government so far is in the tune of $700. Million dollars. And they are not relenting to make me poor for life. I got your contacts through my personal research,and out of desperation decided to reach you.I will give you more information as to this regard as soon as you reply. I repose great confidence in you hence my approach to you due to security network placed on my day affairs I cannot afford to visit the embassy so that is why I decided to contact you and I hope you will not betray my confidence in you. I have deposited the sumof 40.3 milliondollars with a security firm abroad whose name is witheld for now until we open communication. I shall be grateful if you could receive this fund into your account for safe keeping. This arrangement is known to you and my son Mustapha alone, so my son will deal directly with you as security is up my whole being.I am seriously considering to settle down abroad in a friendly atmosphere like yours as soon as this fund get into your account so that I can start all over again if only you wish, but if it is impossible,just help me indiverting this fund into your account which will accrue you 30% of this fund . Please honesty is the watch word in thistransaction. I will require your telephone and fax numbers so that i can forward them to my lawyer to enable you and him to communicate immediately and he will give you more details and picture of things. In case you dont accept please do not let him out to the security as he is giving you this information in total trust and confidence. view the wed pages below for a clue as to what i am talking about.websites below for a posible clue as to what i am talking about :http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_909000/909972.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_877000/877113.stm I will greatly appreciate if you accept my proposal in good faith.Please expedite action. Sincerely yours Hajia Mariam Abacha Alternative Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NB/please contact my lawyer:MOHAMMED KALOMA ALI CO (Legal Practitioners / Notary Public) Blk 804 - Law House Building, Lagos Nigeria. Direct Tel/fax: 234-803 3435739 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22.rtf Description: Binary data
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CONFIDENTIAL PARTHNERSHIP == My name is Mr. Oluwatobi Lawrence manager, credit and foreign bills of Ecobank Plc. I am writing in respect of a foreign customer of my bank who perished in a plane crash [Korean Air Flight 801] with the whole passengers aboard on August 6, 1997. Since the demise of this our customer, I personally has watched with keen interest to see the next of kin but all has proved abortive as no one has come to claim his funds of usd.20.5 m, [twenty million five hundred thousand united states dollars] which has been with my branch for a very long time. On this note, I decided to seek for whom his name shall be used as the next of kin as no one has come up to be the next of kin. And the banking ethics here does not allow such money to stay more than six years, because money will be recalled to the bank treasury as unclaimed after this period. In view of this I had to contact you personally so that we can understand each other better. I will give you 25% of the total,am offering you this percentage so that you will not think am not given you a fair share. Upon the receipt of your response, I will send you by fax or e-mail the application, bank's fax number and the next step to take. I will notfail tobring to your notice that this business is hitch free and thatyou should not entertain any fear as all modalities for fund transfer can be finalized within five banking days, after you apply to the bank as a relation to the deceased. When you receive this letter. Kindly send me an e-mail signifying your decision including your private Tel/Fax numbers for quick communication. Respectfully submitted, Mr. Oluwatobi Lawrence Manager Credit and Foreign Bills DEPT. Ecobank Plc. NB:IMPORTANT! please i would like you to contact me through my private mail box if i do not get back to you due to internet connection in the country at:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Or better still you call me at:234-80-5507-1652
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Dear Friend I got your contact from an email directory and decided to contact you for assistance. I am the son of Jonas Savimbi the rebel leader in Angola who was short dead on the 25th of February, 2002, by the opposing Angolan Army. ... PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS WEB PAGE FOR IT SAYS ALL. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_1839000/1839252.stm Before the death of my father he had transferred the sum of $16,000,000.00 (Sixteen million dollars) through a security company in South Africa to Europe. All the legal documents for the deposit and transfer of this fund to Europe are with my mother which my father gave to her for safe keeping. After the death of my father I and my family fled to South Africa where we are currently living. And we have been trying to fly to Europe but it has been difficult for us to get visas from Africa. So we want you to help us make claims of this fund ($16m) in Europe as my family beneficiary and transfer the money to your account or any account of your choice before I and my family can get visas to fly down to your country so that we can share this money. My family have agreed to give you 10%, which would be ($1.6Million dollars) of this Money for your assistance, and 87% would be for us and the other 3% would be set aside for any expenses that we may incure during the course of this transaction. And part of our share of 87% would be invested in your country in any profitable business proposed by you. While a large part of our share will also be used to help charity organizations. We have never met, but I want to trust you and please do not let us down when this fund finally gets into your account. Please if you are interested; get to me through my email address to enable me feed you with more details and all necessary documentations. Please treat this as confidential Best regards.
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FROM:BARRISTER AKINI UZIMA ESQ. UZIMA AND ASSOCIATES ATTORNEYS/LEGALPRACTITIONER NIGERIA WE NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE. DEAR FRIEND, COMPLIMENTS OF THE SEASON. GRACE AND PEACE AND LOVE FROM THIS PART OF THE ATLANTIC TO YOU. I HOPE MY LETTER DOES NOT CAUSE YOU TOO MUCH EMBARRASSMENT AS I WRITE TO YOU IN GOOD FAITH BASED ON THE CONTACT ADDRESS GIVEN TO ME BY A FRIEND WHO WORKS AT THE NIGERIAN EMBASSY IN YOUR COUNTRY. PLEASE EXCUSE MY INTRUSION INTO YOUR PRIVATE LIFE. I AM BARRISTER AKINI UZIMA ESQ. I REPRESENT MOHAMMED ABACHA, SON OF THE LATE GEN.SANI ABACHA, WHO WAS THE FORMER MILITARY HEAD OF STATE IN NIGERIA. HE DIED IN 1998. SINCE HIS DEATH, THE FAMILY HAS BEEN LOSING A LOT OF MONEY DUE TO VINDICTIVE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WHO ARE BENT ON DEALING WITH THE FAMILY. BASED ON THIS THEREFORE, THE FAMILY HAS ASKED ME TO SEEK FOR A FOREIGN PARTNER WHO CAN WORK WITH US AS TO MOVE OUT THE TOTAL SUM OF US$75,000,000.00 ( SEVENTY FIVE MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS ), PRESENTLY IN THEIR POSSESSION. THIS MONEY WAS OF COURSE, ACQUIRED BY THE LATE PRESIDENT AND IS NOW KEPT SECRETLY BY THE FAMILY. THE SWISS GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY FROZEN ALL THE ACCOUNTS OF THE FAMILY IN SWITZERLAND, AND SOME OTHER COUNTRIES WOULD SOON FOLLOW TO DO THE SAME. THIS BID BY SOME GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TO DEAL WITH THIS FAMILY HAS MADE IT NECESSARY THAT WE SEEK YOUR ASSISITANCE IN RECEIVING THIS MONEY AND IN INVESTING IT ON BEHALF OFTHE FAMILY. THIS MUST BE A JOINT VENTURE TRANSACTION AND WE MUST ALL WORK TOGETHER. SINCE THIS MONEY IS STILL CASH, EXTRA SECURITY MEASURES HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO PROTECT IT FROM THEFT OR SEIZURE, PENDING WHEN AGREEMENT IS REACHED ON WHEN AND HOW TO MOVE IT INTO ANY OF YOUR NOMINATED BANK ACCOUNTS. I HAVE PERSONALLY WORKED OUT ALL MODALITIES FOR THE PEACEFUL CONCLUSION OF THIS TRANSACTION. THE TRANSACTION DEFINITELY WOULD BE HANDLED IN PHASES AND THE FIRST PHASE WILL INVOLVE THE MOVING OF US$25,000,000.00( TWENTY FIVE MILLION UNITEDSTATES DOLLARS ). MY CLIENTS ARE WILLING TO GIVE YOU A REASONABLE PERCENTAGE OF THIS MONEY AS SOON AS THE TRANSACTIONIS CONCLUDED. I WILL, HOWEVER, BASED ON THE GROUNDS THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND ALSO ALL CONTENTIOUS ISSUES DISCUSSED BEFORE THE COMMENCEMENT OF THIS TRANSACTION. YOU MAY ALSO DISCUSS YOUR PERCENTAGE BEFORE WE START TO WORK. AS SOON AS I HEAR FROM YOU, I WILL GIVE YOU ALL NECESSARY DETAILS AS TO HOW WE INTEND TO CARRY OUT THE WHOLE TRANSACTION. PLEASE, DO NOT ENTERTAIN ANY FEARS,AS ALL NECESSARY MODALITIES ARE IN PLACE, AND I ASSURE YOU OF ALL SUCCESS AND SAFETY IN THIS TRANSACTION. PLEASE, THIS TRANSACTION REQUIRES ABSOLUTE CONFIDENTIALITY AND YOU WOULD BE EXPECTED TO TREAT IT AS SUCH UNTIL THE FUNDS ARE MOVED OUT OF THIS COUNTRY. PLEASE, YOU WILL ALSO IGNORE THIS LETTER AND RESPECT OUR TRUST IN YOU BY NOT EXPOSING THIS TRANSACTION, EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED.LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. THANK YOU. TRULY YOURS, BARRISTER AKINI UZIMA ESQ. Charle con sus amigos online usando CHAT 123 http://www.123.com/sp/chat/section.php?id_section=329
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FROM:BARRISTER AKINI UZIMA ESQ. UZIMA AND ASSOCIATES ATTORNEYS/LEGALPRACTITIONER NIGERIA WE NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE. DEAR FRIEND, COMPLIMENTS OF THE SEASON. GRACE AND PEACE AND LOVE FROM THIS PART OF THE ATLANTIC TO YOU. I HOPE MY LETTER DOES NOT CAUSE YOU TOO MUCH EMBARRASSMENT AS I WRITE TO YOU IN GOOD FAITH BASED ON THE CONTACT ADDRESS GIVEN TO ME BY A FRIEND WHO WORKS AT THE NIGERIAN EMBASSY IN YOUR COUNTRY. PLEASE EXCUSE MY INTRUSION INTO YOUR PRIVATE LIFE. I AM BARRISTER AKINI UZIMA ESQ. I REPRESENT MOHAMMED ABACHA, SON OF THE LATE GEN.SANI ABACHA, WHO WAS THE FORMER MILITARY HEAD OF STATE IN NIGERIA. HE DIED IN 1998. SINCE HIS DEATH, THE FAMILY HAS BEEN LOSING A LOT OF MONEY DUE TO VINDICTIVE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WHO ARE BENT ON DEALING WITH THE FAMILY. BASED ON THIS THEREFORE, THE FAMILY HAS ASKED ME TO SEEK FOR A FOREIGN PARTNER WHO CAN WORK WITH US AS TO MOVE OUT THE TOTAL SUM OF US$75,000,000.00 ( SEVENTY FIVE MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS ), PRESENTLY IN THEIR POSSESSION. THIS MONEY WAS OF COURSE, ACQUIRED BY THE LATE PRESIDENT AND IS NOW KEPT SECRETLY BY THE FAMILY. THE SWISS GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY FROZEN ALL THE ACCOUNTS OF THE FAMILY IN SWITZERLAND, AND SOME OTHER COUNTRIES WOULD SOON FOLLOW TO DO THE SAME. THIS BID BY SOME GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TO DEAL WITH THIS FAMILY HAS MADE IT NECESSARY THAT WE SEEK YOUR ASSISITANCE IN RECEIVING THIS MONEY AND IN INVESTING IT ON BEHALF OFTHE FAMILY. THIS MUST BE A JOINT VENTURE TRANSACTION AND WE MUST ALL WORK TOGETHER. SINCE THIS MONEY IS STILL CASH, EXTRA SECURITY MEASURES HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO PROTECT IT FROM THEFT OR SEIZURE, PENDING WHEN AGREEMENT IS REACHED ON WHEN AND HOW TO MOVE IT INTO ANY OF YOUR NOMINATED BANK ACCOUNTS. I HAVE PERSONALLY WORKED OUT ALL MODALITIES FOR THE PEACEFUL CONCLUSION OF THIS TRANSACTION. THE TRANSACTION DEFINITELY WOULD BE HANDLED IN PHASES AND THE FIRST PHASE WILL INVOLVE THE MOVING OF US$25,000,000.00( TWENTY FIVE MILLION UNITEDSTATES DOLLARS ). MY CLIENTS ARE WILLING TO GIVE YOU A REASONABLE PERCENTAGE OF THIS MONEY AS SOON AS THE TRANSACTIONIS CONCLUDED. I WILL, HOWEVER, BASED ON THE GROUNDS THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND ALSO ALL CONTENTIOUS ISSUES DISCUSSED BEFORE THE COMMENCEMENT OF THIS TRANSACTION. YOU MAY ALSO DISCUSS YOUR PERCENTAGE BEFORE WE START TO WORK. AS SOON AS I HEAR FROM YOU, I WILL GIVE YOU ALL NECESSARY DETAILS AS TO HOW WE INTEND TO CARRY OUT THE WHOLE TRANSACTION. PLEASE, DO NOT ENTERTAIN ANY FEARS,AS ALL NECESSARY MODALITIES ARE IN PLACE, AND I ASSURE YOU OF ALL SUCCESS AND SAFETY IN THIS TRANSACTION. PLEASE, THIS TRANSACTION REQUIRES ABSOLUTE CONFIDENTIALITY AND YOU WOULD BE EXPECTED TO TREAT IT AS SUCH UNTIL THE FUNDS ARE MOVED OUT OF THIS COUNTRY. PLEASE, YOU WILL ALSO IGNORE THIS LETTER AND RESPECT OUR TRUST IN YOU BY NOT EXPOSING THIS TRANSACTION, EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED.LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. THANK YOU. TRULY YOURS, BARRISTER AKINI UZIMA ESQ. Charle con sus amigos online usando CHAT 123 http://www.123.com/sp/chat/section.php?id_section=329
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FROM:BARRISTER AKINI UZIMA ESQ. UZIMA AND ASSOCIATES ATTORNEYS/LEGALPRACTITIONER NIGERIA WE NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE. DEAR FRIEND, COMPLIMENTS OF THE SEASON. GRACE AND PEACE AND LOVE FROM THIS PART OF THE ATLANTIC TO YOU. I HOPE MY LETTER DOES NOT CAUSE YOU TOO MUCH EMBARRASSMENT AS I WRITE TO YOU IN GOOD FAITH BASED ON THE CONTACT ADDRESS GIVEN TO ME BY A FRIEND WHO WORKS AT THE NIGERIAN EMBASSY IN YOUR COUNTRY. PLEASE EXCUSE MY INTRUSION INTO YOUR PRIVATE LIFE. I AM BARRISTER AKINI UZIMA ESQ. I REPRESENT MOHAMMED ABACHA, SON OF THE LATE GEN.SANI ABACHA, WHO WAS THE FORMER MILITARY HEAD OF STATE IN NIGERIA. HE DIED IN 1998. SINCE HIS DEATH, THE FAMILY HAS BEEN LOSING A LOT OF MONEY DUE TO VINDICTIVE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WHO ARE BENT ON DEALING WITH THE FAMILY. BASED ON THIS THEREFORE, THE FAMILY HAS ASKED ME TO SEEK FOR A FOREIGN PARTNER WHO CAN WORK WITH US AS TO MOVE OUT THE TOTAL SUM OF US$75,000,000.00 ( SEVENTY FIVE MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS ), PRESENTLY IN THEIR POSSESSION. THIS MONEY WAS OF COURSE, ACQUIRED BY THE LATE PRESIDENT AND IS NOW KEPT SECRETLY BY THE FAMILY. THE SWISS GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY FROZEN ALL THE ACCOUNTS OF THE FAMILY IN SWITZERLAND, AND SOME OTHER COUNTRIES WOULD SOON FOLLOW TO DO THE SAME. THIS BID BY SOME GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TO DEAL WITH THIS FAMILY HAS MADE IT NECESSARY THAT WE SEEK YOUR ASSISITANCE IN RECEIVING THIS MONEY AND IN INVESTING IT ON BEHALF OFTHE FAMILY. THIS MUST BE A JOINT VENTURE TRANSACTION AND WE MUST ALL WORK TOGETHER. SINCE THIS MONEY IS STILL CASH, EXTRA SECURITY MEASURES HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO PROTECT IT FROM THEFT OR SEIZURE, PENDING WHEN AGREEMENT IS REACHED ON WHEN AND HOW TO MOVE IT INTO ANY OF YOUR NOMINATED BANK ACCOUNTS. I HAVE PERSONALLY WORKED OUT ALL MODALITIES FOR THE PEACEFUL CONCLUSION OF THIS TRANSACTION. THE TRANSACTION DEFINITELY WOULD BE HANDLED IN PHASES AND THE FIRST PHASE WILL INVOLVE THE MOVING OF US$25,000,000.00( TWENTY FIVE MILLION UNITEDSTATES DOLLARS ). MY CLIENTS ARE WILLING TO GIVE YOU A REASONABLE PERCENTAGE OF THIS MONEY AS SOON AS THE TRANSACTIONIS CONCLUDED. I WILL, HOWEVER, BASED ON THE GROUNDS THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND ALSO ALL CONTENTIOUS ISSUES DISCUSSED BEFORE THE COMMENCEMENT OF THIS TRANSACTION. YOU MAY ALSO DISCUSS YOUR PERCENTAGE BEFORE WE START TO WORK. AS SOON AS I HEAR FROM YOU, I WILL GIVE YOU ALL NECESSARY DETAILS AS TO HOW WE INTEND TO CARRY OUT THE WHOLE TRANSACTION. PLEASE, DO NOT ENTERTAIN ANY FEARS,AS ALL NECESSARY MODALITIES ARE IN PLACE, AND I ASSURE YOU OF ALL SUCCESS AND SAFETY IN THIS TRANSACTION. PLEASE, THIS TRANSACTION REQUIRES ABSOLUTE CONFIDENTIALITY AND YOU WOULD BE EXPECTED TO TREAT IT AS SUCH UNTIL THE FUNDS ARE MOVED OUT OF THIS COUNTRY. PLEASE, YOU WILL ALSO IGNORE THIS LETTER AND RESPECT OUR TRUST IN YOU BY NOT EXPOSING THIS TRANSACTION, EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED.LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. THANK YOU. TRULY YOURS, BARRISTER AKINI UZIMA ESQ. Charle con sus amigos online usando CHAT 123 http://www.123.com/sp/chat/section.php?id_section=329
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From:RICHARD CARLOS The Director, Audit and accounts unit Foreign Remittance Dept., Ecobank . Lome-Togo West Africa PRIVATE EMAIL([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I am directed to intimate you with full details of informations about my desire to invest on selected investments in your country. Your contact was made available to me through the GSE 2003 serie February edition and I took up other names and contacts for spiritual confirmation of whom I am to trust in this transaction, and you came out of the screening positive. It is therefore my view to introduce the business for your full understanding the nature of participation with your role. However, I do also strongly hold that should this project not be convenient for you at this point in time, the informations herein and identity should be treated strictly private. With due honour and respect,I am RICHARD CARLOS ,the Director incharge of Audit and accounts unit,Foreign Remittance Dept.of Ecobank Lome-Togo. I decided to contact you for this beneficial and a 100% risk free business transaction. During our Audit and investigation in this bank,my department came across the sum of (US$15,100,000,00)fiftheen million one hundred thousand united States Dollars only belonging to a japanese international business man who died along his next of Kin in the 5thNovember 1997 plane crash in Abidjan. Before my discovery to this development,there was no trace of claim from any person as the funds remains dormant in his account in this bank,although I keep this information secret within my jurisdiction to enable us put claims and transfer the said amount through a trustworthy friend oversea's whom we shall present to the bank as the next of Kin to the deceased for a profitable and successful deal. I am seeking your unwavering assistance that the amount of US$15.1M can be speedily processed and fully remitted into your nominated bank account.On successful remittance of the fund into your account, you will be compensated with 25% of the amount for your assistance and services.Meanwhile,all the arrangment to put claims as the bonafide NEXT-OF-KIN to the deceased,to get the required approvals and transfer of this money to a foreign account has been put in place.The directives and the needed information shall be relayed to you as soon as you indicate your interest and willingness to benefit yourself from this great business oppurtunity. Infact I could have done this deal alone but because we civil servant are not legally allowed to operate foreign account and It would eventually raise eyebrows on my side during the time of transfer because I am staffs of the bank. These are the actual reasons it requires a second fellow who will forward claims by our support as the bonafide NEXT-OF-KIN Togolaise court affidavit to the bank and also present a foreign bank account where the money on his/her request be transfered into. So far, much have been said and due to my sensitive position, but whereby cordial relationship is established,smooth operations commences, you will be furnished with details of all you deserve to know. I am at your disposition to entertain any question from you with respect to this transaction, so contact me immediately through my e:mail([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for further information on the requirements and procedure for this transaction. Please, treat with the strictest confidentiality and utmost urgency. Your Sincerely. RICHARD CARLOS N/B, Please reply me to my private email box for total security PRIVATE EMAIL([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Charle con sus amigos online usando CHAT 123 http://www.123.com/sp/chat/section.php?id_section=329
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NIGERIAN PORTS AUTHORITY GATEWAY TO NATIONS ECONOMY TINCAN ISLAND PORT APAPA LAGOS--NIGERIA Sir, URGENT CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS PROPOSAL Although this proposal might come to you as a surprise, since it is from someone you do not know or have seen before, but based on recommendations I gathered from a very reliable source here in Nigeria. I am the Director fund co-ordinator of the finance contract department of Nigeria Ports Authority.The crux of this letter is that the finance/contract department of the NPA deliberately over-inflated the contract value of various contract awarded in the course of disbursement. My office was able to tract down the sum of US$25M (Twenty Five Million US Dollars) as the over invoiced sum. This money is now floating in the NPA domiciliary account with the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN). My colleagues and I now want to quickly transfer this fund to a safe nominated foreign account for possible investment abroad. We are not allowed as a matter of government policy to operate any foreign account because of our status as civil/public servant. Hence the need to solicit for your full banking details to enable us transfer this money into your account. Upon your acceptance of this proposal, we have also agreed on a sharing ratio: 1. 30% for you as the account owner. 2. 60% for I and my colleagues. 3. 10% will be sed aside to defray all incidental expenses both locally and internationally during the course of this transaction. Furthermore, we shall be coming over to your country when the money is finally in your account and we shall be relying on your advise as regards to investment of our share. Be informed that this business is genuine and 100% safe considering the high-powered government officials involved. Send by fax the following information: 1. Your company name and address. 2. Bank name, address and account number. 3. Your telephone and fax number for effective communication. This is to affect the swift transfer of the fund into your account in less than seven (7) working days. Expecting your call immediately while looking forward to a healthy business relationship with you. Sincerely yours, DR.Bello Tanko (ACCOUNTS CORDINATOR NPA) __ Get Paid... With Your Free Email at http://www.zwallet.com/index.html?user=bello100
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My Dear Friend Greetings to you and all members of your family My proposal to you will be very surprising, as we have not had any Personal contact before. However, I sincerely seek your confidence in this Transaction,which I propose to you as a person of transparency,honesty and high calibre.Let me first start by introducing myself properly to you. My name is Richard Carlos a Personal Assistant to President Charles Taylor,the President of Republic of Liberia. I got your email address from network directory I apologize if I have infringed on your privacy.You may know that My Uncle President Charles Taylor is Presently facing serious, Opposition from the LURDS Army (Liberia United for the Restorationof Democracy), The security and safety of my uncle is not guaranteed following serious support given to the rebels. My Uncle is seriously scared of this development, he does not want to suffer the experience of our Former president, Sergeant Samuel Doe who died in the hands of Price Yomi Johnson Who brutally massacred Samuel Doe, this was as a result of support the rebel had from foreign countries at that time.The American government has given my uncle president Charles Taylor warning that he should vacate the office as the president Or face serious military actions that would not be in his Interest. Based on these developments, the various foreign banks Account of my Uncleis already being investigated and that of Switzerland has already been frozen. In view of this very Unpleasant development the sum of $50 Million dollar has been Secretly moved to a private security vault for safe keeping and Presently he is in Political asylum in Nigeria, he has confided in me With this task of seeking a very reliable and honest person that Will receive this Fund into his/her account for the future Survival of him and his family since he cannot presently deposit Or transfer the fund on his name or that of his family members Name due to the present situation in our country.He may likely Face war -crime charges as declared by the United Nations in Respect of his alleged involvement in civil war in Sierra-Leone. This money arose from various compensation he received from the Companies that were involved in the sale of rubber, timber and Mining sale of diamonds. He has instructed me that My Uncle Charles Taylor to negotiates with whomeever agreed to assist us on percentage, as the Principal owner of the Fund Part of his share will be invested in your country in any venture with your advice. If this proposalis Okay by you, please as a matter of urgency contact me on this private email address:[EMAIL PROTECTED] send Comprehensive details of the transaction will be unfolded to you As soon as I receive your urgent response. Awaiting your kind gesture to assist us in this regard. Sincerely Richard Carlos JNR. PLEASE FOR SECURITY REPLY ME TO([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From The Desk Of,
Dr Harry Obum {Deputy Secretary Nigeria Football Association}Please Reply To My
Private And Security Email Address:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Sir,
I am DR HARRY OBUM , Deputy secretary to the Nigerian Football Association, parent
body of the World Youths
Championship, Nigeria 99'Local Organizing Committee, an affiliate of Federation of
International Football Association (FIFA)..
In the course of our preparation to host the World Youth Soccer Championship Tagged
(Nigiexcl;¦99) early last four years, huge sum of money running into millions of
United States Dollars was budgeted by the then Military Government for the successful
organization of this competition. In the same vein, FIFA via its
President, Mr. Joseph (SEPP)Blatter, made millions of dollars available for the same
project, not to talk of Corporate Organizations and Football loving individuals who
made huge donations.
However, in my capacity as the deputy secretary, toboth the Local Organizing Committee
(LOC), and the Nigerian Football Association(NFA), I,along with two of my colleagues
in sensitive positions were able to over-invoice most contracts, which were awarded
for the construction and the refurbishing of the 8 stadia
used for the competition. The contractors who handled these projects have been
paid-off.
It is pertinent to note that a total sum of thirty-two million United States
Dollars(US$32,000,000.00) was realized as over-invoice after the successful completion
of the project.
This over-invoiced sum is lying in my organization's(NFA) suspense account with the
Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN), ready for transfer into the beneficiarys account
oversea, waiting for the appropriate opportunity to do so.
In this years (2003) budget speech, the new Civilian President has ordered that all
foreign contractors debts should be paid in order to boost more Foreign investors into
Nigeria.
On this note, I have been unanimously mandated by my two colleagues to seek an honest
and trustworthy Foreigner who will assist in ensuring the successful transfer of the
above sum into a
personal/company account since the Nigerian code of
conduct does not allow us (Civil servants) to operate foreign accounts.
It is pertinent also to let you know that 30% of the total fund will be for you, while
10% will be used to settle any expenses that might be incurred by both parties and the
remaining 60% will be for us (my colleagues and I) to be invested in your country.
We have chosen you /your company to benefit with us in this transaction due to the
respect your country commands here.
You might be surprised and curious of an offer like this, be rest
assured that the modalities andlogistics towards the
successful transfer of this fund has been worked out. All we require
from you is your co-operation. This transaction is risk free.
We kindly request that you accord it the highest level of secrecy it deserves. Your
swift response will be highly appreciated.
Best regards,
DR HARRY OBUM
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From The Desk Of,
Dr Chika Chuma{Deputy Secretary Nigeria Football Association}Please Reply
To My Private And Security Email Address:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Sir,
I am DR CHIKA CHUMA , Deputy secretary to the Nigerian Football
Association, parent body of the World Youths
Championship, Nigeria 99'Local Organizing Committee, an affiliate of
Federation of International Football Association (FIFA)..
In the course of our preparation to host the World Youth Soccer
Championship Tagged (Nigiexcl;¦99) early last four years, huge sum of
money running into millions of United States Dollars was budgeted by the
then Military Government for the successful organization of this
competition. In the same vein, FIFA via its
President, Mr. Joseph (SEPP)Blatter, made millions of dollars available
for the same project, not to talk of Corporate Organizations and Football
loving individuals who made huge donations.
However, in my capacity as the deputy secretary, toboth the Local
Organizing Committee (LOC), and the Nigerian Football Association(NFA),
I,along with two of my colleagues in sensitive positions were able to
over-invoice most contracts, which were awarded for the construction and
the refurbishing of the 8 stadia
used for the competition. The contractors who handled these projects have
been paid-off.
It is pertinent to note that a total sum of thirty-two million United
States Dollars(US$32,000,000.00) was realized as over-invoice after the
successful completion of the project.
This over-invoiced sum is lying in my organization's(NFA) suspense account
with the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN), ready for transfer into the
beneficiarys account oversea, waiting for the appropriate opportunity to
do so.
In this years (2003) budget speech, the new Civilian President has ordered
that all foreign contractors debts should be paid in order to boost more
Foreign investors into Nigeria.
On this note, I have been unanimously mandated by my two colleagues to
seek an honest and trustworthy Foreigner who will assist in ensuring the
successful transfer of the above sum into a
personal/company account since the Nigerian code of
conduct does not allow us (Civil servants) to operate foreign accounts.
It is pertinent also to let you know that 30% of the total fund will be
for you, while 10% will be used to settle any expenses that might be
incurred by both parties and the remaining 60% will be for us (my
colleagues and I) to be invested in your country.
We have chosen you /your company to benefit with us in this transaction
due to the respect your country commands here.
You might be surprised and curious of an offer like this, be rest
assured that the modalities andlogistics towards the
successful transfer of this fund has been worked out. All we require
from you is your co-operation. This transaction is risk free.
We kindly request that you accord it the highest level of secrecy it
deserves. Your swift response will be highly appreciated.
Best regards,
DR CHIKA CHUMA
NB:PLEASE REPLY TO MY DIRECT AND PRIVATE EMAIL
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KARACHI - The circumstances surrounding the arrest in Pakistan and handing over to US authorities of a man said to be Khalid Shaikh Mohammad, a reportedly leading member of al-Qaeda, raise a number of important issues, not the least of which is the credibility of the US in its war against terror. Khalid himself is shrouded in mystery. He was reported to have been killed in Karachi in a bloody shootout with Pakistani security forces on September 11, 2002 (See A chilling inheritance of terror) and there is dispute over whether or not he was one of the key planners of the September 11 attacks on the US a year earlier. There is even doubt over Khalid's nationality. Some say he is Pakistani, others that he is a Kuwaiti. Certainly, though, he does appear to be of Pakistani origin, probably Baloch, and raised in Kuwait. He is thought to have been in Pakistan for about two-and-a-half years, well before September 11, 2001. Pakistani and US intelligence officials were alerted to his presence in the country when he gave an interview to the Qatar-based al-Jazeera television station shortly before the first anniversary of September 11. On the strength of intercepted communications through ordinary mobile phones as well as satellite telephones, the net closed on Khalid. Dead or alive? According to an official of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Khalid was followed from somewhere in the eastern district of Karachi to the Defense Housing Authority (Phase II, commercial area), situated in the southern part of the city near Clifton beach. There he entered a two-storey building, which was then surrounded by ISI and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) officials. They were joined by hundreds of police vehicles and Pakistan Rangers. The total number of law enforcement agents at that time was 1,000 or more. The following is a reconstruction of events that were widely reported in the Pakistani print and electronic media, and information gathered from intelligence sources. The building stands alone, with no access to the ones next door. Initially, a few plainclothed officials (including a major of the ISI and a civilian inspector) entered the building and urged the people inside to evacuate. A grenade was then thrown, which injured the major and the inspector, forcing them to retreat. Fresh troops then entered the building, and a fierce gun battle broke out. At this point, according to an eyewitness, a car carrying a few white people was seen speeding away from the scene. Tear gas was then fired into the building, and the shooting subsided. Pakistan Rangers along with many plainclothed officials and police surged into the building and fired at two men in one of the flats, who were standing with their hands up. One of these turned out to be Ramzi Binalshibh, who had wanted to join the 19 hijackers for the attacks on the US but who had been unable to get a US visa. He was taken into custody. Nine other suspected terrorists were captured, and two were killed. A woman FBI official examined the bodies, and, as reported by an ISI official, suddenly exclaimed, You have killed Khalid Shaikh Mohammad. The woman then instructed that a finger be cut off the body, which she took away, presumably for a DNA test. Khalid's wife and child were taken away to an ISI safe house in the vicinity where they were interrogated by the FBI, and it is said that the woman identified one of the bodies as Khalid. Several weeks after this incident, the then interior minister, Moinuddin Haider, stated in the country's largest Urdu-language newspaper that Khalid's widow had been handed over to Egyptian authorities. Apparently, neither of the bodies was buried, a departure from usual custom, and they were kept in a private mortuary operated by the Edhi Home, a charity organization. After several weeks, some women, said to be widows and mothers of those killed in Kashmir and Afghanistan, launched a protest in front of the mortuary for the bodies to be handed over. Again, according to Pakistan print media reports, these protest turned into big demonstrations which forced the authorities to issue a statement that the bodies had been buried in a local, unidentified, graveyard. ISI officials close to the case at this time were convinced, as were the FBI, that Khalid had been killed. But they chose not to disclose the death as they wanted other al-Qaeda members to attempt to remain in contact with him through the recovered satellite telephones, mobile phones and laptop computers. Sources who had been involved in the shootout and subsequent events were taken off all al-Qaeda operations, and then the FBI stopped using the ISI offices in Karachi and moved into a separate building where one ISI colonel and a major were deployed for coordination purposes only. After this, reports began to emerge that the FBI agents were claiming that they had intercepted calls from Khalid himself,
Trust-worthy
Attn my friend,
I J.P.Migan, have decided to contact you on a business
transaction that will be very beneficial to both of us at the end of the
transaction. I am a branch director in a bank, Benin Republic. On June 6
1997, an American oil consultant/contractor, Mr. LAMBERT HADDAD made a
numbered time (Fixed) deposited for twelve calendar months, valued at TEN
Million United States Dollars in my branch. Upon maturity, I sent a
routine notification to his forwarding address but got no reply.
And after a month, we sent a reminder and finally we discovered from
his contract employers, An Oil Petroleum Corporation company that Mr.
LAMBERT HADDAD died from an automobile accident.
On further investigation, we found out that he did not leave a WILL and
all attempts to trace his next of kin were fruitless. I therefore made
further investigation and discovered that Mr. LAMBERT HADDAD did not
declare any next of kin in all his official documents, including his Bank
Deposit paperwork.
This sum of TEN Million United States Dollars is still sitting in the
Bank and the interest is being rolled over with the principal sum at the
end of each year. No one has came forward to claim it. And according to
the Benin Republic Law, at the expiration of 6{Six} years, the money
will revert to the ownership of the Benin Republic Government if nobody
applies to claim the funds.
Consequently, my proposal is that I will like you as a foreigner to
stand in as the next of kin to Mr. LAMBERT HADDAD so that the fruits of
this old man's labor will not get into the hands of some corrupt
government officials.
This is simple; (1) I will like you to provide me immediately with your
full names and address so that the I will prepare the necessary
documents and affidavits, which will put you in place as the next of kin. (2)
A bank account in any part of the world, which you provide, will then
facilitate the transfer of this money to you as the beneficiary/next of
kin of Mr. LAMBERT HADDAD . The money will be paid into your account
for us to share in the ratio of 60% for me and 40% for you.
There is no risk at all as all the paperwork for this transaction will
be done and my position as the Branch Manager guarantees the
successful execution of this transaction. If you are interested, please reply
immediately via the private email address. Upon your response, I shall
then provide you with more details and relevant documents that will help
you understand. Please observe utmost confidentiality, and be rest
assured that this transaction would be most profitable for both of us
because I shall require your assistance to invest my share in your country.
Awaiting your urgent reply .
Thanks and regards,
Mr Jean Paul Migan.
Tel;00229601483.
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In Oil we trust.
US. Promises to Hold Iraqi Oil 'In Trust' Wed Jan 22,12:34 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Secretary of State Colin Powell promised that a U.S. military occupation would hold Iraq's oilfields in trust for the Iraqi people. In an interview with U.S. newspapers on Tuesday, released by the State Department on Wednesday, Powell said the Bush administration was studying different models for managing the Iraqi oil industry if the United States invades. If we are the occupying power, it will be held for the benefit of the Iraqi people and it will be operated for the benefit of the Iraqi people, he said. How will we operate it? How best to do that? We are studying different models. But the one thing I can assure you of is that it will be held in trust for the Iraqi people, to benefit the Iraqi people. That is a legal obligation that the occupying power will have, he added. Powell said the U.S. military would not want to run Iraq for long after a possible invasion but he declined to speculate how long U.S. troops would stay in the country. There is no desire for the United States armed forces to remain in charge or to run a country for any length of time beyond that which is necessary to make sure that there is an appropriate form of government to take over from the initial military occupation, he said. (Reporting by Jonathan Wright.) http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/nm/20030122/ts_nm/iraq_oil_powell_dc_3
TRUST/FAVOUR
DEAR FRIEND. I AM MRS. MARIAM SESE-SEKO WIDOW OF LATE PRESIDENT MOBUTU SESE-SEKO OF ZAIRE? NOW KNOWN AS DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO(DRC).I AM MOVED TO WRITE YOU THIS LETTER,THIS WAS IN CONFIDENCE CONSIDERING MY PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCE AND SITUATION.I ESCAPED ALONG WITH MY HUSBAND AND TWO OF OUR SONS TIMOTHY AND BASHER OUT OF DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO (DRC) TO ABIDJAN,COTE D'IVOIRE WHERE MY FAMILY AND I SETTLED, WHILE WE LATER MOVED TO SETTLED IN MORROCO WHERE MY HUSBANDLATER DIED OF CANCER DISEASE. HOWEVER DUE TO THIS SITUATION WE DECIDED TO CHANGED MOST OF MY HUSBAND'S BILLIONS OF DOLLARS DEPOSITED IN SWISS BANK AND OTHERCOUNTRIES INTO OTHER FORMS OF MONEY CODED FOR SAFE PURPOSE BECAUSE THE NEW HEAD OF STATE OF (DR) MR LAURENT KABILA HAS MADEARRANGEMENT WITH THE SWISS GOVERNMENT AND OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES TO FREEZE ALL MY LATE HUSBAND'STREASURES DEPOSITED IN SOME EUROPEAN COUNTRIES. HENCE MY CHILDREN AND I DECIDED LAYING LOW IN AFRICA TO STUDYTHE SITUATION TILL WHEN THINGS GETS BETTER, LIKE NOW THAT PRESIDENT KABILA IS DEAD AND THE SON TAKING OVER(JOSEPH KABILA).ONE OF MYLATE HUSBAND'S CHATEAUX IN SOUTHERN FRANCE WAS CONFISCATED BY THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT, AND AS SUCH I HAD TO CHANGE MY IDENTITY SOTHAT MY INVESTMENT WILL NOT BE TRACED AND CONFISCATED. I HAVE DEPOSITED THE SUM OF TWENTY FIVE MLLION UNITED STATE DOLLARS(US$25,000,000,00.) WITH A SECURITY COMPANY ,FOR SAFEKEEPING. THE FUNDS ARE SECURITY CODED TO PREVENT THEM FROM KNOWING THE CONTENT. WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO IS TO INDICATE YOUR INTEREST THAT YOU WILL ASSISTUS BY RECEIVING THE MONEY ON OUR BEHALF IN EUROPE. ACKNOWLEDGE THIS MESSAGE, SO THAT I CAN INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR FAMILY ATTORNEY WHO IS PRESENTLY IN LONDON WAITING FOR MYINSTRUCTIONS AND HE HAS KNOWS ALL MODALITIES FOR THE CLAIM OF THE SAID FUNDS. I WANT YOU TO ASSIST IN INVESTING THIS MONEY, BUT I WILL NOTWANT MY IDENTITY REVEALED.I WILL ALSO WANT TO BUY PROPERTIES AND STOCK IN MULTI-NATIONAL COMPANIES AND TO ENGAGE IN OTHER SAFE AND NON-SPECULATIVE INVESTMENTS.MAY I AT THIS POINT EMPHASISE THE HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENTIALITY, WHICH THIS BUSINESS DEMANDS, AND HOPE YOU WILL NOT BETRAY THE TRUST ANDCONFIDENCE, WHICH I REPOSE IN YOU.IN CONCLUSION,IF YOU WANT TO ASSIST US ,OUR ATTORNEY SHALL PUT YOU IN THE PICTURE OF THE BUSINESS,TELL YOU WHERE THE FUNDS ARE CURRENTLY BEING MAINTAINED AND ALSO DISCUSS OTHER MODALITIES INCLUDING REMUNERATION FOR YOUR SERVICES.FOR THIS REASON KINDLY FURNISH US YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION, THAT IS YOUR PERSONAL TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBER FOR CONFIDENTIAL PURPOSE ANDACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF THIS MAIL USING THE ABOVE EMAIL ADDRESS. BEST REGARDS, MRS M. SESE SEKO
WITH TRUST
ATTN: PRESIDENT/CEO DEAR FRIEND, I AM MRS. SESE-SEKO WIDOW OF LATE PRESIDENT MOBUTU SESE-SEKO OF ZAIRE? NOW KNOWN AS DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO (DRC). I AM MOVED TO WRITE YOU THIS LETTER, THIS WAS IN CONFIDENCE CONSIDERING MY PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCE AND SITUATION. I ESCAPED ALONG WITH MY HUSBAND AND TWO OF OUR SONS JOHNSON AND BASHER OUT OF DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO (DRC) TO ABIDJAN, COTE DIVOIRE WHERE MY FAMILY AND I SETTLED, WHILE WE LATER MOVED TO SETTLED IN MORROCO WHERE MY HUSBAND LATER DIED OF CANCER DISEASE. HOWEVER DUE TO THIS SITUATION WE DECIDED TO CHANGED MOST OF MY HUSBAND'S BILLIONS OF DOLLARS DEPOSITED IN SWISS BANK AND OTHER COUNTRIES INTO OTHER FORMS OF MONEY CODED FOR SAFE PURPOSE BECAUSE THE NEW HEAD OF STATE OF (DR) MR LAURENT KABILA HAS MADE ARRANGEMENT WITH THE SWISS GOVERNMENT AND OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES TO FREEZE ALL MY LATE HUSBAND'S TREASURES DEPOSITED IN SOME EUROPEAN COUNTRIES. HENCE MY CHILDREN AND I DECIDED LAYING LOW IN AFRICA TO STUDY THE SITUATION TILL WHEN THINGS GETS BETTER, LIKE NOW THAT PRESIDENT KABILA IS DEAD AND THE SON TAKING OVER (JOSEPH KABILA). ONE OF MY LATE HUSBAND'S CHATEAUX IN SOUTHERN FRANCE WAS CONFISCATED BY THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT, AND AS SUCH I HAD TO CHANGE MY IDENTITY SO THAT MY INVESTMENT WILL NOT BE TRACED AND CONFISCATED. I HAVE DEPOSITED THE SUM THIRTY MILLION UNITED STATE DOLLARS(US$30,000,000,00.) WITH A SECURITY COMPANY , FOR SAFEKEEPING. THE FUNDS ARE SECURITY CODED TO PREVENT THEM FROM KNOWING THE CONTENT. WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO IS TO INDICATE YOUR INTEREST THAT YOU WILL ASSIST US BY RECEIVING THE MONEY ON OUR BEHALF.ACKNOWLEDGE THIS MESSAGE, SO THAT I CAN INTRODUCE YOU TO MY SON (JOHNSON) WHO HAS THE OUT MODALITIES FOR THE CLAIM OF THE SAID FUNDS. I WANT YOU TO ASSIST IN INVESTING THIS MONEY, BUT I WILL NOT WANT MY IDENTITY REVEALED. I WILL ALSO WANT TO BUY PROPERTIES AND STOCK IN MULTI-NATIONAL COMPANIES AND TO ENGAGE IN OTHER SAFE AND NON-SPECULATIVE INVESTMENTS. MAY I AT THIS POINT EMPHASISE THE HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENTIALITY, WHICH THIS BUSINESS DEMANDS, AND HOPE YOU WILL NOT BETRAY THE TRUST AND CONFIDENCE, WHICH I REPOSE IN YOU. IN CONCLUSION, IF YOU WANT TO ASSIST US , MY SON SHALL PUT YOU IN THE PICTURE OF THE BUSINESS, TELL YOU WHERE THE FUNDS ARE CURRENTLY BEING MAINTAINED AND ALSO DISCUSS OTHER MODALITIES INCLUDING REMUNERATION FOR YOUR SERVICES. FOR THIS REASON KINDLY FURNISH US YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION, THAT IS YOUR PERSONAL TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBER FOR CONFIDENTIAL PURPOSE. BEST REGARDS, MRS M. SESE SEKO
Dute-y calls.If you can't trust the fix,what can you trust?
Dute Decision Expected Today Will Cincinnati's Jennifer Dute spend another Thanksgiving holiday behind bars? That's for a panel of three judges to decide. Dute, a Cincinnati housewife was convicted in October of four counts of pandering obscenity, was sentenced today to one year in prison. Presiding Hamilton County Common Pleas Judge Patrick Hang 'Em High Dinkelacker, in handing down the decision, said he was personally repulsed by the sexually explicit videos Mrs. Dute was convicted of illegally selling within county limits. Good thing Dinkelacker isn't on the panel. Or is the spirit of the fix in? After all, this is Cincinnati, a city that would sue its own football team. It could still go either way feels Alan Dute, Jennifer's husband. Alan Dute: The appeals court is looking at the issue today and I'm waiting for a call from my attorney. A three-judge panel is looking at whether she should be released pending appeal of the case. There was a motion filed by Jennifer's attorneys to the court of appeals arguing that that should be the case. They are supposed to come to a decision on that today. Then the appeal of the whole case is a separate issue and will probably be somewhere six months down the road. There will be an appeal of the case. There's a possibility that will deny her release pending the appeal. But given the fact that it's a fifth degree felony, a non-violent crime and a fifth degree felony that carries with it the presumption of no jail time, I don't see how they can see no unless the fix is in. And we know the fix was in on the regular case.
Re: S/MIME and web of trust (was Re: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick)
Eric Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Additionally, there is nothing that prevents one from issuing certs that can be used to sign other certs. Sure, there are key usage bits etc but its possible to ignore them. It should be possible to create a PGP style web of trust using X.509 certs, given an appropriate set of cert extensions. I proposed some very simple additions to X.509 which would allow you to use the certs in the same way as PGP keys a year or two back. Unfortunately the PKIX WG chair is about as open to PGP-style additions to X.509 as some PGP people are towards S/MIME. (You can also do PGP using X.509 certs, I've been doing that for awhile just out of sheer bloody-mindedness :-). Peter.
Re: S/MIME and web of trust (was Re: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick)
Eric Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Additionally, there is nothing that prevents one from issuing certs that can be used to sign other certs. Sure, there are key usage bits etc but its possible to ignore them. It should be possible to create a PGP style web of trust using X.509 certs, given an appropriate set of cert extensions. I proposed some very simple additions to X.509 which would allow you to use the certs in the same way as PGP keys a year or two back. Unfortunately the PKIX WG chair is about as open to PGP-style additions to X.509 as some PGP people are towards S/MIME. (You can also do PGP using X.509 certs, I've been doing that for awhile just out of sheer bloody-mindedness :-). Peter.
Re: S/MIME and web of trust (was Re: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick)
-- Having been the verisign guy at a couple of companies, it appears to me that the administrative costs of both models are unacceptably high. The hierarchical verisign model is useful when one wishes to verify that something comes from a famous and well known name -- that this software really is issued by Flash, that this website really does belong to the Bank of America. In this case, however, only famous and well known names need their keys from verisign. No one else needs one. When one wishes to know one is really communicating with Bob, it is best to use the same channels to verify this is Bob's key, as one used to verify that Bob is the guy one wishes to talk to. The web of trust, and Verisign, merely get in the way. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG xkCkA0o8/Z61jfLQ1GxttqqvOUL5cRcKXhnoSRp2 4530ol1PGEfGac3Gmk2JosCmoRLyj96HAEp0EUGLT
Re: S/MIME and web of trust (was Re: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick)
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 04:40:36PM -0700, Eric Murray wrote: Additionally, there is nothing that prevents one from issuing certs that can be used to sign other certs. Sure, there are key usage bits etc but its possible to ignore them. The S/MIME aware MUAs do not ignore the trust delegation bit. Therefore you can not usefully sign other certs with a user grade certificate from verisign et al. If you make your own CA key (with the trust delegation bit set) and self-sign it, S/MIME aware MUAs will also flag signatures made with it as invalid signatures because your self-signed CA key is not signed by a CA in the default trusted CA key database. It should be possible to create a PGP style web of trust using X.509 certs, given an appropriate set of cert extensions. If Peter can put a .gif of his cat in an X.509 cert there's no reason someone couldn't represent a web of trust in it. While it is true that you can extend X.509v3 I don't see how useful it would be to add a WoT extension until it got widely deployed. Recipient MUAs will at best ignore your extensions, and worse will fail on them until support for such an extension is deployed. I view the chances of such an extension getting deployed as close to nil. The S/MIME MUA / PKI library / CA cartel has a financial incentive to not deploy it -- as they view it as competition to the CAs business. Adam
S/MIME and web of trust (was Re: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick)
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 11:17:08AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- On 23 May 2002 at 0:24, Lucky Green wrote: Tell me about it. PGP, GPG, and all its variants need to die before S/MIME will be able to break into the Open Source community, thus removing the last, but persistent, block to an instant increase in number of potential users of secure email by several orders of magnitude. My impression is that S/MIME sucks big ones, because it commits one to a certificate system based on verisign or equivalent. It uses X.509, which is supposed to be a hierarchical certificate system. Verisign is just the dominant X.509 CA. But as others have pointed out, its possible to become one's own X.509 CA and issue oneself certs. Netscape and IE browsers will accept certs from completely made up CAs. You might have to click on a few do you really want to do this dialog boxes but that's it. All you need is a copy of Openssl and directions off a web site.. Additionally, there is nothing that prevents one from issuing certs that can be used to sign other certs. Sure, there are key usage bits etc but its possible to ignore them. It should be possible to create a PGP style web of trust using X.509 certs, given an appropriate set of cert extensions. If Peter can put a .gif of his cat in an X.509 cert there's no reason someone couldn't represent a web of trust in it. Each user would self-sign their cert. Or self-sign a CA cert and use that to sign a cert, same thing. Trust would be indicated by (signed) cert extensions that indicate I trust Joe Blow X amount as a signer of keys. Each time you added a trust extension you would generate a new cert using the same key. Each trust extension would indicate the entity, their key id (hash of public key), and the degree of trust. When you added a trust extension you'd give a copy of the enw cert to the entity you just added. They can then append these certs onto their cert when they authenticate to someone. When authenticating, you verify the other guys cert, something he signed with his private key, then all the other people's certs that he sends in addition to his own, all of which attest to his trustworthiness. Ideally, you also trust some of the same people, so you now have their signed statements attesting to a degree of trust in the new guy. [note, there's probably a conceptal flaw in this since I'm loopy from allergy drugs today and probably not thinking as clearly as I think I am, so be polite when you point out my error. In any case, the point is that its possible to do a web of trust in x.509, not that I have a fully formed scheme for implementing it] Since all this is in X.509, S/MIME MTAs accept it (unless they are programmed to not accept self-signed CAs, in which case your MTA is a slave to Verisign et. al). You'd need an external program to verify the web of trust, but that's about it. And to be honest, exactly zero of the PGP exchanges I have had have actually used the web of trust to really verify a PGP key. I've only done it in testing. In the real world, I either verify out of band (i.e. over the phone) or don't bother if the other party is too clueless to understand what I want to do and getting them to do PGP at all has already exausted my paticnce. But why bother? Even if I could do this X.509 web of trust tomorrow, no one besides a few crypto-geeks would use it. People just don't give a shit about other people reading their email. Most people can't even be bothered to use a decent password or shred their credit-card statements. Only criminals have anything to hide, right? -- Eric
in club we trust (fwd)
[SSZ: This is funny...don't have a clue where the quote came from.] Subject: in club we trust If the IRS cuts down on its audits and enforcement, more people are going to say, 'The IRS isn't out there with a club, so we can do anything we want,' warns Congressman Amo Houghton (R-New York), and that will erode the whole concept of our tax system, which is based on trust. -- The law is applied philosophy and a philosphical system is only as valid as its first principles. James Patrick Kelly - Wildlife [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
in club we trust (fwd)
[SSZ: This is funny...don't have a clue where the quote came from.] Subject: in club we trust If the IRS cuts down on its audits and enforcement, more people are going to say, 'The IRS isn't out there with a club, so we can do anything we want,' warns Congressman Amo Houghton (R-New York), and that will erode the whole concept of our tax system, which is based on trust. -- The law is applied philosophy and a philosphical system is only as valid as its first principles. James Patrick Kelly - Wildlife [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Re: How do we trust bits?
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Pat Farrell wrote: Alice trusts money because she can get ice cream cones. Incorrect, she trusts money because she knows the vendor trusts the money. Why? Because they are members in a large (reasonably) stable environment with (relatively) low threat percentages. If it's too hairy the ice cream man moves on down the road, and the price of bread is so high that nobody worries about ice cream. Try to buy ice cream in a combat zone. Banks exchange bits thru the ACH networks based on a belief that their exchange is valid. No, they exchange bits based on a very expensive and complicated protocol that has a variety of safe guards built into it. Bits are bits, there is no way to know that the bits are special; yet there is a cultural contract that allows money to move. The medium is -not- the message. There -is- context. What message does a telegraph send if the key isn't struck? Cleary the medium in and of itself can't be the message. What does the message Billy arrived mean, if context isn't important? Does it mean that the killer arrived on time, that your a grandparent, or that your dog just got to the vet? This means that yes, -some- bits -are- more special than others. You and Tim are incorrect in your view. And yes, the question of whether trust (is) -not- transitive is -especially- critical. It is an -emotional- measure of the social stability of the populace at large. If people don't trust they don't -cooperate- and this adds 'friction' to the system. It's sort of like the PVT gas law coupled with materials science (in particular failure mode analysis) with respect to when or if the society will 'pop'. It maps (at least parametrically) to temperature (trust that is). -- The law is applied philosophy and a philosphical system is only as valid as its first principles. James Patrick Kelly - Wildlife [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Re: How do we trust bits?
Changing trust to believe advances the discussion not one whit. Alice trusts Bob to sign keys accurately; Alice believes that Bob signs keys accurately. The change doesn't add anything. In fact if anything it's a step backwards. Trust is a specific form of belief; it is a belief on which the holder is placing some reliance. By substituting belief for trust you lose information. You go from a more specific term to a more generic one, a sign of sloppy thinking. It's a sad commentary on the intellectual level around here that a fatuous old windbag can propose such a counterproductive change in terminology and get his spineless lackeys to salute him for his wisdom. Meanwhile those who know better are intimidated into silence.
Re: How do we trust bits?
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Nomen Nescio wrote: Changing trust to believe advances the discussion not one whit. Alice trusts Bob to sign keys accurately; Alice believes that Bob signs keys accurately. The change doesn't add anything. In fact if anything it's a step backwards. Trust is a specific form of belief; it is a belief on which the holder is placing some reliance. By substituting belief for trust you lose information. You go from a more specific term to a more generic one, a sign of sloppy thinking. It's a sad commentary on the intellectual level around here that a fatuous old windbag can propose such a counterproductive change in terminology and get his spineless lackeys to salute him for his wisdom. Meanwhile those who know better are intimidated into silence. While I thought the same thing about it being a more general term, it seemed like it was pointless to discuss. Rather than complain about the intellectual level, it's better to ignore noise and simply discuss the signal you feel is interesting. Ignoring noise is not a sign of intimidation :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: How do we trust bits?
At 01:43 AM 4/11/2002 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Pat Farrell wrote: Banks exchange bits thru the ACH networks based on a belief that their exchange is valid. No, they exchange bits based on a very expensive and complicated protocol that has a variety of safe guards built into it. You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion. I don't see it that way. And I think the difference is important. My work at CyberCash, where we did the exchanges over ACH and Vital and other networks shows that the protocols were not actually very expensive or strongly complicated. Baroque, yes, overly complex to imply security by obscurity, yes. and to serve as a barrier to entry to keep out the unwashed and untrusted, of course yes. CyberCash was allowed to plug in and use the networks not because of some cryptographic wizardry. Rather it was because the founder (Bill Melton) and several of the VPs had years of experience working with the banks. The trust was with the people, not with the bits. Pat Pat Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pfarrell.com
Re: How do we trust bits?
Changing trust to believe advances the discussion not one whit. Alice trusts Bob to sign keys accurately; Alice believes that Bob signs keys accurately. The change doesn't add anything. Belief is a physiological phenomenon that makes one accept otherwise silly concepts in order to be unison with a group. It is essential for the development of civilisation as we know it. The belief center is located in the left cortical hemisphere close to the center for unrelated ranting. Trust is an estimate of the future behaviour, extrapolation based on known facts and past performances. The two are completely unrelated. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: How do we trust bits?
At 07:29 PM 4/10/2002 -0700, Tim May wrote: How do we trust bits to represent money? I argue that the question is, as stated, not well-grounded at this time. I agree. It is interesting to be back on cypherpunks after a five or more year vacation, only to find most of the same discussions we had ten years ago. Trust. Trust is a misleading concept. I think this is key. Trust was used in the early crypto papers as a handy word that had very little of the emotional baggage that people place on it now. The whole mangling of Certification Authorities and whether trust is transitive is missing the point. Alice trusts money because she can get ice cream cones. Banks exchange bits thru the ACH networks based on a belief that their exchange is valid. Bits are bits, there is no way to know that the bits are special; yet there is a cultural contract that allows money to move. Recent discussions talk about money in consumer terms. Banks move millions on faith alone. Large banks, mortgage houses, etc. move billions of dollars (with a B) with far less real security than many cypherpunks would use to secure a Tim May rant. Furthermore, the entire is-a object model, where is-a bank and has-an account balance of can and SHOULD (IMO) be replaced with a more realistic and more interesting model of believes. All of digital money is recastable in terms of Alice believes, Bob believes, Charles believes, etc. All of finance is about belief. Yes, Bank A believes that the bits coming down the Fedwire belong to Bank B. That is how money moves today. And there is a risk that this is not true, which is one of the things banks are paid to do: assess the probability of getting paid back for a transaction, and charging accordingly. We need to ask better questions if we expect to stop talking about the same real and imagined problems ten years from now. Pat Pat Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pfarrell.com
Re: How do we trust bits?
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Pat Farrell wrote: Alice trusts money because she can get ice cream cones. Incorrect, she trusts money because she knows the vendor trusts the money. Why? Because they are members in a large (reasonably) stable environment with (relatively) low threat percentages. If it's too hairy the ice cream man moves on down the road, and the price of bread is so high that nobody worries about ice cream. Try to buy ice cream in a combat zone. Banks exchange bits thru the ACH networks based on a belief that their exchange is valid. No, they exchange bits based on a very expensive and complicated protocol that has a variety of safe guards built into it. Bits are bits, there is no way to know that the bits are special; yet there is a cultural contract that allows money to move. The medium is -not- the message. There -is- context. What message does a telegraph send if the key isn't struck? Cleary the medium in and of itself can't be the message. What does the message Billy arrived mean, if context isn't important? Does it mean that the killer arrived on time, that your a grandparent, or that your dog just got to the vet? This means that yes, -some- bits -are- more special than others. You and Tim are incorrect in your view. And yes, the question of whether trust (is) -not- transitive is -especially- critical. It is an -emotional- measure of the social stability of the populace at large. If people don't trust they don't -cooperate- and this adds 'friction' to the system. It's sort of like the PVT gas law coupled with materials science (in particular failure mode analysis) with respect to when or if the society will 'pop'. It maps (at least parametrically) to temperature (trust that is). -- The law is applied philosophy and a philosphical system is only as valid as its first principles. James Patrick Kelly - Wildlife [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Re: How do we trust bits?
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Nomen Nescio wrote: Changing trust to believe advances the discussion not one whit. Alice trusts Bob to sign keys accurately; Alice believes that Bob signs keys accurately. The change doesn't add anything. In fact if anything it's a step backwards. Trust is a specific form of belief; it is a belief on which the holder is placing some reliance. By substituting belief for trust you lose information. You go from a more specific term to a more generic one, a sign of sloppy thinking. It's a sad commentary on the intellectual level around here that a fatuous old windbag can propose such a counterproductive change in terminology and get his spineless lackeys to salute him for his wisdom. Meanwhile those who know better are intimidated into silence. While I thought the same thing about it being a more general term, it seemed like it was pointless to discuss. Rather than complain about the intellectual level, it's better to ignore noise and simply discuss the signal you feel is interesting. Ignoring noise is not a sign of intimidation :-) Patience, persistence, truth, Dr. mike
Re: How do we trust bits?
At 01:43 AM 4/11/2002 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Pat Farrell wrote: Banks exchange bits thru the ACH networks based on a belief that their exchange is valid. No, they exchange bits based on a very expensive and complicated protocol that has a variety of safe guards built into it. You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion. I don't see it that way. And I think the difference is important. My work at CyberCash, where we did the exchanges over ACH and Vital and other networks shows that the protocols were not actually very expensive or strongly complicated. Baroque, yes, overly complex to imply security by obscurity, yes. and to serve as a barrier to entry to keep out the unwashed and untrusted, of course yes. CyberCash was allowed to plug in and use the networks not because of some cryptographic wizardry. Rather it was because the founder (Bill Melton) and several of the VPs had years of experience working with the banks. The trust was with the people, not with the bits. Pat Pat Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pfarrell.com
Re: How do we trust bits?
Changing trust to believe advances the discussion not one whit. Alice trusts Bob to sign keys accurately; Alice believes that Bob signs keys accurately. The change doesn't add anything. Belief is a physiological phenomenon that makes one accept otherwise silly concepts in order to be unison with a group. It is essential for the development of civilisation as we know it. The belief center is located in the left cortical hemisphere close to the center for unrelated ranting. Trust is an estimate of the future behaviour, extrapolation based on known facts and past performances. The two are completely unrelated. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/
How do we trust bits?
How do we trust bits to represent money? Someone asked this (Mike Rosing, I think it was). I argue that the question is, as stated, not well-grounded at this time. No one is asking for bits to be trusted, from first principles, absent real products and a real embedding in a financial system. Perhaps in N years, when Chaum/Brands kinds of digital money are actually being used, such a question will be more meaningful. Then we can ask Mary Jones why she trusts that the numbers being sent between her smart card or computer to her bank or moneychanger are really trustable. Until then, asking Mary why she should trust bits as money is inappropriate. However, even then, in N years, the question will be problematic. Consider this: we 'trust bits flowing between credit card verifiers, banks, and vendors. And we trust the welter of bits flowing in and amongst computers handling bank accounts, checks, traveller's checks, international clearing houses, SWIFT, etc. None of these systems are handling money in anything but a bookkeeping or accounting sense. Money is marks. Trust. Trust is a misleading concept. I recommend (and have done so for a long time...this is not new) doing a coordinate shift and recasting discussions about trust into discussions about belief. * At a very early age most children learn that the coins given to them by their parents may be exchanged for ice cream cones and rides on ponies. (Or for vials of crack, translating this experience into the inner cities.) Do they trust that a quarter is really a quarter, or is really money? No, they merely have an _expectation_, a _belief_, that the future will continue to look very much like the past and that the quarters in their pocket will very likely, almost with certainty, be accepted by store owners. * At a somewhat later age, most children are introduced to the ideas of bank accounts. Often through school-sponsored Savings Bond programs or passbook savings accounts. (These fell into disfavor during the inflationary 70s.). In any case, children learn to _expect_, to _believe_, that the markings in their passbooks mean that a bank will let them take dollars and quarters out with the appropriate incantations to the bank teller. Whether the money in the bank is real or imaginary is not at issue, only the expectation of a future. * And so on. Nearly all forms of money we encounter in the modern world are based on this pattern that the future will, in most cases, look a lot like the future. When there are exceptions, as with bank failures or frauds, this modifies the belief function. (Children learn, most of them, that lending money to other children and expecting to get it back is much different than depositing/lending money to the Big Bank and expecting to get it back. Children of the 1930s or of Weimar Germany may have suitable tweaks to this model, but the larger point is the same.) Bayesian reasoning, in other words. Experiential learning, with actors/institutions embedded in a larger matrix. The Big Bank is _expected_ to be more reputable, more trustable, because of a bunch of connections it has to other actors, to the past, and to its future. Some of these things we call reputation (or reputation capital), some we call trust. But belief is the ultimate fabric, the ultimate currency. We place _bets_ on whether loans will be repaid (risk, loansharking, vigorish, etc.). We _discount_ certain financial instruments based on our expectations or beliefs about the future. Furthermore, the entire is-a object model, where is-a bank and has-an account balance of can and SHOULD (IMO) be replaced with a more realistic and more interesting model of believes. All of digital money is recastable in terms of Alice believes, Bob believes, Charles believes, etc. All of finance is about belief. (And there are very intriguing semantics of these models. Saul Kripke is one place to look, as he pioneered the possible worlds semantics approach. All of human and animal behavior is largely based on building internal models of how the world works, what other people and animals will be doing (will be doing in a possible worlds sense), and what the implications of various courses of action will likely be.) We don't trust that the sun will rise tomorrow: we _believe_ it will rise, because it has for every day for the past several billion years and we see no causal reason to doubt that 0.947365 of all possible worlds involve the sun coming up. Operationally, we will lay heavy odds with anyone that the sun will come up. Likewise, we don't trust that Bank of America will give us our money back when we ask for it (modulor the right incantations and such): we _believe_ very strongly that it will. When people gain experience with a complex protocol, for example, and they start to see the same behavior, then they start to trust (= believe, = make bets) the protocol. Such was it when we were children
Re: How do we trust bits?
At 07:29 PM 4/10/2002 -0700, Tim May wrote: How do we trust bits to represent money? I argue that the question is, as stated, not well-grounded at this time. I agree. It is interesting to be back on cypherpunks after a five or more year vacation, only to find most of the same discussions we had ten years ago. Trust. Trust is a misleading concept. I think this is key. Trust was used in the early crypto papers as a handy word that had very little of the emotional baggage that people place on it now. The whole mangling of Certification Authorities and whether trust is transitive is missing the point. Alice trusts money because she can get ice cream cones. Banks exchange bits thru the ACH networks based on a belief that their exchange is valid. Bits are bits, there is no way to know that the bits are special; yet there is a cultural contract that allows money to move. Recent discussions talk about money in consumer terms. Banks move millions on faith alone. Large banks, mortgage houses, etc. move billions of dollars (with a B) with far less real security than many cypherpunks would use to secure a Tim May rant. Furthermore, the entire is-a object model, where is-a bank and has-an account balance of can and SHOULD (IMO) be replaced with a more realistic and more interesting model of believes. All of digital money is recastable in terms of Alice believes, Bob believes, Charles believes, etc. All of finance is about belief. Yes, Bank A believes that the bits coming down the Fedwire belong to Bank B. That is how money moves today. And there is a risk that this is not true, which is one of the things banks are paid to do: assess the probability of getting paid back for a transaction, and charging accordingly. We need to ask better questions if we expect to stop talking about the same real and imagined problems ten years from now. Pat Pat Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pfarrell.com
How do we trust bits?
How do we trust bits to represent money? Someone asked this (Mike Rosing, I think it was). I argue that the question is, as stated, not well-grounded at this time. No one is asking for bits to be trusted, from first principles, absent real products and a real embedding in a financial system. Perhaps in N years, when Chaum/Brands kinds of digital money are actually being used, such a question will be more meaningful. Then we can ask Mary Jones why she trusts that the numbers being sent between her smart card or computer to her bank or moneychanger are really trustable. Until then, asking Mary why she should trust bits as money is inappropriate. However, even then, in N years, the question will be problematic. Consider this: we 'trust bits flowing between credit card verifiers, banks, and vendors. And we trust the welter of bits flowing in and amongst computers handling bank accounts, checks, traveller's checks, international clearing houses, SWIFT, etc. None of these systems are handling money in anything but a bookkeeping or accounting sense. Money is marks. Trust. Trust is a misleading concept. I recommend (and have done so for a long time...this is not new) doing a coordinate shift and recasting discussions about trust into discussions about belief. * At a very early age most children learn that the coins given to them by their parents may be exchanged for ice cream cones and rides on ponies. (Or for vials of crack, translating this experience into the inner cities.) Do they trust that a quarter is really a quarter, or is really money? No, they merely have an _expectation_, a _belief_, that the future will continue to look very much like the past and that the quarters in their pocket will very likely, almost with certainty, be accepted by store owners. * At a somewhat later age, most children are introduced to the ideas of bank accounts. Often through school-sponsored Savings Bond programs or passbook savings accounts. (These fell into disfavor during the inflationary 70s.). In any case, children learn to _expect_, to _believe_, that the markings in their passbooks mean that a bank will let them take dollars and quarters out with the appropriate incantations to the bank teller. Whether the money in the bank is real or imaginary is not at issue, only the expectation of a future. * And so on. Nearly all forms of money we encounter in the modern world are based on this pattern that the future will, in most cases, look a lot like the future. When there are exceptions, as with bank failures or frauds, this modifies the belief function. (Children learn, most of them, that lending money to other children and expecting to get it back is much different than depositing/lending money to the Big Bank and expecting to get it back. Children of the 1930s or of Weimar Germany may have suitable tweaks to this model, but the larger point is the same.) Bayesian reasoning, in other words. Experiential learning, with actors/institutions embedded in a larger matrix. The Big Bank is _expected_ to be more reputable, more trustable, because of a bunch of connections it has to other actors, to the past, and to its future. Some of these things we call reputation (or reputation capital), some we call trust. But belief is the ultimate fabric, the ultimate currency. We place _bets_ on whether loans will be repaid (risk, loansharking, vigorish, etc.). We _discount_ certain financial instruments based on our expectations or beliefs about the future. Furthermore, the entire is-a object model, where is-a bank and has-an account balance of can and SHOULD (IMO) be replaced with a more realistic and more interesting model of believes. All of digital money is recastable in terms of Alice believes, Bob believes, Charles believes, etc. All of finance is about belief. (And there are very intriguing semantics of these models. Saul Kripke is one place to look, as he pioneered the possible worlds semantics approach. All of human and animal behavior is largely based on building internal models of how the world works, what other people and animals will be doing (will be doing in a possible worlds sense), and what the implications of various courses of action will likely be.) We don't trust that the sun will rise tomorrow: we _believe_ it will rise, because it has for every day for the past several billion years and we see no causal reason to doubt that 0.947365 of all possible worlds involve the sun coming up. Operationally, we will lay heavy odds with anyone that the sun will come up. Likewise, we don't trust that Bank of America will give us our money back when we ask for it (modulor the right incantations and such): we _believe_ very strongly that it will. When people gain experience with a complex protocol, for example, and they start to see the same behavior, then they start to trust (= believe, = make bets) the protocol. Such was it when we were children
Slashdot | Microsoft: Trust and Antitrust (fwd)
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/04/09/1657223.shtml?tid=109 -- The law is applied philosophy and a philosphical system is only as valid as its first principles. James Patrick Kelly - Wildlife [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Suit shuts down Indian Trust for security upgrade (was Re: Slashdot | U.S. Department of Interior Ordered Offline)
on Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 10:19:47PM -0600, Jim Choate ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: http://slashdot.org/articles/01/12/07/0223216.shtml That's pretty poor reporting even for the combination of Choate Slashdot. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011205/pl/indian_money_2.html Wednesday December 5 8:27 PM ET Judge Shuts Down Indian Trust System By ROBERT GEHRKE, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - A judge acted Wednesday to protect hundreds of millions of dollars in a government-run trust fund for American Indians that has been found to be at risk of security breaches. The emergency order came a day after a report detailed how easily a court-appointed investigator was able to hack into the accounting system at the Interior Department and manipulate financial data. The government computer system is essentially a bank that manages $500 million a year in royalties from land owned by 300,000 American Indians. But U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth said that Interior's system had no firewalls to prevent intrusions, systems to detect hackers, or auditing methods to determine if account information had been manipulated. ``You don't expect a thief to leave a calling card?'' Lamberth asked Justice Department (news - web sites) attorney Matt Fader. Fader said Interior Secretary Gale Norton had already ordered all Internet access to the system terminated while firewalls are installed. Naturally, the private sector does far better. I couldn't think of a California pension management company that had similarly poor data security procedures. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html msg12356/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- (I know this reads like a bad troll, but thought you'd want to see it anyway...) Washington Post September 30, 2001 Federal Diary Trust In Government Surges During Crisis; Challenge Is To Keep It From Ebbing By Stephen Barr The liberals trust the government. The conservatives trust the government. Equal proportions of men and women trust the government. The results of a Washington Post poll published yesterday are stunning. The poll found that 64 percent of Americans trusted the federal government nearly always or most of the time to do what is right, more than double the percentage who said they trusted the government in April 2000. The support cuts across ideological, racial, financial and geographic lines, reflecting broad support for the federal government, according to the data compiled by Richard Morin, director of Washington Post polling, and Claudia Deane, assistant director. Clearly, the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 played a pivotal role in shaping how Americans view the government. Ninety percent support taking military action against groups or nations responsible for the attacks, according to the poll. A whopping 82 percent said they favored having the federal government take over security screening at U.S. airports. The poll breaks what had been a three-decade span of surveys showing that roughly one-third of Americans felt they could trust in government. In the early 1960s, University of Michigan polls found that more than seven in 10 Americans expressed confidence in the federal government. The proportion dropped below 50 percent after 1972 and spiraled downward through the decades of Vietnam, Watergate and political scandals. Today, the Post poll found, 69 percent of conservatives, 64 percent of moderates and 62 percent of liberals say they trust the government always or most of the time. People identifying themselves by political party also trust the government more than before. In April 2000, only 25 percent of Republicans said they trusted the government always or most of the time. Today, it's 73 percent. That's 12 percentage points higher than Democrats, who historically put more faith in government programs. The turnaround is equally impressive among independent voters. Only 27 percent of independents trusted the government last year; now, 62 percent say they do. The poll found that 64 percent of men and 64 percent of women expressed confidence in the federal government. Residents of the South (67 percent) and the East (66 percent) showed slightly more trust than people in the West (61 percent) and the Midwest (62 percent). Young people trusted the government slightly more than baby boomers, according to the poll. Sixty-eight percent of the people in the 18-to-30 age range said they trusted the government; 62 percent of those 31 to 44 expressed confidence; and 63 percent of people older than 45 said they trusted the government. When measured by income, the changes in trust are dramatic. In April 2000, only 31 percent of respondents earning $50,000 or more trusted the government; now it's 69 percent. Last year, only 28 percent of people earning $30,000 to $50,000 expressed trust, while 67 percent do now. A total of 1,215 randomly selected adults were interviewed Sept. 25-27 for the poll. The margin of error is plus or minus three percentage points. The positive feelings about government from Republicans and other conservatives probably spring from their staunch support of President Bush, a Republican. But other institutions -- Congress, the military, the FBI -- received equally impressive approval ratings in recent Gallup polls. Even federal employees are getting high approval ratings. A recent survey by the Presidential Appointee Initiative, a Brookings Institution project, found that 69 percent of Americans held favorable opinions of government workers. Numerous analysts of poll numbers think this tidal wave of trust in the government will recede when the crisis fades. But it doesn't have to slip away. That's the long-haul challenge facing Bush, members of Congress and federal employees. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Hush 2.0 wl8EARECAB8FAju4snwYHGF1dG8zMDEwOTRAaHVzaG1haWwuY29tAAoJEKadvsVlUK4P 0gIAoJ/IunWPDe6q9jLKjX3GYoYS4jgdAJ47b0F3pRzVFHwrBkjok34aPapoHg== =IP14 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
