Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004, James A. Donald wrote: I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields, nor surrounding themselves with children as human shields. Using children to clear minefields has its logic. They are often not heavy enough to trigger the mine, and they often fear less, which both makes them more successful and more willing to do the job.
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:19:30PM -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote: fission rate, ie fewer spare neutrons to spoil the fun. Even pure Pu-239, the result of short irradiation, has a problem with premature ejaculation. So use a tritium-boosted fission nuke. Not as hard to do a true fusion device. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpayYzQLT6py.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
At 8:11 PM -0700 9/20/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 04:57 PM 9/19/04 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: But the Saudi Arabian elite, of among which Bin Laden was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, are not getting screwed over. 1. you don't get religion 2. UBL's mom was a low-caste yemeni, dig? Actually, UBL's *dad* was a low-caste Yemeni, too. And your point is? Like all cultural components, religion is about the allocation of scarce resources. War is the penultimate form of this kind of allocation. In fact, the actual content of religion is immaterial, except where it affects the ability of a culture to raise the resources to fight a *war*, which, as Hanson puts it so nicely in Carnage and Culture, is everything. Because of its inability to raise the resources to fight a modern war -- capital (by several orders of magnitude, go look at a map with GDP superimposed), and, most important the freedom to create new *science* to produce that capital with, virtually out of thin air -- Islam is a dead religion. It just doesn't know it yet. UBL, and the entire Islamic culture, will eventually go the way of Hannibal and Carthage. Carthage sacrificed children to their gods too. Go for it, I say... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
t 11:38 PM 9/20/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 8:11 PM -0700 9/20/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: 2. UBL's mom was a low-caste yemeni, dig? Actually, UBL's *dad* was a low-caste Yemeni, too. And your point is? That you can be wealthy and still find something of the underdog in you, which you can resublimate... -- Islam is a dead religion. It just doesn't know it yet. Lets hope that's true for all of them...
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
At 04:57 PM 9/19/04 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: But the Saudi Arabian elite, of among which Bin Laden was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, are not getting screwed over. 1. you don't get religion 2. UBL's mom was a low-caste yemeni, dig?
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
At 05:07 PM 9/19/04 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields, nor surrounding themselves with children as human shields. The yank minutemen were not above taking children as soldiers, any more than Dan'l Boone was above taking a 14 year old as a wife.
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At 11:42 AM 9/20/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: (Remember the Hiroshima bomb was *not* tested, so sure were the scientists. Trinity My understanding (and I am *positive* someone will correct me if I'm wrong) was that there was a shortage of both fissionable materials and appropriate [altimeter] fuse mechanisms, making testing a outside of enemy territory a losing proposition. Fissiles were expensive, still are, but the design of U-gun is better (if you can afford the enrichment) because of U's lower spontaneous fission rate, ie fewer spare neutrons to spoil the fun. Even pure Pu-239, the result of short irradiation, has a problem with premature ejaculation.
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
At 08:46 PM 9/19/04 -0700, John Young wrote: Today, even the US uses children in war, 17 being the minimum age to enlist. Others sneak in by lying about their age, some as young as 14. Recruiters look the other way when the kids and their parents lie. Been there, done that. Enlisted in the army at 15, served months before being kicked out when a relative ratted on me. Went in again at 17. Not that it matters, but you have tipped your motivations far more than your bailey-bridge erections... Still, good things come from twisted sources... look at the GNU projekts :-)
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:19:30PM -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote: fission rate, ie fewer spare neutrons to spoil the fun. Even pure Pu-239, the result of short irradiation, has a problem with premature ejaculation. So use a tritium-boosted fission nuke. Not as hard to do a true fusion device. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpCtMplPGiQk.pgp Description: PGP signature
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At 8:12 PM -0700 9/20/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: The yank minutemen were not above taking children as soldiers, any more than Dan'l Boone was above taking a 14 year old as a wife. That's more a definition of adult, than anything else. If they're old enough to blee-... Oh, forget it... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
John Young wrote: What older soft-gutted guys in all nations like most is the Wagnerian tragedy, the soap opera sturm and drang, of other people's suffering and death for their loose-screw agenda. You demonstrate that point well.
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John Young wrote... from school and fucked up parents who use you like a beast of burden -- in every age and country. The military has found that teenagers are better fighters than those over 21, more malleable, patriotic, healthy, ready to kill when told it's okay. . Grunts younger than 20 are the universal soldier. Non-caucasians especially. Hum. I wonder if it's a coincidence that the US school system is such a mess. What on earth would we do if non-caucasians, especially, were equipped for some kind of opportunity? Guess we'd have to start the draft again, and folks get kinda touchy when the exemptions are a little too obvious. -TD From: John Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:46:27 -0700 James A. Donald: I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields, nor surrounding themselves with children as human shields. No, not minefields, but a good percentage of Washington's army and that of the French, were children. Young boys were taught the art of war as gofers and undercover spies among the Brits. Some were caught and executed. Others packed weapons and fought like men who welcomed their foolhardy bravery when their manly courage withered. Today, even the US uses children in war, 17 being the minimum age to enlist. Others sneak in by lying about their age, some as young as 14. Recruiters look the other way when the kids and their parents lie. Been there, done that. Enlisted in the army at 15, served months before being kicked out when a relative ratted on me. Went in again at 17. That was not uncommon then, and still is not. Good way to get away from school and fucked up parents who use you like a beast of burden -- in every age and country. The military has found that teenagers are better fighters than those over 21, more malleable, patriotic, healthy, ready to kill when told it's okay. Older guys and gals think for themselves too much to charge a machine gun. A kid thinks life will never end. That's why it's not so hard to cultivate suicide bombers. Flying a $50 million plane is a piece of cake, no guts required. Fuck those stand-off cowards in artillery, the navy and air force. Grunts younger than 20 are the universal soldier. Non-caucasians especially. No need to mention today's Africans, the pre-teens and teens Mao used effectively, the underage North Koreans in the Korean Conflict, and not least the Amerindians who taught kids from puberty to make war -- boys and girls. It is worth pondering that older guys don't like war up close, in fact the the further away it is the better they like to promote it with Stallonian filmic ferocity -- witness the current yellow-bellied administration, though hardly the first to cry for war to be fought by disposable youngsters. What older soft-gutted guys in all nations like most is the Wagnerian tragedy, the soap opera sturm and drang, of other people's suffering and death for their loose-screw agenda. _ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx
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Tim wrote... You demonstrate that point well. Hum. Spend a lot of time with binoculars, do we? How much does the FBI pay field ops these days? -TD _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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James A. Donald: I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields, nor surrounding themselves with children as human shields. John Young No, not minefields, but a good percentage of Washington's army and that of the French, were children. Young boys were taught the art of war as gofers and undercover spies among the Brits. Some were caught and executed. In no way does this compare to the Iranian method for clearing minefields, or Sadr's use of five year old children as human shields.
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: (Remember the Hiroshima bomb was *not* tested, so sure were the scientists. Trinity My understanding (and I am *positive* someone will correct me if I'm wrong) was that there was a shortage of both fissionable materials and appropriate [altimeter] fuse mechanisms, making testing a outside of enemy territory a losing proposition. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF ...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them. Osama Bin Laden - - - There aught to be limits to freedom!George Bush - - - Which one scares you more?
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
At 08:46 PM 9/19/04 -0700, John Young wrote: Today, even the US uses children in war, 17 being the minimum age to enlist. Others sneak in by lying about their age, some as young as 14. Recruiters look the other way when the kids and their parents lie. Been there, done that. Enlisted in the army at 15, served months before being kicked out when a relative ratted on me. Went in again at 17. Not that it matters, but you have tipped your motivations far more than your bailey-bridge erections... Still, good things come from twisted sources... look at the GNU projekts :-)
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
At 8:11 PM -0700 9/20/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 04:57 PM 9/19/04 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: But the Saudi Arabian elite, of among which Bin Laden was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, are not getting screwed over. 1. you don't get religion 2. UBL's mom was a low-caste yemeni, dig? Actually, UBL's *dad* was a low-caste Yemeni, too. And your point is? Like all cultural components, religion is about the allocation of scarce resources. War is the penultimate form of this kind of allocation. In fact, the actual content of religion is immaterial, except where it affects the ability of a culture to raise the resources to fight a *war*, which, as Hanson puts it so nicely in Carnage and Culture, is everything. Because of its inability to raise the resources to fight a modern war -- capital (by several orders of magnitude, go look at a map with GDP superimposed), and, most important the freedom to create new *science* to produce that capital with, virtually out of thin air -- Islam is a dead religion. It just doesn't know it yet. UBL, and the entire Islamic culture, will eventually go the way of Hannibal and Carthage. Carthage sacrificed children to their gods too. Go for it, I say... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
At 8:12 PM -0700 9/20/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: The yank minutemen were not above taking children as soldiers, any more than Dan'l Boone was above taking a 14 year old as a wife. That's more a definition of adult, than anything else. If they're old enough to blee-... Oh, forget it... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
t 11:38 PM 9/20/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 8:11 PM -0700 9/20/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: 2. UBL's mom was a low-caste yemeni, dig? Actually, UBL's *dad* was a low-caste Yemeni, too. And your point is? That you can be wealthy and still find something of the underdog in you, which you can resublimate... -- Islam is a dead religion. It just doesn't know it yet. Lets hope that's true for all of them...
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
John Young wrote... from school and fucked up parents who use you like a beast of burden -- in every age and country. The military has found that teenagers are better fighters than those over 21, more malleable, patriotic, healthy, ready to kill when told it's okay. . Grunts younger than 20 are the universal soldier. Non-caucasians especially. Hum. I wonder if it's a coincidence that the US school system is such a mess. What on earth would we do if non-caucasians, especially, were equipped for some kind of opportunity? Guess we'd have to start the draft again, and folks get kinda touchy when the exemptions are a little too obvious. -TD From: John Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:46:27 -0700 James A. Donald: I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields, nor surrounding themselves with children as human shields. No, not minefields, but a good percentage of Washington's army and that of the French, were children. Young boys were taught the art of war as gofers and undercover spies among the Brits. Some were caught and executed. Others packed weapons and fought like men who welcomed their foolhardy bravery when their manly courage withered. Today, even the US uses children in war, 17 being the minimum age to enlist. Others sneak in by lying about their age, some as young as 14. Recruiters look the other way when the kids and their parents lie. Been there, done that. Enlisted in the army at 15, served months before being kicked out when a relative ratted on me. Went in again at 17. That was not uncommon then, and still is not. Good way to get away from school and fucked up parents who use you like a beast of burden -- in every age and country. The military has found that teenagers are better fighters than those over 21, more malleable, patriotic, healthy, ready to kill when told it's okay. Older guys and gals think for themselves too much to charge a machine gun. A kid thinks life will never end. That's why it's not so hard to cultivate suicide bombers. Flying a $50 million plane is a piece of cake, no guts required. Fuck those stand-off cowards in artillery, the navy and air force. Grunts younger than 20 are the universal soldier. Non-caucasians especially. No need to mention today's Africans, the pre-teens and teens Mao used effectively, the underage North Koreans in the Korean Conflict, and not least the Amerindians who taught kids from puberty to make war -- boys and girls. It is worth pondering that older guys don't like war up close, in fact the the further away it is the better they like to promote it with Stallonian filmic ferocity -- witness the current yellow-bellied administration, though hardly the first to cry for war to be fought by disposable youngsters. What older soft-gutted guys in all nations like most is the Wagnerian tragedy, the soap opera sturm and drang, of other people's suffering and death for their loose-screw agenda. _ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
Tim wrote... You demonstrate that point well. Hum. Spend a lot of time with binoculars, do we? How much does the FBI pay field ops these days? -TD _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
James A. Donald: I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields, nor surrounding themselves with children as human shields. John Young No, not minefields, but a good percentage of Washington's army and that of the French, were children. Young boys were taught the art of war as gofers and undercover spies among the Brits. Some were caught and executed. In no way does this compare to the Iranian method for clearing minefields, or Sadr's use of five year old children as human shields.
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: (Remember the Hiroshima bomb was *not* tested, so sure were the scientists. Trinity My understanding (and I am *positive* someone will correct me if I'm wrong) was that there was a shortage of both fissionable materials and appropriate [altimeter] fuse mechanisms, making testing a outside of enemy territory a losing proposition. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF ...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them. Osama Bin Laden - - - There aught to be limits to freedom!George Bush - - - Which one scares you more?
Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards
-- James A. Donald: Iranian financed military movements, Hezbollah and Sadr, have been fairly well behaved - they don't target other people's children - just their own, but their willingness to cause the deaths of their own children is even more frightening than Al Quaeda's antics, though marginally less repugnant morally. People so willing to sacrifice children, are apt to be willing to use nuclear weapons. John Young More King George-type remarks, as with arrogant tyrants everywhere and their authority suck-ups. I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields, nor surrounding themselves with children as human shields. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG j07YPfmxqEtV9Aq+HTfim7giQ/OhISFU23UtnRML 4CdvNbZ/OawRkjcNRLk/qxs0QlgxWL3C8L7gIUcbA
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On 19 Sep 2004 at 12:15, Tyler Durden wrote: My running, personal theory is that Muslim fundamentalism (and in general, most fundamentalisms) get going when the locals gain a persistent sense that they're gettin' screwed over, But the Saudi Arabian elite, of among which Bin Laden was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, are not getting screwed over. Similarly, the Javanese are not get screwed over. In an entirely literal sense, they are doing the screwing, in that boys and girls among racial and religious minorities subject to their power tend to get raped, and the rapists and murderers go unpunished. Secondly, these guys are no more fundamentalists than the World Council of Churches, or liberation theologians, whose views strongly resemble those of the terrorists, are fundamentalists. They tend to talk about Islam overthrowing Capitalism, a proposition that would have seemed wholly bizarre to Mohammed, who talked about Islam overthrowing Christendom. A christian fundamentalist believes he bases his religion on Christ and the twelve Apostles. The terrorists do not believe they base their religion upon Mohammed and the four rightly guided Caliphs. Rather they base their religion on much later authority. Bin Laden even claims the Turkish Calphate represented proper religious authority, a view that is extremely whacky among Muslims. The views of many of the terrorists have a resemblance to those of caliph al- Hakim, holds that living theological authority is supreme, and casually rewrite the positions of dead theological authority - a position whose Christian equivalent is analogous to High Church, which is generally regarded as the opposite of fundamentalist.
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-- On 16 Sep 2004 at 15:54, Tyler Durden wrote: I'll grant there are some fanatics left in Iran, but Iran seems increasingly dominated by fairly sleezy clergy/judges. Like any government, theirs is deteriorating into a mere racket. And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long anywhere, only for about a generation during turbulent times. Iran is fostering war in Iraq and cooperating with Al Quaeda, which after what happened to Saddam indicates a fair degree of insanity. Iranian financed military movements, Hezbollah and Sadr, have been fairly well behaved - they don't target other people's children - just their own, but their willingness to cause the deaths of their own children is even more frightening than Al Quaeda's antics, though marginally less repugnant morally. People so willing to sacrifice children, are apt to be willing to use nuclear weapons. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG JKV/vsDeMLA+XUjdEyUC/KWjhIp7SvJjIbs1S7N/ 4obymQ+9XJMZgOwhPiK6FAtItaG0jErbco9OOpmms
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Tyler Durden wrote: And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long anywhere, only for about a generation during turbulent times. That is what King George and his redcoats said about the ragtag colonials, American as well as those who suffered the king's abuse into the 20th Centruty. James Donald wrote: Iran is fostering war in Iraq and cooperating with Al Quaeda, which after what happened to Saddam indicates a fair degree of insanity. That is what King George also said about the colonials, who then quite rationally arranged help from King George's enemies. Iranian financed military movements, Hezbollah and Sadr, have been fairly well behaved - they don't target other people's children - just their own, but their willingness to cause the deaths of their own children is even more frightening than Al Quaeda's antics, though marginally less repugnant morally. People so willing to sacrifice children, are apt to be willing to use nuclear weapons. More King George-type remarks, as with arrogant tyrants everywhere and their authority suck-ups. To be sure, the children in their realms suffer as if colonials, or slaves, or wives, or sex toys, or faux-sacrosant idolized figurines, or nascent rebels who must be whipped regularly for moral instruction in subservience. If not Iran, then Ireland, if not Ireland, then a new Iraq, or NK, or PK. What the US-UK hegemon cannot face is that the bloody challenges to their moral supremacism is just getting under way inside and outside their borders. PJ O'Rouke's fighter planes of winners won't mean shit in this murderous crusade where the enemy wears no easy to spot uniform. The Chechens are the bellweather warriors. Kids and women among them indifferent to the old guys self-serving rules of war. Kill the heads of state, defense ministers and generals first, then down the line in reverse order. That'll likely bring over the lower downs who've eaten their shit, fought their battles, hated their guts. Women and kids among them.
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-- James A. Donald: Iranian financed military movements, Hezbollah and Sadr, have been fairly well behaved - they don't target other people's children - just their own, but their willingness to cause the deaths of their own children is even more frightening than Al Quaeda's antics, though marginally less repugnant morally. People so willing to sacrifice children, are apt to be willing to use nuclear weapons. John Young More King George-type remarks, as with arrogant tyrants everywhere and their authority suck-ups. I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields, nor surrounding themselves with children as human shields. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG j07YPfmxqEtV9Aq+HTfim7giQ/OhISFU23UtnRML 4CdvNbZ/OawRkjcNRLk/qxs0QlgxWL3C8L7gIUcbA
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-- On 16 Sep 2004 at 15:54, Tyler Durden wrote: I'll grant there are some fanatics left in Iran, but Iran seems increasingly dominated by fairly sleezy clergy/judges. Like any government, theirs is deteriorating into a mere racket. And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long anywhere, only for about a generation during turbulent times. Iran is fostering war in Iraq and cooperating with Al Quaeda, which after what happened to Saddam indicates a fair degree of insanity. Iranian financed military movements, Hezbollah and Sadr, have been fairly well behaved - they don't target other people's children - just their own, but their willingness to cause the deaths of their own children is even more frightening than Al Quaeda's antics, though marginally less repugnant morally. People so willing to sacrifice children, are apt to be willing to use nuclear weapons. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG JKV/vsDeMLA+XUjdEyUC/KWjhIp7SvJjIbs1S7N/ 4obymQ+9XJMZgOwhPiK6FAtItaG0jErbco9OOpmms
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At 12:15 PM 9/19/04 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: My running, personal theory is that Muslim fundamentalism (and in general, most fundamentalisms) get going when the locals gain a persistent sense that they're gettin' screwed over, See Crusades, which aint over til the tall buildings fall. and that their current government ain't helping a whole lot. The Saudi royalty is the best the US can buy! It's kind of a devil's bargain to obtain a source of strength. By necessity it needs to reject a lot of the local culture, otherwise there isn't sufficient motivation to fight. In general, it's probably on many levels predictable and even reasonable. Religion (of any form that posits an afterlife) is a terrorist weapon. Faith in the man with the silly hat is a WMD. Of course, this can boil over into bizarre, fanatical behavior, but then again as Mr Young so aptly put it, fanatical is what the screw-ers normally call mass behavior they don't like. Winners write the history books. In the case of Nukes, I'd point out that the nuclear nations have a distinct advantage at the UN or any other bargaining table, so if I were Iranian I'd be working pretty hard to get something quasi-viable together that could be called a nuke. Of course, the few truly fanatical members of the local nuke-wannabees might get a hold of the block box and, well, that sucks. 1. The UN doesn't let Rogues (tm) into the Security Council and thus a nuke is only *de facto*, not diplomatically useful in deterring colonial regime-changing. 2. Far more likely is that a decade's worth of work, a lot of money, and a few scientists will be vaporized by an Israeli Hellfire, made in the USofA by those proud flag-flying folks at Raytheon Death, Inc. The counter to 2 is to have two or more, one mounted on a missile on a mobil platform, how do you say MX in Farsi, and keep everything really really secret. The first nuke is for demonstration purposes, which might be a waste if its a U-gun type (except in making abundantly clear how far along your RD is :-). (Remember the Hiroshima bomb was *not* tested, so sure were the scientists. Trinity was a Pu-implosion finesse job.) The interesting thing is that Iran isn't buying a few from Pakistan. Oh that's right, the U$ bought the Paki 'leadership'. Also means that Al Q isn't willing to share their stash with Iran. They probably think they have higher-priority uses for them.
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On 19 Sep 2004 at 12:15, Tyler Durden wrote: My running, personal theory is that Muslim fundamentalism (and in general, most fundamentalisms) get going when the locals gain a persistent sense that they're gettin' screwed over, But the Saudi Arabian elite, of among which Bin Laden was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, are not getting screwed over. Similarly, the Javanese are not get screwed over. In an entirely literal sense, they are doing the screwing, in that boys and girls among racial and religious minorities subject to their power tend to get raped, and the rapists and murderers go unpunished. Secondly, these guys are no more fundamentalists than the World Council of Churches, or liberation theologians, whose views strongly resemble those of the terrorists, are fundamentalists. They tend to talk about Islam overthrowing Capitalism, a proposition that would have seemed wholly bizarre to Mohammed, who talked about Islam overthrowing Christendom. A christian fundamentalist believes he bases his religion on Christ and the twelve Apostles. The terrorists do not believe they base their religion upon Mohammed and the four rightly guided Caliphs. Rather they base their religion on much later authority. Bin Laden even claims the Turkish Calphate represented proper religious authority, a view that is extremely whacky among Muslims. The views of many of the terrorists have a resemblance to those of caliph al- Hakim, holds that living theological authority is supreme, and casually rewrite the positions of dead theological authority - a position whose Christian equivalent is analogous to High Church, which is generally regarded as the opposite of fundamentalist.
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Tyler Durden wrote: And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long anywhere, only for about a generation during turbulent times. That is what King George and his redcoats said about the ragtag colonials, American as well as those who suffered the king's abuse into the 20th Centruty. James Donald wrote: Iran is fostering war in Iraq and cooperating with Al Quaeda, which after what happened to Saddam indicates a fair degree of insanity. That is what King George also said about the colonials, who then quite rationally arranged help from King George's enemies. Iranian financed military movements, Hezbollah and Sadr, have been fairly well behaved - they don't target other people's children - just their own, but their willingness to cause the deaths of their own children is even more frightening than Al Quaeda's antics, though marginally less repugnant morally. People so willing to sacrifice children, are apt to be willing to use nuclear weapons. More King George-type remarks, as with arrogant tyrants everywhere and their authority suck-ups. To be sure, the children in their realms suffer as if colonials, or slaves, or wives, or sex toys, or faux-sacrosant idolized figurines, or nascent rebels who must be whipped regularly for moral instruction in subservience. If not Iran, then Ireland, if not Ireland, then a new Iraq, or NK, or PK. What the US-UK hegemon cannot face is that the bloody challenges to their moral supremacism is just getting under way inside and outside their borders. PJ O'Rouke's fighter planes of winners won't mean shit in this murderous crusade where the enemy wears no easy to spot uniform. The Chechens are the bellweather warriors. Kids and women among them indifferent to the old guys self-serving rules of war. Kill the heads of state, defense ministers and generals first, then down the line in reverse order. That'll likely bring over the lower downs who've eaten their shit, fought their battles, hated their guts. Women and kids among them.
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James A. Donald: I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields, nor surrounding themselves with children as human shields. No, not minefields, but a good percentage of Washington's army and that of the French, were children. Young boys were taught the art of war as gofers and undercover spies among the Brits. Some were caught and executed. Others packed weapons and fought like men who welcomed their foolhardy bravery when their manly courage withered. Today, even the US uses children in war, 17 being the minimum age to enlist. Others sneak in by lying about their age, some as young as 14. Recruiters look the other way when the kids and their parents lie. Been there, done that. Enlisted in the army at 15, served months before being kicked out when a relative ratted on me. Went in again at 17. That was not uncommon then, and still is not. Good way to get away from school and fucked up parents who use you like a beast of burden -- in every age and country. The military has found that teenagers are better fighters than those over 21, more malleable, patriotic, healthy, ready to kill when told it's okay. Older guys and gals think for themselves too much to charge a machine gun. A kid thinks life will never end. That's why it's not so hard to cultivate suicide bombers. Flying a $50 million plane is a piece of cake, no guts required. Fuck those stand-off cowards in artillery, the navy and air force. Grunts younger than 20 are the universal soldier. Non-caucasians especially. No need to mention today's Africans, the pre-teens and teens Mao used effectively, the underage North Koreans in the Korean Conflict, and not least the Amerindians who taught kids from puberty to make war -- boys and girls. It is worth pondering that older guys don't like war up close, in fact the the further away it is the better they like to promote it with Stallonian filmic ferocity -- witness the current yellow-bellied administration, though hardly the first to cry for war to be fought by disposable youngsters. What older soft-gutted guys in all nations like most is the Wagnerian tragedy, the soap opera sturm and drang, of other people's suffering and death for their loose-screw agenda.
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A solid post. In this context I'd drill down a bit to the idea of fanaticism... And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long anywhere, only for about a generation during turbulent times. That is what King George and his redcoats said about the ragtag colonials, American as well as those who suffered the king's abuse into the 20th Centruty. My running, personal theory is that Muslim fundamentalism (and in general, most fundamentalisms) get going when the locals gain a persistent sense that they're gettin' screwed over, and that their current government ain't helping a whole lot. It's kind of a devil's bargain to obtain a source of strength. By necessity it needs to reject a lot of the local culture, otherwise there isn't sufficient motivation to fight. In general, it's probably on many levels predictable and even reasonable. Of course, this can boil over into bizarre, fanatical behavior, but then again as Mr Young so aptly put it, fanatical is what the screw-ers normally call mass behavior they don't like. In the case of Nukes, I'd point out that the nuclear nations have a distinct advantage at the UN or any other bargaining table, so if I were Iranian I'd be working pretty hard to get something quasi-viable together that could be called a nuke. Of course, the few truly fanatical members of the local nuke-wannabees might get a hold of the block box and, well, that sucks. -TD _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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Tyler Durden wrote: Who, the Iranians? Which ones are fanatics? I'll grant there are some fanatics left in Iran, but Iran seems increasingly dominated by fairly sleezy clergy/judges. Like any government, theirs is deteriorating into a mere racket. And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long anywhere, only for about a generation during turbulent times. Iran in particular is a special case...seems to me their cultural momentum will always outweigh any temporary fanaticism. A country that has a small but thriving prostitution industry can't be all that fanatical. Prostitution industry? Iran has rebooted its swimming-pool maintenance industry. Its just this place, you know. Apparently the best thing about is the lack of American tourists - just like Cuba ;-)
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Hey Hey Hey! I'm not the original quoter there...watch it! -TD From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:48:01 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it was not us, it was these terrorists who happen to have somehow stolen some nukes from persons unknown. We are completely opposed to terrorism, and are fully cooperating with foreign investigations. This sounds like dubya, not the ayatollahs. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF ...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them. Osama Bin Laden - - - There aught to be limits to freedom!George Bush - - - Which one scares you more? _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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Ken Brown wrote... Apparently the best thing about is the lack of American tourists - just like Cuba ;-) What! I'm deeply offended by that remark...I demand you with Aw fuckit. It's true. In fact, when I'm in a restaurant outside the US, I have witnessed that the food quality is inversely proportional to the number of Americans in the place. (Oh don't get me wrong...places catering to Americans will have great heaping PILES of food, but it'll be bland and tasteless, and the beer will suck.) -TD A Big, Fat Dynamo! -Homer Simpson From: ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:45:18 +0100 Tyler Durden wrote: Who, the Iranians? Which ones are fanatics? I'll grant there are some fanatics left in Iran, but Iran seems increasingly dominated by fairly sleezy clergy/judges. Like any government, theirs is deteriorating into a mere racket. And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long anywhere, only for about a generation during turbulent times. Iran in particular is a special case...seems to me their cultural momentum will always outweigh any temporary fanaticism. A country that has a small but thriving prostitution industry can't be all that fanatical. Prostitution industry? Iran has rebooted its swimming-pool maintenance industry. Its just this place, you know. Apparently the best thing about is the lack of American tourists - just like Cuba ;-) _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden wrung hi hands and exclaimed: Hey Hey Hey! I'm not the original quoter there...watch it! -TD To which [EMAIL PROTECTED] took not and made a closer examination of his previous posting, thus: From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:48:01 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it was not us, it was these terrorists who happen to have somehow stolen some nukes from persons unknown. We are completely opposed to terrorism, and are fully cooperating with foreign investigations. This sounds like dubya, not the ayatollahs. Aha! Screamed measl. Durden is *right*, and I have defamed him even worse than he usually defames himself! After receiving this near revelation, measl hung his head in shame, and promised to be more careful with his electron snippers in the future :-) -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF ...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them. Osama Bin Laden - - - There aught to be limits to freedom!George Bush - - - Which one scares you more?
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Ken Brown wrote... Prostitution industry? Well, Industry from what I understand is probably too strong a term. These seem to be individual females. And no, they ain't wearin' high heels and hot pants, so what we're talking about is very, very discrete, and sometimes for goods and services as opposed to pure $$$. But it's there, and people in general seem to know it's there. -TD _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
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Ken Brown wrote... Prostitution industry? Well, Industry from what I understand is probably too strong a term. These seem to be individual females. And no, they ain't wearin' high heels and hot pants, so what we're talking about is very, very discrete, and sometimes for goods and services as opposed to pure $$$. But it's there, and people in general seem to know it's there. -TD _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
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Tyler Durden wrote: Who, the Iranians? Which ones are fanatics? I'll grant there are some fanatics left in Iran, but Iran seems increasingly dominated by fairly sleezy clergy/judges. Like any government, theirs is deteriorating into a mere racket. And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long anywhere, only for about a generation during turbulent times. Iran in particular is a special case...seems to me their cultural momentum will always outweigh any temporary fanaticism. A country that has a small but thriving prostitution industry can't be all that fanatical. Prostitution industry? Iran has rebooted its swimming-pool maintenance industry. Its just this place, you know. Apparently the best thing about is the lack of American tourists - just like Cuba ;-)
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Ken Brown wrote... Apparently the best thing about is the lack of American tourists - just like Cuba ;-) What! I'm deeply offended by that remark...I demand you with Aw fuckit. It's true. In fact, when I'm in a restaurant outside the US, I have witnessed that the food quality is inversely proportional to the number of Americans in the place. (Oh don't get me wrong...places catering to Americans will have great heaping PILES of food, but it'll be bland and tasteless, and the beer will suck.) -TD A Big, Fat Dynamo! -Homer Simpson From: ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:45:18 +0100 Tyler Durden wrote: Who, the Iranians? Which ones are fanatics? I'll grant there are some fanatics left in Iran, but Iran seems increasingly dominated by fairly sleezy clergy/judges. Like any government, theirs is deteriorating into a mere racket. And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long anywhere, only for about a generation during turbulent times. Iran in particular is a special case...seems to me their cultural momentum will always outweigh any temporary fanaticism. A country that has a small but thriving prostitution industry can't be all that fanatical. Prostitution industry? Iran has rebooted its swimming-pool maintenance industry. Its just this place, you know. Apparently the best thing about is the lack of American tourists - just like Cuba ;-) _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden wrung hi hands and exclaimed: Hey Hey Hey! I'm not the original quoter there...watch it! -TD To which [EMAIL PROTECTED] took not and made a closer examination of his previous posting, thus: From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:48:01 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it was not us, it was these terrorists who happen to have somehow stolen some nukes from persons unknown. We are completely opposed to terrorism, and are fully cooperating with foreign investigations. This sounds like dubya, not the ayatollahs. Aha! Screamed measl. Durden is *right*, and I have defamed him even worse than he usually defames himself! After receiving this near revelation, measl hung his head in shame, and promised to be more careful with his electron snippers in the future :-) -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF ...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them. Osama Bin Laden - - - There aught to be limits to freedom!George Bush - - - Which one scares you more?
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Hey Hey Hey! I'm not the original quoter there...watch it! -TD From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:48:01 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it was not us, it was these terrorists who happen to have somehow stolen some nukes from persons unknown. We are completely opposed to terrorism, and are fully cooperating with foreign investigations. This sounds like dubya, not the ayatollahs. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF ...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them. Osama Bin Laden - - - There aught to be limits to freedom!George Bush - - - Which one scares you more? _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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-- On 15 Sep 2004 at 2:38, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Maybe they are playing a different game. They [Iran] couldn't use the eventually produced nukes anyway, without being showered back with the same kind They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it was not us, it was these terrorists who happen to have somehow stolen some nukes from persons unknown. We are completely opposed to terrorism, and are fully cooperating with foreign investigations. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG /Y5bZ5vcTSLqigJSE6PrHkJplrE/rkCOv5ZqjTCd 4hlcKGlAs6dJgsGrsyIqiOz5Qfdc2wMId/LdnAnXG
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Who, the Iranians? Which ones are fanatics? I'll grant there are some fanatics left in Iran, but Iran seems increasingly dominated by fairly sleezy clergy/judges. Like any government, theirs is deteriorating into a mere racket. And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long anywhere, only for about a generation during turbulent times. Iran in particular is a special case...seems to me their cultural momentum will always outweigh any temporary fanaticism. A country that has a small but thriving prostitution industry can't be all that fanatical. -TD From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:50:37 -0700 -- On 15 Sep 2004 at 2:38, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Maybe they are playing a different game. They [Iran] couldn't use the eventually produced nukes anyway, without being showered back with the same kind They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it was not us, it was these terrorists who happen to have somehow stolen some nukes from persons unknown. We are completely opposed to terrorism, and are fully cooperating with foreign investigations. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG /Y5bZ5vcTSLqigJSE6PrHkJplrE/rkCOv5ZqjTCd 4hlcKGlAs6dJgsGrsyIqiOz5Qfdc2wMId/LdnAnXG _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it was not us, it was these terrorists who happen to have somehow stolen some nukes from persons unknown. We are completely opposed to terrorism, and are fully cooperating with foreign investigations. This sounds like dubya, not the ayatollahs. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF ...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them. Osama Bin Laden - - - There aught to be limits to freedom!George Bush - - - Which one scares you more?
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-- On 15 Sep 2004 at 2:38, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Maybe they are playing a different game. They [Iran] couldn't use the eventually produced nukes anyway, without being showered back with the same kind They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it was not us, it was these terrorists who happen to have somehow stolen some nukes from persons unknown. We are completely opposed to terrorism, and are fully cooperating with foreign investigations. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG /Y5bZ5vcTSLqigJSE6PrHkJplrE/rkCOv5ZqjTCd 4hlcKGlAs6dJgsGrsyIqiOz5Qfdc2wMId/LdnAnXG
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Who, the Iranians? Which ones are fanatics? I'll grant there are some fanatics left in Iran, but Iran seems increasingly dominated by fairly sleezy clergy/judges. Like any government, theirs is deteriorating into a mere racket. And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long anywhere, only for about a generation during turbulent times. Iran in particular is a special case...seems to me their cultural momentum will always outweigh any temporary fanaticism. A country that has a small but thriving prostitution industry can't be all that fanatical. -TD From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:50:37 -0700 -- On 15 Sep 2004 at 2:38, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Maybe they are playing a different game. They [Iran] couldn't use the eventually produced nukes anyway, without being showered back with the same kind They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it was not us, it was these terrorists who happen to have somehow stolen some nukes from persons unknown. We are completely opposed to terrorism, and are fully cooperating with foreign investigations. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG /Y5bZ5vcTSLqigJSE6PrHkJplrE/rkCOv5ZqjTCd 4hlcKGlAs6dJgsGrsyIqiOz5Qfdc2wMId/LdnAnXG _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it was not us, it was these terrorists who happen to have somehow stolen some nukes from persons unknown. We are completely opposed to terrorism, and are fully cooperating with foreign investigations. This sounds like dubya, not the ayatollahs. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF ...justice is a duty towards those whom you love and those whom you do not. And people's rights will not be harmed if the opponent speaks out about them. Osama Bin Laden - - - There aught to be limits to freedom!George Bush - - - Which one scares you more?
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: How about Iran stating that they're messing with UF6, when Israel[1] is a known pre-emptive bomber of Facilities to the East? That's pretty much tickling the dragon. Maybe they are playing a different game. They couldn't use the eventually produced nukes anyway, without being showered back with the same kind - but an entire Middle East crammed full of decently pissed Arabs may be well-worth of one lousy sacrificed reactor. A PR campaign with virtually guaranteed results is cheap for that price. [1] A wholly 0wn3d subsidiary of the US. Or perhaps vice-versa. Don't be so harsh on them. Mutual ownership of controlling stocks is likely to be more accurate description.
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: How about Iran stating that they're messing with UF6, when Israel[1] is a known pre-emptive bomber of Facilities to the East? That's pretty much tickling the dragon. Maybe they are playing a different game. They couldn't use the eventually produced nukes anyway, without being showered back with the same kind - but an entire Middle East crammed full of decently pissed Arabs may be well-worth of one lousy sacrificed reactor. A PR campaign with virtually guaranteed results is cheap for that price. [1] A wholly 0wn3d subsidiary of the US. Or perhaps vice-versa. Don't be so harsh on them. Mutual ownership of controlling stocks is likely to be more accurate description.
