RE: out of the box

2002-04-08 Thread Jonathan Wienke

ummm, you've been to Sweden, but can't even spell it right?

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From: Michael Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: Re: out of the box


weird.  I was told this when I was in sweeden, as an explaination for
the basic niceness of sweedes - ie, that they recieved in school basic
emotional education which enabled them to deal with difficult people and
situations.

true/not true ?

M


On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 08:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Citerar Michael Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
  In Sweeden basic emotional education for all cuts social problems down
  to a minscule amount. 
 
 Sweden has a basic emotional education for all? How come they never told me 
 that? 
 
  - Sten (born and raised in Sweden)




Re: out of the box

2002-04-05 Thread KPJ

|weird.  I was told this when I was in sweeden, as an explaination for
|the basic niceness of sweedes - ie, that they recieved in school basic
|emotional education which enabled them to deal with difficult people and
|situations.
|
|true/not true ?

Quite amusing. X-D

If you believe in things like that, then you just might be interested
in buying the Eiffel Tower (Paris, France) which I won on poker the
other night.




Re: out of the box

2002-04-05 Thread thaning

Citerar Michael Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 weird.  I was told this when I was in sweeden, as an explaination for
 the basic niceness of sweedes - ie, that they recieved in school basic
 emotional education which enabled them to deal with difficult people and
 situations.
 
 true/not true ?

The basic niceness of Swedes? Well, that characteristic is up there with the 
basic swimming ability of a large traffic light...

Seriously, I went to Swedish school/university for 17 years, starting in 1982. 
If there ever were any emotional education classes, I never noticed. Hm. So 
*that's* why I am evil!

 - Sten




Re: out of the box

2002-04-05 Thread Major Variola (ret)

At 06:06 PM 4/4/02 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:

It was one of the lessons they taught you after
making sure that you really understood that
if you can't see the fnords, they won't eat you

To prevent emotional disturbances when they fall into them
the Swedes fill them with water and call them fjords...




Re: out of the box

2002-04-05 Thread Major Variola (ret)

At 06:06 PM 4/4/02 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:

It was one of the lessons they taught you after
making sure that you really understood that
if you can't see the fnords, they won't eat you

To prevent emotional disturbances when they fall into them
the Swedes fill them with water and call them fjords...




Re: out of the box

2002-04-04 Thread thaning

Citerar Michael Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 In Sweeden basic emotional education for all cuts social problems down
 to a minscule amount. 

Sweden has a basic emotional education for all? How come they never told me 
that? 

 - Sten (born and raised in Sweden)




Re: out of the box

2002-04-04 Thread Julian Assange

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 Citerar Michael Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
  In Sweeden basic emotional education for all cuts social problems down
  to a minscule amount. 
 
 Sweden has a basic emotional education for all? How come they never told me 
 that? 
 
  - Sten (born and raised in Sweden)

To do so would undermine its efficacy.




Re: out of the box

2002-04-04 Thread Bill Stewart

At 04:45 AM 04/05/2002 +1000, Julian Assange wrote:
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  Citerar Michael Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   In Sweeden basic emotional education for all cuts social problems down
   to a minscule amount.
 
  Sweden has a basic emotional education for all? How come they never 
 told me
  that?
 
   - Sten (born and raised in Sweden)

To do so would undermine its efficacy.

It was one of the lessons they taught you after
making sure that you really understood that
if you can't see the fnords, they won't eat you




out of the box

2002-04-03 Thread Michael Roberts

If we are talking of building cyberspace, we should talk of some of the
things that should be done with it.  Right now I think people think of
games. I think of something a little different. Sort of a game. An
everything bagel game.

Let's assume we can build a geographically distibuted server with each
nation, city or village, down to the plants in my back yard (growing),
with a jump to where they came from (an OPTIONAL layer). That would be
nodes layed on on a sphere and connected to nearest neighbors, with some
long links.  You know we can do this. It's not so hard with the right
group of people.

Each physical place has its own piece in the simulation; infinite
subdivision subject to the rules of the space above it, with provisions
for autonomous zones. In our diverse cultures, different rules apply in
different locations.  A lot of the differences we have occur when we
butt up against each other and the ways that we are. A lack of
understanding, a lack of common language hold us back.  You don't need a
language for people to play with each other.  And I don't mean running
around in corridoors, either.  That's an adolesecent trip whos time is
done.  I mean Roger Rabbit's interactive math adventure.

So, why not fix our little sickness through simulation ? It's a time
honored technique for optimising and prototyping solutions to hard
problems.  Let the Israelis and the Palestinians have a go at building
something in cyberspace first, but let the people do it. They have to
live with it. 

In cyberspace, you get to visit another country, act like an asshole,
and the locals choose what to do with you, in the nicest possible way,
or in a way they'd be too nice to do RL. A full learning experience.
It's like puppy training for humans, but without any of the unpleasant
effects that a real-life version may have. A happy, loving place.  Not a
dark unpleasant place filled with pain and pursuit.

Cyberspace here is not an escape from the real world, but a reflection
of it.  Someone in Uruguay should be able to visit virtual watts and see
how well the tomatoes are doing.  And, talk about it. Swap notes.
Complain about the weather.  Email was nice .. but .. really 

In Sweeden basic emotional education for all cuts social problems down
to a minscule amount. And we don't need words to make a programming
language with components what the whole world will be able to use to
make real behaviors, so the world can internationalise basic
applications itself..

There should be a basic science and mathematics curriculum for all,
surpassing all languages, based on the manipulation of objects and the
pure rules of mathematics we know.  To start with, all the stuff which
does not need english.

It should be safe for children to play and learn with each other from
one side of the planet to the other using secure cryptographic
identities on the code they control, using crypted communications on
which mom can snoop.  When I say crypto, I mean strong crypto. 

Instead of fucking with the government, or whoever, lets think about
using this stuff to develop deep cross-planet relationships - one of the
things that will make us whole and solve this escalating 2000 year war
problem we have going on.  I for one am sick of it.  It's a distraction
from the real business at hand, which is getting the planet healthy and
ready to participate at a galactic level.

And, after all, locking someone out is very similar to locking someone
in. You make sure you can that too.  That's a temporary autonomous zone,
for adults.  A bubble in hyperspace. It's all just compositional crypto
objects traversing a big graph.  The stuff is developed symetrically, to
account for the posibility of a con (ie, we're nice now, but get nasty
later).

There should be mollecular biology in shared space, tools for the design
and visualisation of our sick little planet, environmental applications,
layer apon layer apon layer.  Infinite drill down.

And you should be able to stand infront of the damn thing like a regular
human being. Obsoleting the keyboard is possible with some of the things
talked of here. I love my chair, but, enough.

This is something for the world. What you get out of life is what you
put in.  And yeah, its a vision.  But it can be done.


M