Re: internet radio - broadcast without incurring royalty fees
- queueing the track for download via kazaa Napster clones, kazaa, gnutella et al. rely on end-users to upload stuff. These end users simply have no bandwidth available for that. Cheapo DSL lines have hundred or few hundreds of kbit/sec unguaranteed upload capacity. No one is going to pay T1 to serve free stuff in breach of copyright laws. The net result is - and anyone can try it for themselves - that average success rate is less than 40%, the speed is miserable - most of the time it takes hour or more for 5-6 minute mp3, and then you need to be lucky so that content matches the title. This makes it impractical for situations where many look for the same content, in near real time. shoutcast/icecast systems have 40-60K simultaneous users planetwide, with 2-3K simultaneous broadcasts. Most stations have 1-5 listeners, popular ones up to a hundred or even more (I have no idea who pays bandwidth for those ... some 128 kbit/sec jazz ones are really good, and have 200-300 users). All in all, this is negligible, a don't-care at this point. The broadcast tax is a preemptive move that is supposed to influence the future. While there always will be pathological cases that will spend tens of hours online to get few mp3s for free (that is, until local telco decides that flat rate is no more viable), for most napsters are unusable. Usable serving costs money, is stationary and therefore taxable. Until all 802.11bs automesh networks get connected independently of internet. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
Re: internet radio - broadcast without incurring royalty fees
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 02:37:32AM +0100, Adam Back wrote: | Seems to me this would pass current IP laws because it is like a radio | station which broadcast the name of a song and the user is expected to | insert the CD in his player and play along to keep up with the | commentary, only automated and with open APIs for the load and play | this CD track instructions so people can hook it up to whatever is | convenient to them. Sounds like it will sound like contributory infringement and 100k in legal costs to RIAA. Happy fun court is not amused. But I am. -- It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once. -Hume
Re: internet radio - broadcast without incurring royalty fees
-- On 24 Oct 2002 at 20:32, Morlock Elloi wrote: Napster clones, kazaa, gnutella et al. rely on end-users to upload stuff. These end users simply have no bandwidth available for that. Cheapo DSL lines have hundred or few hundreds of kbit/sec unguaranteed upload capacity. No one is going to pay T1 to serve free stuff in breach of copyright laws. The net result is - and anyone can try it for themselves - that average success rate is less than 40%, the speed is miserable - most of the time it takes hour or more for 5-6 minute mp3, and then you need to be lucky so that content matches the title. I am a really big fan of Buffy. A cute chick, lots of violence and killing, and a bit of sex, what more can one ask for in a TV show? Recently due to family crisis, I missed a couple of shows. So, using usenet, I downloaded the two one hour shows that I missed. I had no problem getting them, the download ran in the background. It did not seem to take an unreasonably long time, though I did not bother to time it. I started the download, proceeded to do other things, and when I remembered to check, the download was done. So I then watched the shows. The image and sound quality was excellent, the ads had been deleted. The stories were rattling good. Loved the bit where buffy says I am the law, and picks up a great big naked sword and stalks off to apply the instant death penalty, while Xander flutters about ineffectually being deeply caring and emotional and having deep moral debates about the use of violence. I have never downloaded a tv show off the internet before. Everything just worked, no fuss, unlike some encryption programs I could mention. While there always will be pathological cases that will spend tens of hours online to get few mp3s for free (that is, until local telco decides that flat rate is no more viable), for most napsters are unusable. My experience is that the mass media are doomed. This stuff works just great for me. I have stopped downloading music until I organize the music I already have. Napster was just great, worked with no fuss. Maybe the Napster clones are not as good, but my experience with downloading TV shows suggests that piracy is working better than ever. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG w5c01d6+NpDvLdLI2X6Jg5z8F2yx1pwhncy3yMYK 4b/esfa1UycmFgStXtluIkq+6g1XHHb8MMWOMZOkk
Re: internet radio - broadcast without incurring royalty fees
t 11:21 PM 10/24/02 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: I am a really big fan of Buffy. Seek professional help. but my experience with downloading TV shows suggests that piracy is working better than ever. This wasn't piracy, it was time-shifting. You, as an American with a TV, could watch the show at X; you as an American can save it and watch it at Y, too. The videotape-timeshift-legal-decisions didn't say anything about VHS vs. BETA vs. DiVX formats. You could put it on Hollerith cards but the greens would be pissed. The fact that part of your video system is distributed in a few million homes should be irrelevent.
Re: internet radio - broadcast without incurring royalty fees
At 11:21 PM 10/24/2002 -0700, James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- On 24 Oct 2002 at 20:32, Morlock Elloi wrote: Napster clones, kazaa, gnutella et al. rely on end-users to upload stuff. These end users simply have no bandwidth available for that. Cheapo DSL lines have hundred or few hundreds of kbit/sec unguaranteed upload capacity. No one is going to pay T1 to serve free stuff in breach of copyright laws. The net result is - and anyone can try it for themselves - that average success rate is less than 40%, the speed is miserable - most of the time it takes hour or more for 5-6 minute mp3, and then you need to be lucky so that content matches the title. I am a really big fan of Buffy. A cute chick, lots of violence and killing, and a bit of sex, what more can one ask for in a TV show? Recently due to family crisis, I missed a couple of shows. So, using usenet, I downloaded the two one hour shows that I missed. I have never downloaded a tv show off the internet before. Everything just worked, no fuss, unlike some encryption programs I could mention. The RAR/PAR file format combo is a simple and effective way to publish large files on Usenet. It overcomes file segment loss problems and is relatively easy to use. If someone were to automate this, so users wouldn't need to pay attention to file details at all, it would be a big improvement. Right anyone downloading music or videos from Usnet still has to take a bit of time to learn about the file transport technology, obtain and learn to several new programs (WinRAR, SmartPAR and a specialized newsgroup reader, e.g., NewsBinPro) before they stand a good chance of getting the content they desire. Usenet could potentially solve the bandwidth problem for music broadcast. The standard retention time for Usenet content is 2 days. If stations upload songs in their upcoming playlists it would allow listeners to download them ahead of time and synchronize with the playlist time. I think ISPs and content distributors would much prefer replacing real-time, expensive, unicast streaming with cheap Usenet store-and-forward. The same service could be commercially offered for popular broadcast content (e.g., weekly news programs), which is not time critical, now streamed at high cost to both publisher and ISP. steve
Office of Hollywood Security, HollSec
On Friday, October 25, 2002, at 10:53 AM, David Howe wrote: at Friday, October 25, 2002 6:22 PM, bear [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: The implication is that they have a hard problem in their bioscience application, which they have recast as a cipher. The temptation is to break it, *tell* them you have broken it (and offer to break any messages they encrypt in it just to demonstrate) but dont' tell them how you did it. That would probably be even more fustrating for them than the problem was :) (This post applies mainly in the U.S. The U.K. may be different.) Yes, but check very carefully whether one is in violation of the anti-hacking laws (viz. DMCA). By some readings of the laws, merely trying to break a cipher is ipso fact a violation. (And by arguments that are admittedly more of a reach, not telling them how could be interpreted by some lawyers and courts as extortion.) Such is our legal system now that the Bill of Rights has been eviscerated in the name of the Office of Hollywood Security, HollSec. --Tim May They played all kinds of games, kept the House in session all night, and it was a very complicated bill. Maybe a handful of staffers actually read it, but the bill definitely was not available to members before the vote. --Rep. Ron Paul, TX, on how few Congresscritters saw the USA-PATRIOT Bill before voting overwhelmingly to impose a police state
Re: internet radio - broadcast without incurring royalty fees
-- James A. Donald: my experience with downloading TV shows suggests that piracy is working better than ever. Major Variola This wasn't piracy, it was time-shifting. When the ads were deleted, it ceased to be time shifting. In any case, the point I intended to make was that Buffy was one hundred times bigger than a typical MP3, yet the software and hardware had no problems. If the internet can handle one hour tv shows without working up a sweat, digital convergence is getting real close. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG XYP6QY+S9r3ndihIQTukA67fRiwrn6l5ZpkvrArT 4M1UwSPjw71Nqox9g8XKDugMA/eyyeDoNJSWRDhBZ
