Re: Hard assets in case we hit have a major economic depression?
...Answering my own context question. Cypherpunk, google thyself... Cheers, RAH http://groups.google.com/groups?q=http://images.ogrish.com/2003/2212003/decap3.jpghl=enlr=lang_enie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8newwindow=1selm=220220031903476073%25tcmay%40got.netrnum=1 Groups Advanced Groups Search Preferences Groups Help com is a very common word and was not included in your search. [ details ] Groups search result 1 for http://images.ogrish.com/2003/2212003/decap3.jpg Patriot Act Compliance * FastWatch provides compliance for Sec. 326 of the Patriot Act * Penley Sponsored Links Attn: Corporate Counsel * USA Patriot Act analysis available online from major US law firms * www.lawperiscope.com Search Result 1 From: Tim May ([EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Subject: Re: Hard assets in case we hit have a major economic depression? View: Complete Thread (60 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living ,misc.survivalism Date: 2003-02-22 19:09:31 PST In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Vance Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes we are. But of course, no one wants to be the messenger. How many a major corporations have to file Chapter 13? How big does the Deficit have to get? The National Debt beyond its statuatory limit (it his that limit in February), the unemployment rate in certain parts of the country, in certain industries is MUCH higher than being reported, because when someone's enemployment runs out, they are no longer counted as part of the unemployment statistics, and after a year of not working, are considered drop outs from the market. The problems are larger than they were in the 30's, it just hasn't been reported honestly to the American people. But reporting on this is considered economic treason under the Homeland Security Act, PATRIOT Act, Protection of the Reich Act, etc. Also, it's in our best interest to let this train wreck keep developing. When the collapse comes, the burnoff of 40 million useless eaters will be glorious to behold! Fuck the inner city welfare mutant thieves. Put their heads on pikes, just as in: http://images.ogrish.com/2003/2212003/decap3.jpg Fuck them dead. And gas their litters of little brown welfare eaters. --Tim May Post a follow-up to this message Google Home -Advertise with Us -Search Solutions -Services Tools -Jobs, Press, Help )2003 Google -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Man decapitated while fleeing police
http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/atlanta/0203/16suspect.html [ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 2/16/03] Man decapitated while fleeing police By LINDSAY JONES Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer *Atlanta/South Metro community page A narcotics traffic stop on the Downtown Connector turned deadly Saturday afternoon when a man climbed over the interstate railing, fell about 35 feet and was decapitated on a wrought-iron fence, Atlanta police said. Officers in a marked car stopped the man about 4:30 p.m., as he drove south on the interstate above Auburn Avenue. The man, who has not been identified, stopped his vehicle and tried to flee by climbing over the railing, Lt. Danny Agan said. Police still are investigating whether the man jumped or fell off the raised interstate. This is a new one for me in 29 years, Agan said. The decapitation shocked people who work in the neighborhood. Gary White, an income tax preparer, came out of his office when he heard the commotion. It's surreal, White said. Agan said narcotics officers had been trailing the man for much of the day. Agan did not know if the officers who tried to arrest the man would be placed on administrative leave. This is not something normally covered under the [standard operating procedure] of the department, he said. -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Ethnomathematics
At 5:41 PM -0800 on 2/24/03, Tim May wrote: Here's an image the censors are already trying to get removed: http://images.ogrish.com/2003/2212003/decap3.jpg Yuck. I can't wait to see where Tim got this one from. I expect he's trolling the universe with it, though... Cheers, RAH Who remembers a biker-dismemberment series here, from some court case or another. It's where they usually come from... -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
factual correction for: Homeland Security Act Affects Amateur High Power Rocketry
The Extreme Rocketry Article NAR Did Not Want You To Read Censored !! Submitted for publication on Dec. 8, 2002 to Extreme Rocketry magazine at their request. Censored from publication on Dec. 12, 2002 by Mark B. Bundick, President of NAR. I posted this information to my rocket club mailing list and these two interesting bits of information popped up Fehskens, Len wrote: Once more with feeling: the NAR did not censor this article. NAR counsel advised the NAR President that they thought publication of the article was inadvisable in the current litigation climate. The NAR President communicated this opinion to the publisher of Extreme Rocketry. The publisher agreed. Tha NAR has no authority whatsoever over the publisher of Extreme Rocketry. len. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, Jack and the rest of you. As a follow-up to Jack's comments, I think that it is important to realize that 3 separate issues are being addressed as if they were all the same. They are not. 1.) The modification, and/or revocation of existing laws and regulations interfering with HPR by the judicial system intervention. This is a reactive approach and is what the NAR lawsuit is all about. This course of action takes a lot of time and a lot of money. I have personal experience here. I spent 18K$ to overturn a zoning appeals board decision that granted to a neighbor a variance to build a new commercial building in a residentially zone neighborhood. This is explicitly unallowed by the town zoning by-laws. I was countersued by the neighbor on frivolous grounds (his lawyer could have been disbarred for bringing this case to court) which was also ruled in my favor. The whole thing took more than 2 years to reach a conclusion. Our lawsuit may be definitive, but objectively it will take a long time to conclude in spite of what anyone says. 2.) Lobbying the legislature to get a new law enacted. This is a proactive approach and is what John Wickman is doing. The success of lobbying depends greatly on who you know. If you don't know anyone it can be very expensive and ineffective since only numbers count to elected officials. Let's get real and face the facts: There are only several thousand adults involved in HPR out of the more than 100,000,000 potential voters. At most we're a pimple on the butt of the legislature. Collectively we have no political clout. If John has the connections, he should go for it. I don't see any conflict between NAR's lawsuit and John's lobbying. They may accomplish the same end effect but their efforts are totally different. I also don't see what Bunny's concerns were over John submission to Extreme Rocketry. It is a factual representation of what will happen under the new HSA regulations. Anyone following the new regulations already knew everything he stated. I think everyone over reacted. IMHO Bunny should not have said anything and the editor should not have asked. Don't ask, don't tell. Anyway it's over and done with, lay it to rest. 3. UPS and FEDEX's apparent refusal of rocket motor shipments. As private companies, they can pick and choose what they transport. Period. End of story. Shipping rocket motors of any kind and/or size has to be done by ground only, and always required a HAZMAT fee if you use private shippers. The USPS has always been cheaper and faster. The private carrier loss is not a big deal for the model rocket crowd, but it makes it harder for the HPR folks. You still can use common carriers for HP shipping but you will have to have a LEUP for interstate HP motor commerce. For those without a LEUP HPR is less certain. Instate I believe you will need the new Federal permit to buy and transport high power but I'm not clear on this aspect of the new regulations. There's always hybrids. In the proposed new ATF regulations there is a specific exemption for model rocket motors as currently defined, specifically motors with not more than 62.5 grams of any propellant type including APCP, BP etc. Nothing has changed here, and there are no restrictions on the sale and transport of MODEL ROCKET MOTORS. There is no exemption for reloadable motors with more than 62.5 grams of propellant in the new ATF regulations, but I'm not sure there ever was a formal written exemption for easy access reloadable motors. So right now L1 and L2 HP folks appear screwed if they don't have a LEAP. This is really the problem that NIR and John should be addressing. My two cents. Bob Krech So in summary, the NAR is doing all it can to keep model rocketry safe and available here in the states. They have serious education programs for teachers. They have self training programs for hobbyists. They are taking legal action against the BATF. You can't ask much more of an organization. Check out www.nar.org for more information. --- eric
Re: factual correction for: Homeland Security Act Affects Amateur High Power Rocketry
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 08:07 AM, Eric S. Johansson wrote: The Extreme Rocketry Article NAR Did Not Want You To Read Censored !! Submitted for publication on Dec. 8, 2002 to Extreme Rocketry magazine at their request. Censored from publication on Dec. 12, 2002 by Mark B. Bundick, President of NAR. I posted this information to my rocket club mailing list and these two interesting bits of information popped up Fehskens, Len wrote: Once more with feeling: the NAR did not censor this article. NAR counsel advised the NAR President that they thought publication of the article was inadvisable in the current litigation climate. The NAR President communicated this opinion to the publisher of Extreme Rocketry. The publisher agreed. Tha NAR has no authority whatsoever over the publisher of Extreme Rocketry. len. Censor has a range of meanings, and what the publishers and editors did in this case qualifies as a form of censorship. (Check nearly any dictionary for this range of meanings.) There is the only government can censor meaning of censor: official censors who decide what may and what may not be published. There is, at the other end of the spectrum, the self-censorship any of us may sometimes exhibit. In between, there is the censorship of a corporation not allowing an employee to publish something, or even to speak publicly. And a magazine deciding not to publish something because it might aid the Evil Ones or offend the Pentagon, etc., is certainly doing a form of censorship. Especially when they mention litigation climate in the context of Homeland Security. It would be like The Progressive opting not to publish the H-bomb plans because of the current litigation climate. Or The Baghdad Daily opting not to publish an expose of President Hussein because of the current litigation climate. It is correct in all of these cases to say a speaker or writer was censored. (Note that I am not at all disputing the right of a corporation or publisher or owner of a printing press to decide what to publish. Just using a perfectly descriptive word.) --Tim May
RE: The next time you see someone on TV in a newsroom
Tyler Durden[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Waitisn't this a Philip K Dick book? The president's actually a simulacra made to convince workers to stay below ground because of the terrible war. But the truth is there is no war, and the underground folks are really just slave labor cranking out goods for the elite few up on the surface, thinking they are serving the war effort. -TD 'The Penultimate Truth' http://www.bibliora.com/P5_1102/html/penultimate.html Peter
A Drug War Carol
Great piece exposing the fallacy of the War on Some Drugs http://www.adrugwarcarol.com/ The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. -- H.L. Mencken
Re: Ethnomathematics
At 05:41 PM 02/24/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: Seriously, this flap is old news. I remember about a dozen years ago when some feminista professor was teaching female-oriented physics. Actually, she was _advocating_ the teaching of female-oriented physics. Was she an actual physics professor, talking about her own field, or some sort of literature/philosophy/sociology/politics professor? The latter type are definitely old news, but as long as they spend their time trying to convince female physics and mathematics professors to think about new ways to structure or teach their curriculum, that's fine. It's when they start dissing physics and math as hostile to women and thereby discouraging young women from going into the field that they really cause problems (as opposed to old boring sexist white male professors discouraging women from going into the field, which was the old problem.) Actually doing a female-oriented physics or teaching curriculum is fine, if somebody can do a good job of it. After all, most of these fields consist of real mathematics, exposure to real materials and their behaviour, sets of metaphors for understanding how the math and behaviour are related, and various levels of abstraction and concrete examples to interest students. The math is the math, and the materials either will or won't cooperate, but if feminist approaches can provide a set of metaphors or abstractions that help students (or at least female-culture-oriented students) understand how the math relates to the real world, then great! And if they can find a set of examples or problems that are less male-oriented than guns, rocketships, pushing pool cues into objects of various hardness and softness, or football and if this helps female students be more interested in the problems, or gives them examples that are more familiar to them, then great! There's certainly no shortage of boring textbooks out there, and if women who understand math and physics and communications can overcome Sturgeon's Law and the textbook publishers' mafia or teacher selection committees, then more power to them, and otherwise, well, the other 90% will be more gender-balanced.
RE: Ethnomathematics
-- From: Bill Stewart[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ethnomathematics At 05:41 PM 02/24/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: Seriously, this flap is old news. I remember about a dozen years ago when some feminista professor was teaching female-oriented physics. Actually, she was _advocating_ the teaching of female-oriented physics. Was she an actual physics professor, talking about her own field, or some sort of literature/philosophy/sociology/politics professor? The latter type are definitely old news, but as long as they spend their time trying to convince female physics and mathematics professors to think about new ways to structure or teach their curriculum, that's fine. It's when they start dissing physics and math as hostile to women and thereby discouraging young women from going into the field that they really cause problems (as opposed to old boring sexist white male professors discouraging women from going into the field, which was the old problem.) Actually doing a female-oriented physics or teaching curriculum is fine, if somebody can do a good job of it. After all, most of these fields consist of real mathematics, exposure to real materials and their behaviour, sets of metaphors for understanding how the math and behaviour are related, and various levels of abstraction and concrete examples to interest students. The math is the math, and the materials either will or won't cooperate, but if feminist approaches can provide a set of metaphors or abstractions that help students (or at least female-culture-oriented students) understand how the math relates to the real world, then great! And if they can find a set of examples or problems that are less male-oriented than guns, rocketships, pushing pool cues into objects of various hardness and softness, or football and if this helps female students be more interested in the problems, or gives them examples that are more familiar to them, then great! There's certainly no shortage of boring textbooks out there, and if women who understand math and physics and communications can overcome Sturgeon's Law and the textbook publishers' mafia or teacher selection committees, then more power to them, and otherwise, well, the other 90% will be more gender-balanced. I don't know if this is what Tim was refering to, but it's of interest: http://www.physics.iastate.edu/per/docs/ref5.pdf Shows how changing the examples used in physics exams changes the responses of male and female students. Peter
Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities
On 24 Feb 2003, Tom Veil wrote: You're sounding more and more like a LEO troll. If I was a LEO, would I have called for the killing of gun-grabbing LEOs in a recent Usenet post? Oh, the irony... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why Spammers Should Be SLOWLY Tortured to Death
On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 09:09:54PM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote: It seems some spammer has decided to use my email address as his return address, and I am now getting his bounce messages. ... Am I uniquely blessed with this problem, or is this some new way for spammers to ensure they are hated even more than serial child molesters and terrorists. I think this really crosses the line into blatant illegality, and is a racheting up of spammer scumminess way beyond simply trying to evade filters with P'E'N'I'S and gratuitous HTML in the middle of suspicious words. I'll see you your email address and raise you a non-published one. I'd like to thank Earthlink for leaving SMTP VRFY on for so long after I signed up with them just to have a way to dial-in while on the road constantly (read: never, ever used the address anywhere except internally to Earthlin). I also get tons of spam to it. A few days ago, I got a bounce to it, from Yahoo, about a bunch of disabled addresses I supposedly sent mail to... Relevant link to someone else who's been more vocal about this: My Short Life As An Unintentional Porn Spammer by Mike Masnick http://www.politechbot.com/p-04445.html (though I originally saw it on slashdot, but then, people who give a damn about slashdot have already seen the /. url, while everyone else is likely sick to death of message after message being sent here with just a /. link and a title, if they haven't killfiled the most prolific sender already) -- Michael A. Gurski (opt. [firstname].)[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hail Eris! -- All Hail Discordia! O- http://www.pobox.com/~[lastname] 1024/39B5BADD PGP: 3493 A994 B159 48B7 1757 1E4E 6256 4570 1024D/1166213E GPG: 628F 37A4 62AF 1475 45DB AD81 ADC9 E606 1166 213E My opinions are mine alone, even if you should be sharing them. While the people are virtuous, they cannot be subdued: but when once they lose their virtue, they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader. --Samual Adams pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Weizmann Institute Sets Guinness Record
Eric Cordian[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Weizmann Institute has done it again. Written yet another press release, that is. I wasn't even aware Guinness had a record for the smallest biological computing device. Have the Guinness people even heard of the Weizmann people? One wonders. 30-40 years ago the Guiness book was actually useful - it listed 'records' that people might actually think were worth looking up. It's now mostly a listing of 'can you believe this' blurbs which appear in one years issue, and are never again listed. Things like 'Most tasteless joke'. These days, it's close kin to Ripley's 'Believe it or Not'. Peter Trei
