Re: Anti-globalization

2003-12-13 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote:

 Obvious solution.  Require all mandatory uglification of all
 foreign scenery -- for example video editing to insert some
 smokestacks.

Just pay them to decorate their unfairly lovely landscapes with
king-sized billboards.

*Poof!* Beauty gone, problem solved.



Re: [linux-elitists] Monday 15 Dec: first all-Open Source System-on-Chip (fwd from schoen@loyalty.org)

2003-12-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 06:59:11PM -0800, Tim May wrote:

 It's bad enough that that Eugene Leitl has made himself the new Choate,
 now you have made yourself the new Detweiler.

The comments from linux-elitists were clueful, and apropos. As I said, I don't
intend
to make it a habit, but my Mailman isn't working yet, and I don't
have time to debug the setup to resurrect cpunx-news.

-- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a
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Re: [linux-elitists] Monday 15 Dec: first all-Open Source System-on-Chip (fwd from schoen@loyalty.org)

2003-12-13 Thread J.A. Terranson
So, what we need to complete the picture is a good old-fashioned top-posted
CASCADE!!!

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:22:58 -0500
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [linux-elitists] Monday 15 Dec: first all-Open Source
 System-on-Chip (fwd from [EMAIL PROTECTED])
 
 On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Tim May wrote:
 
  On Dec 12, 2003, at 5:58 PM, J.A. Terranson wrote:
  
  On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Tim May wrote:
  
  On Dec 12, 2003, at 12:16 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
  
  - Forwarded message from Seth David Schoen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  -
  
  From: Seth David Schoen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:32:31 -0800
  To: Jason Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
  Please STOP forwarding traffic from other lists to the CP list.
  
  Why don't you just filter it Tim: the rest of are capable of making 
  our own
  reading decisions.
  
  
  
  And so why don't you just filter _my_ comments, twit?
  
  It's bad enough that that Eugene Leitl has made himself the new Choate, 
  now you have made yourself the new Detweiler.
  
  --Tim May
 
 Hey! I'm the forth person to meta-comment about the list in this thread. 
 Do I win a prize? Are we sufficiently indistiguishable from Usenet? Is
 there life on Saturn? I hear Detweiler is changing the litter for Andrew
 Loeb!
 
 (With apologies to poor Zippy,)
 
 -j
 
 
 
 

-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Father, you are a great and mighty God. Help our governments to remember the
lessons of our history and to appreciate the purpose of your son Jesus. Teach
our representatives not to be so arrogant as to speak in one way, but doing
another, for surely this not the way of truth. Help us to understand that
your will is not death but life, not the darkness of hatred but the light of
friendship in Christ. In the name of Jesus we pray. Amen.

Merle Harton, Jr.



Re: [linux-elitists] Monday 15 Dec: first all-Open Source System-on-Chip (fwd from schoen@loyalty.org)

2003-12-13 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Tim May wrote:

 And so why don't you just filter _my_ comments, twit?

I choose to read your comments Tim - as I pointed out, we can all make our
own decisions as to reading material.


 It's bad enough that that Eugene Leitl has made himself the new Choate, 
 now you have made yourself the new Detweiler.

Ad hominem is not a cloak you wear well.

 
 --Tim May


-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Father, you are a great and mighty God. Help our governments to remember the
lessons of our history and to appreciate the purpose of your son Jesus. Teach
our representatives not to be so arrogant as to speak in one way, but doing
another, for surely this not the way of truth. Help us to understand that
your will is not death but life, not the darkness of hatred but the light of
friendship in Christ. In the name of Jesus we pray. Amen.

Merle Harton, Jr.



Re: Zombie Patriots and other musings

2003-12-13 Thread John Young
It was discovered a while back, check the archives, or Tim's
FAQ, that all the remailers were compromised, with or without
the operator's complicity with TLAs. After that discovery there
was a turning of the covert control to re-direct it toward its 
implementer(s). That was soon re-turned by the TLAs back
at the turners, a cycle-countercycle that continues now.

One day you may be read by the TLAs, the next read by the
remailer operators, each looking for evidence of nefarium 
by the other so that countermeasures can be invented and
deployed.

While the remailer/coopt-remailer make-work has kept a 
couple of cut-out remailer operators busy in Bhopal
keeping the TLAs focussed on threats to the institutionalized 
suppression of anonymous speech, astute anonymity performers
are jabbering at mirrors and pontificating to pets against 
law and order elsewhere.

For a small fortune you can subscribe to a source of
absolutely secure means of communications tested by
centuries of reliability. Blind Faith.

No, not that of the Masons, and certainly not nouveau-cult
Skull and Bones, nor even Tri-Lateral Commies, what you 
have to do to get entry is to Fedex weapons grade anthrax 
to the homes (and/or lovers) of heads of government 
worldwide. You get ten HoGs, or 5,000 celebrities, certifiable 
by swissbank.com forwarded to you of their secret account 
deposits, you're in. Call yourself god's emissary.

And then a target for someone younger and smarter and
far uglier in ruthless mayhem, driven by murderous,
most often suicidal, hatred for everything holy.

Dread of easily-blameworthy TLAs is for cotton-candy 
addicts. Fear not those carrying a peashooter, instead
those armed with horrifying urges beyond belief.




Fuck Them All Dead

2003-12-13 Thread Nomen Nescio
Off All the Pigs!



Fuck em to death

2003-12-13 Thread Nomen Nescio
Death to the Oinks!



Re: Zombie Patriots and other musings

2003-12-13 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 03:40:07AM +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote:
 Anonymous wrote:
 
  Nomen pondered:
  
   Why robbing banks?  Aside from allowing the
   government to regulate them, what have they
   done to deserve being robbed
  
 Why not? Revolutionaries need money, and the financial sector has 
  always been asshole buddies with the police, politicians, and other pigs.
 
 Retarded.  Someone trying to frame Mr. Seaver by adopting his
 three-space paragraph lead-ins.

  WTF is this bizarre shit? We got narcs trolling for terrorists and more (or
the same) narcs attempting to do textual analysis to figure out who the anon
replies are from? Or pretending to do so to implicate others? 
  And what is my supposed three-space paragraph lead-ins? The concept of
textual analysis to prove ID has always amused me. A competent writer can easily
change writing styles from moment to moment. I well recall a university english
lit prof almost accusing me of plagarism when I wrote a piece mimicking Faulkner
and doing so well enough that the prof actually started looking thru his works
trying to find it. 


-- 
Harmon Seaver   
CyberShamanix
http://www.cybershamanix.com



Re: Zombie Patriots and other musings

2003-12-13 Thread Anonymous
   A question for the moment might well be how many if any of
the remailers are operated by TLAs?



Re: Zombie Patriots and other musings

2003-12-13 Thread Thoenen, Peter Mr CN Sprint
does it matter?

Anonymous wrote:

   A question for the moment might well be how many if any of
the remailers are operated by TLAs?



Re: [linux-elitists] Monday 15 Dec: first all-Open Source System-on-Chip (fwd from schoen@loyalty.org)

2003-12-13 Thread V Alex Brennen
Eugen Leitl wrote:

 The comments from linux-elitists were clueful, and apropos. As 
 I said, I don't intend
 to make it a habit, but my Mailman isn't working yet, and
 I don't have time to debug the setup to resurrect cpunx-news.

Here:

https://lists.cryptnet.net/mailman/listinfo/cpunx-news

k thx.

   - VAB
--
V. Alex Brennen   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  F A R  B E Y O N D  D R I V E N



Re: Zombie Patriots and other musings

2003-12-13 Thread John Kelsey
At 09:19 AM 12/12/03 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
..
You need to think about the lone warrior scenario that the Gang
worries about.  McVeighs and Rudolphs.
They were influenced by memes which were not immediately suppressed.
One interesting property of the lone warriors is that they can't actually 
make peace.  With large sets of them, there's not only no way to force them 
to surrender, there's no way to even surrender to them!  The demands of 
different lone warriors are different.  Because they're not under anyone's 
authority, you can't negotiate a truce that's worth anything with 
them.  You've executed the FBI and BATF agents involved in the Waco 
disaster, and so Tim McVeigh has made peace with you.  But Randolph still 
blows things up, because he wants abortion clinics and gay bars shut 
down.  And the Unabomber wanted (as far as I can tell) technology shut down.

Of course, there's a more fundamental problem with surrendering to the lone 
warriors.  Imagine that there's such a wave of pro-life terrorism that we 
finally agree to ban abortion.  You're a fanatically committed pro-choice 
activist.  What's your next move?

--John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PGP: FA48 3237 9AD5 30AC EEDD  BBC8 2A80 6948 4CAA F259


Re: The silliness of those who argue that gold is the key to untraceability

2003-12-13 Thread James A. Donald
--
On 12 Dec 2003 at 19:06, Tim May wrote:
 Your notion that a gold atom cannot be distinguished from 
 another has anything important to do with issues at the 
 crypto and traceability layers is symptomatic of this 
 delusion.

It has nothing to do with crypto, but a great deal to do with 
traceability.

 When a person deposits $10,000 and then writes a check to 
 another person, or wires money, or withdraws cash, and so and 
 so forth, do you think some record of the serial numbers was 
 the means by which this transaction was traced?

Usually the transfer of value ultimately results in an 
adjustment in the ledgers of the federal reserve -- the 
receiving bank goes up slightly, the sending bank goes down 
slightly, and the traceability follows from the fact that the 
transaction ultimately goes through the federal reserve.  The 
FRN numbers are a backup system to trace people and banks who 
try to bypass this.

A gold transfer does not go through the federal reserve.

 Your foolish faith that E-gold is some significant step
 because gold atoms look like all other gold atoms, because
 there is only one stable isotope of gold is embematic of the
 delusions which the gold bugs and offshore platform silly
 people have.

I can rather easily open a pecunix account with a hotmail
address.   Opening a swiss bank account is considerably harder. 

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 James A. Donald
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Re: Zombie Patriots and other musings

2003-12-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 06:49:15PM +0100, Anonymous wrote:
A question for the moment might well be how many if any of
 the remailers are operated by TLAs?

The community is small enough so that the fraction must be in low 10% at
worst.

What'd be interesting to know how secure the remailer software is
and whether remailer machines get more frequently compromised than
comparable machines.

Ingress/egress points into nodes are potentially subject to traffic analysis
and interception of egressing cleartext.

I'm not sure anyone is giving a damn, though.

-- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a
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ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org
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