Re: cypherpunks-digest V1 #13888

2004-07-26 Thread Tim Benham
 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:39:47 -0700
 From: Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto
 proxies

 At 04:44 PM 7/24/2004, J.A. Terranson wrote:
   [1] the original phone phreaks were blind,
 
 This is a ridiculous statement, and even worse, leaks information about
 your nym: [young enough to have not been there].
 You are thinking of Joe Whistler Joe Egressia (sp?), and the kid form
 New York whose names escape me at the moment.  These two do not even com
 close to the original phone phreaks were blind.  More like at least two
 of the original batch of phreaks were blind.

 Cap'n Crunch may have bad teeth, but his eyes were fine the last time I saw
 him.

Who stole the Cap'n's mind? was it the Fedz?? 

:?)

TimB



Re: Email tapping by ISPs, forwarder addresses, and crypto proxies

2004-07-26 Thread Bill Stewart
At 04:44 PM 7/24/2004, J.A. Terranson wrote:
 [1] the original phone phreaks were blind,
This is a ridiculous statement, and even worse, leaks information about
your nym: [young enough to have not been there].
You are thinking of Joe Whistler Joe Egressia (sp?), and the kid form
New York whose names escape me at the moment.  These two do not even com
close to the original phone phreaks were blind.  More like at least two
of the original batch of phreaks were blind.
Cap'n Crunch may have bad teeth, but his eyes were fine the last time I saw 
him.




Re: Terror in the Skies, Again?

2004-07-26 Thread Jim Dixon
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, ken wrote:

  Sounds to me like Al-Qaeda is just getting the most mileage they can out
  of their little PR Event a couple of years ago. They don't even need to
  blow up anything to get the most bang for their buck.
 
  Hell, in this story the biggest threat was the incompetence of the airline.

 Assuming its true (*) the one security breach is the action of the
   cabin crew member who tried to reassure this woman by going on
 about air marshalls.   That security breach should certainly get
 them sacked, and probably interrogated by the men in cheap suits.

 Or does she assume that apparently nervous middle-aged
 middle-class white women can't be bombers?


 (*)  (which it might be, US print journalistic standards are
 higher than our British ones - if I read this in a UK paper like
 the Dally Mail or the Sun I'd assume it was some rambling racist
 fantasy put ion as political propaganda - on the other hand our
 broadcast journalism is mostly better than yours, so there)

The article was reprinted in the News Review section of yesterday's
Sunday Times (which Americans seem to prefer calling the London
Times).

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Re: Mexico Atty. General gets microchipped (fwd)

2004-07-26 Thread Justin
On 2004-07-25T13:44:39-0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 10:20:44PM -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
  No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens,
  nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under
  God. -GW Bush
 
 Do you have a good cite for that? One source attributes it to George
 Bush I, not Bush II.

I've seen it more than once identified as a quote by Bush I (GHWB, #41).

http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.htm

The quote was (allegedly) reported by Robert I. Sherman of the American
Atheist News Journal, at an informal outdoor news conference at O'Hare
on August 27, 1987.

-- 
When in our age we hear these words: It will be judged by the result--then we
know at once with whom we have the honor of speaking.  Those who talk this way
are a numerous type whom I shall designate under the common name of assistant
professors.  -- Kierkegaard, Fear and Trembling (Wong tr.), III, 112



Re: Terror in the Skies, Again?

2004-07-26 Thread ken
Tyler Durden wrote:
Sounds to me like Al-Qaeda is just getting the most mileage they can out 
of their little PR Event a couple of years ago. They don't even need to 
blow up anything to get the most bang for their buck.

Hell, in this story the biggest threat was the incompetence of the airline.
Assuming its true (*) the one security breach is the action of the 
 cabin crew member who tried to reassure this woman by going on 
about air marshalls.   That security breach should certainly get 
them sacked, and probably interrogated by the men in cheap suits.

Or does she assume that apparently nervous middle-aged 
middle-class white women can't be bombers?


(*)  (which it might be, US print journalistic standards are 
higher than our British ones - if I read this in a UK paper like 
the Dally Mail or the Sun I'd assume it was some rambling racist 
fantasy put ion as political propaganda - on the other hand our 
broadcast journalism is mostly better than yours, so there)



Re: Terror in the Skies, Again?

2004-07-26 Thread Bill Stewart
At 03:52 AM 7/26/2004, ken wrote:
Assuming its true (*) the one security breach is the action of the  cabin 
crew member who tried to reassure this woman by going on about air 
marshalls.   That security breach should certainly get them sacked, and 
probably interrogated by the men in cheap suits.
Or does she assume that apparently nervous middle-aged middle-class white 
women can't be bombers?
The flight attendant didn't identify which six people were air marshals,
and since the normal number of them ranges from zero to two per flight,
she was almost certainly just lying to calm down the troublesome passenger
(who definitely had no class, middle or otherwise.)
One of the entertaining followup items from this event was that,
yes, the group of ~14 Syrian musicians were really just musicians on tour,
but in fact their visas had expired about 3 weeks earlier,
though the TSA thugs who interrogated them after they arrived
didn't notice it.
I was surprised they were musicians - I'd expected them to have
been a soccer team, and I've been on enough airplanes with
sports teams on them that their behavior sounds totally typical.
And Middle Easterners flying out of Detroit?  What a surprise!
(Detroit's one of the main places that Arab immigrants move.)
Anne Jacobsen, prejudiced white columnist, wrote
 What I experienced during that flight has caused me to question
 whether the United States of America
 can realistically uphold the civil liberties of every individual,
 even non-citizens, and protect its citizens from terrorist threats.
And she's obviously in favor of protection, whether or not it takes a
police state to do it.