Re: Quartering soldiers
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, bgt wrote: On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 12:48, Tim May wrote: On Jan 13, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Steve Schear wrote: At 11:23 PM 1/12/2004, Tim May wrote: But if I own a computer and I rent out accounts to others and the FBI comes to me and says We are putting a Carnivore computer in your place, how else can this be interpreted _except_ as a violation of the Third? The pure form of the Third (in this abstract sense) is when government knocks on one's door and says Here is something you must put inside your house. For this to make sense, we have to interpret Soldier to mean not just agents of the armed forces (military), it has to mean law-enforcement as well. Indeed. I've never heard of the third interpreted this way. Doesn't mean much, just never heard it. Anyone have a reference?
Re: Quantum Loop Gravity Be For Whitey
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, bgt wrote: On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 00:20, bgt wrote: On Tue, 2004-01-13 at 10:48, cubic-dog wrote: in force, because, we finally get slave, indentured servants who will either take the 90 cents and hour or be deported. This kind of rhetoric is extremely irritating. If they can be deported, they are neither slaves or indentured servants. ... Anyway... be productive or be deported does not constitute I don't think I said that, you put it in quotes, implying I did. It's an okay paraphrase though, so we'll take it like that. More like I said, without regard to what you DEALT for, the is no impetus on the man to pay what was agreed to. If you don't like it, you will be deported. This does a nice job of creating a new, even lower class. It substantially lowers the bar for wage negotiation. The US Department of Labor has already published guides for business outlining how to avoid paying overtime. http://www.thetip.org/art_689_icle.html This new work of the Bush, just really helps cap the issue. The ditch diggers in question, were -as a group- being paid (I asked) $500 to put in that run of conduit. As there were six of them, and it took a couple of days, well, do the math. Much cheaper than renting a ditchwitch and operator. They had done this before, and would do it again. Some runs go better than others, and I'll be some days they might actually make as much as a 7/11 clerk. But not many. What happens when the man arbitrarily decides to stiff them from their payment? Will the labor department come to mitigate? Or will immigration come to deport? What's more likely under the proposed guest worker rule? slavery, and neither does the fact that someone is willing to work for substantially less than you. In fact, it is only Free people who can sell their product (including their own labor) for whatever they want (and, obviously, that someone will pay). Who can sell their labour for whatever they want? I am only aware of folks who can sell their labour for what the market will bear. As long as they only want the status quo, well, then that's fine. When the market will only bear 90p, Well, making the note on the townhouse is gonna be kinda tricky, ain't it? --bgt
Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Jim Dixon wrote: The cost for politicians mandating such a policy would be equally high: they would be out of office and facing criminal charges themselves. No, I think they would be dead. At first opportunity. Or at least, I like to think so.
Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Michael Kalus wrote: I'll have a look at it. But I guess you also tell me that anything Michael Moore said in Bowling for Columbine is wrong too? Not wrong exactly, just completely biased, wrong headed, snuffling at the ass of anti-gun Hollywood so it would be hailed in the film world as a great work. Moore says guns are bad. So fucking what. What could Moore say that would be a suprise? The film is a blow-job for the anti-gun crowd. Nothing more. Moore makes me laugh, because he does have his moments. I really enjoyed Rodger and me. He got a little mean sometimes, but so what? But BfC was a worthless piece of garbage all in all. I'm not a big fan of The Omega Man either. But that crap Moore pulled at Hestons house was inexcuseble. He should have had the shit beat out of him for that.
Re: (No Subject)
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 12:47:27AM +0100, edo wrote: With the USA becoming the world's most totalitarian state in disguise... That's a pretty silly thing to say. Sure you don't want to educate yourself on those other states in the world? It's not silly at all: look again. He said becoming. Agreed. I recall watching the events unfold in Tienamin Square all those years ago on TV, and I thought to myself at the time, within 20 years, China will be the last free place on earth. Clocks ticking, and for once, I might have actually been right. Now that the US has no other to compare it self to, it is free to lock it all down with the best totalitarian system in history. There are TRENDS, you see, and the TREND is toward total government domination of all aspects of life. This is the trend, and there is not only no signs of any reversal in the trend, it's building momentum like crazy, down-hill train on greased rails.
Re: Decline of the Cypherpunks list...Part 19
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, James A. Donald wrote: SNIP In austin powers, they make the spy sound sixties by depicting him as expecting the victory of the Soviet Union, and perhaps rather favoring that outcome. If they had him quote Ayn Rand, he would not have sounded sixties. When the mass media want to cash in on nostalgia for the sixties and early seventies, it is the young commies they remember. That's because the sixties commies sold out as quickly as they could when they were no longer threatened with compulsory military service. The sixties commies are the worst of the how much is enough crowd out there whipping slave kids harder to make more nikes and gap clothing. The folks doing the heinlen/randian ranting haven't sold out yet.
Re: e voting
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003, Major Variola (ret.) wrote: Secretary of State Kevin Shelley is expected to announce today that as of 2006, all electronic voting machines in California must be able to produce a paper printout that voters can check to make sure their votes are properly recorded. Great! Now when I sell my vote, I can produce this reciept for payment! What a perfect system! Umm, weren't voter receipts outlawed some time back because of this exact issue?
Re: Panther's FileVault can damage data
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, petard wrote: On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 08:55:08AM -0800, Tim May wrote: It's astounding to me that that Apple failed to do basic QC on its major new release. The problem with the Firewire 800 drives using the Oxford 922 chips is inexcusable. Did Apple never bother to run the new version of OS X with drives made by vendors other than Apple? (I'm assuming here the Firewire 800 problem is not present in Apple drives, about which I am not 100% convinced.) Which Apple drives? Is there such a thing as an Apple firewire drive, and if so does it use the Oxford 922 bridge chipset? This is the closest product I am aware of: http://www.apple.com/ipod/ It's firewire 400 and most assuredly does not use a 922 chip. If software companies were responsible for bugs in hardware that they do not manufacture, MS would be in much more trouble than it is already. petard
Re: Needed a WiFi FidoNet
Steve Schear wrote: It would seems that the means may soon be at hand for using WiFi, or WiFi-like, equipment to create ad hoc, meshed, non-commercial networks. The means are at hand, have been at hand for quite a few years in the form of packet radio, and now of course, as you say, wi-fi. Folks an I used to pipedream about a xtra-net or hyper-net that was completely non-commercial, completely censor-free shadow internet running on top of the internet. The idea being to tunnel IPv6 over IPv4 over packet radio and the occasional real internet where wireless networks can't span. Running a distributed hack of named and a shared trust base of nic records. This would use the unallocated IP space. In order to host a node you had to relay for all all nodes. In order to participate, you had to actually be familiar with and utilise netiquette. Not a big deal, Linux and FreeBSD make it all completely possible. But like many utopian visions, not too likely.
Re: Something conspicuously missing from the media survival lists
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, jet wrote: At 16:18 -0500 2003/02/12, cubic-dog wrote: The NRA is openly hostile towards the embarrasing 2nd Amendment. The NRA is mostly all about allowing the weathly wingshooters to be the last to fall. The rest of us, like the armed citizens, get bartered off everytime gun control bill comes to a vote. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be any RKBA organization without some sort of right-wing, religious, or loonie ties. How true. Aaron Zelmans JPFO is pretty loonie, but at least he is actually going after issues. It's pretty whacked out, but have a peek at http://www.jpfo.org
Re: Something conspicuously missing from the media survival lists
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Mike Rosing wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Tim May wrote: And so on. He talks the talk, but he and his buddies in HomeSec are establishing a national police force, states rights be damned. He's proof that you can fool just about everyone simultaneously - the NRA supports him inspite of his lack of of commitment to the 2nd. The NRA is openly hostile towards the embarrasing 2nd Amendment. The NRA is mostly all about allowing the weathly wingshooters to be the last to fall. The rest of us, like the armed citizens, get bartered off everytime gun control bill comes to a vote.
Re: Something conspicuously missing from the media survival lists
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Bill Frantz wrote: At 10:44 AM -0800 2/11/03, Tim May wrote: But in postmodern America mentioning guns is simply NOT DONE. Not even on the Fox Network, a more rightward network than the others. (Being right no longer means mentioning guns, as Ashcroft and Cheney and the like would prefer that guns be in the hands of der polizei. There's a reason Hitler confiscated guns held privately by Germans.) I thought Ashcroft was on record as stating that the second amendment confered an individual right to own arms. Are his actions are not in accord with his words? His words are pretty much without meaning. All gun laws are unconstitutional and should be repealed immediately, and all those who have fallen victim to the legal system as a result of the enforcement of these laws should be granted restitution. It is possible that there could be a gun law that would be constitutional, but no such laws currently exist.
RE: The Statism Meme
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Blanc wrote: A sad, disturbing prospect to contemplate. Someone on another list remarked that it might become necessary for those in Europe to do some internet-type rescuing of the American people. H. snip Don't count on EU, we're just as fucked, albeit with a slight delay. Whilst watching the horrors of Tiananmen Square all those years ago, I pontificated at the time that in 20 years, China will be the last free place on earth. That was just a knee-jerk know nothing remark, however, with 6 more years to go, I just wonder.
Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Steve Mynott wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote: The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke nearly anyone. Noone has mentioned sleep deprivation which is supposed to be extremely effective, although with the potential for permanent psychological and physical harm if continued for days. I read an article in Pop Sci (of all places) back in the 60s to the effect of sleep deprivation as being completely effective. *IF* you had the time. Brutality and drugs can break a person in a matter of hours to days at the outside. SD can take weeks, or longer. Though the report thought that results gained by SD were more reliable.
Re: Another restriction on technology - cell and cordless scanning now a felony
How is this legal? How is it legal to outlaw reception of radio transmissions under the FCC act of 1934? I have never understood this. I keep expecting at some point, someone will somehow come up with a good reason to take a monitoring claim to the US supreme court and get all these laws tossed aside. But I guess I am expecting too much. For all of it's faults, the fcc act of '34 established in law that the air waves are public property, that broadcasters operate under license and don't own jack shit, and that broadcasters must act in the public interest, convenience, and necessity. Even during war time in the 40's it was established that anyone could monitor as the air waves are public property. However, it was further established that one could not act upon reception of certain broadcasts with malicious intent and blah blah blah. How in the hell have all these anti-monitoring laws gotten passed? Do any of our lawmakers have any clue how the law works at all? This is sickening. *WE THE PEOPLE* own the airwaves. PERIOD. Sony doesn't own them, Verizon doesn't own them, for heavens sake, CNN certainly doesn't own them, and as far as sat tv goes, neither does the Playboy channel. WE own them.
Re: Why we must stay silent no longer
The overall message isn't all that bad, but the body of the document is so replete with errors, misrepresentations and misconveyance as to be unreadable. I almost gave up on it at the line, More than 75 per cent of Americans would boycott stores selling goods produced in sweatshops. This isn't even remotely based in reality. Who ever came up with this number, assuming it was sincere, is seriously deluded. There are plenty of other inaccuracies that would have better been left unstated. On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Anonymous wrote: The death of democracy is at hand. http://www.zmag.org/meastwatch/hertz.htm
