Re: (Being able to) sell votes

2002-11-18 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote:

 Ross Perot demonstrated that you can buy your way into an election
 now.  Maybe we should just admit that that's the case.  Could it be
 worse than the unofficially sold elections and gerrymandered districts
 we have now?

I think it's pretty well demonstrated the person with the most money wins.
It would be a good way to build more respect for the dead, that's all :-)
Wouldn't change the outcome of any election, but it might improve the
living standards of those who least vote.  At least for a day or so...

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike




Re: (Being able to) sell votes

2002-11-18 Thread Adam Shostack
On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 07:02:40AM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote:
| On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
| 
|  Me, I don't like the idea of people actualy selling votes, but I think I
|  like the idea of people BEING ABLE to sell their votes.
| 
| But then votes are property, and property can be transfered, so
| you could sell your vote from your will, and dead voters could
| be very powerful :-)  If I were Bill Gates, I'd like the idea too.

Ross Perot demonstrated that you can buy your way into an election
now.  Maybe we should just admit that that's the case.  Could it be
worse than the unofficially sold elections and gerrymandered districts
we have now?

Adam

-- 
It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once.
   -Hume




Re: (Being able to) sell votes

2002-11-18 Thread Mike Rosing
On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:

 Me, I don't like the idea of people actualy selling votes, but I think I
 like the idea of people BEING ABLE to sell their votes.

But then votes are property, and property can be transfered, so
you could sell your vote from your will, and dead voters could
be very powerful :-)  If I were Bill Gates, I'd like the idea too.

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike




(Being able to) sell votes

2002-11-18 Thread Tyler Durden
Who, for instance, sees nothing at all wrong with selling votes. Where I 
come from, it's called equity. :-).

Yes, one could argue that the vast majority of the public have their votes 
bought and sold all the time, but they are unaware of it and don't reap the 
benefits. Wait scratch that...they ARE aware of it and don't give a crap 
precisely because they don't reap the benefits!

Me, I don't like the idea of people actualy selling votes, but I think I 
like the idea of people BEING ABLE to sell their votes.




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To: Stuart Schechter [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:58:37 -0500

At 9:24 AM -0500 on 11/16/02, Stuart Schechter wrote:


I don't think you'll find our paper to be overly technical - at least 
not
 from a computer science or cryptographic perspective.  We wrote this 
paper
 because we believe that determining the level of security necessary to 
deter
 an adversary is a problem of more general interest.

Certainly if it's *financially* calculable.

;-).

Cheers,
RAH
Who, for instance, sees nothing at all wrong with selling votes. Where I
come from, it's called equity. :-).
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